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Should nirn traits come from Undaunted keys and not just MSA leaderboard.
NewBlacksmurf
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Saw on the PTS notes that nirn trait items are possible from MSA leaderboards. Just taking a poll if anyone thinks the undaunted keys would be a good source to include nirn traits too?
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 25, 2016 10:37PM -PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Should nirn traits come from Undaunted keys and not just MSA leaderboard. 29 votes
Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keys
58%
17 votes
No, nirn should only come from Crag trials and vMSA leaderboard
20%
6 votes
Other suggestions/idea
0%
I don't think MSA should offer nirn trait
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6 votes
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The nirn weapon trait is now crap. Why would anyone want it?Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭we will see if its crap once theory crafters do some tests, i guess cp will change a bit to penetration instead0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keysThe nirn weapon trait is now crap. Why would anyone want it?
To complete 9 trait research faster than finding the item in trail or guild store.
Just to help offset costs and low chance of finding specific items with the trait.
So with BD, it's MSA leaderboard and Trials weekly.
But I'm thinking to include undaunted keys too or the mail after doing the random queues.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
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- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
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- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
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- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keysWell, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
Nirnhoned on weapons now increases weapon damage by a static amount. Penetration has also been changed into a flat number, the amount is a little over 5000 physical and spell resistance penetration at Legendary which may outweigh Nirnhoned weapon damage increase.0 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keysI agree except for the Vma leaderboardEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
I've read about the change. And actually looked at the numbers on the PTS. Nirnhoned is crap now.Edited by code65536 on April 26, 2016 5:16AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keys
Hmm, I felt the opposite about thisNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
I've read about the change. And actually looked like the numbers on the PTS. Nirnhoned is cap now.
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Hmm, I felt the opposite about thisNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
I've read about the change. And actually looked like the numbers on the PTS. Nirnhoned is cap now.
Think gold 160cp nirnhoned increases w/s damage by 149 ( or a number close to it i can't remember exactly) 5000 penetration works out as something like 10-15% increase in actual damage.
So yea all my nirn swords and staffs are now not even 2nd best :'(PS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Hmm, I felt the opposite about thisNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
I've read about the change. And actually looked like the numbers on the PTS. Nirnhoned is cap now.
Legendary:
Nirnhoned is 11% increase in weapon damage for one-handed and 22% increase in weapon damage two-handed.
Sharpened is 2580 physical and spell penetration for one-handed and 5160 physical and spell penetration for two-handed.
One-handed weapons have 1335 damage. The calculated increase comes to 1482 damage.
Bows have 1335 damage, but count as two-handed. it's final number is 1629 damage.
Two-handed weapons have 1571 damage. That comes out to around 1917 damage0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keysnirn has been in the game for awhile, should have a chance to drop from chests,dolmens,world bosses in wrothgar/hews bane.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keysphaneub17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Hmm, I felt the opposite about thisNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
I've read about the change. And actually looked like the numbers on the PTS. Nirnhoned is cap now.
Legendary:
Nirnhoned is 11% increase in weapon damage for one-handed and 22% increase in weapon damage two-handed.
Sharpened is 2580 physical and spell penetration for one-handed and 5160 physical and spell penetration for two-handed.
One-handed weapons have 1335 damage. The calculated increase comes to 1482 damage.
Bows have 1335 damage, but count as two-handed. it's final number is 1629 damage.
Two-handed weapons have 1571 damage. That comes out to around 1917 damage
Yep I'm aware of all this but I don't hit with my swords cause I'm a caster and my other weapon is a healing staff so maybe we see things differently
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Hmm, I felt the opposite about thisNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
I've read about the change. And actually looked like the numbers on the PTS. Nirnhoned is cap now.
Legendary:
Nirnhoned is 11% increase in weapon damage for one-handed and 22% increase in weapon damage two-handed.
Sharpened is 2580 physical and spell penetration for one-handed and 5160 physical and spell penetration for two-handed.
One-handed weapons have 1335 damage. The calculated increase comes to 1482 damage.
Bows have 1335 damage, but count as two-handed. it's final number is 1629 damage.
Two-handed weapons have 1571 damage. That comes out to around 1917 damage
Yep I'm aware of all this but I don't hit with my swords cause I'm a caster and my other weapon is a healing staff so maybe we see things differently
Oh yeah I know, it's not that. As you know your weapon's base damage also affects your spell damage and how they add up affecting abilities, before magicka or stamina is calculated. For spells that apply heals, shields, and enhancements Nirnhoned wins overall. For direct assault spells and dots Sharpened is the clear winner as it's now a static amount instead of a percentage so Light and Medium armored targets are more susceptible to getting hit with bigger numbers, and less effective against Heavy Armored targets. If you're a healer, having one weapon with Powered and another with Nirnhoned dual wielding might be the better option, or if you do more buffing than dual Nirnhoned or single Staff Nirnhoned is preferable.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, nirn trait item should come from both MSA Leaderboard and Undaunted keysphaneub17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Hmm, I felt the opposite about thisNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Well, I for one do not want nirnhoned to drop from vMA. It's such a useless trait now (and Sharpened is so OP) that having nirnhoned drop as a possible trait just means that there's one more junk trait to pollute the loot table. Yes, it's that bad now.
Have you read about the change?
I think it's useful again. Mix that and weapon enchant! Or poison!!
I've read about the change. And actually looked like the numbers on the PTS. Nirnhoned is cap now.
Legendary:
Nirnhoned is 11% increase in weapon damage for one-handed and 22% increase in weapon damage two-handed.
Sharpened is 2580 physical and spell penetration for one-handed and 5160 physical and spell penetration for two-handed.
One-handed weapons have 1335 damage. The calculated increase comes to 1482 damage.
Bows have 1335 damage, but count as two-handed. it's final number is 1629 damage.
Two-handed weapons have 1571 damage. That comes out to around 1917 damage
Yep I'm aware of all this but I don't hit with my swords cause I'm a caster and my other weapon is a healing staff so maybe we see things differently
Oh yeah I know, it's not that. As you know your weapon's base damage also affects your spell damage and how they add up affecting abilities, before magicka or stamina is calculated. For spells that apply heals, shields, and enhancements Nirnhoned wins overall. For direct assault spells and dots Sharpened is the clear winner as it's now a static amount instead of a percentage so Light and Medium armored targets are more susceptible to getting hit with bigger numbers, and less effective against Heavy Armored targets. If you're a healer, having one weapon with Powered and another with Nirnhoned dual wielding might be the better option, or if you do more buffing than dual Nirnhoned or single Staff Nirnhoned is preferable.
Yep sorry I'm a healing Templar so that's my bad for not saying that earlier.
But I'm more interested in researching the other nirn triats that I don't use like some of the medium and heavy armor.
And another rant I'm having on PTS about ZOS changing traits but completely overlooked adding a system to remove and replace traits as a result.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Nirnhoned is 11% increase in weapon damage for one-handed and 22% increase in weapon damage two-handed.
Incorrect. It's 11% for all weapon types. The half-potency traits are only for traits that boost global values, such as penetration or crit chance. For traits that affect only that particular item's stat, it's the same potency for 1H and 2H.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1 -
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✭I don't think MSA should offer nirn traitThis defeats the main purpose of this trait: requiring you to actually socialize and trade with someone in order to unlock something good something this game does not have enough of. with this patch the economy for nirn the only item you have to get from other players will go down the toilet.PS4 NA
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