[PC]Invasion of privacy add ons???

DschiPeunt · August 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

I think that the phrase I have heard ZoS use in assessing things is "working as intended"

It does not appear that ZoS' setup is intended to let group members see what other group members get.

There are a lot of bits of information that are appropriate to send to my computer when I am grouping with others - for that matter when I "travel to player" to be able interact with a friend who thought he was standing next to where I said (we were apparently out of phase) the ESO program on our respective computers probably knows a lot about "each other". Much of this information, though necessary for my to play "with" my friend/group is not intended for me to ever see it.

If the standard level of privacy/information sharing established by ZoS is being violated, which it is, then I would say that is inappropriate.

Comparisons with shopping IRL and so on aren't valid, because in the normal course of things, yes I can see into your cart, and in the normal course of things, no I can't see into your ESO loot.

Just like any cheat engine, just because it CAN be done, does not mean it's APPROPRIATE to do so.

My suggestion to you and the OP is: find out how addons in this game work. Then be amazed, how silly your posts sound to the rest of us.

xarguideb17_ESO · August 2016

Cool, gonna get me a new addon.

b92303008rwb17_ESO · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I've been noticing lately that other players seems to be able to find out what loot I get after defeating a boss without my permission. How can I block this from happening?

So why is it that bothers you so much? Privacy issue in a MMO game?

Junipus · August 2016

The add-on in question is Wykkyd Loot Manager which only allows you (afaik) to see purple gear drops or higher. There's nothing you can do to stop people from seeing what you get, but most people aren't jerks. If some decide to beg and harass for a certain piece, just put them on ignore at the end of the dungeon and be done with it.

DeadDealer · August 2016

Junipus wrote: »

The add-on in question is Wykkyd Loot Manager which only allows you (afaik) to see purple gear drops or higher. There's nothing you can do to stop people from seeing what you get, but most people aren't jerks. If some decide to beg and harass for a certain piece, just put them on ignore at the end of the dungeon and be done with it.

also LootDrop
and few other addons can do it

d8rmir · August 2016

I was expecting such a post to appear much earlier...
also LUI extended has this feature btw

FluffyMeowington · August 2016

Do these forums not have mods? What is this special needs thread...

BlackEar · August 2016

It is not a bannable offense nor should it be. That is ridiculous and you know it

Also, I sense this is a troll thread.

LoadingScreen · August 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

If you don't like it take it up with ZOS, but calling for players to be banned is a jerk move.

/sign

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

i don't understand your problem. you will get an item, your own item. if you don't wanna sell it, keep it in your pocket ;-)

maybe it could be a chance for you to make money if you don't need the item and another player is interested in, sell it!

Lore_lai · August 2016

@ebethke_ESO don't U dare spai on my loots you compy!
*scurries to a dark corner, holding her backpack protectively while frantically looking over her shoulder every 2 seconds*
***
This thread.

I'm actually happy that this addon exists. I'm so disorganized and head in the clouds, I'm pretty sure I'd 50% of the time miss that I got an item that someone wants.

Drungly · August 2016

rotaugen454 wrote: »

If you can't handle a virtual beggar, how will you handle real life? I don't care if someone sees my loot and begs.

I think someone should write a real-world add-on that allows people to say "no".

Kyoma · August 2016

This thread is soooooooooooooo funny.

clayandaudrey_ESO · August 2016

Sorry to hear your ignore feature is broken. That sucks. Hope you can get that sorted out.

code65536 · August 2016

newtinmpls wrote: »

I think that the phrase I have heard ZoS use in assessing things is "working as intended"

It does not appear that ZoS' setup is intended to let group members see what other group members get.

There are a lot of bits of information that are appropriate to send to my computer when I am grouping with others - for that matter when I "travel to player" to be able interact with a friend who thought he was standing next to where I said (we were apparently out of phase) the ESO program on our respective computers probably knows a lot about "each other". Much of this information, though necessary for my to play "with" my friend/group is not intended for me to ever see it.

If the standard level of privacy/information sharing established by ZoS is being violated, which it is, then I would say that is inappropriate.

Comparisons with shopping IRL and so on aren't valid, because in the normal course of things, yes I can see into your cart, and in the normal course of things, no I can't see into your ESO loot.

Just like any cheat engine, just because it CAN be done, does not mean it's APPROPRIATE to do so.

Oh my. You assume a lot.

ZOS's pathetically barebone UI doesn't tell you what food I have active or what mundus stone I have or how much health I have. Yet, with addons, you can see all of that information. So it "intended" that we can't find that information? If not, why does the game provide us with that data in the first place? Just because they don't choose to show that data in their barebones UI doesn't mean that they didn't intend to send us that data.

And second, no, your "privacy" is not being violated. You are grouped with this person, doing content alongside that person, and they were there for that loot drop. This information isn't being broadcast to random people who aren't even in the group with you--it's being sent to people who are with you, so the shopping cart analogy is appropriate. If you think about it from an immersion perspective, if we're both rummaging through the corpse of an enemy, shouldn't you be able to see what I'm plucking out of the body?

Remember, this has been in the game since launch, it's in their official API documentation, and addons with this capability have been around for years. If it's "not intended", one would expect that they would've done something a long, long time ago.

Divinius · August 2016

I'm sure the functionality is intended. Just as the functionality to see others' damage output used to be intended.

It's not the data that shared that's the problem, it's how players use it. We lost the ability to see others' damage output because elitist butt-heads would use the information to ridicule players. It didn't matter that the information could also be used very constructively to help a group learn to maximize their builds and play-style. ZOS had to take the info away because there's always the select few who will use the info to make other player's lives unnecessarily miserable.

The group loot info is, now, the same type of thing. Yes, the functionality has been in the game since the beginning, but before BoP items became tradeable, it didn't matter at all. Now that they are, there's going to be the occasional butt-head that's going to cause problems because of it. ZOS is going to have to disable this functionality as well, and I agree with that.

It sucks, but to avoid potentially caustic situations (thanks to the new tradable BOP item feature), we are going to have to lose this functionality -- all because of the few jerks that are going to use the info in a very negative way.

As the saying goes, This is why we can't have nice things.

manavortex · August 2016

So the problem is not the API or the add-ons, but your fellow players.
How about you just educate those kinds of people by politely refusing them? I know that's kinda far-fetched, but you can apply peer pressure to people in this game, and the mechanisms of social dynamics might actually make the world a better place.
Or just put them on igno, that works too.

DschiPeunt · August 2016

@Divinius so we have to get rid of all features, that could cause situations, in which players feel uncomfortable? Some players could also start to harass people, because they don't post what they looted. So, we have to get rid of the chat and all social features of the game. Makes sense for an MMO....
As long as there is any kind of communication between players, there is a possibility to annoy and harass people. That's not avoidable in an MMO. Grow up or play single player games.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

DschiPeunt wrote: »

@Divinius so we have to get rid of all features, that could cause situations, in which players feel uncomfortable? Some players could also start to harass people, because they don't post what they looted. So, we have to get rid of the chat and all social features of the game. Makes sense for an MMO....
As long as there is any kind of communication between players, there is a possibility to annoy and harass people. That's not avoidable in an MMO. Grow up or play single player games.

This is what is interesting to me. Taking away this feature will do what exactly?

The same person who will be rude to you about not giving then something you got, is the same person who will be rude to you when you wont tell them what you got. Because that equipment can now be traded. Removing the addon wont stop that.

I guess it is time for a single player dungeon mode. Woo for privacy.

code65536 · August 2016

Divinius wrote: »

I'm sure the functionality is intended. Just as the functionality to see others' damage output used to be intended.

It's not the data that shared that's the problem, it's how players use it. We lost the ability to see others' damage output because elitist butt-heads would use the information to ridicule players. It didn't matter that the information could also be used very constructively to help a group learn to maximize their builds and play-style. ZOS had to take the info away because there's always the select few who will use the info to make other player's lives unnecessarily miserable.

The group loot info is, now, the same type of thing. Yes, the functionality has been in the game since the beginning, but before BoP items became tradeable, it didn't matter at all. Now that they are, there's going to be the occasional butt-head that's going to cause problems because of it. ZOS is going to have to disable this functionality as well, and I agree with that.

It sucks, but to avoid potentially caustic situations (thanks to the new tradable BOP item feature), we are going to have to lose this functionality -- all because of the few jerks that are going to use the info in a very negative way.

As the saying goes, This is why we can't have nice things.

No, we "can't have nice things" precisely because of attitudes like the one you just expressed, where instead of dealing with people, you support and advocate taking the cheap solution of disabling a feature. What's next after that? Shall we disable text chat because there will be players who troll and insult? We should never be beholden to the few bad players out there--if we were to fully insulate ourselves from them, we might as well not be playing a MMO.

Bad players will always exist and will always find ways to be a nuisance. They're not the problem. The problem is with bubble-wrap sentiments like "ZOS is going to have to disable this functionality as well, and I agree with that."

Robbmrp · August 2016

When your grouped with someone what does it matter if they see what you get? It's your loot, if they ask for it and your not going to use it then offer it up. If it's a high dollar item that they are interested in, they should give you some form of compensation for it. If an item is worth 50k or less I usually give it to them for free, if they give gold in the trade that's just a tip. If the item is a couple hundred K in value, then you should negotiate a price for it with them. 25-50% of full value is completely fair for rate items.

If you are going to use it, politely let them know that you are making a build that requires it.

yodased · August 2016

Well, you could always just set yourself to offline, OP once you are in group and in the dungeon.

Then you are spoofing your status, people can't whisper you.

Think of it as a virtual tin hat.

Akrasjel · August 2016

Privacy in a Global Surveillance State

JamieAubrey · August 2016

XxX looted Jerking of Magicka

HOW DARE YOU KNOW WHAT I GOT

xRIVALENx · August 2016

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way this currently works, you have a choice:

Yes (Hand over the loot)
No (Do not hand over the loot)

Should you be harassed, ridiculed or slandered by said player over loot after saying "No" you have just recourse.

idk · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I've been noticing lately that other players seems to be able to find out what loot I get after defeating a boss without my permission. How can I block this from happening?

How is this an issue? Seriously. It's just loot.

iRogue32 · August 2016

Wow...This thread is incredibly entertaining. What's next? People should be banned for using addons that show exact health points of other players because it is an "invasion of privacy."

Jimmy · August 2016

I'm blown away people have a problem with this. How sad.

Seeing what mobs drop for loot is not a big deal at all. Come on people... wow.

ZOS_JohanaB · August 2016

This conversation has seemed to run its course as it's become a bit harsh with baiting, and flaming both of which are against the community rules. While it is understandable that everyone may not have the same opinions on every topic it is not appropriate to attack those who have different thoughts then you. Please review the Community Rules to ensure that you are following them before you decide to post something. Just a reminder to be nicer.