stop asking for things to be handed out freely to you, especially with something like this do you really expect them to do it for free, honestly?
Solid_Metal wrote: »
Solid_Metal wrote: »
clocksstoppe wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »
So you say 5k crows is fair for it? Thats TWO EXPANSIONS worth of crowns.
Just shows how powerful the craft bag is. It's hilarious that all these subs are defending its exclusivity with "it's not a big deal, only convenience!!!" when people are considering buying it for 5k crowns.
and they ain't paying so they get NOTHING!!!!AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »Welcome to first class, economy class is in the back... with the cargo.....
You get what you PAY for.
clocksstoppe wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »
So you say 5k crows is fair for it? Thats TWO EXPANSIONS worth of crowns.
Just shows how powerful the craft bag is. It's hilarious that all these subs are defending its exclusivity with "it's not a big deal, only convenience!!!" when people are considering buying it for 5k crowns.
How "powerful" it is?
I want what you are smoking. It is a convienience item pure and simple.
TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Sounds like jealousy to me, ever heard the term you get what you pay for? well your not paying for anything so you will get what you pay for which is nothing.and they ain't paying so they get NOTHING!!!!AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »Welcome to first class, economy class is in the back... with the cargo.....
You get what you PAY for.
clocksstoppe wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Sounds like jealousy to me, ever heard the term you get what you pay for? well your not paying for anything so you will get what you pay for which is nothing.and they ain't paying so they get NOTHING!!!!AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »Welcome to first class, economy class is in the back... with the cargo.....
You get what you PAY for.
Genius, we want to pay for it.
clocksstoppe wrote: »
So you say 5k crows is fair for it? Thats TWO EXPANSIONS worth of crowns.
Just shows how powerful the craft bag is. It's hilarious that all these subs are defending its exclusivity with "it's not a big deal, only convenience!!!" when people are considering buying it for 5k crowns.
Solid_Metal wrote: »No! Children suffering is unfair. You are just either cheap or poor.
cause i dont have credit card and by any means cant make it either in this 3rd world country
fml right?
if ZoS allowed us to pay eso+ with steam wallet it would be another story, but as for now they not allowed it, steam wallet only usable on buying crown, thus how i support the game
Solid_Metal wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »
So you say 5k crows is fair for it? Thats TWO EXPANSIONS worth of crowns.
Just shows how powerful the craft bag is. It's hilarious that all these subs are defending its exclusivity with "it's not a big deal, only convenience!!!" when people are considering buying it for 5k crowns.
yes...
and no, its not about powerfull or not, who give a crap, its just conmvinience, pass me the blunt brah
and why i not mind paying 5k for that?, because i cant sub, and this is my previous statementSolid_Metal wrote: »No! Children suffering is unfair. You are just either cheap or poor.
cause i dont have credit card and by any means cant make it either in this 3rd world country
fml right?
if ZoS allowed us to pay eso+ with steam wallet it would be another story, but as for now they not allowed it, steam wallet only usable on buying crown, thus how i support the game
as you see, i love this game, i support it as long as i can and with the way that i can support it, sub is not an option as for now, thus why i prefer tu support them buy buying the mats bag for 5K
It's a quality of life thing. I can do just fine without the crafting bag...but when I get it it'll be fantastic.
Wanderinlost wrote: »
Good for you. Nobody in this thread in 255 posts has even suggested otherwise. How is this particular feature being on the market(appropriatley priced for its value) detract from that perk you are going to get? When this game went B2P we were given the green light to play and support this game without subbing, many of us have come back and continue to spend based on that. Many of us pay a premium for the flexibility DLC offers. That doesn't mean we spend less or are less loyal customers. Your subscription does not make you more loyal unless you boil loyalty down to dollar spent. 2 years fo sub, is about $200? Well many B2P customers have spent way more than that and have also bought the game, and previously subbed.
I suppose it is the Non-subs who have been acting in blind loyalty that there value as a customer would not be diminished by having a feature denied at a later date.
Wanderinlost wrote: »
Good for you. Nobody in this thread in 255 posts has even suggested otherwise. How is this particular feature being on the market(appropriatley priced for its value) detract from that perk you are going to get? When this game went B2P we were given the green light to play and support this game without subbing, many of us have come back and continue to spend based on that. Many of us pay a premium for the flexibility DLC offers. That doesn't mean we spend less or are less loyal customers. Your subscription does not make you more loyal unless you boil loyalty down to dollar spent. 2 years fo sub, is about $200? Well many B2P customers have spent way more than that and have also bought the game, and previously subbed.
I suppose it is the Non-subs who have been acting in blind loyalty that there value as a customer would not be diminished by having a feature denied at a later date.
Every person that I know who subs, also buys crowns too therefore we double dip.....even MORE reason it should be sub only
I said this at the start of the thread but it got lost so I'll say it again here in as close to a TLDR form as I can manage...
ZoS may indeed may make more money up front by making it available in the crown store... but for them this isn't just about getting the money it's HOW they get the money!
Crown store microtransactions are not consistent or easily forecast able.... Subs are.
With higher subs, ZoS has a FORECAST-ABLE and consistent revenue stream... this is essential when managing a project of this size, and discussing development etc with shareholders.
I would suggest they have a need to increase the number of subs after many people dropped them.... this is an ideal way.
So it's not about what people consider fair... or about being able to give them money via a microtransacxtion... it's HOW they get the money that's important here.
Wanderinlost wrote: »I said this at the start of the thread but it got lost so I'll say it again here in as close to a TLDR form as I can manage...
ZoS may indeed may make more money up front by making it available in the crown store... but for them this isn't just about getting the money it's HOW they get the money!
Crown store microtransactions are not consistent or easily forecast able.... Subs are.
With higher subs, ZoS has a FORECAST-ABLE and consistent revenue stream... this is essential when managing a project of this size, and discussing development etc with shareholders.
I would suggest they have a need to increase the number of subs after many people dropped them.... this is an ideal way.
So it's not about what people consider fair... or about being able to give them money via a microtransacxtion... it's HOW they get the money that's important here.
There are other ways to incentivise. They do not need to push people into it by excluding half their clientele who are only here because of the original deal. B2P, microtransaction, DLC. IF we wanted to sub players would not have left in droves to the point of the game stalling. We are here now spending money and buying content, becasue of the understanding we will get everything. Not everything for free but the option to buy. Now they are going back on that by changing the deal.
Higher subs are good, but this is not the way to do it. I have said it before but how is this going to retain subs any better than before? The lack of a crafting bag was not what drove people away in the first place. It won't be what keeps them. What it will do is all but insure that we cannot count on this as a real B2P game anymore. If i have to I will sub to access the feature, but it will be 1-2 months per year and they will never get anything other than that from me again. It will always be a barrier. How many others will see this as I do is hard to say but if it is obvious after a few hours I am sure many others will figure it out as well.
I do believe that subbing should have more incentive, and a crafting bag with infinite space would be great for that.
That said, as someone who cannot sub every single month (and thus cannot ever, because having and then losing such a crafting bag would be too painful!), I hope they will at least consider putting more bank upgrades in the crown store, or maybe some limited 30ish space crafting bag. I'd be happy with anything at this point. Logging in and out takes a very long time so using mules frustrates me.