Veteran Maelstrom Arena Weapons in DB

LegendaryArcher

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Maelstrom Arena

• Improved the rewards for Maelstrom Arena so now every level of the Arena is guaranteed to grant a set item.
  • Note: The only exception is the final Arena on Veteran mode, which may still drop a Maelstrom Weapon instead.

Are you kidding me? So the last chest after the 1 - 3h solo arena in an MMO will still drop helmets instead of weapons 19 out of 20 runs? And then a random weapon with a random trait? Referring to this thread concerning the live servers.

The leaderboard isn't being increased either. So most spots for the guaranteed weapons are reserved for those paying real money to cheaters on EpicNPC to run it for them and place them on the leaderboard.

@ZOS_GinaBruno So, how is this a good idea? Usually you encounter design like this only in F2P games.

Voxicity

Maybe they'll include a tin hat with the new hat cosmetics

Nifty2g

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Maelstrom Arena

• Improved the rewards for Maelstrom Arena so now every level of the Arena is guaranteed to grant a set item.
  • Note: The only exception is the final Arena on Veteran mode, which may still drop a Maelstrom Weapon instead.

Are you kidding me? So the last chest after the 1 - 3h solo arena in an MMO will still drop helmets instead of weapons 19 out of 20 runs? And then a random weapon with a random trait? Referring to this thread concerning the live servers.

The leaderboard isn't being increased either. So most spots for the guaranteed weapons are reserved for those paying real money to cheaters on EpicNPC to run it for them and place them on the leaderboard.

@ZOS_GinaBruno So, how is this a good idea? Usually you encounter design like this only in F2P games.

I wouldnt expect people to pay money, VMA is so easy now that its not even worth real life money, hardly anyone runs it anymore cause they have their loot. Leaderboards are never at 100 for weeklies these days. You have plenty of time to get on the weekly and not have those pesky cheaters beat you

LegendaryArcher

Nifty2g wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Maelstrom Arena

• Improved the rewards for Maelstrom Arena so now every level of the Arena is guaranteed to grant a set item.
  • Note: The only exception is the final Arena on Veteran mode, which may still drop a Maelstrom Weapon instead.

Are you kidding me? So the last chest after the 1 - 3h solo arena in an MMO will still drop well-shitted helmets instead of weapons 19 out of 20 runs? And then a random weapon with a random trait? Referring to this thread concerning the live servers.

The leaderboard isn't being increased either. So most spots for the guaranteed weapons are reserved for those paying real money to cheaters on EpicNPC to run it for them and place them on the leaderboard.

@ZOS_GinaBruno So, how is this a good idea? Usually you encounter design like this only in F2P games.

I wouldnt expect people to pay money, VMA is so easy now that its not even worth real life money, hardly anyone runs it anymore cause they have their loot. Leaderboards are never at 100 for weeklies these days. You have plenty of time to get on the weekly and not have those pesky cheaters beat you

This only goes for Templars and Dragonknights (even though Templars are already reaching cut-off values of 300k+). On Nightblade, you can't get a spot without a score under ~470k, which isn't too hard for an experienced vMA grinder, but impossible for almost 100% of the player base (keep in mind, only 100 players can make it!). On Sorcerer, your score needs to be 500k+. You need to be best-in-slot, very experienced, and, and this is the worst part, you can't just play the arena normally anymore. You have to skip/outdps mechanics, you can't use sigils, you can't die, and you can't afford to take the chest in every arena anymore. That's quite a lot of pressure just to get a small shot at those shiny weapons. I can see someone playing main Sorc or NB pay a cheater on EpicNPC to place him on the leaderboard.

agro2014

Last chest from vMA must drop at least one guaranteed weapon per week.

Changes in 2.4.0 are unacceptable because some traits were added in loottable, and it's decreasing chance to get necessary weapon.

keni_harringtonb16_ESO

im a pvp player and by far not good at pve and yet i ran the VMA and after about 6 completions i was able to get position 50 or soemthing on the LB's when i originally started i got to the last boss about 3 times and just couldnt beat him i then payed attention to what i was missing reformed my gear choices and then proceded to complete it and then start cutting my time down to about 1hr 30mins each run clearly i think you should revise your build and ask some guildies/zone for some advice

*im deeply sorry that you feel this sucks but its the way of the MMO world and maybe MMO's just are not for you*

code65536

To be fair, though, he has a point.

We have it good on the NA/PC server, where just a few weeks ago, even the sorc weekly board wasn't filling up. Weeklies are easy to get on.

But, most importantly, the people who complain about vMA drop rates aren't complaining about getting non-set items in the early stages. With the exception of Winterborn, the vMA sets are trash sets. I don't care if I get a Glorious Defender helm or if I get a generic non-set helm, because both are going to the same decon table.

ZOS appears to have completely missed the point. Maybe if the vMA sets were actually useful, but they aren't. The final chest should contain only weapons and jewelry, because getting yet another Para Bellum chest piece is just as much of an insult as getting generic trash.

Dunkmeister

Weapons have new traits now too. I got a staff on PTS with nirnhoned. Still running tests, but you may need to run it again if you want the new traits.

On NA, sorc leaderboard was full at 380K bottom last week. NB's were full with bottom at 400 something. Temps were full, DK's had plenty of room.

code65536

Well, it's your fault for mentioning the leaderboard, since that's an orthogonal issue.

The problem is, ZOS heard our complaints about vMA drop rates and completely missed the point. The only things worth getting from vMA are the weapons. Not only are they they not changing the weapon drop rate, they're diluting the loot table with junk traits (yes, nirnhoned is now a junk trait).

The only part that they're "fixing" is the part that nobody gave a flying frack about anyway because that Helm of Glory is the same decon trash as a generic Rubedite helm.

ZOS, do you actually listen to our feedback, or do you just read a thread's subject title and skim the actual contents? Because this "fix" stinks of that.

ZOS_DaryaK

Hello folks,
We edited some posts and removed some others that contributed nothing to the discussion. Let's try to keep things civil, please!

ZOS_Finn

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

Xjcon

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

It clears up one thing. It still doesn't fix the crap RNG, there is still people with multiple characters on the weekly who have hundreds of completions and still can't get the weapon they are after. While others get it their first few runs.

Bfish22090

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

great change!

Destyran

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

So you nerf all easy content like icp and wgt but dont nerf this for people like me who live far away and get a minimum of 300ms ping. Sweeet. Coulda at least made a guaranteed drop

dagonbeer

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

Not what most people are looking for. No one enters vMA hoping for jewelry after the investment of an hour and a half (what I'd assume to be average) If you're introducing more traits, that's even less of a chance of getting what you want. Guarantee a weapon drop at the end and 90% of complaints will go away.

I assume you have stats for the number of players actually wearing Para Bellum/Glory/Succession?

mr_wazzabi

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

How hard is it to make a 100% drop rate for weapons in the final chest?

We already have useless traits and weapons we don't use to sift through.

Vma is still the hardest thing to do besides vmol. Give us a break

dagonbeer

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Vma is still the hardest thing to do besides vmol. Give us a break

It's not even the difficulty that matters, is the length of the content. The prospect of spending an hour and a half to open a trash that is 50% trash (more like 70% trash once you factor in defending traits and maelstrom swords/maces) is not inviting.

Destruent

dagonbeer wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

Not what most people are looking for. No one enters vMA hoping for jewelry after the investment of an hour and a half (what I'd assume to be average) If you're introducing more traits, that's even less of a chance of getting what you want. Guarantee a weapon drop at the end and 90% of complaints will go away.

I assume you have stats for the number of players actually wearing Para Bellum/Glory/Succession?

Lots of people complained when they removed jewelry from the weekly rewards. Whats the problem with additional rewards? You get a guarantied weapond and sometimes jewelry.

dagonbeer

Destruent wrote: »

Lots of people complained when they removed jewelry from the weekly rewards. Whats the problem with additional rewards? You get a guarantied weapond and sometimes jewelry.

I don't have any problem with the weekly rewards, just the final chest.

kadar

Nifty2g wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Maelstrom Arena

• Improved the rewards for Maelstrom Arena so now every level of the Arena is guaranteed to grant a set item.
  • Note: The only exception is the final Arena on Veteran mode, which may still drop a Maelstrom Weapon instead.

Are you kidding me? So the last chest after the 1 - 3h solo arena in an MMO will still drop helmets instead of weapons 19 out of 20 runs? And then a random weapon with a random trait? Referring to this thread concerning the live servers.

The leaderboard isn't being increased either. So most spots for the guaranteed weapons are reserved for those paying real money to cheaters on EpicNPC to run it for them and place them on the leaderboard.

@ZOS_GinaBruno So, how is this a good idea? Usually you encounter design like this only in F2P games.

I wouldnt expect people to pay money, VMA is so easy now that its not even worth real life money, hardly anyone runs it anymore cause they have their loot. Leaderboards are never at 100 for weeklies these days. You have plenty of time to get on the weekly and not have those pesky cheaters beat you

Wat? Last week I got bumped off the NB Leaderboard with a score of 389k. Lowest score was 419k. What do you mean, "hardly anyone runs it?"

LegendaryArcher

@ZOS_Finn Thanks for the clear-up. 50% chance for a weapon is indeed a way higher drop chance than I have experienced so far (10% in ~100 runs). I still believe, taking the lengh of the content into account, that it would be way more appropriate to guarantee a weapon in the last chest. You can play around with it: make it 80% blue weapon, 20% purple weapon, and gold one for the leaderboard. But please guarantee a weapon in the last chest.

Fact is, as much as the jewelry is appealing, the sets do not outperform the current blue/purple set pieces available through easier content. Maybe if the jewelry was golden, it would be different, but that's just speculation. Fact is, it is extremely disappointing to spend 1 - 3 hours (depending on skill) in this solo arena and not get a weapon. It is already bad enough that there are so many different weapons with different traits. Please reduce the amount of RNG.

Joy_Division

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

I know it's not your job to balance item sets, but a huge problem with vMA is that the armor sets that drop are not appealing for most players and thus giving us a gauranteed drop every round isn't changing anything. The entire run is judged on the contents of that final chest.

Dragonstar Arena was different because 2 of the sets (healer, footman) were not only desirable, but sellable.

Pallio

Doesn't really matter since the vast majority of the player base will never complete Vma.

pretzl

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

We increased the set item drops in Maelstrom Arena to remove the chance of completing an arena and not getting a set piece. That was the take away from this change.

The Final Arena loot chest will drop a Weapon 50% of the time and a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

The Leaderboard reward will be a weapon 100% of the time AND a piece of Jewelry 50% of the time.

Hope that clears things up!

That's all fine and dandy, @ZOS_Finn , but does it really work like that in realtime?
Atm you're advertising a 50% dropchance on Live, but based on numerous threads with information from players, your arena amounts to about a 13.6% drop chance of a maelstrom weapon. Surely you have data to actually see this, but I can't help but notice that's an insane stretch from your presumed 50%?

Would be nice to have it 100% clarified here that the drops are either as intended and people in general just have *** RNG, or if it's just now being actually raised to the intended 50%?

player_klaus

...and while youre at it:

its about time to make vMSA-loot (excluding maelstrom weps, ofc) BoE. its just ridonculous, we cannot share or sell what we dont need.

ty

Shadesofkin

I like that there's a set item each time, but we need 7-9 to offer jewelry and 9 to ALWAYS offer a weapon

Decado

I'm not sure how you think a 50% drop rate means a damn thing, yeah I get malestrom weapons, my last 5 runs were
Sharpened resto
Crap piece of the hunt
Defending resto
Defending resto
Sharpened resto

I DONT HAVE A HEALER! 50% chance to drop a weapon means nothing when it drops that crap constantly, I have maybe 10 resto staffs and no healer, and 0 destro staffs and alot of magicka DDs, and now the pressure is really on for me, even though I'm currently running the arena 2/3 times A DAY to try and get the weapons and failing miserable I'm now under a deadline because after dark brotherhood hits my chances are WORSE! Who cares about the sets! I must of destroyed a perfect set of every type by now
(And kept one winter born to use)

Make the 9th chest 50% chance to drop
Jewellery and the final chest 100% weapons OR allow me to trade in my restos for something I can use,

Oh and I noticed the weekly talk, on a Sorc you have to be 500k+ to get on leaderboards nowadays

Hektik_V

100% drop chance for a best in slot weapon is too high in an arena that is already too easy.

andryuhav

Decado wrote: »

I'm not sure how you think a 50% drop rate means a damn thing, yeah I get malestrom weapons, my last 5 runs were
Sharpened resto
Crap piece of the hunt
Defending resto
Defending resto
Sharpened resto

I DONT HAVE A HEALER! 50% chance to drop a weapon means nothing when it drops that crap constantly, I have maybe 10 resto staffs and no healer, and 0 destro staffs and alot of magicka DDs, and now the pressure is really on for me, even though I'm currently running the arena 2/3 times A DAY to try and get the weapons and failing miserable I'm now under a deadline because after dark brotherhood hits my chances are WORSE! Who cares about the sets! I must of destroyed a perfect set of every type by now
(And kept one winter born to use)

Make the 9th chest 50% chance to drop
Jewellery and the final chest 100% weapons OR allow me to trade in my restos for something I can use,

Oh and I noticed the weekly talk, on a Sorc you have to be 500k+ to get on leaderboards nowadays

I feel your pain, dear sir. Same **** here.

agro2014

With new spell damage weapon enchants, Maelstrom weapon is not musthave now, great change.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Also how about removing the "bind on pickup" for everything but the maelstrom weapons.

Selling the sets you get in maeltrom would be a good way to offset repair costs. Like Dragon Star Arena with the healer/footman sets.

Also pariah, briarthorn and others need to be unbound as well.