OP, what is it with you and this whole "Privacy" thing? You kind of strike me as that one kid in middle school who tried to over throw the government.

This thread is amusing. ^^

I definitely see how this will cause some players to be uncomfortable. For example: If you win an item someone else in the group wants and believes you do not need and wants you to trade... I can just imagine the invective that will follow if said player refuses.

I don't - for the record - believe this is a violation of one's privacy however (I give the OP points for a creative argument). I would still have no qualms about disabling this feature from the game. But of course if I had my way all addons would be disabled. But that is a different discussion.

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Synfaer wrote: »

I have had bad and good experiences with people using the add-on.
I open a rewards box from doing Wrothgar WB's and got a blue trinimac axe. Immediately someone in the raid grp asked politley if he could have the axe if i didn't want it. I said yes and traded it to him. No drama, a positive experience.
The other night I had a pug run of Mazzatun normal as tank and after killing one of the bosses, the sorc in the grp immediately opens a trade widow and demands I give him the Amberplasm hat I just received because he needs it and I dont. I said no and cancelled the trade and he offers me some information about what he would do with my mother and then he quit the grp.
Unfortunately we had to then abandon the dungeon as we could not get a replacement due to the grouping bugs.

I can see the advantages of using it, but there is always going to be some socially challenged individuals who will abuse it.

That's unfortunate, but if someone is that unhinged, they're likely to cause problems in other ways, too.

Keep in mind that, as the person holding the loot, you have final say. Let's say, for example, you got something that I want. It's in my interest to approach you politely, because being a jerk about it would just reduce the chance that you'll agree to the trade. And it's in my interest to respect your decision if you say no, because if I don't and throw a tantrum, not only would that not change my not getting the item, but you probably won't even consider giving me any other items in the future. So because you have the final say in the matter and because the loot is yours unless you explicitly agree to part with it, it pushes most people to behave appropriately.

This is why I think your second story is the rare exception, and, again, someone who acts that unhinged will likely be causing all sorts of other problems too.

We shouldn't throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

As for the concerns about "privacy", keep in mind that this information is restricted solely to group members. You're all doing the same content together, killing and looting the same enemies. They participated in that kill, and it's just pure luck that item A goes to you and item B goes to them instead of vice-versa. I think it's perfectly reasonable that the entire group sees what dropped for the group as a whole.

Woeler wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

MaddPowered wrote: »

OP, what is it with you and this whole "Privacy" thing? You kind of strike me as that one kid in middle school who tried to over throw the government.

Is there a problem with the concept of wanting privacy? By not getting pounded by whispers from people who wants an item that you just got when you haven't even went to your own inventory to see what you have in the first place? Can't you comprehend the concept that it's borderline creepy, and that normal people find that to be uncomfortable? Why must you have an add on that does that? What purpose does it bring to your gaming experience other than to become an internet peeping Thom looking over people and seeing what they got before they even realize what they obtain?

Do you feel that you have the right to look at what everyone has? If so you're wrong.

We use it in our raid group a lot so that we can quickly distribute loot we get among those that need it without losing a lot of time. Furthermore, people seeing what you loot is not "borderline creepy". Also don't talk about "normal people" as if this is some disastrous issue. Normal people really really really really really really don't care. Thinking that viewable loot in a video game is a privacy issue and "creepy" and makes you uncomfortable (lol) is by definition NOT normal.

This is not an issue of privacy at all, it's an "I am too afraid to talk to people that ask for my loot"-issue. But for that, us normal people have a really simple solution -> say no.

People are acting like this is "80 year old fat bearded neighbour staring through my shower window"-creepy. It's not, it's not creepy at all. The game data does not belong to you and in no way at all does this risk anyone's data, private information or anything else significant. Get over yourself.

Maybe there should be an elder scrolls game without other people so that I don't have to interact with other beings. Man wouldn't that be gre... oh wait.

lol

I will agree with you the privacy concerns regarding this issue are a little silly.

But I think you underestimate just how pissed off many players are going to become when other players refuse to trade them gear they believe should be rightfully given to them. It's going to get mean. And it's going to get nasty. And it's going to start happening all the time - especially if this addon catches on and becomes more popular. Because normal people will get upset over this.

This is of course less of an issue for people doing dungeons with their guildmates as you describe. This is more of an issue for pugs - though I imagine plenty of guild disputes will end up breaking out as a result as well.

code65536 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

MaddPowered wrote: »

OP, what is it with you and this whole "Privacy" thing? You kind of strike me as that one kid in middle school who tried to over throw the government.

Is there a problem with the concept of wanting privacy? By not getting pounded by whispers from people who wants an item that you just got when you haven't even went to your own inventory to see what you have in the first place? Can't you comprehend the concept that it's borderline creepy, and that normal people find that to be uncomfortable? Why must you have an add on that does that? What purpose does it bring to your gaming experience other than to become an internet peeping Thom looking over people and seeing what they got before they even realize what they obtain?

Do you feel that you have the right to look at what everyone has? If so you're wrong.

We use it in our raid group a lot so that we can quickly distribute loot we get among those that need it without losing a lot of time. Furthermore, people seeing what you loot is not "borderline creepy". Also don't talk about "normal people" as if this is some disastrous issue. Normal people really really really really really really don't care. Thinking that viewable loot in a video game is a privacy issue and "creepy" and makes you uncomfortable (lol) is by definition NOT normal.

This is not an issue of privacy at all, it's an "I am too afraid to talk to people that ask for my loot"-issue. But for that, us normal people have a really simple solution -> say no.

People are acting like this is "80 year old fat bearded neighbour staring through my shower window"-creepy. It's not, it's not creepy at all. The game data does not belong to you and in no way at all does this risk anyone's data, private information or anything else significant. Get over yourself.

Maybe there should be an elder scrolls game without other people so that I don't have to interact with other beings. Man wouldn't that be gre... oh wait.

lol

I will agree with you the privacy concerns regarding this issue are a little silly.

But I think you underestimate just how pissed off many players are going to become when other players refuse to trade them gear they believe should be rightfully given to them. It's going to get mean. And it's going to get nasty. And it's going to start happening all the time - especially if this addon catches on and becomes more popular. Because normal people will get upset over this.

This is of course less of an issue for people doing dungeons with their guildmates as you describe. This is more of an issue for pugs - though I imagine plenty of guild disputes will end up breaking out as a result as well.

LOL. I'm usually pretty misanthropic, but not that misanthropic. Things will be fine, the sky isn't falling, just as it hasn't fallen in the years that such addons have existed.

But even if people are as crazy as you make them out to be, it shouldn't take long for them to learn that getting upset won't change anything, except make it even less likely that they'll get trades in the future.

True, these addons may have existed for years. But this feature that allows you a window in which to trade rare dungeon loot to other players who need it when you don't is new.

I hope I'm wrong and that people will be as indulgent about this as you seem to think. But I have my doubts. People react very aggressively to perceived greed and I suspect you are going to see heated arguments become commonplace due to this - most likely followed by stalking that will persist long after the dungeon has run its course.

Or you may be right. We'll see.

But I fully expect to see all kinds of new drama in my pugs.

Geez, why the butt hurt? Its not an underwear drawer. I would draw an analogy with your shopping cart at a supermarket or your food at a restaurant. The people with you get to see what you get. It's no big deal.

I was shopping once and got the last piece of a garment on sale. A lady offered to buy it from me. I really liked it for myself and said no. Never thought about it again.

I got a Vicious Ophidian ring during a trial the other day and I wish someone had noticed it and asked me for it. Now it's bound and thrown in my bank with all the other stuff I will probably never use.

I was doing Mazzatun and got an Amberplasm shield. My healer noticed it and gave it to him. If he hadn't, I would have deconstructed it later.

This is just being a person who is a part of society. We share information about ourselves and lives with other people all the time without thinking about it.

Lithium Flower wrote: »

I would draw an analogy with your shopping cart at a supermarket or your food at a restaurant. The people with you get to see what you get. It's no big deal.

^ This

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

I've been noticing lately that other players seems to be able to find out what loot I get after defeating a boss without my permission. How can I block this from happening?

When you think about it.... how are you going to take that weapon/jewellery/helmet off that bosses corpse when im standing right there rummaging through its armor at the same time without me seeing what you are taking off him?

Dont break my immersion.

All the MMOs show the loot. This is something normal. ZOS must include this in the base UI.

We simply need an Add-on that blocks this Add-on.

If you have a problem with others in your group seeing the loot drops why not try talking to them before the run and saying something like:
'Guys, if I get a loot drop you want please don't hassle me about it - I've had some bad experiences and don't want any repeats.'

If you then get someone hassling you, remind them that you asked not to be hassled and tell them what you need the item for (eg I need it for my healer, sry). If they persist tell them that you wil put them on ignore and remind them of zos tos with regards to language and harassment.

Oh and if you're in a guild running a priority system for trials loot (normally based on number of runs done / helpfulness to guild), then you should know and have agreed to the rules... and hence abide by them or have left that guild.

And if your guild try to force you to give up loot without any prior agreements then maybe the guild isn't actuality that great.

Oh and one final note: if you get that awesome tank drop but only play a ranged dps all you can do is use the drop for some future alt or decon it. It might be far better to trade it for a drop you want or a shed load of cash.

If ZOS are consistent they should turn this off like they did with group damage. I still think that both this and group damage should be toggle-able so you can choose to share what information you want.

I got this function as an extra when I installed some loot add-on and have been using it since to force my fellow mates to give me their best lootz :P jokes aside, I think it's good to see what others get, I usually whisper the person in group who gets the drop I want if they want to part with it, if they want gold for it etc. But i totally understand that people get annoyed by it since privacy tends to be very important for people.