[PC]Invasion of privacy add ons???

rotaugen454

timidobserver wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Looks like it is time for another cool add-on feature to be banned.

If it violates someones right to privacy... why not? I can't think up 1 good reason why anyone would need to have an add on that allows you to peak into other players loot gain.

This right to MMO privacy you speak of is pretty interesting. Can you link me to this right?

I believe it is written in the U.S. International Constitution just below the part that says free speech means freedom from consequences for what you say...

timidobserver

rotaugen454 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Looks like it is time for another cool add-on feature to be banned.

If it violates someones right to privacy... why not? I can't think up 1 good reason why anyone would need to have an add on that allows you to peak into other players loot gain.

This right to MMO privacy you speak of is pretty interesting. Can you link me to this right?

I believe it is written in the U.S. International Constitution just below the part that says free speech means freedom from consequences for what you say...

So, the "U.S. International Constitution" gives you the right for people not to know what loot you get in Elder Scrolls Online? That is absolutely riveting. Have you considered suing?

Graydon

OMG! People begging me for my loot. In an MMO! How am I supposed to react to this??

I petition that ZOS shut down the servers immediately and address this issue!

Dire times indeed.

zerosingularity

One way to look at it is like this:

"Lets agree before going in to share our loot, people get what they need most. Alright!"

End of dungeon someone gets something awesome like Aether Neck or Velidreth helm in Divines, is a jerk and wants to hide it. Group knows he has it, so he can no longer hide it. Allows for some accountability rather than just trusting a random to share when they agreed to do so.


Though so far, EVERY instance I have seen of the mod in question has been people saying congrats, so just play with good people and it's not a problem.

Bouldercleave

This may be one of the funniest rants that I've seen all week.

Who gives a crap if they see what you looted or not? If they ask you for it - it's your choice to say yes or no.

If they beg and harass you about it - so what.

How in the world do you people function in real life?

Invading your privacy for seeing loot drops in a game?!? LOL

Runs

I've been wondering when this thread would pop up.

The addons that show that have been around forever but it is only now really relevant because of the ability to trade BoP items with group.

The information itself is no big deal, it's just how other people will use it. I mean it wont really be a problem till people start getting blacklisted from groups or kicked from guilds because they keep BoP items for an alt, instead of giving it to a player in the group who could use it on the character they are currently playing.

Rayya_Blackheart

I know a few people with the add-on. Those people also know that if I get something that I don't need, I will share it. This sounds like a "running with crappy people" problem more than anything.

code65536

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

davisrhayub17_ESO wrote: »

How is this a problem? It's nice to see what others get and I often say "wow way to go man" ! The fact you're even asking makes me wonder how you monitor your dps... It's the feature of a pretty popular (maybe the no. 1) combat add on.

If people are using the add-on to see what BoP drops others get then I can understand the CURRENT issue. Note I say current because it should wane eventually.

BoE has always been tradeable. Since this is the case no one really bothers anyone about it. However, BoP just became tradeable but ONLY with THAT group. Therefore, people can use this add-on to see when their groupies get a BoP and if they want it they can harass them about it.

So basically it comes down to HOW people use this add-on. IF it starts becoming a serious problem Zenimax can outlaw it but until then just report anyone abusing it for misdeeds.

The thing with tradeable BoP is that there is a time limit of 2 hours. And worse, that 2 hours gets cut down to zero the second the character holding the tradeable loot logs off (or crashes/disconnects). With BoE loot, you can forget about it and come back to arranging the trade at your leisure.

With BoP loot, you don't want to dawdle, esp. if the person is switching characters between runs. And in a 12-person trial, it can also get very hectic with everyone listing every piece of loot they got at the end.

It's because of this that addons like this are needed more than ever, now that BoP trading exists, and it's the reason I started using it.

And as I and others have said, these addons are very beneficial if people follow common-sense etiquette, and every person I've ever grouped with using an addon like this has shown that sort of etiquette.

And at the end of the day, if someone acts like a *** about it, not only are they less likely to get that item (because who wants to trade with someone who's acting like a jerk?), but they've made it less likely they'll get items in the future.

Ghost-Shot

You need to go back to single player games, care bears like you keep destroying this game, RIP GroupDamage. Banable offense lol, gtfo with that crap.

Thevampirenight

Well, others seeing what loot you get does not really matter I think its fine if they see what loot I get it does not matter to me. Some people it might matter but I don't think its a issue that they have to address there is much more they have to address then other people seeing what loot your getting.

CromulentForumID

timidobserver wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Looks like it is time for another cool add-on feature to be banned.

If it violates someones right to privacy... why not? I can't think up 1 good reason why anyone would need to have an add on that allows you to peak into other players loot gain.

This right to MMO privacy you speak of is pretty interesting. Can you link me to this right?

I believe it is written in the U.S. International Constitution just below the part that says free speech means freedom from consequences for what you say...

So, the "U.S. International Constitution" gives you the right for people not to know what loot you get in Elder Scrolls Online? That is absolutely riveting. Have you considered suing?

You may want to assign more Champion Points to Sarcasm Detection.

Nestor

Weird, no one has ever asked me about Loot I get in a Group. Not sure how I would react if someone asked me to give up my shiny or not.

Bouldercleave

WTF is a U.S International Constitution?!? This thread was funny before - now it's hysterical...

paulsimonps

How is this even a topic of conversation? How is this a problem? So someone asked if they could have your loot? BIG DEAL. Just say no and move along. Most people either say congratulations or they ask for a price. Also as others have stated playing with the right type of people makes a huge deal as well. In many end game PvE Guild people just give stuff away that they don't need that others do to help the guild gear up better so that everyone can get their builds ready. Having that addon then helps a lot in managing loot between everyone. But no you get offended cause someone asked if they could buy your stuff.

AzraelKrieg

If someone sees the loot I get, no big deal. Chances are it wasn't interesting loot anyway. I have an addon that does display loot I or my group members get in the text chat window. On one run of vet EH, three members got the helm and I congratulated the people that got it even if the helm isn't exactly that best. It does make it easier to see what BoP gear people have picked in the new dungeons, especially if your farming for a particular set. My first run of vCOS I got two WIdowmaker pieces and the tank I was running with or I was in Discord with asked if I get items from a particular set he would trade any Widowmaker pieces he gets with me to get those pieces for a build he was working on. Neither of us got the pieces though but knowing what he had and being able to check the trait ahead of time was pretty handy.

Reverb

It's not like there's an addon that lets party members steal loot from your inventory. Displaying drops really isn't a big deal. OP needs a Xanax.

hedna123b14_ESO

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I've been noticing lately that other players seems to be able to find out what loot I get after defeating a boss without my permission. How can I block this from happening?

Why do you care?

Sheezabeast

Taleof2Cities

At the risk of putting myself in the small minority that agrees with the OP, can a friendly forum-goer answer this question:

If the add-on functionality that views group member loot did not exist, how easily could group members obtain that info while still in group or in the dungeon ... without the add-on?


If all dungeon group members ran the base game without any add-ons, group members would not know what their teammates received for loot. Right?

@code65536, sure it's in ZOS's official API specs ... but ZOS isn't transferring loot information to players in the UI as part of the base game (no add-ons). In other words, I would not see this information in the UI anywhere during a dungeon run (without the add-on).

Side note: I use the add-on myself for combat. It is pretty invaluable and I would not want to see it banned. However, I don't have the loot recognition feature turned on in the settings.

SHADOW2KK

Have to say that this thread is one of the most entertaining ever.

So after reading some of this, OP, you basically want people who use varying addons that tell you or others what loot they get banned?

I cannot even believe how whiney and petty that is, frankly who cares what loot you get, most people say oh wow nice one mate, or oh damnit I been after that for ages, well done, etc.

Yet seemingly you dont have the social skills necessary to deal with this heinious (in your opinion) breach of your privacy? in regards to people asking you about won loot or, shock horror, seeing what you get?

I mean seriously?


Its a game, not real life.

And the addons generally that show loot drops, have a toggle in options, how about sorting that, instead of putting a funny yet incredibly cry much thread on forums?

GreatWhite000

Seeing what people get for loot is nice. It can make you some pretty good gold if you get something that someone really wants.

Oakmontowls_ESO

If someone is begging for an item that you got just add them to your ignore list and move on. This really isn't rocket science guys.

Mojmir

Lol

code65536

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

At the risk of putting myself in the small minority that agrees with the OP, can a friendly forum-goer answer this question:

If the add-on functionality that views group member loot did not exist, how easily could group members obtain that info while still in group or in the dungeon ... without the add-on?


If all dungeon group members ran the base game without any add-ons, group members would not know what their teammates received for loot. Right?

@code65536, sure it's in ZOS's official API specs ... but ZOS isn't transferring loot information to players in the UI as part of the base game (no add-ons). In other words, I would not see this information in the UI anywhere during a dungeon run (without the add-on).

Side note: I use the add-on myself for combat. It is pretty invaluable and I would not want to see it banned. However, I don't have the loot recognition feature turned on in the settings.

There is a lot of information that the game hides by default. For example, if addons did not exist, how easily would group members be able to tell what Mundus stone that I'm using? The answer is, it's impossible. But that's a useful feature, as I'd sometimes look at someone and say, "Hey, you're still using Atronach; did you forget to change back after PvP?" or "Hey, you don't have a Mundus stone; did you see the Patch Notes saying that they were reset?" Without addons, I can't see in the group frame how much health people have (only a percentage). Without addons, I can't see if someone has taken their food or not. Without addons, I can't see from the group frame if someone who's at low health is currently being protected by a shield or not.

The facts remain:

1. This is an officially-documented API.
2. This is information that is being sent to the player all the time. Without addons, this stream of incoming information is simply ignored. Addons just allow you to see information that has always been there this entire time.
3. This API and feature has been with the game since launch, and addons that use this feature have been around for years.
4. If there is a problem with someone using this information in a negative way, it's a problem with that person, not a problem with the information. If someone is the type to behave in a toxic manner over a piece of loot, they are likely to act in a toxic way in other matters too. You can't fix people with code.
5. Ultimately, you have the final power in all loot-related matters: If you refuse a trade, there is nothing that they can do about it, and you'll have the final laugh. If someone pressures you, just say no and let them stew in jealousy.

But most importantly, I've never ran into a problem with these sorts of addons. My first encounter with these sorts of addons was over a year ago, when people would congratulate me over items that I looted in a dungeon, whether it was BoE or BoP. And the times when people have taken an interest in something that I've looted, they've always approached it reasonably, asking if I planned to use the item. If I said that I do plan to use it, they've always backed off--I've never, ever been pressured into trading, and if I said that I have no use for it, then they would try to arrange a trade.

Frankly, I think addons like this are a good thing. The people who see your loot drops are not random, as it has always been restricted to group members--they are your teammates who worked together alongside you to clear a piece of content. It's just a stroke of random luck that one item ends up in my hands and another ends up in theirs--it's not like I was somehow more deserving of something than someone else, just because RNG picked me for that loot drop. Instance trading and this sort of information sharing is, frankly, awesome and makes group PvE more social.

Glory

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I shouldn't have to do that. Isn't that against ZoS TOS? Shouldn't ZOS be going after the players for using such add on? Should be a ban offense.

Sigh... Again a call for excessive bans.

iam117

Useless /close thread. Way more important things to deal with.

Slakk

This is such a minor thing in this game that one could find as invasive to their privacy.

I've personally seen and had no negative experiences with the ability to see others loots, but rather just positive experiences since some players forget to even check the loot they get.
Being able to congratulate someone, or today ask if they even need the loot they've obtained is a nice feature to have.

It's still your loot, even if you don't need it and somebody else does and you decide to keep it.
If someone begs you, put them on ignore. If someone harasses you, then report them.

I would frankly hope ZoS doesn't cave in yet again to the minority that had 1 bad experience which is a people issue not a game mechanics issue, then move on to the next thing that "ruins their immersion" but eh what can I do.

Bads gonna bad.

Ayantir

I guess the addon is called lootdrop. I just added this few weeks ago, but as said before, this functionnality of api exists since beta.

It was only a bit hidden. and there was before already few addons showing you this, they were only less popular.

Woeler

That stuff about the constitution made me drop 20IQ points.

Also FYI (and I know this must be really hard for you to comprehend). This game is world wide, not USA only.

Taleof2Cities

Slakk wrote: »

This is such a minor thing in this game that one could find as invasive to their privacy.

Well, the OP finds it as invasive and something that's not in the base game. Thus his initial post.


Based on the forum entries, here, most players don't find it an issue that other dungeon teammates know what loot they have (I'm not convinced either way yet).

So, where does the average player draw the line for an add-on that disrupts privacy?

If an add-on were made that gave players in your dungeon group your entire build (champ points, armor/weapons, attribute allocations) is that over the line?? What about an add-on that tells other players your crown store purchase history?

There are plenty of real world privacy issue examples that I could apply. However, that area is fraught with its own problems and we're talking about a video game.


Not looking for a ban-hammer, here. I would like to see a better discussion on the topic. Instead, most of these posts are quickly trying to dismiss the argument.