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First PTS Poll Ever! Block Expertise change.
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Would you like the Champion Point change to Block Expertise reverted?
Edited by vortexman11 on May 9, 2016 9:25PM
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First PTS Poll Ever! Block Expertise change. 202 votes
Revert the change!
84%
171 votes
Keep the change!
10%
21 votes
Keep the change but move Shield Expert to The Shadow
4%
10 votes
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hammayolettuce✭✭✭✭✭
✭Keep the change!I like builds being forced to spread out CP, it allows for more build diversity that isn't here currently.♥ Snü (Magicka DK) ♥ Thnu (Stamplar) ♥ Pizza for Breakfast (Magplar) ♥ Sparklefingers (Magicka Sorc) ♥♥ Bean and Cheese Burrito (Magicka DK) ♥ Snurrito (Stamplar) ♥DARFAL COVANT0 -
vortexman11✭✭✭✭✭
✭Revert the change!They let polls happen here now? HOORAY!
^^^ Thank you GinaZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Whoops, sorry about that! Polls are now enabled in the PTS section.vortexman11 wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno While you're at it, can you please enable polls on the PTS section of the forum.....
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Teridaxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Revert the change!Eu toons copied over now.
I deal much more damage now ( yes im aware of the ui bug, but mobs do indeed die much faster now ), but my tanking capacities got nerfed hard now. I can't even decide which things i want to save which are left as pieces after the last 2.4 and 2.4.2 patches. Shield expert? Maybe block reduction? Sturdy or imp or divines/infused?
But hey, i do more damage...which is still nothing compard to a into damage specced dd in medium armour.Edited by Teridaxus on May 9, 2016 9:29PM1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Swap Medium Armor Passive in Steed to Lord with the Heavy Armor Passive.
That's really all that's needed.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!Swap Medium Armor Passive in Steed to Lord with the Heavy Armor Passive.
That's really all that's needed.
Um, no. PvE tanks care much more about green points (we have smaller max resource pools, and we don't have the MA/LA sustain bonuses) than about the red points (any additional red points is overkill for us).Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!All we wanted were small buffs to tanking, we got across the board changes that dont even make sense. I'm on a roller coaster of emotions!!! Kidding, but seriously, ZOS.. ask us what we want. All this.. is not it.Edited by Oompuh on May 10, 2016 1:08AMXbox NA - Oompa
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!
PvP doesn't get to dictate the game's direction by crippling the play style of the other half of the game.hammayolettuce wrote: »I like builds being forced to spread out CP, it allows for more build diversity that isn't here currently.
An very not so thought out change that needs to be reverted.
This is like We Are ESO saying that heavy armor needs a passive for "Critical Resistance" yes it is a good idea but it doesn't work well rounded for PvP and PvE which is why I dislike the We Are ESO Live Podcasts, most of the ideas resolve around PvP and heavily damage PvEEdited by Nifty2g on May 10, 2016 1:09AM#MOREORBS2 -
NTclaymore✭✭✭✭Move Block expertice to the Atronach so tanks actully have something to use their mage points on! Even put shield expert in there aswell? but really. The mage points are completely useless on a tank.He spoke, the son of Padomay, and nodded his head with the dark brows
and the imortally anointed hair of the great god
swept from his divine head, and all Mundus was shaken.3 -
Woeler✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Revert the change!hammayolettuce wrote: »I like builds being forced to spread out CP, it allows for more build diversity that isn't here currently.
Something isn't right here....6 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!
You're one of those tanks, aren't you?NTclaymore wrote: »Move Block expertice to the Atronach so tanks actully have something to use their mage points on! Even put shield expert in there aswell? but really. The mage points are completely useless on a tank.Edited by Nifty2g on May 10, 2016 1:14AM#MOREORBS2 -
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You're one of those tanks, aren't you?NTclaymore wrote: »Move Block expertice to the Atronach so tanks actully have something to use their mage points on! Even put shield expert in there aswell? but really. The mage points are completely useless on a tank.
Im not sure what you mean by this.He spoke, the son of Padomay, and nodded his head with the dark brows
and the imortally anointed hair of the great god
swept from his divine head, and all Mundus was shaken.0 -
PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!
You're one of those tanks, aren't you?NTclaymore wrote: »Move Block expertice to the Atronach so tanks actully have something to use their mage points on! Even put shield expert in there aswell? but really. The mage points are completely useless on a tank.
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zerosingularity✭✭✭✭Revert the change!And so it begins, the great poll of our time.NA-PC
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!NTclaymore wrote: »
You're one of those tanks, aren't you?NTclaymore wrote: »Move Block expertice to the Atronach so tanks actully have something to use their mage points on! Even put shield expert in there aswell? but really. The mage points are completely useless on a tank.
Im not sure what you mean by this.
There are two categories of people who would not like having that moved to blue.
1: Damage-tanks. Most PvP "tanks" are damage-tanks, and some PvE tanks are too. My nightblade saptank is one such tank, for 4-man content where some damage is nice (I also have a proper DK tank that I would use for more serious tanking) and the changes to HA support this. Moving Block Expertise to blue would harm this play style too much.
2: Gear-swap tanks. Both of my tanks are gear-swap tanks. They switch between DPS and tanking with a change of gear, food, and mundus stone. It allows for a greater freedom of play and more versatility. For example, my DK goes from 18K health, 41K magicka, and 10K stamina to 28K health, 26K magicka, and 20K stamina with just a simple swap of gear and food. The clear distinction right now, where red is defense, green is sustain, and blue is damage, makes it possible for me to do this without spending 3K gold every time I change roles. And there are a lot of tanks who fit into this category, esp. since remaining in tank mode doesn't make sense when doing solo content like vMA or questing.Edited by code65536 on May 10, 2016 1:37AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Revert the change!If they're going to insist on keeping it in The Thief, at least move it over to the Tower--swap it with Sprinter, and swap Shield Expert with War Mount. That would at least make sense thematically and leave us with somewhat useful passive abilities to unlock.1 -
rootimus✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!Is something broke that needs fixing, or is this the potency rune changes all over again?Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!
Mage points are amazing, put them in blessed and elfborn for self heals.NTclaymore wrote: »
You're one of those tanks, aren't you?NTclaymore wrote: »Move Block expertice to the Atronach so tanks actully have something to use their mage points on! Even put shield expert in there aswell? but really. The mage points are completely useless on a tank.
Im not sure what you mean by this.
Riposte is a good CP passive too#MOREORBS1 -
NTclaymore✭✭✭✭Ahh i see. Thanks @code65536
I have 3 PvE charrecters. One DPS that solely DPSes. A healer that soely heals and you gueesed it. My tank that does nothing but tank. I can see where you comming from with this so maybe my idea isnt the best. But ZOS current plan isnt much better than mine. It might be worse actully.He spoke, the son of Padomay, and nodded his head with the dark brows
and the imortally anointed hair of the great god
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Revert the change!NTclaymore wrote: »But ZOS current plan isnt much better than mine. It might be worse actully.
Yes, if I had to choose between green and blue, I'd choose blue. But I'd much rather not have to make that choice and just have it reverted back to red where it belongs.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
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- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
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- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Revert the change!NTclaymore wrote: »But ZOS current plan isnt much better than mine. It might be worse actully.
Yes, if I had to choose between green and blue, I'd choose blue. But I'd much rather not have to make that choice and just have it reverted back to red where it belongs.
QFEEdited by Personofsecrets on May 10, 2016 1:52AMRest in Peace:
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Hadan_of_Rift✭✭✭✭Revert the change!@ZOS_GinaBruno Who the *** was on crack when they decided to make this change?
I've seen sme stupid changes but this is tops. The Green tree already has a ton of important items in it and now you move the blocking reduction from the tree that gives you all the passives for blocking, moronic to say the least. This better be a really late April's Fools joke.0 -
Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭Revert the change!NTclaymore wrote: »But ZOS current plan isnt much better than mine. It might be worse actully.
Yes, if I had to choose between green and blue, I'd choose blue. But I'd much rather not have to make that choice and just have it reverted back to red where it belongs.
I disagree, for me at least moving it to Blue would be an even worse blow than having it in Green (though really either one would probably destroy my Builds). I need all my Champion Points exactly as they are and where they are, my Builds already barely work (I like them because they're fun to play) and any change at all would likely spell the death of my Builds, as well as my desire to play this game at all.Daggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Swap Medium Armor Passive in Steed to Lord with the Heavy Armor Passive.
That's really all that's needed.
Um, no. PvE tanks care much more about green points (we have smaller max resource pools, and we don't have the MA/LA sustain bonuses) than about the red points (any additional red points is overkill for us).
Other then Cost Reduction what are you going to invest in? the Recovery Passive is usually pretty *** for PvE tanks cause Heavy Armor is bad...I'd much rather have more Red to spend in passive mitigation and dump my useless green points into Block Cost reduction instead of Stamina or Magicka recovery when both of those stats are generally *** in heavy.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Revert the change!i get 2.1k magic regen with the recovery cp passive. Even without that the cost reduction passives are enough to use up cpsRest in Peace:
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Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭Revert the change!Swap Medium Armor Passive in Steed to Lord with the Heavy Armor Passive.
That's really all that's needed.
Um, no. PvE tanks care much more about green points (we have smaller max resource pools, and we don't have the MA/LA sustain bonuses) than about the red points (any additional red points is overkill for us).
Other then Cost Reduction what are you going to invest in? the Recovery Passive is usually pretty *** for PvE tanks cause Heavy Armor is bad...I'd much rather have more Red to spend in passive mitigation and dump my useless green points into Block Cost reduction instead of Stamina or Magicka recovery when both of those stats are generally *** in heavy.
That's exactly why we need to be able to invest in whatever Resource Management we can, and with Block Cost Reduction in the Steed we can invest all our green and some red doing just that. Plus the Steed doesn't have any other Champion Points that are as useful for Tanks, but the passives are all perfect for Tanking, which means you'd have to invest in much less useful things to get the passives. It's just not a useful change for most people, and actively hurts countless Tanking Builds.
The only people that say they're okay with this change don't seem to care about Build diversity (at least when there builds benefit from it), and the bigger picture is essential to consider. If you're really that selfish that you'd rather have what you want despite everyone else being *** over then so be it, but that's not a terribly firm position to be standing on while you try to defend this change, and it shows in the weakness of your arguments for it.Daggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
Lucius Aelius Aurelius - 50 Imperial Dragonknight - Centurion - Stam Tank
Lucius Aelius Valerius - 50 Imperial Templar - Lieutenant - Mag Heal/DPS
Lucius Aelius Regulus - 50 Imperial Nightblade - First Sergeant - Stam DPS
Lucius Aelius Augustus - 50 Imperial Sorcerer - Corporal - Mag DPS
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NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Revert the change!All we wanted were small buffs to tanking, we got across the board changes that dont even make sense. I'm on a roller coaster of emotions!!! Kidding, but seriously, ZOS.. ask us what we want. All this.. is not it.
They did ask us. We responded. They ignored us.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/248921/official-tanking-feedback-thread1 -
aidenmoore✭✭✭✭Revert the change!Swap Medium Armor Passive in Steed to Lord with the Heavy Armor Passive.
That's really all that's needed.
Um, no. PvE tanks care much more about green points (we have smaller max resource pools, and we don't have the MA/LA sustain bonuses) than about the red points (any additional red points is overkill for us).
Other then Cost Reduction what are you going to invest in? the Recovery Passive is usually pretty *** for PvE tanks cause Heavy Armor is bad...I'd much rather have more Red to spend in passive mitigation and dump my useless green points into Block Cost reduction instead of Stamina or Magicka recovery when both of those stats are generally *** in heavy.
Speak for yourself. My Magicka Tank have 1.6k Magicka Regen with Resistances at cap. If they change CP around like that, it'll be awful for my Magicka Tank.3 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Revert the change!Let's keep voting all.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
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