Dread_Viking wrote: »wow a Na Player saying what the Eu players have been saying for ages
IcyDeadPeople wrote: »How does this work currently?
On Mondays...
7:55A EDT/4:55A PDT: Bidding Closes
8A EDT/5A PDT: Bids Process
As soon as the bids process, you know the result and you know if a kiosk is "open"
5-10 Minutes later: Any guild with 50+ members and 100 gold can directly "hire" an open trader for the week (regardless whether or not store has anything for sale)
This all happens whether the server is up or not. "open" kiosks remain open until someone hires. They are generally all gone within 15 minutes.
With maintenance now happening at 4A EDT Mondays, here's how it works for Trade Guild Officers dealing with bid-spying:
Get up at 3:45AM EDT or stay up til almost 1AM if you're west coast. Tougher choice if you're in a time zone in between.
Put final bids in to try to fend off bid-spyers, though this doesn't work so well because the servers go down whenever they go down. 4AM, 4:05 or later.
Get up again at 7:45AM EDT to see if the servers are back up.
Yes? Log in, top off the bid again, then see if you won. Go look for a kiosk if you didn't.
No? Go back to bed, or to work, see how things turned out whenever you're able to log back in.
Got the day off? Sit in front of your computer waiting for patch to download, hope it's fast, or those with quicker download speeds will snap up any open kiosks long before you get online.
Moving kiosk bid deadlines to primetime Sunday night would eradicate all issues but bid-spying.
While another alternative would be optimal, simply concealing bank balance based on permissions would eradicate bid spying.
Two simple steps, the exploiters can't exploit and guild management can actually sleep Sunday night.
I doubt ZOS thinks about it long enough to support or not support the bid spies. I don't think the "they're doing it on purpose as a gold sink" conspiracy theory has much evidence either. There are already plenty of gold sinks already (cough... motifs ... cough). But yes, whether intentionally or not, the bottom line is that they don't care enough to stop the cheating.I believe we can draw an important conclusion here: ZOS supports cheaters.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Just got an update: We're still working on the outstanding issue that has resulted in an extended maintenance window for the EU and NA PC/Mac servers. At this time, the maintenance window has been extended to 4PM EDT. If that gets pushed out further, we'll let you know.
Tuesday 4am (CET). I just found out.When does trader flip happen on the EU servers?
zerosingularity wrote: »In all honesty, it is kinda embarrassing that there has been no dev post on this serious issue. I highly suggest any GMs who can make it to PAX West this year to go and be aggressive with getting answers. They can't keep silent as easily when they are surrounded with sleepy and frustrated people.
...Bring Coffee, so you can stay awake long enough to write down info.
Also, a big shout out to our trade GMs who put up with this crap each week. Without you the game economy would be non-existent.
sylviermoone wrote: »zerosingularity wrote: »In all honesty, it is kinda embarrassing that there has been no dev post on this serious issue. I highly suggest any GMs who can make it to PAX West this year to go and be aggressive with getting answers. They can't keep silent as easily when they are surrounded with sleepy and frustrated people.
...Bring Coffee, so you can stay awake long enough to write down info.
Also, a big shout out to our trade GMs who put up with this crap each week. Without you the game economy would be non-existent.
I live in Seattle, so I am going to be at PAX, at least for one day (not sure which yet...).
I would LOVE to meet up with any GM's that happen to be in town.
sylviermoone wrote: »zerosingularity wrote: »In all honesty, it is kinda embarrassing that there has been no dev post on this serious issue. I highly suggest any GMs who can make it to PAX West this year to go and be aggressive with getting answers. They can't keep silent as easily when they are surrounded with sleepy and frustrated people.
...Bring Coffee, so you can stay awake long enough to write down info.
Also, a big shout out to our trade GMs who put up with this crap each week. Without you the game economy would be non-existent.
I live in Seattle, so I am going to be at PAX, at least for one day (not sure which yet...).
I would LOVE to meet up with any GM's that happen to be in town.
What's your guest room situation?
sylviermoone wrote: »sylviermoone wrote: »zerosingularity wrote: »In all honesty, it is kinda embarrassing that there has been no dev post on this serious issue. I highly suggest any GMs who can make it to PAX West this year to go and be aggressive with getting answers. They can't keep silent as easily when they are surrounded with sleepy and frustrated people.
...Bring Coffee, so you can stay awake long enough to write down info.
Also, a big shout out to our trade GMs who put up with this crap each week. Without you the game economy would be non-existent.
I live in Seattle, so I am going to be at PAX, at least for one day (not sure which yet...).
I would LOVE to meet up with any GM's that happen to be in town.
What's your guest room situation?
Lol. I have one couch.
ZOS: "The insects fight back! "JHartEllis wrote: »The current system is absolutely CRUEL and PITILESS towards trading guild leaders and their members.
Perhaps not. But still, they are leaders. It's normal for them to feel the weight of responsibility that comes with that mantle. They have people depending on them, even if it is just a game.phaseadept wrote: »This game really isn't that important. . . One should never call in sick to work. If one loses their job, how does one pay for Internet?
phaseadept wrote: »"Guild leaders break down in tears. They call in sick to work. It's brutal."
This game really isn't that important. . . One should never call in sick to work. If one loses their job, how does one pay for Internet?
silvereyes wrote: »
I've had that same thought, but I refuse to get my hopes up. More likely, there's no canned answer for the forum mods to use, no team leads have ownership of the issue, and the high-ups are all on publicity tour right now and can't be bothered.I can't help wondering whether the lack of any response on this issue may be that there are major changes to the trader system in the pipeline but they don't want to announce anything yet.
Calling off of work to play a game ... Serious signs of addiction ... Maybe quitting would be the healthier choice for some ?
To clarify, it's not that kiosks changing hands is necessarily a bad thing, if due to new guilds that are stronger taking their places. But this week, it seems like a lot of strong guilds aren't placed appropriately.silvereyes wrote: »There was a lot of kiosk churn this week on NA server.
Depends on your timezone.Wait. EU server Guild Trader flip is on Tuesdays?
silvereyes wrote: »I've had that same thought, but I refuse to get my hopes up. More likely, there's no canned answer for the forum mods to use, no team leads have ownership of the issue, and the high-ups are all on publicity tour right now and can't be bothered.I can't help wondering whether the lack of any response on this issue may be that there are major changes to the trader system in the pipeline but they don't want to announce anything yet.