Surviving Cyrodiil - How to (hopefully) die less often

Rune_Relic · November 2015

As an NB with keep defense, I always find it much more beneficial to stealth burn all the siege engines (rather than kill the siege users and being attacked by everyone else after letting everyone know I am there).
Expensive siege means many only bring a couple at best.
Many siege users are stuck in the engine oblivious.
Many guards are too busy defending against the primary force to realise whats going on in time.
Its much quicker to burn down 10 siege than 10 players.
Siege do way more damage to a keep than players do.
A massed force with siege isn't really expecting to be ganked.... so I guess detection isn't a priority for some.

All it requires is balls big enough to sneak solo into a massive warparty that preoccupied...and come at alive as carnage ensues behind.

It was the same with forward camps.....everyone else attacked the players....I had other more important things to do.

Anyway, excellent guide. /thumbsup

Rhandee235 · January 2016

Incredibly helpful guide. Thanks for taking the time to share this.

Cogo · February 2016

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Mr Wheeler, this guide is one of the best real help for Cyrodiil out there.

There are tons of ways how to upgrade gear, what builds are good etc.
This Kajiits guide gives out valuable tips that takes us "real pvpers" months to master!

Any chance to Sticky this guide?

Our guild has this as link to our new players. I heard other guilds have as well.

Morostyle · February 2016

Or simply just play with Banana Squad

DeanTheCat · March 2016

Updated the guide for 2.3, now with additional tips and up-to-date counter methods. Good luck on the battlefield!

LegendaryMage · March 2016

Awesome guide Dean! Expand it further with new information about what's going on right now with the new sets, new combos and tips and tricks on how to survive them.

I would just like to add that as a new player, one of your best ways to (as quickly as possible) improve in pvp is to join a dueling guild and rack in 100s of duels which will land you priceless experience long term, showing you how to fight certain opponents, how to survive multiple opponents and also give you an idea what your 'weak' spots are. It's like a training arena where you go to test stuff, improve skills and also have a chance to constantly pvp against some of the best players out there.

The logic behind this is that you can get as many fights (which are a 99% close simulation to open pvp ones) in as little time as possible. 2 hours of dueling is worth more than 5 hours of open pvp. Reason behind this, is that 1) you don't use the horse simulator, 2) you fight as much as you want to fight (provided that there are enough people at the duel spot) and 3) you fight opponents that you feel like you're struggling most with, therefore improving much quicker than waiting for such players to show up in Cyrodiil and give you a good fight every few hours or so.

And most importantly, my favorite one; 4) when it gets lagged and you're bored of pvping under such conditions, you go with your friends in a secluded location and enjoy some small scale pvp in a lag free environment (so at least you're 'pvping' in a way if nothing else).

Just my 2 cents.

DeanTheCat · May 2016

Added in a new section to the guide on the various types of Siege Engines. Also made various improvements and counter information to various parts of the guide.

May your road lead you to warm sands.

Ahzek · May 2016

@DeanTheCat All the time in this game (and this guide) and you still dont know that onevitable detonation is NOT what they advertised it to be when they first presented it (insta boom on purge), but instead only "cant be purged".

It clearly shows you only ever play stamina.

The guide is still great though, but that mistake for some reason really bothers me.

KenaPKK · May 2016

"I've never died in any video game ever.

"

~ my buddy @K4RMA

op nerf pls

FloppyTouch · May 2016

Hi Dean is that your real name? Mine too! Rare to find another Dean ^.^

DeanTheCat · May 2016

Ahzek wrote: »

@DeanTheCat All the time in this game (and this guide) and you still dont know that onevitable detonation is NOT what they advertised it to be when they first presented it (insta boom on purge), but instead only "cant be purged".

It clearly shows you only ever play stamina.

The guide is still great though, but that mistake for some reason really bothers me.

I don't know @Ahzek...

Whenever I get hit by one of those and I use a Templar purify synergy, it does explode on me. It's caused my death quite a few times when I wasn't paying attention =/

EDIT:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2656351#Comment_2656351

Natch Potes wrote:

Inevitable Detonation (Magicka Detonation morph): Fixed an issue where this morph’s effect could not be purged or cleansed. It will continue to detonate immediately when it is removed early.

DeanTheCat · May 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

"I've never died in any video game ever. "

~ my buddy @K4RMA

op nerf pls

@KenaPKK

Might Khajiit suggest Rapids while he is near a cliff?

Abra · May 2016

Just propose an exchange- they have to get out of your siege to accept or not. then take it back-

frozywozy wrote: »

Great guide, I love it. I even linked it into a sticky in my own guild forums.

I would add a small thing to your siege section if that is possible. I will illustrate this with a short scenario.

I ride to an important keep and with the help of a few players, I start sieging it to prepare it for my group coming up soon after. I get the wall down to 60% and I start seeing counter-siege going up and scouts on the wall. That means that the enemy probably mentioned in their zone chat that their keep is under attacked and they surely have reinforcements on their way.

The keep is not flagged yet and since I'm rotating between 3-4 sieges at the same time, some random new players steal my sieges and start sieging the corners of the keep (indestructible). I take the time to whisper them politely to give me the sieges back or to target the walls so the keep flags but I get no answer in return.

This happens to me at least 5times a day in different circumstances. People are selfish and foolish. Don't get me wrong, I would gladly give them sieges if they would ask me nicely and if they would actually target the freaking wall.

Also sometimes, you just dropped your siege, then you disengage one second and the player was actually spamming your siege to steal it from you. I really hope that ZOS give us the option to bind a siege to ourselves or something.

Until that happens, please act with manners and only use an empty sieges if it's been reloaded and unused for at least 5 seconds, thank you.

DeanTheCat · May 2016

@Abra

Interesting. Unconventional, yet possibly effective

Rva_Kun · May 2016

lol

altemriel · June 2016

I have booked this thread a long time ago, now I got finally to reading it.

Thank you for this awesome advices!!!

I usually play PVE, but would like to start playing more PVP too

DeanTheCat · August 2016

Updated the guide with a new section on Toxins as well as various additions to the several sections.

Good luck on the battlefield.