dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Yep, flipping is just wrong.
It screws the little guy, just like in the real world.

See,
And she's not even playing ESO...

So Jody Foster is now an economist ? This is who we get advice from now ? Wow , we're worse off then I thought ...

Yeah, because the "experts" have done such a great job managing things... Which they have, as far as they're concerned, the rich are richer than ever and the poor just as poor as ever, exactly the way rich and powerful people like it, makes it easier for them to hold onto their power and money.

@Roehamad_Ali, @Lucius_Aelius got it.
Clever one, eh?

Most clever

Makkir wrote: »

@Lucius_Aelius I just noticed we are in the same trade guild on Xbox1....secret sauce. My wife primarily plays on XB as I do on PC, but sometimes I drop on for some casual fun.

I was thinking about a video series for the casual gamers in ESO on how to get the most out of it...PvP, gold making, etc.

I wouldn't call myself a casual gamer, it's a hobby I'm quite dedicated to and I always play to win, just because I'm not interested in having multiple accounts and whatnot doesn't make me a casual gamer. Not insulted or anything, but the shoe doesn't fit in this case, and it does injustice to my and others' positions to relegate us as casuals just because we're not going as far as you in making Gold, which isn't necessarily what you're doing but it seems kind of like it is, if not then nevermind.

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

@Lucius_Aelius I just noticed we are in the same trade guild on Xbox1....secret sauce. My wife primarily plays on XB as I do on PC, but sometimes I drop on for some casual fun.

I was thinking about a video series for the casual gamers in ESO on how to get the most out of it...PvP, gold making, etc.

I wouldn't call myself a casual gamer, it's a hobby I'm quite dedicated to and I always play to win, just because I'm not interested in having multiple accounts and whatnot doesn't make me a casual gamer. Not insulted or anything, but the shoe doesn't fit in this case, and it does injustice to my and others' positions to relegate us as casuals just because we're not going as far as you in making Gold, which isn't necessarily what you're doing but it seems kind of like it is, if not then nevermind.

My "gold making" strategy has always been: Kill everything, sell all the white and green loot, decon blues and purples, put set pieces for sale even if they are only going to sell for 100g, gather all the things in my path and just enjoy the game in general.

I also don't necessarily rush to the newest gear when new content comes out. I weigh my options first while gathering mats and by the time I've made a decision I have enough mats to gear up (or in this case, I've hoarded enough CP120-160 gear over time to gear up my new max-level characters). If the gear set up works out, it gets improved to gold.

AlnilamE wrote: »

And yes, Akaviri pages. There are so many crafters out there that don't PvP. I'm working on enough AP to get my last page (which I'd have if I could bank the AP on my 4 characters that PvP), but I have friends who have asked me to get them pages when I have the AP to spare. I'm sure there are many more people out there just waiting for the Akaviri pages to be put up for sale.

/waves hand

That would be me.

Though I feel your paint about the RNG gods. They are indeed evil and hate us all, but it's an MMO. You have to expect some level of grind. To be honest, there really is very little grind in this game. Usually only takes 1 or 2 weeks (with the exception of maelstrom weapons LOL) to get gear you want. In the scheme of things that's really a small amount of time.

If you want to know what REAL grind is play a korean game. I have played 3 or 4 of them in my life time and ESO grind is NOTHING compared to a korean MMO grind. Be thankful

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Its a MMO, thats how they work.... maybe farmville would suits your needs better.

What works, flipping stuff?
It should be forbidden.

No, no it shouldn't. It's an integral part of any economy.


GrumpStump

GrumpStump wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Its a MMO, thats how they work.... maybe farmville would suits your needs better.

What works, flipping stuff?
It should be forbidden.

No, no it shouldn't. It's an integral part of any economy.


GrumpStump

It's a despicable way of enriching yourself on the backs of others, and by doing so, you 'steal' from these traders and limit the poor players.
It's basically an exploit.

Tryxus wrote: »

I just spent the last of my gold on creating some purple gear and gold weapons for my Mag DK, all with gold enchants...

That 100k I've been saving up in the bank... which took me 4 whole days... gone

Oh boy, i have like 80K, and I did V10 levels to get that...
What game are you folks playing?

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Outside of the initial box price, you can have a second acct for free...you dont need to be eso+

And while I posted about my craglorn setup you can see that doesnt really have much to do with guild store sales....the 27k from doing writs isnt reflected in guild store sales. those sales come from selling hot items and flipping other items.
Hot items= lich pieces, willpower and agility rings, motifs, etc.

it doesnt take more than an hour or two for you to farm hews bane and gold coast bosses for motifs and rack up a nice chunk of gold.

By the way, i still think your AP is better spent on the motifs than the rng bags if youre looking to make gold.

I'm on Xbox, so I'd need Xbox Live on any second account (and I'm not rich so I can't just throw money around like that, expenses add up and even $60 on something so completely excessive and mostly useless just isn't practical), which isn't even the only reason I wouldn't want to bother (no one should have to have a second account just to get the most out of a video game).

Actually, you only require Xbox Live on one account, if the box is set as primary for that account. If you wanted to run it on two boxes at the same time, the account with Live has to play on its non-primary box. (I don't have Live; husband does, and we play together).

I agree with your statement that it should not be necessary! Just wanted to let you know that it would be possible.

...huh? No, you definitely can't do that, or at least I can't do that. I had a Trial work like that once, but my Xbox Live Gold membership absolutely does not spill over to other accounts on my xbox, I've tried and it doesn't work.

Is the Xbox One set as the primary console for your account with Xbox Live?

I don't have Xbox Live, and I play ESO on Xbox, because the console is set as my husband's primary console. We even play together at the same time, I use his primary Xbox and he uses the spare.

It works the same for PS+ on Playstation. My account has the PS+ and he gets to play online on the PvP because it's my account's primary PS4. He can even use his account to play my "free" monthly games.

If there's something I'm not doing then that's an eye opener for sure, but I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be set as my primary system, it's the only system I've ever played on (apart from my 360) and I set it up to log me in automatically when I start the Xbox. Before this week the only other account on my Xbox was my Friend's that I made for him to use while we play together on my system, and also had him play ESO a bit trying to get him into it (hard barrier to entry though and he doesn't have his own Xbox), and that account wasn't even on my system for a while after I first got it, so I don't see how my Profile wouldn't have it set as my main system.

That's the sort of thing I would absolutely have chosen to enable given the chance, and if the option is anywhere on the console clearly labeled then I'm certain I'd have done just that. If not, this is one hell of a major oversight on my part, that's for damn sure.

A quote from way back from me:

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

We "older folks" have been around since the first games.
We grew up through various stages of both technology and improved software.
I guess, it's "our thing", but many a youngling jump in.
Not bad, I think.

Differene between "hardcore" and "casuals" is not just the time one puts into a game, it also reflects on the mental institute of said player.
A "Hardcore" needs to have the very best at all times, while "Casuals" are happy whith much less gear.
Surely a "casual" can appreciate top gear, but he will not likely aim for it.
"Casuals" don't seem to think too deeply into builds, gear, respeccing, he only cares for fun.
And the clashes between both groups now resided a lot, but it could be hard at times.
Another class are role Players.
These give no dang about the previous and whatever they do, to them, it's their character, and it's environment.
And nothing else matters... according to Metallica.

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

learn how to play in the market.

How can I, donating all to my guilds???

Makkir wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

GrumpStump wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Its a MMO, thats how they work.... maybe farmville would suits your needs better.

What works, flipping stuff?
It should be forbidden.

No, no it shouldn't. It's an integral part of any economy.


GrumpStump

It's a despicable way of enriching yourself on the backs of others, and by doing so, you 'steal' from these traders and limit the poor players.
It's basically an exploit.

Why don't you lecture others about selling stuff too low? News flash- an item is worth what a consumer is willing to pay for it. It's not like you don't have access to this stuff...you are more than capable to go farm mats for yourself.

You can't have what everyone else has without the expectation of working hard for it.

I'm trying not to go there myself, and believe me it's not easy, I said my piece enough earlier and don't think this line of discussion has any relevance to the conversation in the thread. I only started talking to you because I was incredulous of making so much, and don't think it's right to think others are automatically doing it wrong by not wanting to invest the tremendous effort you do to not be poor in the game.

I only just recently finished maxing out my bank and my second character's inventory, so I'm poor currently (about 40k I think) just for that, and I do alright in my guild stores, doing all my writs on my Main and currently leveling my crafting on my first alt, which only has Provisioning maxed so far (it was the easiest), and now that I have my own Guild Bank inventory management isn't nearly as problematic, I should have done that a year ago. Now I'm putting all my enchantments I get on my Main into my Guild Bank for easy transfer, previously it took an excessive amount of juggling to transfer any significant amount of items between characters.

So I'm well on my way to doing many of the things you suggest, and agree that you've offered helpful advice to anyone seeking to make money even if I think it's a bit underhanded and kind of mean to other people, forcing them to pay more than they should based on the item's worth just so you can make a profit.

It works better than anything else we've been able to come up with, so there's no ground to stand on by suggesting we should just switch to something else and hope for the best, that would likely prove disastrous. We can't get anywhere by arguing about it though, and it'd be nice if we could honestly and openly discuss how to make improvements in our society, both in game and without, and not have it devolve into vitriol and namecalling.

As for ESO, I honestly don't think there's any point in changing things, I've been thinking about it since posting in this thread and there's really no good way for ZOS to regulate this economy any better, I think it's fine as is. Paying with Gold shouldn't be the best way to get things in a video game, it cheapens the experience of earning things yourself, and if you want the convenience of paying the Gold price instead of the Iron Price *wink* then you should expect to have to pay for it. And as you said, people pay what they're willing to, so there is a limit to how far it can go, eventually people would just be turned away from buying and go earn things themselves, which if anything would hurt all sellers permanently because you'd have fewer people buying once you force everyone to be more self-sufficient (or even drive them away from the game completely).

Ultimately the politics discussion is irrelevant to this discussion because this is a Video game, not real life, and as such you don't have a right to have things be affordable, it's an entirely different situation than the real world, and I see no reason to change it. And if anything it can be healthy to have people doing that, there's a tendency for people to price things for less than they're worth, or also pricing them intentionally just under the price of another player which incrementally drives prices down and everyone makes less money than they should be for the work they put into acquiring the things they're selling. It can certainly get out of hand with stuff being sold for more than it should be, but better that than having the entire economy tank because of constant underselling.

[Removed discussion of real-world politics]