What will you do with your Magicka Sorcerer when Dark Brotherhood goes live?

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

PvE. So I have to move a little more, watch my health a bit more, and be weary about where I stand much like my other hybrid DPS/Healers who don't have a shield to protect them. No more reliance on a crutch in the form of an infinite shield that allows me to ignore mechanics while I can spam away without a care. Champion points are moving away from Bastion into Hardy and Elemental Defender, it will suck losing those bonus resurrection perks, but my survival is more important than yours.

Vaoh · May 2016

Other (please specify).

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

PvE. So I have to move a little more, watch my health a bit more, and be weary about where I stand much like my other hybrid DPS/Healers who don't have a shield to protect them. No more reliance on a crutch in the form of an infinite shield that allows me to ignore mechanics while I can spam away without a care. Champion points are moving away from Bastion into Hardy and Elemental Defender, it will suck losing those bonus resurrection perks, but my survival is more important than yours.

Geez.... sounds like a fun guy to play with!

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

L2P and cry me a river please. From a PVP perspective, Sorc has been overpowered for a long time. DK was heavily nerfed during the following years of launch and templars finally have some useful skills. It's nice some balance is actually going to be implemented. I'm more concerned about poisons than this change.

So you're another clueless person that got no idea how a sorc plays or anything and then comment on it anyway. Good job making yourself look like a complete fool. Maybe we should nerf magicka templars main abilities into the ground and not give you anything in return so you can L2P, eh?

Tyvarra · May 2016

Other (please specify).

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

Tyvarra wrote: »

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

If it helps, Empowered Ward will be 10 seconds.

Ryuho · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Tyvarra wrote: »

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

If it helps, Empowered Ward will be 10 seconds.

Its quite good I am using it on live - 10 % more magicka recovery and much cheaper - for me its 500 less mana, so u can spam it more effectivly. And the difrence in shield strength is only 2.5k for me..

As I wrote this change will determine who was good sorc, and who was brainless shieldstacker.

Mush55 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different class.

Ryuho wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Tyvarra wrote: »

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

If it helps, Empowered Ward will be 10 seconds.

Its quite good I am using it on live - 10 % more magicka recovery and much cheaper - for me its 500 less mana, so u can spam it more effectivly. And the difrence in shield strength is only 2.5k for me..

As I wrote this change will determine who was good sorc, and who was brainless shieldstacker.

The shield nerf is more of an annoyance it's all the other things thrown into the frying pan thtas the killer of the class..

Ryuho · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

Mush55 wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Tyvarra wrote: »

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

If it helps, Empowered Ward will be 10 seconds.

Its quite good I am using it on live - 10 % more magicka recovery and much cheaper - for me its 500 less mana, so u can spam it more effectivly. And the difrence in shield strength is only 2.5k for me..

As I wrote this change will determine who was good sorc, and who was brainless shieldstacker.

The shield nerf is more of an annoyance it's all the other things thrown into the frying pan thtas the killer of the class..

I know only about surge, which definitly should be looked at, making it affected by battle spirit rekt totally this skill, and 2nd was shields duration nerf, which for good player won't be a problem.

Rest was only buffs for stam sorc and some minor tweaks, or I missed something and didnt read about some changes which killed sorc class?

RebornV3x · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different class.

My Magicka Sorc will be going on vacation till ZOS takes Sorc seriously and fixes up the entire class. I'll probably do all the DB PvE stuff with it and the occasional trial with my guild(That is if they will let me roll with them once DB hits)but I won't being PVPing, I refuse to let Nightblades beat all over me. Got my Magicka Templar almost ready to go just got to get that Undaunted up and maybe 1H/S up too and I'll be good to go. Its going to cost way to much gold and take too much time theroycrafting to get my Sorc up too par cause I have no clue what to do with my sorc some of my go to abilities are stamina abilities now and I refuse to use pets or destro staffs. I would rather just craft CP 160 gear for my Templar and play the game

Mush55 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different class.

Ryuho wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Tyvarra wrote: »

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

If it helps, Empowered Ward will be 10 seconds.

Its quite good I am using it on live - 10 % more magicka recovery and much cheaper - for me its 500 less mana, so u can spam it more effectivly. And the difrence in shield strength is only 2.5k for me..

As I wrote this change will determine who was good sorc, and who was brainless shieldstacker.

The shield nerf is more of an annoyance it's all the other things thrown into the frying pan thtas the killer of the class..

I know only about surge, which definitly should be looked at, making it affected by battle spirit rekt totally this skill, and 2nd was shields duration nerf, which for good player won't be a problem.

Rest was only buffs for stam sorc and some minor tweaks, or I missed something and didnt read about some changes which killed sorc class?

There are about 2000 posts on the subject with quite a few players testing stuff and none have come to the conclusion sorcs have been buffed and stating that sorcs are now in a bad place at the moment.

I cant say being on PS4 and can only comment on what has been tested and posted but even to me reading these test it dosnt sound like much buffing has been done, and Zos seems to want to force pets on us even though they are not good enough .

Pvp sorcs may be fine I dont Pvp, but Pve they are not and thats now, one skill makes us able to be ok overload apart from that it's a struggle to pull your weight in a trial .

Even I can see this no utility and only one good ability to save your dps which is still as buggy as hell.

Ryuho · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

Mush55 wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Tyvarra wrote: »

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

If it helps, Empowered Ward will be 10 seconds.

Its quite good I am using it on live - 10 % more magicka recovery and much cheaper - for me its 500 less mana, so u can spam it more effectivly. And the difrence in shield strength is only 2.5k for me..

As I wrote this change will determine who was good sorc, and who was brainless shieldstacker.

The shield nerf is more of an annoyance it's all the other things thrown into the frying pan thtas the killer of the class..

I know only about surge, which definitly should be looked at, making it affected by battle spirit rekt totally this skill, and 2nd was shields duration nerf, which for good player won't be a problem.

Rest was only buffs for stam sorc and some minor tweaks, or I missed something and didnt read about some changes which killed sorc class?

There are about 2000 posts on the subject with quite a few players testing stuff and none have come to the conclusion sorcs have been buffed and stating that sorcs are now in a bad place at the moment.

I cant say being on PS4 and can only comment on what has been tested and posted but even to me reading these test it dosnt sound like much buffing has been done, and Zos seems to want to force pets on us even though they are not good enough .

Pvp sorcs may be fine I dont Pvp, but Pve they are not and thats now, one skill makes us able to be ok overload apart from that it's a struggle to pull your weight in a trial .

Even I can see this no utility and only one good ability to save your dps which is still as buggy as hell.

Ah ok, well I wrote from pure pvp perspective. Agree in pve sorc needs massive buff to be equal with other classes.

Lucky28 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

Ryuho wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Tyvarra wrote: »

First I will not change a thing and just try it. When I realize that it isnt working anymore I may be trying stam sorc for the first time (although I dont think I will like it) or I will play another class. Had pretty much fun with my mag DK lately. Well we will see. I just wish they would change the shields duration to 10 secs not 6. And the surge heal also bothers me a lot

If it helps, Empowered Ward will be 10 seconds.

Its quite good I am using it on live - 10 % more magicka recovery and much cheaper - for me its 500 less mana, so u can spam it more effectivly. And the difrence in shield strength is only 2.5k for me..

As I wrote this change will determine who was good sorc, and who was brainless shieldstacker.

The shield nerf is more of an annoyance it's all the other things thrown into the frying pan thtas the killer of the class..

I know only about surge, which definitly should be looked at, making it affected by battle spirit rekt totally this skill, and 2nd was shields duration nerf, which for good player won't be a problem.

Rest was only buffs for stam sorc and some minor tweaks, or I missed something and didnt read about some changes which killed sorc class?

i've said this multiple times. However, @Wrobel has dumbed down the class with the changes in DB. Sorc players wanted more variety. instead ZoS took what little variety we did have and took a *** on it.

it's not even about good or bad players.

willymchilybily · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

Quite looking forward to the mass sorc exodus. I wont have to try quite so hard to make sorc vMA leader boards each week. its not affected my DPS just my survival ability, but far less than some builds will be affected.

in PvP & PvE its likely I'll be using only 1 shield, the light armor shield. and with the changes it wont be so bad, better magicka sustain or a larger shield than the class shield.

But having not tested on PTS i guess my hypothesis could be well off and this is a terrible change. But its a buff to my magicka DK and low level Templar plenty of other options.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · May 2016

Other (please specify).

My sorc is now entirely a pve healer. No reason to play her as anything else as the other classes I have at v16 are better at other roles.

But that being said, sorcs makes REALLY good healer now.

Taonnor · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different class.

If i not lead pvp i will use my sorc as support negate sorc.

If i lead pvp i will use my magicka nb, because he is the mage i want.

Apherius · May 2016

I will respec to Stamina Sorcerer.

Magicka sorcerer is always nerf for nothing ... i want play something other .

CasNation · May 2016

Other (please specify).

My sorc has been my main since launch, and is an excellent crafter as a result. I will probably play her exclusively in Azuras PvP, but otherwise I will be playing my magblade and magplar.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

My sorc is now entirely a pve healer. No reason to play her as anything else as the other classes I have at v16 are better at other roles.

But that being said, sorcs makes REALLY good healer now.

They are quite good at healing, yes. Problem is though that their utility is near non-existant so templars are still the go to main healer.

NBrookus · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different class.

Ryuho wrote: »

Rest was only buffs for stam sorc and some minor tweaks, or I missed something and didnt read about some changes which killed sorc class?

The loss of thaumaturge on Curse hurts. Prox Det nerf hurts, even tho I agree with it. Toppling Charge no longer triggers mines. I am unsure about Crit Rush, etc., but since they rewrote those gap closers the same way they may also not be triggering mines.

So we've lost damage, heals and defense.

Abeille · May 2016

The nerfs are awful, but I'll keep playing Magicka Sorcerer as always nevertheless.

I'm used to this kind of stuff in MMOs, which is why I have one Stamina and one Magicka version of each class, all vets waiting for the ranks to go away next week.

However, it happened to my main character this time, who is a Magicka Sorcerer. Because she is my main, I won't simply stop playing her (although I imagine I'll be playing my Stamina DK much more).

Autolycus · May 2016

Other (please specify).

There is a difference between nerfs and rebalancing. These changes are rebalancing, not nerfs. They didn't make wards any less powerful, all they did was emphasize the importance of proper timing. What this means is they've taken the Sorc class and made it more skill-based.

When DB releases, I fully intend to play my magicka Sorc as if it's just another ordinary day.

Lord_Wrath · May 2016

I will respec to Stamina Sorcerer.

Im going to try out stamina build. Its bad enough how squishy the magica sorc is, ive been playing only my sorc for two years because i dont have that much time to restart progress on a new character. I will always continue to play my sorc but i agree we just need an overhaul.

baratron · May 2016

The nerfs are awful, but I'll keep playing Magicka Sorcerer as always nevertheless.

I'm going to whine for a while and then learn to cope. I ran Vet ICP yesterday without shields and was surprised how little I died. Apparently it really isn't necessary to have shields up 100% of the time, who'd have thought it? Tried to run Vet WGT without shields today but got stuck on the Planar Inhibitor. Barrier helped a bit. Unfortunately one of the DPSes couldn't get the hang of killing the rifts.

If it turns out that Sorc Healing really isn't fun anymore, then I'll switch to my DK with Trinimac's Valor, which is extremely enjoyable.

Lucky28 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

Autolycus wrote: »

There is a difference between nerfs and rebalancing. These changes are rebalancing, not nerfs. They didn't make wards any less powerful, all they did was emphasize the importance of proper timing. What this means is they've taken the Sorc class and made it more skill-based.

When DB releases, I fully intend to play my magicka Sorc as if it's just another ordinary day.

No it is a nerf. playing my sorc on PTS it was clear how less effective they where in every capacity. other classes where all around better at everything.

and emphasizing proper timing?. that's bs and you know it, Lag makes proper timing not a thing.

ToRelax · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

Lucky28 wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

There is a difference between nerfs and rebalancing. These changes are rebalancing, not nerfs. They didn't make wards any less powerful, all they did was emphasize the importance of proper timing. What this means is they've taken the Sorc class and made it more skill-based.

When DB releases, I fully intend to play my magicka Sorc as if it's just another ordinary day.

No it is a nerf. playing my sorc on PTS it was clear how less effective they where in every capacity. other classes where all around better at everything.

and emphasizing proper timing?. that's bs and you know it, Lag makes proper timing not a thing.

Surge got nerfed, no doubt about that. Shields didn't. At best the Sorcerer has less of an advantage over other classes now.

Lucky28 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

ToRelax wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

There is a difference between nerfs and rebalancing. These changes are rebalancing, not nerfs. They didn't make wards any less powerful, all they did was emphasize the importance of proper timing. What this means is they've taken the Sorc class and made it more skill-based.

When DB releases, I fully intend to play my magicka Sorc as if it's just another ordinary day.

No it is a nerf. playing my sorc on PTS it was clear how less effective they where in every capacity. other classes where all around better at everything.

and emphasizing proper timing?. that's bs and you know it, Lag makes proper timing not a thing.

Surge got nerfed, no doubt about that. Shields didn't. At best the Sorcerer has less of an advantage over other classes now.

the nerf to surge is what makes the nerf to shields significant.

ToRelax · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

Lucky28 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

There is a difference between nerfs and rebalancing. These changes are rebalancing, not nerfs. They didn't make wards any less powerful, all they did was emphasize the importance of proper timing. What this means is they've taken the Sorc class and made it more skill-based.

When DB releases, I fully intend to play my magicka Sorc as if it's just another ordinary day.

No it is a nerf. playing my sorc on PTS it was clear how less effective they where in every capacity. other classes where all around better at everything.

and emphasizing proper timing?. that's bs and you know it, Lag makes proper timing not a thing.

Surge got nerfed, no doubt about that. Shields didn't. At best the Sorcerer has less of an advantage over other classes now.

the nerf to surge is what makes the nerf to shields significant.

Surge had been in a sad state since 1.6, the nerf doesn't change a lot for me. For a stam Sorc it will, but those aren't using shields extensively...

Lucky28 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

ToRelax wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

There is a difference between nerfs and rebalancing. These changes are rebalancing, not nerfs. They didn't make wards any less powerful, all they did was emphasize the importance of proper timing. What this means is they've taken the Sorc class and made it more skill-based.

When DB releases, I fully intend to play my magicka Sorc as if it's just another ordinary day.

No it is a nerf. playing my sorc on PTS it was clear how less effective they where in every capacity. other classes where all around better at everything.

and emphasizing proper timing?. that's bs and you know it, Lag makes proper timing not a thing.

Surge got nerfed, no doubt about that. Shields didn't. At best the Sorcerer has less of an advantage over other classes now.

the nerf to surge is what makes the nerf to shields significant.

Surge had been in a sad state since 1.6, the nerf doesn't change a lot for me. For a stam Sorc it will, but those aren't using shields extensively...

i'm talking about PvE BTW. PvP i'm gonna be burying myself in a zerg anyway as result of the op poison.

at any rate. other classes have awesome passives that compensate for the lack of shields. sorcs on the other hand, have a limited number of useful passives and even some completely worthless passives. the class is in a poor state.

STEVIL · May 2016

The changes don't bother me, I'll keep playing my Magicka Sorcerer as always.

Lucky28 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

There is a difference between nerfs and rebalancing. These changes are rebalancing, not nerfs. They didn't make wards any less powerful, all they did was emphasize the importance of proper timing. What this means is they've taken the Sorc class and made it more skill-based.

When DB releases, I fully intend to play my magicka Sorc as if it's just another ordinary day.

No it is a nerf. playing my sorc on PTS it was clear how less effective they where in every capacity. other classes where all around better at everything.

and emphasizing proper timing?. that's bs and you know it, Lag makes proper timing not a thing.

Surge got nerfed, no doubt about that. Shields didn't. At best the Sorcerer has less of an advantage over other classes now.

the nerf to surge is what makes the nerf to shields significant.

Surge had been in a sad state since 1.6, the nerf doesn't change a lot for me. For a stam Sorc it will, but those aren't using shields extensively...

i'm talking abound PvE BTW. PvP i'm gonna be burying myself in a zerg anyway as result of the op poison.

at any rate. other classes have awesome passives that compensate for the lack of shields. sorcs on the other hand, have a limited number of useful passives and even some completely worthless passives. the class is in a poor state.

I gotta say, i dont see any "completely worthless" passives under sorc. I see some that wont apply to all playstyles but that happens for ALL classes. Sometimes the player preferences means some passives wont play a role, but thats not the result of the passive. A nightblade who chooses to not slot assassination ability or a siphon could by either choice discard posdible passives, for instance.

Doesnt make them "completely worthless" for class assessment purposes.

So please, can you tell us which sorc passives are "completely worthless" in DB current PTS?

I am really curious.

Lucky28 · May 2016

Until a new patch makes MagSorc viable/competitive again, I will play a different game.

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