Auction House

ScottK1994 · July 2016

Not really relevant what they've said previously. I could name a million examples but I'll stick to a current MMO. World of Warcraft said they'd NEVER allow people to purchase high level characters... Lol. I disagree with doing that but that game is still in business lol

Any successful gaming business caters to the majority of their customer base, they only cater to minorities in situations where they provide individually thousands of pounds a year. You know the type of games. Is that seriously the type of game you want eso to be? Working percect for 1%?

Update I'm in five trading guilds, none have traders. ALL have over 1 million in the bank. Lol.

kargen27 · July 2016

If they don't have traders they are not a trading guild. Our social guild gets a trader almost every week (missed one week in last four months) with nowhere near a million gold. Whoever is suppose to be securing a trader for those guilds you are in isn't doing what they should. They need to get out in the world and find a trader. You don't need a trader in one of the top high traffic areas to be able to sell a lot of items. Some people in fact actually seek out the out of the way traders first. Kind of a Walmart vs mom and pop thing where they decide to support the little guy.

As for the majority base there is no way of knowing where the majority stands on this issue. A very small percentage of players actually post to these forums and this issue is usually split mostly even when a thread gets posted. You are lucky if you get twenty peoples opinions in a thread like this and twenty is nowhere near a majority.

grom1024 · July 2016

kargen27 wrote: »

As for the majority base there is no way of knowing where the majority stands on this issue. A very small percentage of players actually post to these forums and this issue is usually split mostly even when a thread gets posted. You are lucky if you get twenty peoples opinions in a thread like this and twenty is nowhere near a majority.

Let's add AH to the game and let people vote with their feet. This would be most objective research.

Skcarkden · July 2016

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

Alurria · July 2016

Why do you insist on making a WoW clone? The guild trader system works very well, quit being lazy and hunt down what you want.

jedtb16_ESO · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

you could do what i think most people do... i know i did - loot the recipe. if its for a writ it will be a green recipe, they really aren't hard to find.

edit to add.... i'm not in a trading guild and i think the system works just fine as it is - give or take a tweak of the ui.

Skcarkden · July 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

you could do what i think most people do... i know i did - loot the recipe. if its for a writ it will be a green recipe, they really aren't hard to find.

edit to add.... i'm not in a trading guild and i think the system works just fine as it is - give or take a tweak of the ui.

for someone who has the nerve to call anyone who wants a proper trading system lazy, you sure do like to hand out lazy responses.

loot the recipe.... why didn't i think of that? Oh wait, i did. I wouldn't be trying to buy something if i could never find it. Maybe i should say the name of it 3 times as if it's like Bettlejuice and will appear.

you think it's fine now, i don't. yet you're hard set to prevent it from being truly useful. almost as if you have an agenda.

anyone can claim they aren't in a guild for profit, while actually being in one so forgive me if i won't take your word for it.

Hallothiel · July 2016

Re: recipies.

Can buy most from chef/brewer in that area. Or as others have said, just loot it. Doesn't take that much effort.

Grao · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

Provisioning is the easiest profession to level in this game. I always end up having it max level before my character reaches level 30... And from the moment you have it fully leveled you only need a couple of high level recipes which you can find in every good guild store.

And of course you are not going to find raw materials... Not when one of the best ways to make a profit in ESO is selling gold refinements. >.>

Skcarkden wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

you could do what i think most people do... i know i did - loot the recipe. if its for a writ it will be a green recipe, they really aren't hard to find.

edit to add.... i'm not in a trading guild and i think the system works just fine as it is - give or take a tweak of the ui.

for someone who has the nerve to call anyone who wants a proper trading system lazy, you sure do like to hand out lazy responses.

loot the recipe.... why didn't i think of that? Oh wait, i did. I wouldn't be trying to buy something if i could never find it. Maybe i should say the name of it 3 times as if it's like Bettlejuice and will appear.

you think it's fine now, i don't. yet you're hard set to prevent it from being truly useful. almost as if you have an agenda.

anyone can claim they aren't in a guild for profit, while actually being in one so forgive me if i won't take your word for it.

And yes, I am on a Trading Guild and have millions of gold in my account. If there was an AH though, I would have even more gold as I'd have, with a few friends with just as deep pockets, completely taken over the market for gold refinement materials. 4 Items we can easily monopolize and play with the price? Easy... I had monopoly of every gem in the market in WoW and it wasn't that hard, ESO would be easy compared.

idk · July 2016

potirondb16_ESO wrote: »

The biggest issue about guild store right now is the inflation it creates, most people don't even bother about the average pricing of there gear and put it out there for a lot more then it's net Worth especially crafting material ... so overall a global price market would be really nice... removing guild vendore from there actual spot and put it all in one place would be a lost.

Inflation? Please do explain in detail as I have not seen any inflation on anything. I have not seen any inflation of anything in game.

If you are talking about people posting items for an absurd amount, that happens regardless of the trading mechanism so it is not an argument that supports anything. With a central trading kiosk I have seen players post crafted and non crafted items for many times what it actually sells for and of course it never sells.

Elsonso · July 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

potirondb16_ESO wrote: »

The biggest issue about guild store right now is the inflation it creates, most people don't even bother about the average pricing of there gear and put it out there for a lot more then it's net Worth especially crafting material ... so overall a global price market would be really nice... removing guild vendore from there actual spot and put it all in one place would be a lost.

Inflation? Please do explain in detail as I have not seen any inflation on anything. I have not seen any inflation of anything in game.

If you are talking about people posting items for an absurd amount, that happens regardless of the trading mechanism so it is not an argument that supports anything. With a central trading kiosk I have seen players post crafted and non crafted items for many times what it actually sells for and of course it never sells.

Inflation is there, at least on PC NA, but it is not that bad. When I started, iron ore sold for 16 g each. Almost all the mats were in that range. Things have spread out a bit and iron ore sells for somewhere around 20 g now.

Inflation is driven by people farming gold to pay for the kiosks, coupled with what is likely more gold in the market due to more players. It balances out because the kiosks are removing that excess gold.

jedtb16_ESO · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

you could do what i think most people do... i know i did - loot the recipe. if its for a writ it will be a green recipe, they really aren't hard to find.

edit to add.... i'm not in a trading guild and i think the system works just fine as it is - give or take a tweak of the ui.

for someone who has the nerve to call anyone who wants a proper trading system lazy, you sure do like to hand out lazy responses.

loot the recipe.... why didn't i think of that? Oh wait, i did. I wouldn't be trying to buy something if i could never find it. Maybe i should say the name of it 3 times as if it's like Bettlejuice and will appear.

you think it's fine now, i don't. yet you're hard set to prevent it from being truly useful. almost as if you have an agenda.

anyone can claim they aren't in a guild for profit, while actually being in one so forgive me if i won't take your word for it.

where did i use the word 'lazy'? i was just pointing out something to you that you may have missed.

despite your cynicism i am not in a trading guild.... for one simple reason - it is not necessary for making a lot of gold. i farm things that people are likely to want to buy....then i sell them via world chat.

it's really easy.

by doing that i often make more on an item that i was expecting - back in the day it was perfect roe. world shout 'wts perfect roe x10' and get 8 or 10 people whispering offers - take the highest bid - you have your auction, a real auction not a phoney auction house that can be easily manipulated.

or maybe that is your agenda - you want an auction house that you can manipulate.

Viveun · July 2016

I thoroughly enjoy the current trade system. I easily spend 75% of my game play strictly on the market. I’m good at it – nay, I’m better than that. It’s fun to me. I do enjoy being a multi-millionaire. And I would not be the least bit hindered if we switched to a global AH. Why? Because I have the capital to dominate it, and I would no longer need to worry about investing millions of my personal wealth to keep my guild’s trading stall (did I mention that trader bids are the most ingenious and successful gold sink I’ve ever seen employed in an MMO?).

I tell you the first thing I’d do. I’d buy every robust agility ring on the market immediately. You would never see them priced below 200k again. I’d take advantage of the short deflation that would occur on gold tempers as all supply became centralized and I would hoard them. Sharpened elegant swords? Mine. I would have so much fun doing what I enjoy doing, and the casual player would suffer for it.

And I know all the non-traders who look down on my kind of game play would immediately label me as malicious and manipulative simply because my “grind” is different than theirs. But that’s really not it at all. I actually go out of my way to help my community with navigating the current system, securing traders, and growing their own wealth. I simply find the highest entertainment value in ESO comes with playing the market, and this would not change with the implementation of an AH.

Now if we could talk about the actual issue here, which is not inaccessibility. It’s the poorly designed UI that almost punishes console users due to a complete lack of mods. ZOS please give us a search mechanic at the bare minimum for goodness sake. There’s no excuse for the utter lack of functionality after all this time.

Skcarkden · July 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

you could do what i think most people do... i know i did - loot the recipe. if its for a writ it will be a green recipe, they really aren't hard to find.

edit to add.... i'm not in a trading guild and i think the system works just fine as it is - give or take a tweak of the ui.

for someone who has the nerve to call anyone who wants a proper trading system lazy, you sure do like to hand out lazy responses.

loot the recipe.... why didn't i think of that? Oh wait, i did. I wouldn't be trying to buy something if i could never find it. Maybe i should say the name of it 3 times as if it's like Bettlejuice and will appear.

you think it's fine now, i don't. yet you're hard set to prevent it from being truly useful. almost as if you have an agenda.

anyone can claim they aren't in a guild for profit, while actually being in one so forgive me if i won't take your word for it.

where did i use the word 'lazy'? i was just pointing out something to you that you may have missed.

despite your cynicism i am not in a trading guild.... for one simple reason - it is not necessary for making a lot of gold. i farm things that people are likely to want to buy....then i sell them via world chat.

it's really easy.

by doing that i often make more on an item that i was expecting - back in the day it was perfect roe. world shout 'wts perfect roe x10' and get 8 or 10 people whispering offers - take the highest bid - you have your auction, a real auction not a phoney auction house that can be easily manipulated.

or maybe that is your agenda - you want an auction house that you can manipulate.

i mistook your response to me as being the original person i was responding to, my bad.

My agenda would be an actual ability to buy things i'm after without the irony if having better luck to just go hunt it myself.

I'm so glad you are in a position to boast about being able to type out sales. I made the mistake of going for console to hang out with friends, if i'd known how crap the trading would be i might have just gone PC, or none and save myself the commitment. Perhaps we should argue that trading in chat should be banned as it circumvents the bizarre system they have going here if we really wanna fight against non-issues.

Semner · July 2016

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Above are some people with hundreds of thousands of gold and are worried that they'll seem less rich in a working system.

Trade is broken. Don't lie. It's broke

I read this far into the topic and had to stop from laughing. Hundreds of thousands of gold is rich? Hahahaha. Oh man, dude, if you only knew. If you only knew.

grom1024 · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all.

For recipes, just check a tavern. They sell recipes for provisioning writs. Usually one vendor for drinks and other for food recipes. These vendors might be located in different buildings in some cities. At least it works on PC version.

Viveun · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

My agenda would be an actual ability to buy things i'm after without the irony if having better luck to just go hunt it myself.

I'm so glad you are in a position to boast about being able to type out sales. I made the mistake of going for console to hang out with friends, if i'd known how crap the trading would be i might have just gone PC, or none and save myself the commitment. Perhaps we should argue that trading in chat should be banned as it circumvents the bizarre system they have going here if we really wanna fight against non-issues.

An issue which could be resolved by improving the functionality of our current UI. It is frustrating digging through hundreds of listings for a specific recipe/motif.

I also really enjoy the community on console and hang out with friends. I'm merely representing the unpopular villain in this argument. I see a lot of people who want a global AH demonizing my playstyle - when that's really all it is, a difference in playstyle. No more inferior or superior to yours. I think I can speak for a lot of players who fall on my spectrum when I say that the integration of a global AH would not be to do the detriment of the wealthy. We would adjust. But the economy would suffer. Hyperinflation is the inevitable downfall of all MMO economies. The current system just makes that progression slower.

Makkir · July 2016

grom1024 wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

As for the majority base there is no way of knowing where the majority stands on this issue. A very small percentage of players actually post to these forums and this issue is usually split mostly even when a thread gets posted. You are lucky if you get twenty peoples opinions in a thread like this and twenty is nowhere near a majority.

Let's add AH to the game and let people vote with their feet. This would be most objective research.

I don't walk into MacDonalds and rally the customers to vote that they serve shrimp. If you don't like what ZOS servers on it's platter...then, well, WoW has an auction house.

Makkir · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

You dont have to craft the food yourself btw. You can spend less than like 300 gold to buy a few of the food/drinks you need.

FearlessOne_2014 · July 2016

[snip]

Yeah you do not want these "Rich corrupt" players getting their hands on a global action house. Then not even to mention the flood of Gold farmers flocking back to ESO. Nah I'm good with it the way that it is.

[edited for baiting]

grom1024 · July 2016

Viveun wrote: »

I thoroughly enjoy the current trade system. I easily spend 75% of my game play strictly on the market. I’m good at it – nay, I’m better than that. It’s fun to me. I do enjoy being a multi-millionaire.

Good luck to you. I do not like that aspect of the game, and spending more than 1% for me is waste of time.

Viveun wrote: »

I tell you the first thing I’d do. I’d buy every robust agility ring on the market immediately. You would never see them priced below 200k again. I’d take advantage of the short deflation that would occur on gold tempers as all supply became centralized and I would hoard them. Sharpened elegant swords? Mine. I would have so much fun doing what I enjoy doing, and the casual player would suffer for it.

For casual player, you would actually do a great service by buying out robust agility rings. There are too much of people in vet dungeons with less that 18K HP even with food buff.

I also would benefit. I'll just offer farmed rings 1g less then you, and I'll have almost immediate sale. I would even test if you'll buy it at loss, in other game I earned quite much to person that seems tried to establish monopoly. I also will know that you will buy temper from me quickly and at high price. I need it only so much to upgrade own equipment. That is also nice to know. Just keep it hoarded. You want to get gold off other people's efforts. Nice. I'll look for the ways of making gold off you. The biggest problem with gold in this game, that it has limited applicability. There is only so much ways to make character stronger using gold and the increase is relatively minor.

For casual player, all goods on guild store do not make game changing difference. They are not going to notice few percent change. BoP equipment has much higher effect. Hardcore players will be able to earn enough money, also because you made effort to maintain prices high on range of goods. I'm getting about 100K per week w/o putting major effort into trading, by just doing dungeons and quests and selling loot. I would made greater than 300K if I would spend more time per day on activities that are not so interesting to me. High price on AH would benefit me, as I'll just need to undercut a bit to get a fast sale for dungeon loot to impatients or to you.

Beardimus · July 2016

.The AH camp keep assuming that its only sellers (quoted as "exploiters / cronies" etc ( LOL ) that are voting remain. Im keen for it to stay how it is as a BUYER. Right now deals.can be had if you put in effort, all that goes away if you make that whole side of the game dull with a AH

as a seller I would make MORE money with AH as I always have to chance what I list things for and generally sell way too cheap especially if I don't know.how strong a trader position is.

but despote lost income I much prefer the system as it is now for both... It rewards time, effort and research!!!! Like all areas of the game!! Not sure why people don't want to put effort in, every one wants everything easy and instant......

Beardimus · July 2016

Ok so brief review of the more recent posts for and against and I may start to see another reason its so polarising. Its such a broad game - camp A don't really get how camp B want to play. Some people just fish!! Some read all the lore, some only PvP, some only trade etc

It appears that those wanting AH don't really see trading as part of the game. Its like trading / purchasing is actually in the way to them getting on and into a dungeon or whatever. Hence the hate of putting in that small % of more effort. But they fail to realise that for a portion of people, trading is a huge part of the game. In fact I know guys that purely do trade. As both sellers and buyers.

It's like me saying Im a trader and why isn't all the vet dungeons easier so I can get more loot to sell? Dungeons are in my way to trading...... Sound ridiculous right. But its the same point reversed. Why ruin one camps game style just for your own ease. Unreal.

Grao · July 2016

@Viveun that is the wrong approach. First thing would be to create a guild with about 10 people or so in different time zones that would work together with you to dominate the market completely. That would be my first step, select a group of friends with rather deep pockets for the needed starting capital.

Next I'd go for every gold material in the game. I understand the idea of wanting to monopolize the trade of certain gear pieces, but gear loses value rather suddenly, gold on the other hand, or in this case, gold materials, will always be relevant and extremely necessary. Buy everything that is available, adding to the already silly amount of gold mats I have hoarded and with the help of my guildy friends, sell them on the auction house, constantly undercutting anyone that dares to try and sell their product over ours until prices are low enough for another full buy out.

The reason to involve friends here goes beyond needing more gold, but also having people online at different times of the day, which is really important to gain full control over a market and completely crush the competition. Besides, anything done in a MMO is more fun with friends that share your interests. ^^

Viveun · July 2016

@Grao Lmao. That is a better strategy, but I make my killing in niche equipment sales. Smaller market would be easier for me and a couple close friends to maintain a hold on.

@grom1024 And that's fantastic, but as I said before, it's the casual player who would suffer at the hands of a global AH, not old wealth or end gamers. I could honestly go either way with the AH.

grom1024 · July 2016

Grao wrote: »

Next I'd go for every gold material in the game. I understand the idea of wanting to monopolize the trade of certain gear pieces, but gear loses value rather suddenly, gold on the other hand, or in this case, gold materials, will always be relevant and extremely necessary. Buy everything that is available, adding to the already silly amount of gold mats I have hoarded and with the help of my guildy friends, sell them on the auction house, constantly undercutting anyone that dares to try and sell their product over ours until prices are low enough for another full buy out.

I have seen people gone belly up with that in other game, they complained about "bad" people on the chat. It just requires other group with money to post sufficiently undercut price, so you would underundercut, they buy goods at that price and sell them when market is up again. Those who actually need goods, will buy them at active phase of trade war. For each strategy is there is a counter-strategy. Also, there is still zone/guild chat possibility for sales which you could not control. Just do not think much of yourself. Play your trade mini-games, and most of people even will not notice you. With sufficiently high trade tax, your problem of having too much gold on the hands will be solved eventually.

Also, I personally never bought temper from stores as I'm getting more from refining materials and writs than I spend, so good luck hoarding it. I might have upgraded something week or so earlier, but I'm in no hurry. Difference between purple and gold item is small.

jedtb16_ESO · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

why do people keep making these darn threads? the answer is always no, get off your lazy bum and search for your item XD

Alright then, tell me right now where i can find all the provisioning writ recipes on PS4 NA. Nothing says 'broken system' than accepting a daily writ that demands you make something you first need to find the recipe to unlock, but to do that you have to spend a lifetime searching vendors with no real way of even knowing if ANYONE is even selling it all. I go to plenty of vendors and notice they usually stick to a theme, weapons, armour, refined materials, no raw smithing mats etc.

to this day i have NEVER completed a provisioning writ because of this broken system.

Why do you keep complaining about a simple request for a very basic feature that every other MMO has the right idea to implement? Lemme guess, you're in one of the guilds taking advantage of everyone?

you could do what i think most people do... i know i did - loot the recipe. if its for a writ it will be a green recipe, they really aren't hard to find.

edit to add.... i'm not in a trading guild and i think the system works just fine as it is - give or take a tweak of the ui.

for someone who has the nerve to call anyone who wants a proper trading system lazy, you sure do like to hand out lazy responses.

loot the recipe.... why didn't i think of that? Oh wait, i did. I wouldn't be trying to buy something if i could never find it. Maybe i should say the name of it 3 times as if it's like Bettlejuice and will appear.

you think it's fine now, i don't. yet you're hard set to prevent it from being truly useful. almost as if you have an agenda.

anyone can claim they aren't in a guild for profit, while actually being in one so forgive me if i won't take your word for it.

where did i use the word 'lazy'? i was just pointing out something to you that you may have missed.

despite your cynicism i am not in a trading guild.... for one simple reason - it is not necessary for making a lot of gold. i farm things that people are likely to want to buy....then i sell them via world chat.

it's really easy.

by doing that i often make more on an item that i was expecting - back in the day it was perfect roe. world shout 'wts perfect roe x10' and get 8 or 10 people whispering offers - take the highest bid - you have your auction, a real auction not a phoney auction house that can be easily manipulated.

or maybe that is your agenda - you want an auction house that you can manipulate.

i mistook your response to me as being the original person i was responding to, my bad.

My agenda would be an actual ability to buy things i'm after without the irony if having better luck to just go hunt it myself.

I'm so glad you are in a position to boast about being able to type out sales. I made the mistake of going for console to hang out with friends, if i'd known how crap the trading would be i might have just gone PC, or none and save myself the commitment. Perhaps we should argue that trading in chat should be banned as it circumvents the bizarre system they have going here if we really wanna fight against non-issues.

i agree that the ui/functionality of guild trades needs improvement, certainly on pc - can't speak for ps4 or xbox, never used either of them.

but the combined system of guild trade and open world trade works well - note: the functionality of the interface and the trade system itself are separate things.

my world chat sales bit was not a boast. it was a demonstration of how it is possible to make good sales without being in a trade guild - because there seems to be a widespread delusion, amongst the proponents of an auction house, that the only way you can make good sales is by paying a fee to be in a trade guild...that is not the case.

same for buying stuff - a year or so back i need 1 recipe for the full set. i was in a couple of social guilds at the time and offered 20k if anyone could find it for me, no luck - was in wayrest a few days later did a world shout and was offered it for 100 gold. that is a functional system.

auction houses can be gamed and are gamed by people (there are a couple of particularly eloquent ones in this thread) who see trade as an integral part of the game. the gold made is how you keep score. the system as it stands could be gamed but it would be incredibly difficult to do - probably impossible for one person. it works, keep it as it is but fix the ui.

grom1024 · July 2016

Viveun wrote: »

@grom1024 And that's fantastic, but as I said before, it's the casual player who would suffer at the hands of a global AH, not old wealth or end gamers. I could honestly go either way with the AH.

Anything below cp160 is mostly temporary, so it does not worth major investing efforts into, as equipment needs complete replacement each 4 levels/40 cp for dungeons. Zone content is easy enough to pass with quest gear or 3-trait crafter gear, sets like seducer are actually very nice and usable even in end-game. Random normal is good source of XP, and it does not have too-high requirements for equipment. Cp160 is already end-game and equipment starts flow in, even some veteran dungeons are possible at this point provided that other party members are strong enough.

So casual player would not notice any problems. Even more, these players even benefit from access to low-level sets. I remember some nice sets parts are falling around level 20, but I had not bothered to buy complete set, because crafted set was ok and looking for parts in guild stores were too bothersome even with addons. I would rather sold it on AH or bought a complete set if it were possible. Currently it is nearly impossible to sell such goods. I suspect that they only bought for trait research.

So for casuals it would be better too, because they will be able to buy narrow niche products. For example, I now sell cp100 rings from silver zones to NPC, because they sell really bad and occupy a slots in guild store. AH would have allowed for more diversity in goods. Rich guilds could try to control it, but the effort would be futile, few will pay high price for items that expire in 2 levels. Currently items stuck in guild stores because they could not be located by those who need it. Every guild store has about the same set of items with little diversity.

grom1024 · July 2016

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

my world chat sales bit was not a boast. it was a demonstration of how it is possible to make good sales without being in a trade guild - because there seems to be a widespread delusion, amongst the proponents of an auction house, that the only way you can make good sales is by paying a fee to be in a trade guild...that is not the case.

same for buying stuff - a year or so back i need 1 recipe for the full set. i was in a couple of social guilds at the time and offered 20k if anyone could find it for me, no luck - was in wayrest a few days later did a world shout and was offered it for 100 gold. that is a functional system.

auction houses can be gamed and are gamed by people (there are a couple of particularly eloquent ones in this thread) who see trade as an integral part of the game. the gold made is how you keep score. the system as it stands could be gamed but it would be incredibly difficult to do - probably impossible for one person. it works, keep it as it is but fix the ui.

Guild stores and chat sales works for items that universal. But about about niche items (level 20 sets for example), try to sell them in guild store or on the chat. You would have found your recipe much faster on AH just because it is possible to put low demand items and still sell them. Games happen on AH, but I do not see them as game stoppers. There are greater problems on the marked IRL, but we live with it.

BlackEar · July 2016

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