Xael wrote: »

Edit: if you are using Shuffle you really have no right to complain about anything.

ManDraKE wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Edit: if you are using Shuffle you really have no right to complain about anything.

So 99% of stamina builds can't complain? There is nothing wrong with shuffle, you won't trigger any exploit if you just normaly use the skill.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

OMFG quit whining about nightblades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It'll never happen. Most people who think Nightblades are OP haven't even played as one. Remember, no one ever thinks their build is OP.

I'm levelling one atm, and it's just so damn strong, lol. The passives and all are just super OP. With zenimax just loving NB's so very much it's stupid not to have a NB.

Lol oh really? And how is it OP? Also real fast, are you leveling up a magicka or stamina Nightblade?

Magicka because I hate playing as stam. :P
And they're OP just as they're so good for pretty much anything you want to do, sorc ones are very specific and not very strong on top of that compared to NB ones.

That makes sense. Yeah the magicka Nightblade is pretty ridiculous, I agree. Even made a YouTube video of me beating maelstrom arena naked, standing still, and spamming swallow soul the whole time. Yeah it's a joke lol
https://youtu.be/axsgf6Ei_lU

Erondil wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

i love how one ultimate being changed makes a stam blade so much better than a mag blade. its pick you poison. it is playstyle.. both are equally viable with any competent player.

Are we really gonna keep going wuth the comparison eventhough its out of topic? If yes well let me explain it to you. On live now magblade have an easier time to face an instant burst (healing ward+harness) and a timed burst that deals more damage (proxy+ult+assassins will) this burst is insane damage but easily predictable. On the other hand stamblade has a burst with less damage but less predictable, they can attack weave effectively so better dps, have better hot but dont really have a good way to counter a burst if they just recasted rally. See? Both have their advantages, so thats balanced. Again this is only for a single targey scenario, as I said earlier AoE wise stamblade needs a buff to be in part with magblade.
Now, next patch stamblade will have a maxed predictable burst with same damage as magicka (assassins scourge and killers blade scaling on mighty, thats good) and magicka burst gets a bit of a nerf (proxy change, good change imo) but they also get a way to counter a high burst with bone shield+hots, a way to increase their heal tremendously with major vitality while mag nb relies mainly on shield (so no use of major vitality). At this point there is already no reason left to play magblade in singletarget fights compared to stam, stam got all the advantages of magblade but also those listed above. Now, the incapaciting strike change buffs the instant unpredictable burst of stamblade that was already very strong, it makes it so they dont even have to use all the other burst tools they got this patch... because they can already instakill with the usual ambush+soul harvest or jeavy attack+soul harvest.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

Harness Magicka will give you a shield against stambuilds so no one will instant burst you down with a heavy attack and ult...

As I said earlier, you are one of the best manablades out there, but your statements here aren't fair. Specc to stamblade and play it a few days and you will notice how weak this class actually is at the moment (no burst, no aoe and squishy like hell).

About stamblades you complain but that thether + assassins will (+ deto, which you don't even need against a staminablade) is completely fine in your opinion? Hell you can even burst down sorcs and tanky stam Dks from 80% to 0...

No tether+assassins will doesnt burst stam dk down from 80% to 0% if you go for some sustain. If you want to play with 800 magicka regen and no reduce cost yeah, it might but if you are not lucky with crits, dead. Sure harness magicka will give me a shield but a 6 seconds shield, what kind of fun gameplay is it to recast it every 6 seconds because somebody can get me from 100% to 0%with ambushincap otherwise? Also stam nb gets a shield aswell.
About current stamblade yeah, its weak in largescale AoE fights, but for singletarget situations its really good and in duel the biggest threat for me after stam dk. You should ask Hyssia about stamnb he got a very strong build

The_Outsider wrote: »

Overload?

Xael wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Edit: if you are using Shuffle you really have no right to complain about anything.

So 99% of stamina builds can't complain? There is nothing wrong with shuffle, you won't trigger any exploit if you just normaly use the skill.

ROFL, shuffle is the most broken thing in PvP right now.
Any ability that requires 0 effort (passive) that grants a higher than 30% miss rate is horseshit. Especially when you just roll all over the damn place avoiding everything else.

In fact its the biggest cheese/crutch I have seen. Makes whining about Sorc shields not only hypocritical but weak.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

i love how one ultimate being changed makes a stam blade so much better than a mag blade. its pick you poison. it is playstyle.. both are equally viable with any competent player.

Are we really gonna keep going wuth the comparison eventhough its out of topic? If yes well let me explain it to you. On live now magblade have an easier time to face an instant burst (healing ward+harness) and a timed burst that deals more damage (proxy+ult+assassins will) this burst is insane damage but easily predictable. On the other hand stamblade has a burst with less damage but less predictable, they can attack weave effectively so better dps, have better hot but dont really have a good way to counter a burst if they just recasted rally. See? Both have their advantages, so thats balanced. Again this is only for a single targey scenario, as I said earlier AoE wise stamblade needs a buff to be in part with magblade.
Now, next patch stamblade will have a maxed predictable burst with same damage as magicka (assassins scourge and killers blade scaling on mighty, thats good) and magicka burst gets a bit of a nerf (proxy change, good change imo) but they also get a way to counter a high burst with bone shield+hots, a way to increase their heal tremendously with major vitality while mag nb relies mainly on shield (so no use of major vitality). At this point there is already no reason left to play magblade in singletarget fights compared to stam, stam got all the advantages of magblade but also those listed above. Now, the incapaciting strike change buffs the instant unpredictable burst of stamblade that was already very strong, it makes it so they dont even have to use all the other burst tools they got this patch... because they can already instakill with the usual ambush+soul harvest or jeavy attack+soul harvest.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

Harness Magicka will give you a shield against stambuilds so no one will instant burst you down with a heavy attack and ult...

As I said earlier, you are one of the best manablades out there, but your statements here aren't fair. Specc to stamblade and play it a few days and you will notice how weak this class actually is at the moment (no burst, no aoe and squishy like hell).

About stamblades you complain but that thether + assassins will (+ deto, which you don't even need against a staminablade) is completely fine in your opinion? Hell you can even burst down sorcs and tanky stam Dks from 80% to 0...

No tether+assassins will doesnt burst stam dk down from 80% to 0% if you go for some sustain. If you want to play with 800 magicka regen and no reduce cost yeah, it might but if you are not lucky with crits, dead. Sure harness magicka will give me a shield but a 6 seconds shield, what kind of fun gameplay is it to recast it every 6 seconds because somebody can get me from 100% to 0%with ambushincap otherwise? Also stam nb gets a shield aswell.
About current stamblade yeah, its weak in largescale AoE fights, but for singletarget situations its really good and in duel the biggest threat for me after stam dk. You should ask Hyssia about stamnb he got a very strong build

ok now let me explain something. you use one type of burst for mag nb and compare it to a different type of burst with stam nb. mag nb can pull of the same type of burst as a stam blade with soul harvest. why is this so lost on people? a mag blade can weave in a soul harvest and get all of the same buffs to buff the damage to an equivalent level. additionally, the amount of heals the player gets back from swallow soul is still pretty damn nice even with the nerf. that combined with healing ward is right up there with vigor and shield combo you speak of. plus a magbalde could choose to run mutagen instead which gives off a pretty solid tick. Plus, a mag blade now has 2 shields against all damage. to say mag balde is not competetive in small scale is ignorant and wrong. again, it will be what ever the perosonal players choice will be. both are viable. both have defesnse. both have heals. both have burst damage. even taking det out, both have solid aoe available. mag blade has sap. stam blade has steel tornado or bombard or the new buffed aoe in 2h.

Erondil wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

i love how one ultimate being changed makes a stam blade so much better than a mag blade. its pick you poison. it is playstyle.. both are equally viable with any competent player.

Are we really gonna keep going wuth the comparison eventhough its out of topic? If yes well let me explain it to you. On live now magblade have an easier time to face an instant burst (healing ward+harness) and a timed burst that deals more damage (proxy+ult+assassins will) this burst is insane damage but easily predictable. On the other hand stamblade has a burst with less damage but less predictable, they can attack weave effectively so better dps, have better hot but dont really have a good way to counter a burst if they just recasted rally. See? Both have their advantages, so thats balanced. Again this is only for a single targey scenario, as I said earlier AoE wise stamblade needs a buff to be in part with magblade.
Now, next patch stamblade will have a maxed predictable burst with same damage as magicka (assassins scourge and killers blade scaling on mighty, thats good) and magicka burst gets a bit of a nerf (proxy change, good change imo) but they also get a way to counter a high burst with bone shield+hots, a way to increase their heal tremendously with major vitality while mag nb relies mainly on shield (so no use of major vitality). At this point there is already no reason left to play magblade in singletarget fights compared to stam, stam got all the advantages of magblade but also those listed above. Now, the incapaciting strike change buffs the instant unpredictable burst of stamblade that was already very strong, it makes it so they dont even have to use all the other burst tools they got this patch... because they can already instakill with the usual ambush+soul harvest or jeavy attack+soul harvest.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

Harness Magicka will give you a shield against stambuilds so no one will instant burst you down with a heavy attack and ult...

As I said earlier, you are one of the best manablades out there, but your statements here aren't fair. Specc to stamblade and play it a few days and you will notice how weak this class actually is at the moment (no burst, no aoe and squishy like hell).

About stamblades you complain but that thether + assassins will (+ deto, which you don't even need against a staminablade) is completely fine in your opinion? Hell you can even burst down sorcs and tanky stam Dks from 80% to 0...

No tether+assassins will doesnt burst stam dk down from 80% to 0% if you go for some sustain. If you want to play with 800 magicka regen and no reduce cost yeah, it might but if you are not lucky with crits, dead. Sure harness magicka will give me a shield but a 6 seconds shield, what kind of fun gameplay is it to recast it every 6 seconds because somebody can get me from 100% to 0%with ambushincap otherwise? Also stam nb gets a shield aswell.
About current stamblade yeah, its weak in largescale AoE fights, but for singletarget situations its really good and in duel the biggest threat for me after stam dk. You should ask Hyssia about stamnb he got a very strong build

ok now let me explain something. you use one type of burst for mag nb and compare it to a different type of burst with stam nb. mag nb can pull of the same type of burst as a stam blade with soul harvest. why is this so lost on people? a mag blade can weave in a soul harvest and get all of the same buffs to buff the damage to an equivalent level. additionally, the amount of heals the player gets back from swallow soul is still pretty damn nice even with the nerf. that combined with healing ward is right up there with vigor and shield combo you speak of. plus a magbalde could choose to run mutagen instead which gives off a pretty solid tick. Plus, a mag blade now has 2 shields against all damage. to say mag balde is not competetive in small scale is ignorant and wrong. again, it will be what ever the perosonal players choice will be. both are viable. both have defesnse. both have heals. both have burst damage. even taking det out, both have solid aoe available. mag blade has sap. stam blade has steel tornado or bombard or the new buffed aoe in 2h.

Lol if you want to weave soul harvest effectively you need to use destro, so you lose alot of damage on your soul harvest+ its a projectile so less damage, more likely to be dodged and reflectable. Thats not the case for stamina builds. And rapid regen is a joke, or at least not worth a slot because as magblade you already have many skills to consider. Anyway keep believing whatever, not like you gonna change your mind, personnally if this patch goes through as it is I will just enjoy playing stamblade or stamdk with insane damage and survivability, like 90% of smallscale players out there.

Xael wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Edit: if you are using Shuffle you really have no right to complain about anything.

So 99% of stamina builds can't complain? There is nothing wrong with shuffle, you won't trigger any exploit if you just normaly use the skill.

ROFL, shuffle is the most broken thing in PvP right now.
Any ability that requires 0 effort (passive) that grants a higher than 30% miss rate is horseshit. Especially when you just roll all over the damn place avoiding everything else.

In fact its the biggest cheese/crutch I have seen. Makes whining about Sorc shields not only hypocritical but weak.

double take also grants major evasion, and i don't see you complaining about double take. Why? because you have no idea what are you talking about. Most of the misses that people see, are because dodge roll and no because of shuffle.

I don't mention Double Take because good Stamblades use Shuffle and save their Magicka for better skills.
Shuffle also provides a snare removal which is invaluable. You couldn't make a better case for being uninformed.

Most of the misses people see are a mix of both the Shuffle effect and Dodge Roll. Had you spent any decent amount of time paying attention in Cyrodiil you would understand this. You would also note all the players who are average and above are all using it.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

For those devolving this into a magicka vs stamina argument.

manny254 wrote: »

I think the problem is that the skill does too much for one global cool down.

This is in a similar vein to why they changed wrecking blow. The issue I have had when fighting people is that when it is used I probably have one global cool down to react after the cc break. Do I purge the negative effects or heal? There really is no correct answer, and you are forced to die. I would imagine it is even worse for classes without a purge.

The problem is incap does too much for one global cooldown.

High damage
Healing debuff
CC
+20% damage vs the target

By high damage you mean the equivalent of one wrecking blow? What justifies this as an ultimate is the major defile in conjunction with the damage buff. And magicka users have the same capabilities with soul harvest. Magicka has been overpowered, and now stamina has caught up. Now the main difference between the two play types is that magicka has better resource management, and heals. Whereas stamina is able to dodge roll and break free more often. Magicka is superior at a distance, and stamina is superior up close. This is the most balanced I've seen this game yet, and magicka users are whining about it because they're no longer ridiculously over powered in comparison.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

OMFG quit whining about nightblades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It'll never happen. Most people who think Nightblades are OP haven't even played as one. Remember, no one ever thinks their build is OP.

I'm levelling one atm, and it's just so damn strong, lol. The passives and all are just super OP. With zenimax just loving NB's so very much it's stupid not to have a NB.

Lol oh really? And how is it OP? Also real fast, are you leveling up a magicka or stamina Nightblade?

Magicka because I hate playing as stam. :P
And they're OP just as they're so good for pretty much anything you want to do, sorc ones are very specific and not very strong on top of that compared to NB ones.

That makes sense. Yeah the magicka Nightblade is pretty ridiculous, I agree. Even made a YouTube video of me beating maelstrom arena naked, standing still, and spamming swallow soul the whole time. Yeah it's a joke lol
https://youtu.be/axsgf6Ei_lU

LoL

To be fair, this is more an indictment of what ZoS deems "normal" difficulty than anything else.

The arena is scaled to level 22... any class can do this. This proves nothing.

Lol oh really? So the arena was scaled to my level and I was completely naked spamming one move over and over, and that proves nothing? Please replicate this using a stamina Nightblade. Be completely naked, and only spam surprise attack. I'm sure it's possible, but you know what the major difference would be? You wouldn't be stationary the whole time; even standing in AoEs. You would actually have to be evasive, and strategic. Playing magicka I can go full idiot mode, and beat it with ease.

Erondil wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

i love how one ultimate being changed makes a stam blade so much better than a mag blade. its pick you poison. it is playstyle.. both are equally viable with any competent player.

Are we really gonna keep going wuth the comparison eventhough its out of topic? If yes well let me explain it to you. On live now magblade have an easier time to face an instant burst (healing ward+harness) and a timed burst that deals more damage (proxy+ult+assassins will) this burst is insane damage but easily predictable. On the other hand stamblade has a burst with less damage but less predictable, they can attack weave effectively so better dps, have better hot but dont really have a good way to counter a burst if they just recasted rally. See? Both have their advantages, so thats balanced. Again this is only for a single targey scenario, as I said earlier AoE wise stamblade needs a buff to be in part with magblade.
Now, next patch stamblade will have a maxed predictable burst with same damage as magicka (assassins scourge and killers blade scaling on mighty, thats good) and magicka burst gets a bit of a nerf (proxy change, good change imo) but they also get a way to counter a high burst with bone shield+hots, a way to increase their heal tremendously with major vitality while mag nb relies mainly on shield (so no use of major vitality). At this point there is already no reason left to play magblade in singletarget fights compared to stam, stam got all the advantages of magblade but also those listed above. Now, the incapaciting strike change buffs the instant unpredictable burst of stamblade that was already very strong, it makes it so they dont even have to use all the other burst tools they got this patch... because they can already instakill with the usual ambush+soul harvest or jeavy attack+soul harvest.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would also say that might of the guild vs ambush is situational. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with soul harvest I'd say ambush is better. If you're wanting to hit your opponent with a meteor, I'd say might of the guild is better.

This is not quite in topic, people were wondering why soul harvest damage is "ok" for magblade and incapaciting strike damage won't for stamblade. It all comes down to how the latter synergies well with ambush and heavy attack and how unpredictable it is, while none of those have their equivalent for magicka NB

So this whole issue is over the fact that ambush + incapacitating strike combo hits harder than lotus fan + soul harvest? Then my response to that would be to get over it. There are many other aspects where the magblade outperforms the stamblade. Getting upset because a stamblade out shines a magblade in a particular facet is childish.

No its not this whole issue.. its the main difference between incapaciting and soul harvest, along with the light/heavy attack weaving as many people defending incapaciting strike were saying that mag nb could already do the same. Its obviously not the only reasons why incapaciting strike will be OP.
To put it like this both morphs dealing magic damage was balanced because stamina could include it in better/less predictable rotation but the damage of the skill itself would be higher for magblade. Now this chose broke this balance. And I really dont see the advantages of magicka nb compared to stamina, except the AoE bombing that needs balance aswel. I will repeat myself, next patch magblade will still be the way to go for largescale/AoE but stamina will be the only competitive choice for single target/smallscale, magicka lost all his advantages for this kind of PvP. Thats not how the game should be balanced imo. Anyway I'm out of topic, the magicka/stamina nb balance isnt really my main issue here, my point is that incap gonna be op and I just wanted to show whats wrong with the soul harvest magicka nb argument.

Harness Magicka will give you a shield against stambuilds so no one will instant burst you down with a heavy attack and ult...

As I said earlier, you are one of the best manablades out there, but your statements here aren't fair. Specc to stamblade and play it a few days and you will notice how weak this class actually is at the moment (no burst, no aoe and squishy like hell).

About stamblades you complain but that thether + assassins will (+ deto, which you don't even need against a staminablade) is completely fine in your opinion? Hell you can even burst down sorcs and tanky stam Dks from 80% to 0...

No tether+assassins will doesnt burst stam dk down from 80% to 0% if you go for some sustain. If you want to play with 800 magicka regen and no reduce cost yeah, it might but if you are not lucky with crits, dead. Sure harness magicka will give me a shield but a 6 seconds shield, what kind of fun gameplay is it to recast it every 6 seconds because somebody can get me from 100% to 0%with ambushincap otherwise? Also stam nb gets a shield aswell.
About current stamblade yeah, its weak in largescale AoE fights, but for singletarget situations its really good and in duel the biggest threat for me after stam dk. You should ask Hyssia about stamnb he got a very strong build

ok now let me explain something. you use one type of burst for mag nb and compare it to a different type of burst with stam nb. mag nb can pull of the same type of burst as a stam blade with soul harvest. why is this so lost on people? a mag blade can weave in a soul harvest and get all of the same buffs to buff the damage to an equivalent level. additionally, the amount of heals the player gets back from swallow soul is still pretty damn nice even with the nerf. that combined with healing ward is right up there with vigor and shield combo you speak of. plus a magbalde could choose to run mutagen instead which gives off a pretty solid tick. Plus, a mag blade now has 2 shields against all damage. to say mag balde is not competetive in small scale is ignorant and wrong. again, it will be what ever the perosonal players choice will be. both are viable. both have defesnse. both have heals. both have burst damage. even taking det out, both have solid aoe available. mag blade has sap. stam blade has steel tornado or bombard or the new buffed aoe in 2h.

Lol if you want to weave soul harvest effectively you need to use destro, so you lose alot of damage on your soul harvest+ its a projectile so less damage, more likely to be dodged and reflectable. Thats not the case for stamina builds. And rapid regen is a joke, or at least not worth a slot because as magblade you already have many skills to consider. Anyway keep believing whatever, not like you gonna change your mind, personnally if this patch goes through as it is I will just enjoy playing stamblade or stamdk with insane damage and survivability, like 90% of smallscale players out there.

yup, and i prefer a desto over dw because it has better burst capabilities. Hence why you can do it on a mag blade. you also would not be doing it from range since, you know, your weaving in a melee attack. im sure many players of all sorts will be running stam. Everyone needs a fotm to turn to. That does not mean that a mag nb lacks 1vx capabilities. it does not mean that it is not viable. Simply because people choose a particular playstyle because others are doing it does not mean it is "the best." simple fact is both mag and stam playstyles have shields, high damage, high sustain, hot, etc. I think we will see more diversity this patch than any other. Not only because this is the most balance we have seen since 1.5, but also because people will play multiple toons now that vet ranks are gone. So you and your "90%" can go play your fotm build while I will continue to play various build types that are equally as viable behind the controls of a competent player.

I never said its not viable, I said stamina nb gonna be better on every point, see the difference? Also I had to lol at "the most balance we've seen since 1.5" because both patches are some of the most unbalanced in smallscale PvP imo.