[PC]Invasion of privacy add ons???

raidentenshu_ESO · August 2016

I've been noticing lately that other players seems to be able to find out what loot I get after defeating a boss without my permission. How can I block this from happening?

Daemons_Bane · August 2016

Find out what mod it is, contact the one making it

redspecter23 · August 2016

I'm sure ZoS will adjust the code soon enough so that the addons that are enabling that are no longer usable, much like they did with damage sharing in the past. I was wondering when this topic would come up. Took longer than I figured.

wayfarerx · August 2016

You cannot block it, the server sends the loot drop messages to the entire group you're in. You would have to get ZOS to turn it off.

raidentenshu_ESO · August 2016

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

Divinius · August 2016

That... should not be possible. Addons are limited by what the game allows them to see.

What exactly happened that leads you to believe that other players can see what you are getting?

EDIT: So this is actually possible? That's surprising...

redspecter23 · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

Of all the things to ban people for. Are you serious? One of my combat related addons allows me to see the loot other people pick up. It's not like I installed it on purpose to do that. It was a side effect of an addon I have installed for other reasons and you're suggesting I be banned for using it? Overreact much?

wayfarerx · August 2016

Divinius wrote: »

That... should not be possible. Addons are limited by what the game allows them to see.

What exactly happened that leads you to believe that other players can see what you are getting?

It's totally possible, addons have done so for a long time. It's not a TOS violation because the addon is simply showing you data that the server is sending you.

It's like the old group damage addon, not a TOS violation but caused enough uproar on the forums that ZOS turned the messages off. That is your only recourse here.

raidentenshu_ESO · August 2016

Divinius wrote: »

That... should not be possible. Addons are limited by what the game allows them to see.

What exactly happened that leads you to believe that other players can see what you are getting?

A few weeks ago while playing a trial... I manage to get a VO ring after defeating a boss. Somehow some of the players found out that I had it, and started begging me for the ring. I just now finished the banished cells dungeon on normal, and one of the low level players found out that I got a purple loot after defeating the main boss. I did not share that information out in public.

raidentenshu_ESO · August 2016

redspecter23 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

Of all the things to ban people for. Are you serious? One of my combat related addons allows me to see the loot other people pick up. It's not like I installed it on purpose to do that. It was a side effect of an addon I have installed for other reasons and you're suggesting I be banned for using it? Overreact much?

Yeah it should be a ban offense because is none of your business what loot I get. Why does your combat add on allow you to invade my privacy? You should be contacting the owner of the add on, and force him to remove it. In fact you should be contacting ZoS and report the add on. It's invasion of privacy.

Divinius · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

That... should not be possible. Addons are limited by what the game allows them to see.

What exactly happened that leads you to believe that other players can see what you are getting?

A few weeks ago while playing a trial... I manage to get a VO ring after defeating a boss. Somehow some of the players found out that I had it, and started begging me for the ring. I just now finished the banished cells dungeon on normal, and one of the low level players found out that I got a purple loot after defeating the main boss. I did not share that information out in public.

Wow... Yeah, that's pretty awful. ZOS really should have disabled the ability for addons to see others' loot before implementing the new bound loot trading system. This is going to be a mess.

deadlock007 · August 2016

It's an add on, not sure what it is called. I always call it the "creeper add on". Now that you can trade bound equipment I can see it getting the group damage treatment soon and they will change things so it doesn't work. I had a feeling this topic would come up soon and honestly I can see this add on causing more trouble than group damage ever did. You will have people feeling entitled to your drops because reasons like "Hey I do more dps so you need to give me that Aether ring".

* I supported the group damage add on btw

wayfarerx · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

Of all the things to ban people for. Are you serious? One of my combat related addons allows me to see the loot other people pick up. It's not like I installed it on purpose to do that. It was a side effect of an addon I have installed for other reasons and you're suggesting I be banned for using it? Overreact much?

Yeah it should be a ban offense because is none of your business what loot I get. Why does your combat add on allow you to invade my privacy? You should be contacting the owner of the add on, and force him to remove it. In fact you should be contacting ZoS and report the add on. It's invasion of privacy.

Again, THE ADDON IS NOT INVADING YOUR PRIVACY, ZOS IS SENDING INFO ABOUT YOUR DROPS TO YOUR GROUP MEMBERS.

If you don't like it take it up with ZOS, but calling for players to be banned is a jerk move.

Divinius · August 2016

deadlock007 wrote: »

It's an add on, not sure what it is called. I always call it the "creeper add on". Now that you can trade bound equipment I can see it getting the group damage treatment soon and they will change things so it doesn't work. I had a feeling this topic would come up soon and honestly I can see this add on causing more trouble than group damage ever did. You will have people feeling entitled to your drops because reasons like "Hey I do more dps so you need to give me that Aether ring".

Exactly. Probably not a big deal before, since the worst that would happen is that people would be jealous of you. Now that the new trade system exists, I can see it causing a nightmare of a mess. Raid guilds forcing new people to trade good drops or get kicked from the guild, all kinds of stupid crap like that.

Hopefully ZOS kills this functionality soon.

Divinius · August 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

Of all the things to ban people for. Are you serious? One of my combat related addons allows me to see the loot other people pick up. It's not like I installed it on purpose to do that. It was a side effect of an addon I have installed for other reasons and you're suggesting I be banned for using it? Overreact much?

Yeah it should be a ban offense because is none of your business what loot I get. Why does your combat add on allow you to invade my privacy? You should be contacting the owner of the add on, and force him to remove it. In fact you should be contacting ZoS and report the add on. It's invasion of privacy.

Again, THE ADDON IS NOT INVADING YOUR PRIVACY, ZOS IS SENDING INFO ABOUT YOUR DROPS TO YOUR GROUP MEMBERS.

If you don't like it take it up with ZOS, but calling for players to be banned is a jerk move.

Yeah, there's no way it should be bannable. Players aren't doing anything wrong. They are just using functionality that's being provided by ZOS. This is 100% ZOS's responsibility to fix, not the players.

raidentenshu_ESO · August 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

Of all the things to ban people for. Are you serious? One of my combat related addons allows me to see the loot other people pick up. It's not like I installed it on purpose to do that. It was a side effect of an addon I have installed for other reasons and you're suggesting I be banned for using it? Overreact much?

Yeah it should be a ban offense because is none of your business what loot I get. Why does your combat add on allow you to invade my privacy? You should be contacting the owner of the add on, and force him to remove it. In fact you should be contacting ZoS and report the add on. It's invasion of privacy.

Again, THE ADDON IS NOT INVADING YOUR PRIVACY, ZOS IS SENDING INFO ABOUT YOUR DROPS TO YOUR GROUP MEMBERS.

If you don't like it take it up with ZOS, but calling for players to be banned is a jerk move.

If I don't release the loot that I obtained in public, then nobody should find out that I have that item in my possession in the first place. I shouldn't be getting players begging for a loot that I have to which I did not released. They should not be getting that kind of information.

And no. Zos is not releasing information about my drops to my group members. The only time it does happen is when players volunteers to link their loot after a boss fight in the chat box themselves.

davisrhayub17_ESO · August 2016

How is this a problem? It's nice to see what others get and I often say "wow way to go man" ! The fact you're even asking makes me wonder how you monitor your dps... It's the feature of a pretty popular (maybe the no. 1) combat add on.

wayfarerx · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Zos is not releasing information about my drops to my group members.

I don't know what to tell you man. What I quoted above is exactly what is happening. I have used a UI addon that does this for ages and there's no way the addon could know that information unless ZOS was sending it to me.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that drop trading has changed the dynamic of how these loot drop messages work, but it is 100% on ZOS and not the player or the addon author.

UltimaJoe777 · August 2016

davisrhayub17_ESO wrote: »

How is this a problem? It's nice to see what others get and I often say "wow way to go man" ! The fact you're even asking makes me wonder how you monitor your dps... It's the feature of a pretty popular (maybe the no. 1) combat add on.

If people are using the add-on to see what BoP drops others get then I can understand the CURRENT issue. Note I say current because it should wane eventually.

BoE has always been tradeable. Since this is the case no one really bothers anyone about it. However, BoP just became tradeable but ONLY with THAT group. Therefore, people can use this add-on to see when their groupies get a BoP and if they want it they can harass them about it.

So basically it comes down to HOW people use this add-on. IF it starts becoming a serious problem Zenimax can outlaw it but until then just report anyone abusing it for misdeeds.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

That... should not be possible. Addons are limited by what the game allows them to see.

What exactly happened that leads you to believe that other players can see what you are getting?

A few weeks ago while playing a trial... I manage to get a VO ring after defeating a boss. Somehow some of the players found out that I had it, and started begging me for the ring. I just now finished the banished cells dungeon on normal, and one of the low level players found out that I got a purple loot after defeating the main boss. I did not share that information out in public.

Oh no! Are you ok?

raidentenshu_ESO · August 2016

davisrhayub17_ESO wrote: »

How is this a problem? It's nice to see what others get and I often say "wow way to go man" ! The fact you're even asking makes me wonder how you monitor your dps... It's the feature of a pretty popular (maybe the no. 1) combat add on.

Yeah its nice to see what others get... when they volunteer to share the loot that they obtained after a boss fight. It's a jerk move to force that kind of information out from an unwilling player who likes to keep things private

timidobserver · August 2016

Looks like it is time for another cool add-on feature to be banned.

rotaugen454 · August 2016

If you can't handle a virtual beggar, how will you handle real life? I don't care if someone sees my loot and begs.

OldGamerESO · August 2016

I got the engine guardian helm the other day and the tank in the party started typing a lot of German (in caps) and then left group. I asked what that was about and someone said that the guy was farming for that and it had gone to the healer (me) and I sucked anyway and didn't deserve it. It was a pug and we had wiped maybe 12 times while the three newbs (me and the dps) learned about green poison fields and blue electricity zaps lol. I didn't really care he was mad, but it was the first time I thought about the down side to that broadcast.

Google "he stole my cloud song" on youtube if you want to great example of nerd rage in a game.

luen79rwb17_ESO · August 2016

Those addons give an unfair advantage to those using them over those who don't, especially in this patch for reasons stated above.

They should let everybody see other ppl's loot by default or make it an interface option or completly disable that feature.

Current status was not intrusive(sp?) until this patch.

Woeler · August 2016

You cannot block it and this is not a privacy invasion. What's next? Blurred characters because people see what I'm wearing?

raidentenshu_ESO · August 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

Looks like it is time for another cool add-on feature to be banned.

If it violates someones right to privacy... why not? I can't think up 1 good reason why anyone would need to have an add on that allows you to peak into other players loot gain.

yodased · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

davisrhayub17_ESO wrote: »

How is this a problem? It's nice to see what others get and I often say "wow way to go man" ! The fact you're even asking makes me wonder how you monitor your dps... It's the feature of a pretty popular (maybe the no. 1) combat add on.

Yeah its nice to see what others get... when they volunteer to share the loot that they obtained after a boss fight. It's a jerk move to force that kind of information out from an unwilling player who likes to keep things private

I don't think you understand how the loot table works and that is causing some confusion for you. No one is 'forcing' that information from you, that information is free given by the game, what everyone in the party picked up.

The main reason that items are tradeable is because they track these things, if you look at the API

http://wiki.esoui.com/API#ingame.5Czo_loot

you have the following function:

ZO_LootHistory_Keyboard:OnLootReceived(...)

Which will quite literally allow you to see, you guessed it, loot received.

This isn't a person exploiting an unknown mechanic to look inside your bags, they are just displaying information that is available to the entire team, but hidden with the stock U.I.

If you want it changed, you need to petition ZOS to change the API, not ban the players that have an addon.

If they grief you over it, report them and they will be banned.

code65536 · August 2016

Uh, this isn't a new feature.

Addons have been able to tell you what group members looted since pretty much the start of the game. Not only is it available as a standalone addon, this feature is baked into a number of popular addons. I think AUI or LUI or one of those alphabet soup replacements for FTC has it build-in, and there are many others.

This is a longstanding feature. Not a bug. Not an exploit. A feature that is publicly documented in ZOS's official API specs (but don't take my word for it--go do the Add-Ons subforum and you can find a copy of the latest official API specs linked in the stickies and see for yourself).

This is a popular feature.

And frankly, there's nothing wrong with it. Yes, the first time I got my loot "spied" on over a year ago, it felt a bit creepy. But I got over it, and it's actually a really nice feature, esp. since BoP is now instance-tradeable.

That having been said, individual behavior could vary. Everyone I've ever encountered has followed common-sense etiquette regarding this. If I get a nice item in a nice trait, people will congratulate me. If it's an item that they want, they'll ask if I plan on keeping it, and if not, if I'd be willing to trade or sell it. I've never been pressured or harassed, and addons like this have resulted in some very nice mutually-beneficial trades.

Is it possible that you can run into jerks who use information in an abusive way? Yes. But that's not the fault of loot-sharing addons--that's a fault of a particular person having zero personal skills.

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

And no. Zos is not releasing information about my drops to my group members.

That is absolutely incorrect. If you don't believe me, feel free to download Loot Log and inspect every line of code and see how such an addon works.

timidobserver · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Looks like it is time for another cool add-on feature to be banned.

If it violates someones right to privacy... why not? I can't think up 1 good reason why anyone would need to have an add on that allows you to peak into other players loot gain.

This right to MMO privacy you speak of is pretty interesting. Can you link me to this right?

wayfarerx · August 2016

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Looks like it is time for another cool add-on feature to be banned.

If it violates someones right to privacy... why not? I can't think up 1 good reason why anyone would need to have an add on that allows you to peak into other players loot gain.

I really don't see this as a privacy invasion. I mean, if you go over and rip the head off of the corpse of the Engine Guardian, do you really expect your team mates not to notice?