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Yes, I am going to keep Hurling Abuse at the Breton Costume.
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Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭One thing I will say is that even the preview window doesn't show how the full effect of the outfit. When you move, fight, crouch - all these can show a lot of errors with the design.4 -
BenLocoDete✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »BenLocoDete wrote: »
People's reaction to the new Breton Armour and Doom Wolf mount ...
Seriously, don't buy it. Vote with your wallet. It's really not great quality. And that's being kind.
Plain bad, just like every other hero costume available.
It is just as impressive how people still buy these after so many threads complaining about the overall quality of costumes and their price.
Not everyone checks the forums. The vast majority could care less what we here complain about and as much as I agree the costume is sub-par. Its not your money.
No really, I understand the hate but not that after so many bad examples, and the OP is not new to the forums - and I feel just as much disappointed not only with the distinct costumes quality - people would still find reasonable buy(and continue supporting) bad quality design to later complain on forums for improvement. And this goes the same way for the amount of crowns asked for those utilities.
It might not be my money right now, but was once, and one way to say stop it is neglect what they are neglecting. I just feel really impressed that people are, at this point, surprised, sincerely, because every other hero costume had the same quality standard and forum threads filled with complaints.
When it comes to such complaints, I unfortunately remember what the Terms of Service, which we all had to agree upon, states about this and is the standard I would expect from ZOS because it is in the contract.11. Disclaimer of Warranty
TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX, ITS LICENSORS AND RESELLERS DO NOT MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS, WARRANTIES OR GUARANTEES TO YOU REGARDING ANY SERVICE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE. EACH SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS.
IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE, YOU MAY CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO THE SERVICE. AS NOTED IN THESE TERMS OF SERVICE, WHEN YOU CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO A SERVICE YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE A REFUND OF THE FEES FOR THAT SERVICE UNLESS APPLICABLE LAW SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1) REQUIRES A REFUND BE GIVEN.
IN SOME COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE EEA, SWITZERLAND, RUSSIA, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND, CERTAIN WARRANTIES MAY AUTOMATICALLY ARISE OR APPLY UNLESS THESE WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED. SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX AND ITS LICENSORS DISCLAIM AND EXCLUDE ALL SUCH WARRANTIES EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, IF AND TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED[slit]Throat[/slit]0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BenLocoDete wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »BenLocoDete wrote: »
People's reaction to the new Breton Armour and Doom Wolf mount ...
Seriously, don't buy it. Vote with your wallet. It's really not great quality. And that's being kind.
Plain bad, just like every other hero costume available.
It is just as impressive how people still buy these after so many threads complaining about the overall quality of costumes and their price.
Not everyone checks the forums. The vast majority could care less what we here complain about and as much as I agree the costume is sub-par. Its not your money.
No really, I understand the hate but not that after so many bad examples, and the OP is not new to the forums - and I feel just as much disappointed not only with the distinct costumes quality - people would still find reasonable buy(and continue supporting) bad quality design to later complain on forums for improvement. And this goes the same way for the amount of crowns asked for those utilities.
It might not be my money right now, but was once, and one way to say stop it is neglect what they are neglecting. I just feel really impressed that people are, at this point, surprised, sincerely, because every other hero costume had the same quality standard and forum threads filled with complaints.
When it comes to such complaints, I unfortunately remember what the Terms of Service, which we all had to agree upon, states about this and is the standard I would expect from ZOS because it is in the contract.11. Disclaimer of Warranty
TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX, ITS LICENSORS AND RESELLERS DO NOT MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS, WARRANTIES OR GUARANTEES TO YOU REGARDING ANY SERVICE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE. EACH SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS.
IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE, YOU MAY CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO THE SERVICE. AS NOTED IN THESE TERMS OF SERVICE, WHEN YOU CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO A SERVICE YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE A REFUND OF THE FEES FOR THAT SERVICE UNLESS APPLICABLE LAW SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1) REQUIRES A REFUND BE GIVEN.
IN SOME COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE EEA, SWITZERLAND, RUSSIA, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND, CERTAIN WARRANTIES MAY AUTOMATICALLY ARISE OR APPLY UNLESS THESE WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED. SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX AND ITS LICENSORS DISCLAIM AND EXCLUDE ALL SUCH WARRANTIES EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, IF AND TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED
While this is true in the terms of service, there is something like obligingness as well - a voluntary willingness of a provider or manufacturer to fix stuff or change services to the better, which are not satisfactory, in order to make customers happy again and ensure that they stick with the company instead to go with their wallet to somewhere else.5 -
Giraffon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Was in Cyrodiil last night and saw someone in one of these outfits doing repairs on a keep. It reminded me of a magician trying to wiggle out of a straightjacket. This might be some of the worst work they've ever put in the crown store. Some things in the past look great, but this does not.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!3 -
Cynnalia✭✭✭I am also disappointed with this costume, for all the reasons mentioned, especially since I am DC and was looking forward to this Hero costume the most. As has been pointed out, what is most aggravating is we KNOW they can do better...there are other costumes and armor which are much more detailed and higher quality. For this premium costume to be this lackluster is frustrating and definitely not worth the price asked. ZOS, please consider reworking this costume to be on par with your other high quality offerings!NA PS4 Daggerfall Covenant Characters -- CP 755
Sulin Shadowdancer -- Redguard Nightblade -- Dragonstar Arena Champion, General Executioner, Tamriel Hero
Ysorya Traven - Breton Sorcerer -- Monster Hunter, Master Angler, Explorer, Maelstrom Arena Champion, Tamriel Hero
Eriah A'kiranya-- Redguard Dragon Knight, tank
Sybilline Travadon -- Altmer Templar -- Maelstrom Arena Champion
At-Sixes-and-Sevens -- Argonian Templar, healer
Mercurial Malice -- Dunmer Nightblade
Fern Gullie -- Bosmer Warden, level 45
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✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »Sylveria_Relden wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »True that, but by now the way I saw this game working is that ZOS doesnt even have to act butthurt because ZOS fanboys/girls do it for them... the rest of us are simply entitled just like you said it... Zos KNOWS they can charge 20 dollars for such a badly constructed costume exactly because there are people that defend them, and the only argument they have is "Dont like it? Dont buy it... Dont play it... Move to another game"...Oh well...
And the problem with "fanboi-ish" behavior is that it perpetuates bad PR for any company. If a company indeed wants to market itself, it will filter through information (both positive AND negative) and consider a direction that will ensure long term success, rather than catering to a small few "armchair lawyers" who think they have an idea of what's best.
Good companies will consider both- not just praise and back-slapping.
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
Honestly, I am not expecting anything from this company when their creative directors are just as childish as some people on this forum. Never ever...have I seen such a response from someone to one of their costumers. From a corner cafe? Maybe.
Companies should never give that kind of response to someone that purchased their product, if they dont have anything better to say, than they shouldnt say anything at all. It was a very petty response... best thing? It has like 74 awesome. Even better? Those awesomes contribute to the direction this game is heading. Even better? That is the generation that gets the same treatment in real life, themselves apologizing for it and fight the worlds problems with #s and safe spaces...but I am going off topic here and will probably get my comment removed.
Stop trying to twist what Rich said. That was said in a thread where he was not acting as a dev but as a fellow player. That thread was like a vacation for him to just talk with the community and people like the one he replied to were trying to derail it.
No that's not a thing. He's a dev, he has a responsibility to the players. He didn't handle the question well at all. That was unprofessional.
If he wanted to post as a player he shouldn't of done it under a ZOS tag.
This has to be seen in perspective - that thread came up as follow up to a webcast, where Rich was a guest and talked not just about the game but as well about him being an actual player - and when he answered in this thread this was about personal matters and not about game issues. People asked him about what he likes with the game, what he has tried, what his personal experiences are as a player. This thread was clearly about the person Rich, not about his function as a developer.
But I think as well, that his reaction was inappropriate, and I think he knows this as well - he shouldn't have been rude but he is a person with feelings as well - and this just got to him and he overreacted - but to get to him with game issues when he is in a "private mode" is as well inappropriate - both sides just chose the wrong time to make these statements. Both are humans, humans make mistakes and overreact at times.
As one of the people in charge of the game, that was an unacceptable response and really shows how little they actually care about the community. It is his responsibility to make sure customers are satisfied and not fire off with a response like you don't have to be here. It was unprofessional and created a PR nightmare, I wonder if that why I haven't seen a post from him since that day.
Long as you treat him like a dev and not a fellow human being of course you will not understand his perspective. I respect him for being openly honest in that thread since it was technically off the record in the first place as well as the 74 other people that gave it awesomes as well as those that did not give awesomes and prefer to remain anonymous and all that person he replied to was trying to do was derail the thread. So yeah that response was beyond acceptable.
Seriously people stop trying to treat Zenimax like nothing but devs. They are people AND fellow players to and have every right to a personal opinion. If you can do that then MAYBE they'll post more often.Well, I just woke up and have read my thread. ALOT of it is good responses but could we please keep it 100% on topic
Don't worry, it has been resolved
Carry on people nothing to see here except costume flaws
Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 22, 2016 7:18PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Bad_Company✭✭✭✭Good thing I'm not an impulsive buyer and I waited to see other people's thoughts and screenshots/videos first. This costume's quality is plain awful, sadly. I wanted it so badly to be good.
Well, 2k crowns saved. Thanks OP.My characters (EU PC):Leopardo Di-Caprio (Khajiit Templar) || Matthew Makehoney (Altmer Sorcerer) || Luck-Luster Burt (Redguard Dragonknight)Clint Histwood (Argonian Templar) || Martin Uber Ping (Redguard Sorcerer) || Louis Farmstrong (Imperial Nightblade)Anthony Hotskins (Altmer Nightblade)5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I was thinking of buying it when it was announced, but there's not a chance in Oblivion of that happening after previewing it on my characters. I'd expect much higher quality from a 2000 crown, limited time offer cosmetic...2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was thinking of buying it when it was announced, but there's not a chance in Oblivion of that happening after previewing it on my characters. I'd expect much higher quality from a 2000 crown, limited time offer cosmetic...
Once you will have seen it in motion, it is even worse - just standing in preview it is not even that bad as in motion.0 -
BenLocoDete✭✭✭BenLocoDete wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »BenLocoDete wrote: »
People's reaction to the new Breton Armour and Doom Wolf mount ...
Seriously, don't buy it. Vote with your wallet. It's really not great quality. And that's being kind.
Plain bad, just like every other hero costume available.
It is just as impressive how people still buy these after so many threads complaining about the overall quality of costumes and their price.
Not everyone checks the forums. The vast majority could care less what we here complain about and as much as I agree the costume is sub-par. Its not your money.
No really, I understand the hate but not that after so many bad examples, and the OP is not new to the forums - and I feel just as much disappointed not only with the distinct costumes quality - people would still find reasonable buy(and continue supporting) bad quality design to later complain on forums for improvement. And this goes the same way for the amount of crowns asked for those utilities.
It might not be my money right now, but was once, and one way to say stop it is neglect what they are neglecting. I just feel really impressed that people are, at this point, surprised, sincerely, because every other hero costume had the same quality standard and forum threads filled with complaints.
When it comes to such complaints, I unfortunately remember what the Terms of Service, which we all had to agree upon, states about this and is the standard I would expect from ZOS because it is in the contract.11. Disclaimer of Warranty
TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX, ITS LICENSORS AND RESELLERS DO NOT MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS, WARRANTIES OR GUARANTEES TO YOU REGARDING ANY SERVICE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE. EACH SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS.
IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE, YOU MAY CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO THE SERVICE. AS NOTED IN THESE TERMS OF SERVICE, WHEN YOU CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO A SERVICE YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE A REFUND OF THE FEES FOR THAT SERVICE UNLESS APPLICABLE LAW SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1) REQUIRES A REFUND BE GIVEN.
IN SOME COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE EEA, SWITZERLAND, RUSSIA, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND, CERTAIN WARRANTIES MAY AUTOMATICALLY ARISE OR APPLY UNLESS THESE WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED. SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX AND ITS LICENSORS DISCLAIM AND EXCLUDE ALL SUCH WARRANTIES EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, IF AND TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED
While this is true in the terms of service, there is something like obligingness as well - a voluntary willingness of a provider or manufacturer to fix stuff or change services to the better, which are not satisfactory, in order to make customers happy again and ensure that they stick with the company instead to go with their wallet to somewhere else.
Yes but it is not under the terms of service so it might happen or not, it all depends on the good will of the company. So far @MornaBaine thread about the awful design choices ZOS made got around somewhere but it seems it did not make their standards better.Ghost-Shot wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »Sylveria_Relden wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »True that, but by now the way I saw this game working is that ZOS doesnt even have to act butthurt because ZOS fanboys/girls do it for them... the rest of us are simply entitled just like you said it... Zos KNOWS they can charge 20 dollars for such a badly constructed costume exactly because there are people that defend them, and the only argument they have is "Dont like it? Dont buy it... Dont play it... Move to another game"...Oh well...
And the problem with "fanboi-ish" behavior is that it perpetuates bad PR for any company. If a company indeed wants to market itself, it will filter through information (both positive AND negative) and consider a direction that will ensure long term success, rather than catering to a small few "armchair lawyers" who think they have an idea of what's best.
Good companies will consider both- not just praise and back-slapping.
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
Honestly, I am not expecting anything from this company when their creative directors are just as childish as some people on this forum. Never ever...have I seen such a response from someone to one of their costumers. From a corner cafe? Maybe.
Companies should never give that kind of response to someone that purchased their product, if they dont have anything better to say, than they shouldnt say anything at all. It was a very petty response... best thing? It has like 74 awesome. Even better? Those awesomes contribute to the direction this game is heading. Even better? That is the generation that gets the same treatment in real life, themselves apologizing for it and fight the worlds problems with #s and safe spaces...but I am going off topic here and will probably get my comment removed.
Stop trying to twist what Rich said. That was said in a thread where he was not acting as a dev but as a fellow player. That thread was like a vacation for him to just talk with the community and people like the one he replied to were trying to derail it.
No that's not a thing. He's a dev, he has a responsibility to the players. He didn't handle the question well at all. That was unprofessional.
If he wanted to post as a player he shouldn't of done it under a ZOS tag.
This has to be seen in perspective - that thread came up as follow up to a webcast, where Rich was a guest and talked not just about the game but as well about him being an actual player - and when he answered in this thread this was about personal matters and not about game issues. People asked him about what he likes with the game, what he has tried, what his personal experiences are as a player. This thread was clearly about the person Rich, not about his function as a developer.
But I think as well, that his reaction was inappropriate, and I think he knows this as well - he shouldn't have been rude but he is a person with feelings as well - and this just got to him and he overreacted - but to get to him with game issues when he is in a "private mode" is as well inappropriate - both sides just chose the wrong time to make these statements. Both are humans, humans make mistakes and overreact at times.
As one of the people in charge of the game, that was an unacceptable response and really shows how little they actually care about the community. It is his responsibility to make sure customers are satisfied and not fire off with a response like you don't have to be here. It was unprofessional and created a PR nightmare, I wonder if that why I haven't seen a post from him since that day.
I was shocked about that response as well but I actually could not agree more as the game has clearly stated its target audience and standards, and whatever people think or expected about the game should be all cleared by now. In any way his response is perfectly described in the Terms of Service and there are no other obligations forcing the company to do otherwise, despite what people might consider apropriate or not.
Until the company loses a good bunch of their passionated advocates, we shouldn't expect anything different, especially under the direction of ''game is doing great, thank you'' @ZOS_MattFiror .[slit]Throat[/slit]1 -
SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭I did not intend to buy this costume to begin with, so I am not personally bothered by this specific incident, sad as it is.
The part that worries me is that the Crown Store is the ESO cash cow, and the quality has taken a nose dive (imho) with its recent offerings. Combine this with the state of the game (at least on Xbox), and I am worried about its longevity.
I will continue to subscribe for now, don't get me wrong. I am enjoying the DLC, and I don't have enough Crowns to purchase them anyway, so financially it makes the most sense to me. I don't feel comfortable buying Crowns at this point in time, for understandable reasons.
I am really hoping things change... I love the quests and voice acting and the little details that show all the love that was poured into this game from the very beginning. I am hoping all this unraveling is temporary, and there is an upswing around the corner.
I am really hoping...Why be normal when you can be better?
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✭✭BenLocoDete wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »BenLocoDete wrote: »
People's reaction to the new Breton Armour and Doom Wolf mount ...
Seriously, don't buy it. Vote with your wallet. It's really not great quality. And that's being kind.
Plain bad, just like every other hero costume available.
It is just as impressive how people still buy these after so many threads complaining about the overall quality of costumes and their price.
Not everyone checks the forums. The vast majority could care less what we here complain about and as much as I agree the costume is sub-par. Its not your money.
No really, I understand the hate but not that after so many bad examples, and the OP is not new to the forums - and I feel just as much disappointed not only with the distinct costumes quality - people would still find reasonable buy(and continue supporting) bad quality design to later complain on forums for improvement. And this goes the same way for the amount of crowns asked for those utilities.
It might not be my money right now, but was once, and one way to say stop it is neglect what they are neglecting. I just feel really impressed that people are, at this point, surprised, sincerely, because every other hero costume had the same quality standard and forum threads filled with complaints.
When it comes to such complaints, I unfortunately remember what the Terms of Service, which we all had to agree upon, states about this and is the standard I would expect from ZOS because it is in the contract.11. Disclaimer of Warranty
TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX, ITS LICENSORS AND RESELLERS DO NOT MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS, WARRANTIES OR GUARANTEES TO YOU REGARDING ANY SERVICE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE. EACH SERVICE IS PROVIDED TO YOU ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS.
IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE QUALITY, FUNCTIONALITY, AVAILABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY OR PERFORMANCE OF A SERVICE, YOU MAY CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO THE SERVICE. AS NOTED IN THESE TERMS OF SERVICE, WHEN YOU CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT OR SUBSCRIPTION OR MEMBERSHIP TO A SERVICE YOU WILL NOT BE ENTITLED TO RECEIVE A REFUND OF THE FEES FOR THAT SERVICE UNLESS APPLICABLE LAW SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1) REQUIRES A REFUND BE GIVEN.
IN SOME COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE EEA, SWITZERLAND, RUSSIA, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND, CERTAIN WARRANTIES MAY AUTOMATICALLY ARISE OR APPLY UNLESS THESE WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED. SUBJECT TO THE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS (AS DEFINED IN SECTION 1), ZENIMAX AND ITS LICENSORS DISCLAIM AND EXCLUDE ALL SUCH WARRANTIES EITHER EXPRESS, IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, IF AND TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE IMPLIED
While this is true in the terms of service, there is something like obligingness as well - a voluntary willingness of a provider or manufacturer to fix stuff or change services to the better, which are not satisfactory, in order to make customers happy again and ensure that they stick with the company instead to go with their wallet to somewhere else.
Zos T&C is worthless in the EU. It's actually illegal in the UK to advertise you do not refund. All online sales in the EU have the right to a refund without reason within 14 days of purchase. Fact. The EU courts hand out fines that only Google and Intel can afford and beyond sums we could ever even win on a lottery. One day these greedy selfish developers are going to get severely screwed over.
Only have to wreck a costume purchased by a kid of an MEP and boom they'll be strung up. Srs too.PC Master Race
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Conquistador✭✭✭✭✭notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.2 -
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✭Conquistador wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.
And yet it happened.Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!3 -
Conquistador✭✭✭✭✭bikerangelo wrote: »
LOL. THAT SHOULD BE ON A T-SHIRT. I would wear that and waltz into Zenimax Online Studios.8 -
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✭✭Conquistador wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.
Oh its real, look for the thread Rich Lambert I'm calling you out. Something like that.2 -
Sylveria_Relden✭✭✭✭Conquistador wrote: »bikerangelo wrote: »
LOL. THAT SHOULD BE ON A T-SHIRT. I would wear that and waltz into Zenimax Online Studios.
Keep Googling for it for the next few weeks, I'm sure a fan who's disappointed and owns a screen-printing service may be offering something at some point for sale online.
The reality is the marketing sword has sharp edges on both sides- something any business would do well to remember.TL;DR - If you got this far without reading the entire post you're either too lazy or suck at reading comprehension and probably don't belong in a public forum anyway. Just move along, you wouldn't understand.0 -
KICHZY✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »Zos T&C is worthless in the EU. It's actually illegal in the UK to advertise you do not refund. All online sales in the EU have the right to a refund without reason within 14 days of purchase. Fact. The EU courts hand out fines that only Google and Intel can afford and beyond sums we could ever even win on a lottery. One day these greedy selfish developers are going to get severely screwed over.
Only have to wreck a costume purchased by a kid of an MEP and boom they'll be strung up. Srs too.
Don't try and play politics by simply using Google search LOL! You posted a half ass sentence that is not only is incorrect but stated it as facts as if you have remotely the slightest idea of what you are talking about.- You mention ZOS terms and conditions are worthless to EU law.
- You mention a so called fact of UK law when in fact (It's actually only illegal if you do not show a notice that you do not offer refunds...in which they do).
- Now you're back to EU courts handing out fines to google and Intel entwining them with us winning the lottery for some reason or another.
- Now we are on to developers being greedy and getting severely screwed over.
- and to finish it all off you suggest a MEP lets his kid play a game where his fathers cash is being used to buy a breton costume and he's going to string them up for it looking bad...Forgetting that kid shouldn't be playing ESO in the first place so he would have no leg to stand on.
Do you know how stupid your sentence sounds now that it is laid out for you? just because you read a webpage on refunds somewhere doesn't even come close to the small details that are enclosed in 100s of pages referring to selected policies on products. When it comes to Zenimax Media that is 17 years old with a Total equity of 2.5 billion I'm sure they know just a tad more than you when it comes to a business stance.
The costume looks *** I agree, Did I buy it? No, I previewed it beforehand. THE END.
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GreatWhite000✭✭✭Conquistador wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3160562/#Comment_3160562
Yup.
I think Rich Lambert is awesome but that response was uncalled for.
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On the topic of the breton hero, I just used the crowns to get the treethane dress and am saving the rest for race change and other stuff next patch.Edited by GreatWhite000 on July 22, 2016 9:22PM1 -
KICHZY✭✭✭✭Conquistador wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.
No he doesn't, He handled it great in my opinion. Many would have said the same exact thing...4 -
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✭✭✭Conquistador wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.
It was said in a thread where Rich was speaking as a player and not a dev but everyone wants to twist that around to make him look bad. Why do you think the person that brought this up failed to point out the thread it was posted in? Off the record he has the right to say whatever he pleases and I support that along with everyone else that gave him those awesomes.
It was my thread after all so I reserve the right to declare it so just as much as he does, especially since he was saying they don't have to be in that THREAD.
P.S. I apologize for this off-topic topic continuing OP. Sadly there are always going to be people doing this everywhere they get a chance to. Derailing topics is how they try their best to talk down Zenimax like the toxic immature kids they are.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 22, 2016 9:39PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Conquistador wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.
It was said in a thread where Rich was speaking as a player and not a dev but everyone wants to twist that around to make him look bad. Why do you think the person that brought this up failed to point out the thread it was posted in? Off the record he has the right to say whatever he pleases and I support that along with everyone else that gave him those awesomes.
It was my thread after all so I reserve the right to declare it so just as much as he does, especially since he was saying they don't have to be in that THREAD.
P.S. I apologize for this off-topic topic continuing OP. Sadly there are always going to be people doing this everywhere they get a chance to. Derailing topics is how they try their best to talk down Zenimax like the toxic immature kids they are.
Wth dude? xDDD Are you sure you arent the one twisting stuff around? Do you think I have nothing better to do than go out to invent conspiracy theories about ZOS by "not showing the thread"? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD He didnt specify to not be there "in that thread" so you maybe also dont put words in his mouth.
But anyway, I am going to leave this thread as the immature toxic child I am, and I suggest you also stop acting like a fanboy here, however if you still want to, than pm everybody on the forum praising how good Rich is and how everybody that says anything against ZOS is toxic and negative, but not on this thread.
And to the rest that still quotes me, sorry, I didnt want to make this thread into a ZOS vs clients dilemma, I was simply stating MY opinion (if that is even allowed on the internet anymore) to someone, and that should REALLY die out because this is not the thread for it, and I dont want it to get deleted over such a stupid thing, hence why I stopped answering in the first place but I wanted to make it clear again, since people love beating up the dead, toxic horse over and over again.
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Sylveria_Relden✭✭✭✭Let's please stay on topic. KthxbaiTL;DR - If you got this far without reading the entire post you're either too lazy or suck at reading comprehension and probably don't belong in a public forum anyway. Just move along, you wouldn't understand.2
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✭Sylveria_Relden wrote: »Let's please stay on topic. Kthxbai
Yes please! Sorry, I will really force myself to not answer anymore I promise xDDD...
Ok so... I think they could at least try to make the costume completely capeless, since they cant make it flow in any way and always said we wont ever get real capes, than it shouldnt be there at all! I dont know how hard it is to replace the textures (maybe someone that works with 3d can enlighten us) but most games normally release packs that are like upgrades of in game textures, and they could upgrade this costume once with another maintenance for example! Maybe also change the mesh of the hood with another one of the many many hood costumes they have, to remove that huge forehead ;___;...I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0 -
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✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Conquistador wrote: »notimetocare wrote: »
I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:
There is no way that is real. LMFAO. If that is real, that dude needs to be fired. That's absolutely crazy to see someone that manages a game in some capacity act in this manner.
It was said in a thread where Rich was speaking as a player and not a dev but everyone wants to twist that around to make him look bad. Why do you think the person that brought this up failed to point out the thread it was posted in? Off the record he has the right to say whatever he pleases and I support that along with everyone else that gave him those awesomes.
It was my thread after all so I reserve the right to declare it so just as much as he does, especially since he was saying they don't have to be in that THREAD.
P.S. I apologize for this off-topic topic continuing OP. Sadly there are always going to be people doing this everywhere they get a chance to. Derailing topics is how they try their best to talk down Zenimax like the toxic immature kids they are.
Wth dude? xDDD Are you sure you arent the one twisting stuff around? Do you think I have nothing better to do than go out to invent conspiracy theories about ZOS by "not showing the thread"? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD He didnt specify to not be there "in that thread" so you maybe also dont put words in his mouth.
But anyway, I am going to leave this thread as the immature toxic child I am, and I suggest you also stop acting like a fanboy here, however if you still want to, than pm everybody on the forum praising how good Rich is and how everybody that says anything against ZOS is toxic and negative, but not on this thread.
And to the rest that still quotes me, sorry, I didnt want to make this thread into a ZOS vs clients dilemma, I was simply stating MY opinion (if that is even allowed on the internet anymore) to someone, and that should REALLY die out because this is not the thread for it, and I dont want it to get deleted over such a stupid thing, hence why I stopped answering in the first place but I wanted to make it clear again, since people love beating up the dead, toxic horse over and over again.
The word I bolded and italicized is solid proof your argument is invalid because you clearly have it in for Zenimax. GGGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Sylveria_Relden✭✭✭✭Are we done with the "I'm getting the LAST word!" arguments? Good, let's get back to the topic please.TL;DR - If you got this far without reading the entire post you're either too lazy or suck at reading comprehension and probably don't belong in a public forum anyway. Just move along, you wouldn't understand.1
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I'm trying lol I don't want to derail this topic anymore than anyone else but it's my duty to defend a post that was in my thread when people are trying to twist it around to make him look like an irresponsible dev. It's also my duty as a member of the yaysay cult to take down the naysay. Of course I'm not gonna do that to this thread's topic as everyone is entitled to their opinion about the state of things lolEdited by UltimaJoe777 on July 22, 2016 10:59PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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