Veteran Maelstrom Arena Weapons in DB

InfaM · May 2016

@Artis

Artis wrote: »

"VMA weapon drop rate is fine, there's no issue, I never completed it but I like the idea of an endless grind for BIS weapon, it's super fun to know that people who spent hundred of hours doing hundred of runs (which I'll never do lol) are still at the same point as me with a nirnhorned weapon I really like that maelstrom weapon are gifted according to your luck only and I don't want a combination of RNG + tokens to be implemented because they will finally get a chance to see their accomplishement rewarded and get their weapons while I'll still don't have my maelstrom weapon because I can't/don't want to complete it "

One last thing just for the fun of finishing you, here's some of your quotes on another topic that show how much of a joke you are.
You seems more concerned about effort spent earning titles, than effort for maelstrom weapon, I guess you can actively farm useless titles while you're not able to complete VMA

What works for title can be applied for VMA RNG issue , oh no I forgot you're so altruistic that you don't care about your personnal rewards, what matters is the future of the game, which in fact is nothing more but what you are able to accomplish in the game and what you are unable to.

Artis wrote: »

You then are not consistent and are being a hypocrite

Lil introduction

Artis wrote: »

but there is more people liking my point of view than people liking your point of view. So again, why shouldn't we make the change that will make game better for more players

That's what you said in an account shared achievement thread, so why are you not following the same logic about maelstrom weapons and token while you're clearly the minority here ?

Artis wrote: »

We pay as much as you do and there's more of us. So, ZOS, don't listen to these griefers please. They just don't want us to have fun and want everyone to do dumb, unnecessary stuff, just because THEY enjoy it.

We = Majority requesting tokens, griefers = you, it's just obvious that you're a troll here, funny to see how fast you can try and fail to turn a situation in your favor and act in a totally different way in same context and equivalent situation.
So if we follow your advice, ZOS shouldn't listen to you, as you are the griefer in that thread, so with the help of your own words and your established troll profile , you can finally understand why I don't give a *** about your opinion anymore in that thread.

Artis wrote: »

Not at all dumb. It's the player who spent effort, not the character. But the main thing - nothing would change for you. For all you know, I DID get that title on the character you see me online with and using it. And well I did spent 100% of the effort so I deserve having that title. It's just more convenient for me and it doesn't ruin your immersion or doesn't change anything for you, so there's no reason not to change it.

That's your "account shared achievement thread" version , you're totally supporting a system that rewards effort.

Artis wrote: »

"LOL that's the problem with kids these days. They thing they deserve something just because they spend effort."

Now that's your "VMA thread" version, now you're totally against a system that rewards effort , both your version are totally matching and show how much of an objective point of view you bring in your *** post....

Artis wrote: »

You can still enjoy having a pole in your ass all you want. Why do you reject other people's right not to? We don't ask to take this option away from you. We ask not to keep it mandatory for us.

That RNG that you love so much is so well described by that pole and how much you defend/support it while we want a token system to get rid of it.

Artis wrote: »

Why? Why should I do that? That's inconvenient and not fun. I've done it once, I want to have fun and do something new all the time.

And yet you dare to come to VMA thread and tell everybody who spent hundred of hours farming that place for no reward that it's a fairly small amount of time and that it's still supposed to be fun after hundred of hours while you already bored to have spent half than what we spent in VMA to farm useless title...

Artis wrote: »

And no, the purpose of the game is not to just waste time. The purpose is to spend time having fun!

But you're still defending that endless grind in VMA and that perma RNG because you suddently think it's fun to waste time when it comes to VMA ?
When you come to that thread, you just change your mind like an hyprocrite right ? and you spread bu**sh*t because you're not a VMA farmer and you're afraid to be left behind by people who are able to farm it and at some point be rewarded for their accomplishement if tokens were ever added to the game.

Artis wrote: »

It's not how much effort I spend on a character. It's look how good of a player I am, how much dps/hps I can do and how good my skill is that I can complete this and that trials.

But yet you're against rewarding people for being good and able to successfully complete VMA hundred of times.

It shows how much fake you are , you are just a troll in fact , you're like a b**ch changing his mind with no real convictions and trying to makes his ineffectual arguments match his lies.

! I'm done with you !

Artis · May 2016

@InfaM

Lol are you sane?

That's what you said in an account shared achievement thread, so why are you not following the same logic about maelstrom weapons and token while you're clearly the minority here ?

Read the thread, I said it multiple times, that I don't care and that you won and they already nerfed RNG by buffing the drop rate, so good for you. I still insist that it's a poor decision and the game needs a rare item. The logic doesn't apply because titles are titles and do not affect character's strength and are only wanted by a few people, unlike gear. The majority vs minority logic can be applied, ok, so read the thread and then tell me again that I'm not following it.
You know, replying without reading the thread is just rude.

That's your "account shared achievement thread" version , you're totally supporting a system that rewards effort.

No, I am not totally supporting it. There's a huge difference between achievements and gear. If you dont' see it - you need a doctor, not the forum. Achievements work that way - they say EXACTLY what you need to do and how many times. Forcing players to do it again is dumb. RNG doesn't work that way. You get something if you're lucky. But then again, I bet you didnt' read that thread just like this one.

First do your homework, then come back and argue with adults.

Now that's your "VMA thread" version, now you're totally against a system that rewards effort , both your version are totally matching and show how much of an objective point of view you bring in your *** post....

Because looting a particular item from a boss was never about effort in no successful MMO. Your effort is rewarded with leaderboard score, soul gems, pots and other sets that drop in vMA. You are not entitled to a specific reward. If you don't like it - just don't run vMA.

That RNG that you love so much is so well described by that pole and how much you defend/support it while we want a token system to get rid of it.

Again, read the thread before accusing people of things. Token system is fine. Just not for every single item. There should be a few % of items that are rare. Tokens guarantee items, that's good for a "catch up" gear, but not for end-game most powerful items. That devalues them greatly.

And yet you dare to come to VMA thread and tell everybody who spent hundred of hours farming that place for no reward that it's a fairly small amount of time and that it's still supposed to be fun after hundred of hours while you already bored to have spent half than what we spent in VMA to farm useless title...

It's not about real time, it's about time in long scale. People here would say 20-30 tokens. If that's 1 token per run, that means most people would have weps within a week. The rest - within a month or few. If you want, we can do math together, with Gaussian curve and all that and estimate how fast 90%, for example, of players who run vMA will have weapons.
It definitely doesn't sustain the rarity of the item long term. You aren't supposed to have every player in a trial team to run this item. Think of wow legendary weapons.

And yes, of title>gear. Gear become old after new gear comes out. Title stays forever. I'm so glad I didn't waste a single of my time EXPECTING to get master weps from vDSA. I did get some that I didn't use, but I just didn't care. You spend way too much time on that and on whining like a little female dog on forums.

But you're still defending that endless grind in VMA and that perma RNG because you suddently think it's fun to waste time when it comes to VMA ?
When you come to that thread, you just change your mind like an hyprocrite right ? and you spread *** because you're not a VMA farmer and you're afraid to be left behind by people who are able to farm it and at some point be rewarded for their accomplishement if tokens were ever added to the game.

Of course, because it's not the same thing. VMA is fun. If you are a PVE player - you enjoy the endgame PVE content and vMA is just that. You get gear if RNG is on your side, sometimes you don't. You don't need vMA gear for anything, that IS the hardest and the most personal skill demanding content in the game right now. If you don't enjoy PVE - don't do PVE. If you don't enjoy vMA - don't do vMA, simple as that.

No it's not like a hypocrite. These are two completely different things - achievements and gear. You are not supposed and not guaranteed to get any specific item from any boss in any dungeon. It always was like that. You knew that well before you started farming vMA. I run vMA regularly, because it's fun. When I don't have time or feel like doing something else - I'm doing something else.

And you are rewarded, you got lots of weapons. I bet you got the type you wanted too. But you want a specific type AND a specific trait handed to you. In that case you should go and fornicate with yourself.

But yet you're against rewarding people for being good and able to successfully complete VMA hundred of times.

I'm not, run it 100 times, get loot/dice roll 100 times - that's your reward. You aren't supposed to be guaranteed to get a specific item. You get score and additional roll for the weekly, you get all other loot. You are rewarded.
You are asking to reward the effort, not the skill. To have a guarantee that you will get an item if you run arena 100 times. THen what's the difference between you running it 100 times and someone worse running it 100 times?

It shows how much fake you are , you are just a troll in fact , you're like a b**ch changing his mind with no real convictions and trying to makes his arguments match his lies.

I'm not changing my mind. They are two completely different threads and I have different opinions about them. They are not the same so the same logic/conclusion simply doesn't apply to both. No clue what lies you're talking about. Am I supposed to provide a screenshot with the flawless conqueror or something?
You are so obviously committing all types of red herring logical fallacies that it's not even funny.

! I'm done with you !

Of course you are. That distracts you from whining. Besides, you have nothing to say because that cognitive dissonance just paralyzed your brain - omg you really really thought everyone wants for everyone to have master weapons of their choice. And boom - someone spent a lot of time there too and disagrees with you.

Guess I'd say I'm done too, if I was in a situation like yours. It's ok, come back when you're not so butthurt.

mr_wazzabi · May 2016

staracino_ESO wrote: »

Complete the arena -> get a weapon.

Does not have to be right weapon.

Does not have to be right trait.

That is still a 1/36 chance to get the exact thing you are looking for. Worse with the new traits added.

This

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2016

To be fair to all.
1. Artis has indeed completed arena many times.
2. He is a decent player and pulls good dps
3. He is crazy stubborn so arguing with him is pointless. Needless to say he is a very vocal voice of a very very VERY small minority of masochistic players who enjoy being tortured by ZoS's RNG. You can't make him understand the error of his ways, believe me I have tried.
4. Give up trying before you grow so frustrated you want to punch a wall:)

InfaM · May 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

To be fair to all.
1. Artis has indeed completed arena many times.
2. He is a decent player and pulls good dps
3. He is crazy stubborn so arguing with him is pointless. Needless to say he is a very vocal voice of a very very VERY small minority of masochistic players who enjoy being tortured by ZoS's RNG. You can't make him understand the error of his ways, believe me I have tried.
4. Give up trying before you grow so frustrated you want to punch a wall:)

It's not about giving up, a debate is not about who will have the final reply, it's supposed to be constructive at some point, but when it's just about posting/reading the same things over and over again then it does not take the debate forward, it's like an endless copy pasting , it then turns from stubborn to stupid and that's where it's supposed to end for non-troll poster.

I've said what I had to say and I showed him what I had to show , now believe it or not I'm probably not the most frustrated of the 2 in that discussion.

Shadesofkin · May 2016

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

Complete the arena -> get a weapon.

Does not have to be right weapon.

Does not have to be right trait.

That is still a 1/36 chance to get the exact thing you are looking for. Worse with the new traits added.

This

Yep. Heck, make it blue for all I care, but this is the solution if we're not getting a Token system.

LegendaryArcher · May 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_Finn

Artis · May 2016

Well I already agreed that something must be changed. I just disagree that every single item should be guaranteed. vDSA weps weren't such a big deal for all I remember.

And no, Nos, you did get your point across, that's why I agreed. But your idea is not perfect too. And can one make you guys understand the error of your ways?

I'm just saying, that's not how the loot has been seen in MMOs. Gear was never like complete it -> get a specific item you want. You get it sometimes and the intent of that was to make you feel lucky and really appreciate your item. That being said, I have to agree that maybe it's not that great that such a "must have" item is gated behind solo-content.

But you'll be fine, they already said in this thread that the drop rate will be increased. You'll get all your weapons next week. Pretty much everyone will and everyone in your group will have that weapon. Communism ftw, everyone will have the same stuff

InfaM wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

To be fair to all.
1. Artis has indeed completed arena many times.
2. He is a decent player and pulls good dps
3. He is crazy stubborn so arguing with him is pointless. Needless to say he is a very vocal voice of a very very VERY small minority of masochistic players who enjoy being tortured by ZoS's RNG. You can't make him understand the error of his ways, believe me I have tried.
4. Give up trying before you grow so frustrated you want to punch a wall:)

=
I've said what I had to say and I showed him what I had to show , now believe it or not I'm probably not the most frustrated of the 2 in that discussion.

Haha no, no one believes it. The funny thing is that you expect others to see what you show (which they do, you just read the thread), but you don't try to understand what they are saying.

code65536 · May 2016

Artis wrote: »

Once again, those weapons are supposed to be rare. That was the intention starting from vDSA, I won't find it now, but I remember they said it in one of the articles or interviews.

This is a thread where we are calling into question the wisdom, fairness, and health-for-the-game of the developer's intentions and design. Stating that this system is what they intended doesn't change that it's a bad system. All it does is reinforce the notion that the developers are out of touch with what a fun game should look like.

Artis · May 2016

I don't understand why a fun game is a game where every item is guaranteed and everyone has it. It's good for the health of the game to have some segregation between characters and for players to have different gear, not all those twin-builds that we've had.

If everyone is the same - the game becomes boring compared to what it could be.

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2016

Artis wrote: »

I don't understand why a fun game is a game where every item is guaranteed and everyone has it. It's good for the health of the game to have some segregation between characters and for players to have different gear, not all those twin-builds that we've had.

If everyone is the same - the game becomes boring compared to what it could be.

Noone will be the same artis. To be frank I would be shocked if you got on a templar with the same gear as me and outdpsed me. Not because you are a bad player, but because I have so much experience on a templar, since I mained him since launch. Skill much more important and skill is what should separate players.

LegendaryArcher · May 2016

Haha, now it suddenly makes sense why the EpicNPC real money services to place your characters on the vMA weekly require your characters to have Meteor unlocked.

Artis · May 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

I don't understand why a fun game is a game where every item is guaranteed and everyone has it. It's good for the health of the game to have some segregation between characters and for players to have different gear, not all those twin-builds that we've had.

If everyone is the same - the game becomes boring compared to what it could be.

Noone will be the same artis. To be frank I would be shocked if you got on a templar with the same gear as me and outdpsed me. Not because you are a bad player, but because I have so much experience on a templar, since I mained him since launch. Skill much more important and skill is what should separate players.

Also because you spent time as a dps when I was tanking most of the time.

But see, in this case - why not just have everyone lvl50 and with whichever gear they want and just let their skill differentiate them? Because making master weps easily available is the step in this direction.

p.s. maybe templar or dk or whatever is created for me and I'd actually be better with that class than my current class? Some people are better in certain play styles, maybe I haven't even found mine yet

LegendaryArcher · June 2016

Alright, going to go vMA today on Live. If I don't get a Maelstrom weapon, I'm done with this game.
But I'm assuming they didn't increase the drop chance to 100%, just polluted the loot pool with junk traits.

TARAFRAKA · June 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Alright, going to go vMA today on Live. If I don't get a Maelstrom weapon, I'm done with this game.
But I'm assuming they didn't increase the drop chance to 100%, just polluted the loot pool with junk traits.

Wait they increased the drop to 100%? I thought It was 50 50 for jewelry or weapon in the last chest? Freaking garbage.

LegendaryArcher · June 2016

Just ran vMA for the first time after DB release. Uninstalled ESO for good.

ESO punishes you for having skills or investing time. In 200 vMA runs, I haven't seen a single Sharpened Maul, Sharpened Inferno, Sharpened Bow, or Precise Resto. And I know there are many people with 500 runs that haven't gotten their weapon and quit the game. I could name at least 12 that I got to know over the past 2 years that I know quit just because of vMA drop rates. 16, if you count those that quit because of the Undaunted chest drop rates.

My thread on this topic (12 pages) got ignored.

For those still playing ESO or even giving ZOS money: try Black Desert!
A loot system that rewards your effort, time invested, skill and leadership skills; capped RNG (if item X doesn't drop after Y runs, chance of 100% to get it on Y+1 run), items behind uncapped RNG are always BoE.
You're very skilled? You get rewarded. You're investing a lot of time/effort? You get rewarded. You're leading a great guild that is successful? You get rewarded.
Furthermore, better graphics than ESO, bigger world, more RP potential, much less lag, especially in PvP, and a wide variety of content, from very easy to impossibly challenging.

I know there are quite a few people that have gotten their Maelstrom weapons. Some even got them on their first run. If you're one of them, congratulations. But always keep in mind that next update it could be you who will have to invest effort similar to 500 vMA runs and still not get what you're looking for.

Maybe, just maybe, it's just time for a better game.

A big Thank You to everyone who supported me for weeks in trying to convince ZOS to end this nonsense. I've made many good friends in ESO, and will miss quite a few that, sadly, won't be moving with me to Black Desert for good.

I'm out! All the best to all of you! Even those telling me to L2P to solve the RNG issue.

Artis · June 2016

Mail me your stuff, please.

And how nice, there's a solution for everyone unhappy with the system. It was on the surface, how come we didnt' find it? Just go play another game that rewards effort and gives participation rewards. That way you get something just for spending time + zos sees that they're losing players and maybe will change something.

Cuyler · June 2016

@Artis

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Just ran vMA for the first time after DB release. Uninstalled ESO for good.

ESO punishes you for having skills or investing time. In 200 vMA runs, I haven't seen a single Sharpened Maul, Sharpened Inferno, Sharpened Bow, or Precise Resto. And I know there are many people with 500 runs that haven't gotten their weapon and quit the game. I could name at least 12 that I got to know over the past 2 years that I know quit just because of vMA drop rates. 16, if you count those that quit because of the Undaunted chest drop rates.

My thread on this topic (12 pages) got ignored.

For those still playing ESO or even giving ZOS money: try Black Desert!
A loot system that rewards your effort, time invested, skill and leadership skills; capped RNG (if item X doesn't drop after Y runs, chance of 100% to get it on Y+1 run), items behind uncapped RNG are always BoE.
You're very skilled? You get rewarded. You're investing a lot of time/effort? You get rewarded. You're leading a great guild that is successful? You get rewarded.
Furthermore, better graphics than ESO, bigger world, more RP potential, much less lag, especially in PvP, and a wide variety of content, from very easy to impossibly challenging.

I know there are quite a few people that have gotten their Maelstrom weapons. Some even got them on their first run. If you're one of them, congratulations. But always keep in mind that next update it could be you who will have to invest effort similar to 500 vMA runs and still not get what you're looking for.

Maybe, just maybe, it's just time for a better game.

A big Thank You to everyone who supported me for weeks in trying to convince ZOS to end this nonsense. I've made many good friends in ESO, and will miss quite a few that, sadly, won't be moving with me to Black Desert for good.

I'm out! All the best to all of you! Even those telling me to L2P to solve the RNG issue.

QFT

XaXa · June 2016

Just recently completed it... Got a shield and a mace for my dps NB.

Was happy that i at least got something but i honestly have no use for it.

I dont have the time to farm vMA back to back. I dont even have the time to do it in one sitting (im far from earning flawless conqueror). I enjoy running other content over vMA.

Im fine not placing on leaderboards and im fine not having the flawless title (i like the way my stormproof and my baron polymorph look anyway) but why does clearing the hardest content only give me a 50% chance of getting something? Not to mention i cant use it...

Either make it 100% (ill even take semi poop traits if its 100%) or implement a token system.

Hell. If you MUST have RNG you can at least make it so we get 3 or 4 Maelstrom (no doubles please) weapons per completion BUT can only loot one. That would keep the RNG you love so much but would at least increase our chances at getting what we want...

Regardless. Cant wait to bang my head against the last boss over and over again till he drops me another shield.

Justice31st · June 2016

Let's not forget that this game is categorized as an MMO and vMA is only single player content (This is false advertising for their game by ZOS.) Also, locking the best weapons in game behind a paywall (Forced to buy Orsinium to get a chance at the obtaining the weapon went against what the developers promised would never happen; they lied) and using an outdated RNG , when other MMO's have been using the token system for years (WOW for example). This is a ridiculous decision. ZOS please stop dividing your player base from single players and group players (this only gives your game a smaller population for people to play with in an MMO) and make the single player vMA content group content and group finder accessible (I cannot believe you haven't even added raids yet; how anti social are you trying to make your game?). You can even buff the content difficulty a bit for groups (which inn't really necessary though since the NPCs hit for over 30K+ at max champion points due to poor game mechanics.) This is an Massively Multiplayer Online game. No offense, but If I wanted to play a single player, I would be playing Witcher 3 over this any day lol... @Wrobel @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno

drumbendrum_ESO · June 2016

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

50% is pretty good odd's but are you sure that's what the actually drop rate for the weapon is?

I have 10 runs so far and I'm 1/10 for drops, so I'm well under the 50% drop rate for weapons. This is discouraging for me since the weapons have increased drop chance to find something you don't want with added weapon traits.

@ZOS_Finn Please check to ensure that the weapons are really a 50% drop rate cause I'm telling you for now since DB, its not!

killa_shroomz · July 2016

Just did maelstrom arena 6 times. And got 6 rings. You know, if I'm going to get rings from the chest instead of weapons, the rings should be gold, and tradeable.

I can not believe that weapons are not a guaranteed drop.

GreatWhite000 · July 2016

I've run vMA 4 times, ever. My first run, the day before DB released, I got a sharpened resto. Not bad, esp for a first drop. Second time running (after patch), I got a decisive ice staff, which has since been deconstructed. Third time, I got an arcane ring of succession (bleh). Fourth time I got a nirnhoned resto. Nirnhoned has been butchered and decisive is horrible for DPS, and elemental succession is not a good set, so I have basically wasted my time on 3/4 runs so far.

oibam · July 2016

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

99% prosperous + powered ... YAY!

hayaschwarz · July 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Maelstrom Arena
Improved the rewards for Maelstrom Arena so now every level of the Arena is guaranteed to grant a set item.
Note: The only exception is the final Arena on Veteran mode, which may still drop a Maelstrom Weapon instead.

Are you kidding me? So the last chest after the 1 - 3h solo arena in an MMO will still drop well-shitted helmets instead of weapons 19 out of 20 runs? And then a random weapon with a random trait? Referring to this thread concerning the live servers.

The leaderboard isn't being increased either. So most spots for the guaranteed weapons are reserved for those paying real money to cheaters on EpicNPC to run it for them and place them on the leaderboard.

@ZOS_GinaBruno So, how is this a good idea? Usually you encounter design like this only in F2P games.

I wouldnt expect people to pay money, VMA is so easy now that its not even worth real life money, hardly anyone runs it anymore cause they have their loot. Leaderboards are never at 100 for weeklies these days. You have plenty of time to get on the weekly and not have those pesky cheaters beat you

This only goes for Templars and Dragonknights (even though Templars are already reaching cut-off values of 300k+). On Nightblade, you can't get a spot without a score under ~470k, which isn't too hard for an experienced vMA grinder, but impossible for almost 100% of the player base (keep in mind, only 100 players can make it!). On Sorcerer, your score needs to be 500k+. You need to be best-in-slot, very experienced, and, and this is the worst part, you can't just play the arena normally anymore. You have to skip/outdps mechanics, you can't use sigils, you can't die, and you can't afford to take the chest in every arena anymore. That's quite a lot of pressure just to get a small shot at those shiny weapons. I can see someone playing main Sorc or NB pay a cheater on EpicNPC to place him on the leaderboard.

On the score Topic, I say to you dude: L2P! I do vMSA very casually, as I hate it's bugs and laggy Response times, and I always get 500k+ score on whatever class I am doing it. I never used sigils (except of clicking X by mistake), and I loot each and every Boss, and lately I am crashing always on 2nd Arena (making competitive runs pointless). So it is really easy to do vMSA and get a very good score if you know your class and know the game. And it is annoying that ppl expect to finish the hardest endgame Content with just their RP-gear and half filled bars!

On the loot-table Topic, it is been very annoying experience for anyone to get what they want from vMSA. I myself did over 300runs, and never saw sharpened dagger or one handed axe with sharpened or precise. And now we have on top of the old traits the new traits, making it almost impossible to get the weapon you want with the desired trait. IMO, given that we have so many weapons and so many traits, the last box should have guaranteed weapons drop no matter what! Which will make it more rewarding for the People who are doing it not for the score, just for the Content itself....

hayaschwarz · July 2016

agro2014 wrote: »

With new spell damage weapon enchants, Maelstrom weapon is not musthave now, great change.

do you know the numbers of that enchant, and how much they affect you total DPS, and how much the cruel flurry is boosting your DPS? Or how much is the difference between the spell damage from the staff and the enchant, even not considering the boost to your LAs with WoE? I guess no!

Elyu · July 2016

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Just ran vMA for the first time after DB release. Uninstalled ESO for good.

ESO punishes you for having skills or investing time. In 200 vMA runs, I haven't seen a single Sharpened Maul, Sharpened Inferno, Sharpened Bow, or Precise Resto. And I know there are many people with 500 runs that haven't gotten their weapon and quit the game. I could name at least 12 that I got to know over the past 2 years that I know quit just because of vMA drop rates. 16, if you count those that quit because of the Undaunted chest drop rates.

My thread on this topic (12 pages) got ignored.

For those still playing ESO or even giving ZOS money: try Black Desert!
A loot system that rewards your effort, time invested, skill and leadership skills; capped RNG (if item X doesn't drop after Y runs, chance of 100% to get it on Y+1 run), items behind uncapped RNG are always BoE.
You're very skilled? You get rewarded. You're investing a lot of time/effort? You get rewarded. You're leading a great guild that is successful? You get rewarded.
Furthermore, better graphics than ESO, bigger world, more RP potential, much less lag, especially in PvP, and a wide variety of content, from very easy to impossibly challenging.

I know there are quite a few people that have gotten their Maelstrom weapons. Some even got them on their first run. If you're one of them, congratulations. But always keep in mind that next update it could be you who will have to invest effort similar to 500 vMA runs and still not get what you're looking for.

Maybe, just maybe, it's just time for a better game.

A big Thank You to everyone who supported me for weeks in trying to convince ZOS to end this nonsense. I've made many good friends in ESO, and will miss quite a few that, sadly, won't be moving with me to Black Desert for good.

I'm out! All the best to all of you! Even those telling me to L2P to solve the RNG issue.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Jaronking · July 2016

Elyu wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Just ran vMA for the first time after DB release. Uninstalled ESO for good.

ESO punishes you for having skills or investing time. In 200 vMA runs, I haven't seen a single Sharpened Maul, Sharpened Inferno, Sharpened Bow, or Precise Resto. And I know there are many people with 500 runs that haven't gotten their weapon and quit the game. I could name at least 12 that I got to know over the past 2 years that I know quit just because of vMA drop rates. 16, if you count those that quit because of the Undaunted chest drop rates.

My thread on this topic (12 pages) got ignored.

For those still playing ESO or even giving ZOS money: try Black Desert!
A loot system that rewards your effort, time invested, skill and leadership skills; capped RNG (if item X doesn't drop after Y runs, chance of 100% to get it on Y+1 run), items behind uncapped RNG are always BoE.
You're very skilled? You get rewarded. You're investing a lot of time/effort? You get rewarded. You're leading a great guild that is successful? You get rewarded.
Furthermore, better graphics than ESO, bigger world, more RP potential, much less lag, especially in PvP, and a wide variety of content, from very easy to impossibly challenging.

I know there are quite a few people that have gotten their Maelstrom weapons. Some even got them on their first run. If you're one of them, congratulations. But always keep in mind that next update it could be you who will have to invest effort similar to 500 vMA runs and still not get what you're looking for.

Maybe, just maybe, it's just time for a better game.

A big Thank You to everyone who supported me for weeks in trying to convince ZOS to end this nonsense. I've made many good friends in ESO, and will miss quite a few that, sadly, won't be moving with me to Black Desert for good.

I'm out! All the best to all of you! Even those telling me to L2P to solve the RNG issue.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

She still on maternity leave so fixed that for you.@ZOS_Finn Can you please talk to us about this and fix this its making people quit the game.Its unreasonable how much just bad drops people are getting right now.

LegendaryArcher · July 2016

hayaschwarz wrote: »

On the score Topic, I say to you dude: L2P! I do vMSA very casually, as I hate it's bugs and laggy Response times, and I always get 500k+ score on whatever class I am doing it. I never used sigils (except of clicking X by mistake), and I loot each and every Boss, and lately I am crashing always on 2nd Arena (making competitive runs pointless). So it is really easy to do vMSA and get a very good score if you know your class and know the game. And it is annoying that ppl expect to finish the hardest endgame Content with just their RP-gear and half filled bars!

@hayaschwarz Learn to read. It's about drops, not about completing. I don't know what the scores look now since I don't have the game anymore, but I can imagine people aren't running vMA as much with the *** trait pollution. 500k score, woohoo, you're a hero. Fact is that the majority of the player base doesn't complete it. And it is only 100 characters per class that get a good shot at a weapon once a week (the chest cannot be counted, at least for me or for anyone I know, with a realistic drop chance under 10%; yes, the patch notes disagree). Why 100 characters and not people? Because many run it on multiple characters, some I know run it on over 10 with multiple chars of each class. So it's significantly less than 400 people getting a shot at a weapon per week. Officially, ESO sold 1M copies overall about a year ago, it doesn't represent the active player base, but do you really believe only 400 characters should get a shot at a vMA weapon per week? Doesn't matter though, since they come in *** traits anyway since DB and most of the time a crafted sharpened non-set alternative is better.
Sorry, but if all those 1M "L2P", you will be pretty f'ed. Since there will still be only 400 spots for weekly. I ran vMA with an average score of 550k. Never seen any of the characters in your signature close to my rank. Why shouldn't people able to complete it get a realistic shot at a vMA weapon? Not just the 100 best characters (again, not people) of each class, once a week.
Also, really? Listen to yourself. You "run vMA casually?" No. If you play more than 30min to 1h a day you are not playing casually. But a majority is. Most people sleep, then go to work for a whole day, do groceries, cleaning, cooking, laundry, etc. Most of them have children. A casual is playing 1 - 2h every 2nd or 3rd day. Now, tell that person to L2P and easily pull a 500k score without knowing every spawn perfectly. And, you know, it's the majority of those casual players that support the game financially by purchasing stuff from the crown store, not the kids living with their parents at 18+, having bought this game once, spending 3 - 12h every day in there while shouting at their moms, "No, mom, I told you I'm not hungry!"

Decado · July 2016

InfaM wrote: »

@Artis

Artis wrote: »

"VMA weapon drop rate is fine, there's no issue, I never completed it but I like the idea of an endless grind for BIS weapon, it's super fun to know that people who spent hundred of hours doing hundred of runs (which I'll never do lol) are still at the same point as me with a nirnhorned weapon I really like that maelstrom weapon are gifted according to your luck only and I don't want a combination of RNG + tokens to be implemented because they will finally get a chance to see their accomplishement rewarded and get their weapons while I'll still don't have my maelstrom weapon because I can't/don't want to complete it "

One last thing just for the fun of finishing you, here's some of your quotes on another topic that show how much of a joke you are.
You seems more concerned about effort spent earning titles, than effort for maelstrom weapon, I guess you can actively farm useless titles while you're not able to complete VMA
What works for title can be applied for VMA RNG issue , oh no I forgot you're so altruistic that you don't care about your personnal rewards, what matters is the future of the game, which in fact is nothing more but what you are able to accomplish in the game and what you are unable to.

Artis wrote: »

You then are not consistent and are being a hypocrite

Lil introduction

Artis wrote: »

but there is more people liking my point of view than people liking your point of view. So again, why shouldn't we make the change that will make game better for more players

That's what you said in an account shared achievement thread, so why are you not following the same logic about maelstrom weapons and token while you're clearly the minority here ?

Artis wrote: »

We pay as much as you do and there's more of us. So, ZOS, don't listen to these griefers please. They just don't want us to have fun and want everyone to do dumb, unnecessary stuff, just because THEY enjoy it.

We = Majority requesting tokens, griefers = you, it's just obvious that you're a troll here, funny to see how fast you can try and fail to turn a situation in your favor and act in a totally different way in same context and equivalent situation.
So if we follow your advice, ZOS shouldn't listen to you, as you are the griefer in that thread, so with the help of your own words and your established troll profile , you can finally understand why I don't give a *** about your opinion anymore in that thread.

Artis wrote: »

Not at all dumb. It's the player who spent effort, not the character. But the main thing - nothing would change for you. For all you know, I DID get that title on the character you see me online with and using it. And well I did spent 100% of the effort so I deserve having that title. It's just more convenient for me and it doesn't ruin your immersion or doesn't change anything for you, so there's no reason not to change it.

That's your "account shared achievement thread" version , you're totally supporting a system that rewards effort.

Artis wrote: »

"LOL that's the problem with kids these days. They thing they deserve something just because they spend effort."

Now that's your "VMA thread" version, now you're totally against a system that rewards effort , both your version are totally matching and show how much of an objective point of view you bring in your *** post....

Artis wrote: »

You can still enjoy having a pole in your ass all you want. Why do you reject other people's right not to? We don't ask to take this option away from you. We ask not to keep it mandatory for us.

That RNG that you love so much is so well described by that pole and how much you defend/support it while we want a token system to get rid of it.

Artis wrote: »

Why? Why should I do that? That's inconvenient and not fun. I've done it once, I want to have fun and do something new all the time.

And yet you dare to come to VMA thread and tell everybody who spent hundred of hours farming that place for no reward that it's a fairly small amount of time and that it's still supposed to be fun after hundred of hours while you already bored to have spent half than what we spent in VMA to farm useless title...

Artis wrote: »

And no, the purpose of the game is not to just waste time. The purpose is to spend time having fun!

But you're still defending that endless grind in VMA and that perma RNG because you suddently think it's fun to waste time when it comes to VMA ?
When you come to that thread, you just change your mind like an hyprocrite right ? and you spread bu**sh*t because you're not a VMA farmer and you're afraid to be left behind by people who are able to farm it and at some point be rewarded for their accomplishement if tokens were ever added to the game.

Artis wrote: »

It's not how much effort I spend on a character. It's look how good of a player I am, how much dps/hps I can do and how good my skill is that I can complete this and that trials.

But yet you're against rewarding people for being good and able to successfully complete VMA hundred of times.

It shows how much fake you are , you are just a troll in fact , you're like a b**ch changing his mind with no real convictions and trying to makes his ineffectual arguments match his lies.

! I'm done with you !

Best post EU, +1

More on topic when DB came out I ran 4 times for 4 rings and quit running thinking *** this, went back in tonight because I levelled a new char to CP and wondered if it would grant undaunted,

Got another ring! So yeah not gonna bother going back in there again,

It wasn't even a challenge anymore I went it with 0 undaunted half my skills unleveled (shield unmorhed) and 17k health died like twice I think took me an hour, the arena isn't fun in the slightest anymore it's *** boring! And the RNG is ***, since they "buffed" the drop
Rate I havnt even seen a weapon, but from what I'm hearing from people who are running it on multiple chars every week for weekly aswel all
They've done is dilute the table so people are coming away with powered greatswords etc