Malestorm Weapons should have a very small chance to drop in normal MSA!!

Shadesofkin · August 2016

Saturn wrote: »

I agree that there should be a way to get these weapons without having to beat veteran mode, as some players just can't do it on veteran. I seem to remember that in the past blue vr13 master weapons would drop from nDSA (not sure if this is still the case after the upscale).

People that want to get their hands on maelstrom weapons for a healer or a tank, but who have no characters to do it with are a real disadvantage with this kind of system.

Also, whoever thought putting the best weapons behind a singeplayer barrier was a good idea deserves a spanking. It's frustrating wanting to get these weapons and having to ignore your friends to do so. I mean it is an MMO we are talking about after all.

Hopefully with the next arena (if they make another one) it won't be a solo instance again, but rather a 2man or 4man, so you can actually do it with friends.

Don't get me wrong, I want the next Arena to be Duo, so on that point I agree.

That being said, the Maelstrom Arena is meant to test you and push you and force you to be the best. I learned it by adapting what I saw as 1vX builds and adapting them to PvE content (so remorphing specific skills dropping others and replacing them). This is what I suggest for anyone who wants to do it.

As for "some players just can't do it on veteran" don't take this the wrong way, but, if a player can't do it why should they get the reward? Normal Maelstrom is not an endgame instance, it's a peek at what you'll see in Endgame.

To make a point that should help, the weapon power/spell power enchant is strong, strong enough to make anyone without a maelstrom weapon perfectly capable of completing content otherwise. I know, because I run trials regularly (as in all week every week) with players using those enchants.

I firmly believe that most if not all players can eventually beat Veteran Maelstrom Arena, and they should just keep swimming.

Milvan · August 2016

Saturn wrote: »

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Hopefully with the next arena (if they make another one) it won't be a solo instance again, but rather a 2man or 4man, so you can actually do it with friends.

There's already one group arena. And its actually very hard on vet.

Stiltz · August 2016

No way. If you really, really want a maelstrom weapon then you'll put in the hours upon hours that it takes to get a clear, just like everybody else had to.

I've still probably got many, many clears to go before I get the weapon and trait that I want but no chance that I'll ask for or expect a shortcut. A token system is an idea I'm open to, but only if a key is given after the final boss or something along those lines.

code65536 · August 2016

Saturn wrote: »

I agree that there should be a way to get these weapons without having to beat veteran mode, as some players just can't do it on veteran. I seem to remember that in the past blue vr13 master weapons would drop from nDSA (not sure if this is still the case after the upscale).

Normal DSA doesn't drop master weapons. Instead, it drops weapons from one of the DSA sets (Footman, Healer, etc.). As far as I can tell, if you want a Healer staff or Footman sword or whatever, the only place to get it is from nDSA, as I've never seen them drop in any of my vDSA runs post-patch.

The difficulty gap between nDSA and vDSA is also much wider than before--I soloed nDSA at max level without too much difficulty the other day on my stamsorc (dealing with the 6 adds on Hiath was the only tricky part, and for that, a ranged character like my magblade would've had a much easier time). And with a number of the vDSA weapons being better than vMA weapons, it seems appropriate that they drop only from vet now.

Saturn wrote: »

People that want to get their hands on maelstrom weapons for a healer or a tank, but who have no characters to do it with are a real disadvantage with this kind of system.

Fortunately, those particular vMA weapons are trash. I've dumped my vMA resto for a vDSA resto as soon as I got it, and the vMA sword is so bad that I was using my old VR13 (not even VR14!) Master swords instead of my VR16 Maelstrom swords. (Though I've since switched to Tava and use crafted swords instead: vMA/vDSA swords don't fit into the current 5-5-2 tanking meta.)

Saturn wrote: »

Also, whoever thought putting the best weapons behind a singeplayer barrier was a good idea deserves a spanking. It's frustrating wanting to get these weapons and having to ignore your friends to do so. I mean it is an MMO we are talking about after all.

Hopefully with the next arena (if they make another one) it won't be a solo instance again, but rather a 2man or 4man, so you can actually do it with friends.

The vDSA revamp has been awesome. I've been farming that for daggers (for use on non-Flurry builds like stamblade or stamplar), bows (for PvP), and resto staves. Got a precise resto a couple of weeks ago that I'm now using on my healer instead of my vMA staff, and last week, I got a powered resto that I gave to my group's healer in exchange for his precise dagger--the group trading is great!

kylewwefan · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Seriously the weapon effects are so powerful that its make a huge gap between those who have them and those who don't.
There is really no other way to get it, you can'y buy it you can't trade it and friends can't help you.

Let the weapons have a small chance to drop in normal MSA and in blue and make them like now 100% chance in veteran and can drop in yellow, just like all other items in the game. Even a cp150 drop would be fine.

Also there will always be leader boards and scores in veteran mode, but MSA weapons are just too strong to be so hard to get

Yes. But I'd like more than a small chance that they might drop. I know so many people that won't even go into maelstrom because of the horror stories and crap rewards and solo difficulty. It should be like scaled sanctum. Lots of good gear with crap traits, so you have to do it a lot to get what you want. Guarantee the good stuff on vet mode; sharpened daggers and axes, bows.
As it is now, there's not much reason to try normal. Everything in there is poo

Apherius · August 2016

LOL , no , Nma is so easy ... you can one shot all mobs ! boss have 5 sec of life !!! stop cry for all set who are good !

Just thinking on this

- if you can not pass Vma , it's because you'r dps is low , because you are not patient , or because you d'ont know rolldodge or use right skill on the right moment !
So if you loot a Maseltrom weapons on a Chest on a EASY EASY EASY EASY maesltrom difficulty . it's totally useless , you learn nothing and you still bad with or without maesltrom weapons .

BUT if you think the fame is to hard for you --> go to a video game shop --> buy GTA V --> enter all cheated code --> and now you are happy .

and STOP want destroy all HM players rewars , if you are not patient , go on MY little pony online

Vma is the last HM content on the game ( with Vmol ) for players who can't do raid because they don't have time !! new dungeon are easy for PVP players ( ---> pvp set in ) where is the interest to try hard Vmaif you can get weapons on a normal mode... ??

Apherius · August 2016

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/275965/should-maelstrom-weapons-drop-from-normal-maelstrom/p1

AND PLEASE look if there is not already a post for cry than Vma is to difficult !

now bye , i wait the 3 rd post of the same subject

if you spent as much time in the arena than cry about the difficulty, you would have already Drop your weapon .

Sureshawt · August 2016

Yea I hate this kind of elite gear that can only be accessed by farming solo PvE content. So far the discrepancy hasn't been to great but if continues to grow that is when I say 'bye bye'.

I left WoW due to the crazy gear creep from Arenas. I will leave this game as well if it goes down that path.

I just want to be able to log on and play at a competitive level in PvP. I don't want to make my game a second job just to stay competitive and will not do so.

kylewwefan · August 2016

You're right. I probably still be bad with maelstrom weapons. But I want it. Looks cool. I've spent a total of 8 hours working on maelstrom and can't get it done. Heck with it. Eventually they'll either nerf the arena or make our toons so strong they can just roll right through there.

the normal takes some time to get the mechanics down for everyone also.

Apherius · August 2016

Sureshawt wrote: »

Yea I hate this kind of elite gear that can only be accessed by farming solo PvE content. So far the discrepancy hasn't been to great but if continues to grow that is when I say 'bye bye'.

I left WoW due to the crazy gear creep from Arenas. I will leave this game as well if it goes down that path.

I just want to be able to log on and play at a competitive level in PvP. I don't want to make my game a second job just to stay competitive and will not do so.

sorry but , did you say than for stay competitive levin in PVP ?.... you have to make your game a second job ? i have a job too , did you work the sunday ? no ? great , now you can do 1 H of maesltrom arena per week , or much . and now you can try to get your weapons .

When i want a stuff in pvp for test in pve , i need to kill player and gain ap and buy blue box with crap loot . and i don't back of the game because player are too difficult to kill . or because i dead too many time . And don't say me than PVP and PVE are not same or than is not a same gameplay ... i know this , but it's not a reason to destroy the PVE content and reward .

Apherius · August 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

the normal takes some time to get the mechanics down for everyone also.

And ..... ? because the Nma is difficult for some people , maesltrom weapons should me drop in normal mode for everyone ?
sorry but with or without a maesltrom weapons , if you can't pass Nma , it's .... because you are bad , and maesltrom weapons d'ont change this .

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2016

Nope, nope, nope, nope!

Sorry, but if these drop in normal, they will become so common place that they are meaningless. Normal can be farmed in 25 minutes while naked. It is a joke. They have already buffed drop rates to 100% in vet. Admittedly, I wouldnt mind them cleaning out the loot table a bit, but dropping in normal would frankly be insulting to those that put their time in to the arnea.

News flash: If you cant clear VMA, you will never notice the difference in these weapons.

Shadesofkin · August 2016

kylewwefan wrote: »

the normal takes some time to get the mechanics down for everyone also.

That is categorically untrue, A percentage of players (namely those who can and do farm Veteran Maelstrom) did not need to practice to punch through the Normal content. By the time Wrothgar Dropped, we'd had months of learning to fight in a much much harder version of Imperial Prison and White Gold than what you have today. Most of us had figured out what we needed to do and beating Normal was a walk in the park once we looked at it on the PTS.

Hutch679 · August 2016

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Its funny that people get mad about others getting gear.... "you didn't WORK for it! L2P!".... really? so what. relax.

why does it matter? If you can beat the arena... awesome. congrats, really! That means you shouldn't have any issues beating a player that can't beat the arena even if they had mal weapons. So again, what does it matter?

If you want to feel rewarded in life, go do volunteer work or get a degree or something... i dunno, anything. Just don't look to this game to feel accomplished all the time... especially that arena.
This is a game. Its meant for entertainment and fun. In an mmo, GROUP content is fun. Yes, farming dungeons and trials gets annoying sometimes but at least you're with your friends doing something together. If you prefer solo content... there's always skyrim. At least in 4-person content you're not stuck for weeks or months in single, solo instance farming for a weapon you might never find.

Mal arena is junk solo content and next to no one would be doing it if those weapons weren't locked in there.
I'm all for a change to that current system to make the weapons attainable through other means. I wouldn't care if they made them boe so people could sell the things! Just do SOMETHING so those of us who don't have the time to invest in this arena can get the gear one way or another.

The one alternative to making mal weapons reachable to most players... would be to make the master weapons from DSA worth getting. So far, only a couple of them might be worth using. I'm glad they revamped them and all, but they don't quite match mal weapons.

I'll be honest with you. You can't use time as a complaint for not being able to beat it. There is a save feature. Not to mention people that regularly beat VMA do so in about an hour even with out maelstrom weapons.

Serious question though not attacking you. How much time have you invested in leveling champion points? Farming materials? Farming gold? Leveling skills? It's all a grind man. VMA is a grind. The people that have beat didn't clear it their first try in an hour. My first clear took 12 hours total over the course of a week. My second clear took 3 hours. Third and so on I regularly clear it in about 1hr 10mins ish. Once you learn the mechanics you'll be surprised how easy it actually is. It's not fair for someone who doesn't take the time to learn mechanics and wants things handed to them by doing something as simple as paying gold for an item.

Don't you feel a sense of satisfaction when you work to get something? So is in life. People shouldn't be gifted with things, instead they should bust their @$$ for them and earn it.

Keep grinding man. No way will any forum posts get ZOS to nerf the difficulty of VMA. The time you spent reading and writing your posts you could have invested into learning round mechanics.

I know its a grind... but mal arena is the only one i can't do with friends, its just not enjoyable... It's purely a non-interest for me in an mmo.
I can get mats and gold doing group dungeons and selling items on the traders and cp just happens when you play the game. If they made the arena a two person instance or something i could understand that.... but not solo.

It is the only solo content in the game besides questing. I don't see how it being only solo is a valid argument either. It's meant to test YOUR ability. Not your groups. If you want group content go get master weapons from vDSA. But the solution if definitely not to nerf VMA or to make it a group content design.

Defilted · August 2016

Just no to this idea. Keep them in VMSA.

Shadesofkin · August 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Its funny that people get mad about others getting gear.... "you didn't WORK for it! L2P!".... really? so what. relax.

why does it matter? If you can beat the arena... awesome. congrats, really! That means you shouldn't have any issues beating a player that can't beat the arena even if they had mal weapons. So again, what does it matter?

If you want to feel rewarded in life, go do volunteer work or get a degree or something... i dunno, anything. Just don't look to this game to feel accomplished all the time... especially that arena.
This is a game. Its meant for entertainment and fun. In an mmo, GROUP content is fun. Yes, farming dungeons and trials gets annoying sometimes but at least you're with your friends doing something together. If you prefer solo content... there's always skyrim. At least in 4-person content you're not stuck for weeks or months in single, solo instance farming for a weapon you might never find.

Mal arena is junk solo content and next to no one would be doing it if those weapons weren't locked in there.
I'm all for a change to that current system to make the weapons attainable through other means. I wouldn't care if they made them boe so people could sell the things! Just do SOMETHING so those of us who don't have the time to invest in this arena can get the gear one way or another.

The one alternative to making mal weapons reachable to most players... would be to make the master weapons from DSA worth getting. So far, only a couple of them might be worth using. I'm glad they revamped them and all, but they don't quite match mal weapons.

I'll be honest with you. You can't use time as a complaint for not being able to beat it. There is a save feature. Not to mention people that regularly beat VMA do so in about an hour even with out maelstrom weapons.

Serious question though not attacking you. How much time have you invested in leveling champion points? Farming materials? Farming gold? Leveling skills? It's all a grind man. VMA is a grind. The people that have beat didn't clear it their first try in an hour. My first clear took 12 hours total over the course of a week. My second clear took 3 hours. Third and so on I regularly clear it in about 1hr 10mins ish. Once you learn the mechanics you'll be surprised how easy it actually is. It's not fair for someone who doesn't take the time to learn mechanics and wants things handed to them by doing something as simple as paying gold for an item.

Don't you feel a sense of satisfaction when you work to get something? So is in life. People shouldn't be gifted with things, instead they should bust their @$$ for them and earn it.

Keep grinding man. No way will any forum posts get ZOS to nerf the difficulty of VMA. The time you spent reading and writing your posts you could have invested into learning round mechanics.

I know its a grind... but mal arena is the only one i can't do with friends, its just not enjoyable... It's purely a non-interest for me in an mmo.
I can get mats and gold doing group dungeons and selling items on the traders and cp just happens when you play the game. If they made the arena a two person instance or something i could understand that.... but not solo.

It is the only solo content in the game besides questing. I don't see how it being only solo is a valid argument either. It's meant to test YOUR ability. Not your groups. If you want group content go get master weapons from vDSA. But the solution if definitely not to nerf VMA or to make it a group content design.

It's funny, because on the one hand, the non-solo players get furious that they can't complete this, but if you were to add more group content the Solo friendly players would be on here asking why it's forced group content (see the plethora of Craglorn posts).

NoRagret · August 2016

wahahahahaha

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

friends can't help you

Really? I couldn't tell from the number of players that can't beat it themselves so they get their friends to do it for them...or pay people to do it

...

But on a serious note OP, if you can't get through vet maelstrom, I suggest watching a ton of guides and run-throughs of people playing your specific class. Maelstrom just takes a decent set-up and practice; once you get that first clear it will get easier and easier.

jakeedmundson · August 2016

Hutch679 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Its funny that people get mad about others getting gear.... "you didn't WORK for it! L2P!".... really? so what. relax.

why does it matter? If you can beat the arena... awesome. congrats, really! That means you shouldn't have any issues beating a player that can't beat the arena even if they had mal weapons. So again, what does it matter?

If you want to feel rewarded in life, go do volunteer work or get a degree or something... i dunno, anything. Just don't look to this game to feel accomplished all the time... especially that arena.
This is a game. Its meant for entertainment and fun. In an mmo, GROUP content is fun. Yes, farming dungeons and trials gets annoying sometimes but at least you're with your friends doing something together. If you prefer solo content... there's always skyrim. At least in 4-person content you're not stuck for weeks or months in single, solo instance farming for a weapon you might never find.

Mal arena is junk solo content and next to no one would be doing it if those weapons weren't locked in there.
I'm all for a change to that current system to make the weapons attainable through other means. I wouldn't care if they made them boe so people could sell the things! Just do SOMETHING so those of us who don't have the time to invest in this arena can get the gear one way or another.

The one alternative to making mal weapons reachable to most players... would be to make the master weapons from DSA worth getting. So far, only a couple of them might be worth using. I'm glad they revamped them and all, but they don't quite match mal weapons.

I'll be honest with you. You can't use time as a complaint for not being able to beat it. There is a save feature. Not to mention people that regularly beat VMA do so in about an hour even with out maelstrom weapons.

Serious question though not attacking you. How much time have you invested in leveling champion points? Farming materials? Farming gold? Leveling skills? It's all a grind man. VMA is a grind. The people that have beat didn't clear it their first try in an hour. My first clear took 12 hours total over the course of a week. My second clear took 3 hours. Third and so on I regularly clear it in about 1hr 10mins ish. Once you learn the mechanics you'll be surprised how easy it actually is. It's not fair for someone who doesn't take the time to learn mechanics and wants things handed to them by doing something as simple as paying gold for an item.

Don't you feel a sense of satisfaction when you work to get something? So is in life. People shouldn't be gifted with things, instead they should bust their @$$ for them and earn it.

Keep grinding man. No way will any forum posts get ZOS to nerf the difficulty of VMA. The time you spent reading and writing your posts you could have invested into learning round mechanics.

I know its a grind... but mal arena is the only one i can't do with friends, its just not enjoyable... It's purely a non-interest for me in an mmo.
I can get mats and gold doing group dungeons and selling items on the traders and cp just happens when you play the game. If they made the arena a two person instance or something i could understand that.... but not solo.

It is the only solo content in the game besides questing. I don't see how it being only solo is a valid argument either. It's meant to test YOUR ability. Not your groups. If you want group content go get master weapons from vDSA. But the solution if definitely not to nerf VMA or to make it a group content design.

Yeah except for three things...
First, you play vMA differently then you play in group dungeons. So yes, i believe it is a very valid argument. You use different skills, different cp setup, different gear.

Second, and most important since i've already mentioned a few times... this is an MMO... mmo = group content. There are dozens of single player games out there i could play if i didn't want to play online with friends.

Third, i didn't say to nerf anything. I don't care about the difficulty or learning the mechanics. That learning curve is in every dungeon.... so, refer to my second point again.

Apherius · August 2016

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Yeah except for three things...
First, you play vMA differently then you play in group dungeons. So yes, i believe it is a very valid argument. You use different skills, different cp setup, different gear.

Second, and most important since i've already mentioned a few times... this is an MMO... mmo = group content. There are dozens of single player games out there i could play if i didn't want to play online with friends.

Third, i didn't say to nerf anything. I don't care about the difficulty or learning the mechanics. That learning curve is in every dungeon.... so, refer to my second point again.

first thing:
different skills : No
different cp : no
differrent gear : euh .... no

i'm on the top 40 of EU sorcerer , i d'ont have the " elegant set " who Noob sorcerer use with there oeverload , and i have 30K dps + withou finish and without overload fight engage . and i change nothing . And man ... d'ont forgot postif point , you learn to ROLLDODGE ennemi dot and aoe , you learn to stay alive without heal ( very good when the heal is bad or when he is dead on pve content) ect ...

second thing : yes MMo = group content , thank you man , but it's not a reason to add maesltrom weapons in Nma .

thrid thing: sorry , but add maesltrom weapons in Nma = destroy Vma .

Undoctrinated · August 2016

Personally, I reject this proposition... They should remain in veteran mode and never change. If you can't complete it, then you simple will not not have any MA weapon. I'd be infuriated to find that after spending countless hours just to get my first completion, they're just going to practically give them away like... even at CP150/Blue. And I don't want to hear that "but I'm a tank" bull crap either. When I went for the completion on my Stam DK, I took off his Armor Master/Footman's, put on some Hundings/Agility/Blood Spawn & Kena, and spent probably around of 20-30 grueling hours painstakingly dragging him all the way through that wretched arena only to get some dam Glory right. Even though that reward was complete garbage, just managing to complete it had made me that much better of a player overall. It's supposed to test YOU as the individual on your ability to put together a sensible armor combination, decide on the most appropriate/effective of all your available skills, and test your patience, determination & understanding of game mechanics. If you cannot fulfill these qualifications, then you shouldn't have a Maelstrom weapon in any form... point blank.

Apherius · August 2016

Undoctrinated wrote: »

Personally, I reject this proposition... They should remain in veteran mode and never change. If you can't complete it, then you simple will not not have any MA weapon. I'd be infuriated to find that after spending countless hours just to get my first completion, they're just going to practically give them away like... even at CP150/Blue. And I don't want to hear that "but I'm a tank" bull crap either. When I went for the completion on my Stam DK, I took off his Armor Master/Footman's, put on some Hundings/Agility/Blood Spawn & Kena, and spent probably around of 20-30 grueling hours painstakingly dragging him all the way through that wretched arena only to get some dam Glory right. Even though that reward was complete garbage, just managing to complete it had made me that much better of a player overall. It's supposed to test YOU as the individual on your ability to put together a sensible armor combination, decide on the most appropriate/effective of all your available skills, and test your patience, determination & understanding of game mechanics. If you cannot fulfill these qualifications, then you shouldn't have a Maelstrom weapon in any form... point blank.

THANK MAN !

Arthg · August 2016

I only play a stam DK Orc.
I'm not a very good player: I've been trying to complete my first run for MONTHS (currently at level 6, stage 4).
If I ever beat this thing, which is far from sure, no way I'll ever set foot there again.

Bottom line is, I know I'll never wield any of these weapons.

People who own these weapons have put in time and effort, and they're skillful.

In your heart of hearts, OP, I'm sure you know it: your proposal is just plain UNFAIR.

Hutch679 · August 2016

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Its funny that people get mad about others getting gear.... "you didn't WORK for it! L2P!".... really? so what. relax.

why does it matter? If you can beat the arena... awesome. congrats, really! That means you shouldn't have any issues beating a player that can't beat the arena even if they had mal weapons. So again, what does it matter?

If you want to feel rewarded in life, go do volunteer work or get a degree or something... i dunno, anything. Just don't look to this game to feel accomplished all the time... especially that arena.
This is a game. Its meant for entertainment and fun. In an mmo, GROUP content is fun. Yes, farming dungeons and trials gets annoying sometimes but at least you're with your friends doing something together. If you prefer solo content... there's always skyrim. At least in 4-person content you're not stuck for weeks or months in single, solo instance farming for a weapon you might never find.

Mal arena is junk solo content and next to no one would be doing it if those weapons weren't locked in there.
I'm all for a change to that current system to make the weapons attainable through other means. I wouldn't care if they made them boe so people could sell the things! Just do SOMETHING so those of us who don't have the time to invest in this arena can get the gear one way or another.

The one alternative to making mal weapons reachable to most players... would be to make the master weapons from DSA worth getting. So far, only a couple of them might be worth using. I'm glad they revamped them and all, but they don't quite match mal weapons.

I'll be honest with you. You can't use time as a complaint for not being able to beat it. There is a save feature. Not to mention people that regularly beat VMA do so in about an hour even with out maelstrom weapons.

Serious question though not attacking you. How much time have you invested in leveling champion points? Farming materials? Farming gold? Leveling skills? It's all a grind man. VMA is a grind. The people that have beat didn't clear it their first try in an hour. My first clear took 12 hours total over the course of a week. My second clear took 3 hours. Third and so on I regularly clear it in about 1hr 10mins ish. Once you learn the mechanics you'll be surprised how easy it actually is. It's not fair for someone who doesn't take the time to learn mechanics and wants things handed to them by doing something as simple as paying gold for an item.

Don't you feel a sense of satisfaction when you work to get something? So is in life. People shouldn't be gifted with things, instead they should bust their @$$ for them and earn it.

Keep grinding man. No way will any forum posts get ZOS to nerf the difficulty of VMA. The time you spent reading and writing your posts you could have invested into learning round mechanics.

I know its a grind... but mal arena is the only one i can't do with friends, its just not enjoyable... It's purely a non-interest for me in an mmo.
I can get mats and gold doing group dungeons and selling items on the traders and cp just happens when you play the game. If they made the arena a two person instance or something i could understand that.... but not solo.

It is the only solo content in the game besides questing. I don't see how it being only solo is a valid argument either. It's meant to test YOUR ability. Not your groups. If you want group content go get master weapons from vDSA. But the solution if definitely not to nerf VMA or to make it a group content design.

Yeah except for three things...
First, you play vMA differently then you play in group dungeons. So yes, i believe it is a very valid argument. You use different skills, different cp setup, different gear.

Second, and most important since i've already mentioned a few times... this is an MMO... mmo = group content. There are dozens of single player games out there i could play if i didn't want to play online with friends.

Third, i didn't say to nerf anything. I don't care about the difficulty or learning the mechanics. That learning curve is in every dungeon.... so, refer to my second point again.

My build is the exact same in VMA and trials. Including champion points and I absolutely MELT bosses in both (just saying).

Mmo doesn't necessarily mean everything is group content. If you think that then maybe this is your first Mmo. There is a lot of solo content in ESO. For example The Harborage quests. Fighters guild quests. Mages guild quests. So VMA is definitely not the only solo content. Also all MMO's have some solo content to appeal to the MASSIVE amount of people that play the game.

And third. Refer to my second response again.

Goodluck on your VMA weapons!

Sureshawt · August 2016

Apherius wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

Yea I hate this kind of elite gear that can only be accessed by farming solo PvE content. So far the discrepancy hasn't been to great but if continues to grow that is when I say 'bye bye'.

I left WoW due to the crazy gear creep from Arenas. I will leave this game as well if it goes down that path.

I just want to be able to log on and play at a competitive level in PvP. I don't want to make my game a second job just to stay competitive and will not do so.

sorry but , did you say than for stay competitive levin in PVP ?.... you have to make your game a second job ? i have a job too , did you work the sunday ? no ? great , now you can do 1 H of maesltrom arena per week , or much . and now you can try to get your weapons .

When i want a stuff in pvp for test in pve , i need to kill player and gain ap and buy blue box with crap loot . and i don't back of the game because player are too difficult to kill . or because i dead too many time . And don't say me than PVP and PVE are not same or than is not a same gameplay ... i know this , but it's not a reason to destroy the PVE content and reward .

Yes I did...and when I have time to play I want enjoy the PvP experience and not repetitive/mindless PvE so that i can stay competitive in PvP. I fail to see the logic of being forced to grind in PvE to enjoy and yes...stay competitive in PvP.

Edit: I'm not saying there shouldn't be PvE rewards that are unique or great. However, when creep gets to the point where there is to large a gap then that's when I draw the line. WoW crossed that line but so far ESO has not. However, once this kind of thing starts it rarely stops and now they are talking about Arenas like WoW had so I'm preparing myself to walk if they cross the line. I don't want to grind canned PvP Arena style to stay competitive either.

I already grinded out gear/levels once to reach the top(and this part was actually fun as you are learning game/exploring etc.). I just want to enjoy open world PvP fun without constantly chasing new elite gear obtained through repetitive grinding (not to mention the mercy of RNG gods)which I don't find to be fun ...is this really to much to ask for?

ArchMikem · August 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

If it would be easy to aquire the high-end gear, that would be silly. You gotta expect you need to work for something. And EVERYONE can do vMA. Just practise :>

Is that so? I'm quite certain Veteran Maelstrom is much more of a challenge then say Syvarra in Hew's Bane. And considering it's quite difficult for me to avoid the multiple fast moving red circles that do 30k damage to my 14k health pool, I highly doubt I'd survive even the first stage of Maelstrom.