Ah, the Doshia nerf.

Never forgive. Never forget.

This cannot happen.....

Ah the days when the questing zones were actually challenging, and you actually died a few times trying to take down bosses, they were once the skeletons from oblivion turned into the skeletons from skyrim.

These news have let me quite disappointed as well. Of the "hardest" 4-man content we have right now, vDSA isn't even scaled to VR16 (can it even still be counted among the hardest?), and vCoA, vICP and vWGT are being nerfed. What incentive will there be for people to do them? None.

You're creating harder trials and even buffing SO, but you're forgetting that challenging content doesn't necessarily mean it has to be done by 12 people. If you don't even make new 4-man content, why take away what little we have on it?

Those dungeons were very difficult to complete at first. They took hours to even complete! But what did we do about it? We learned them. We mastered the mechanics and changed our playtstyle to be able to do them. I'm not the best player in this game, by far, but did I consider them a roadblock? Never! They made me want to get better to be able to complete them, they challenged me like no other dungeon had.

@ZOS, please reconsider this decision. Those dungeons are no roadblock, only an incentive to improve, and part of the few left in this game.

People find it easy because they are constantly trying to push dps builds beyond what the game intended. The solution: stop pushing so hard. Zenimax has to be fair to everyone you know, and not everyone min/maxes to such extremes nor are they expected to.

code65536 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I agree. I solo'd the lamia world boss from hew's bane casually as I passed by. The lamia boss from stage 3 of vMSA was harder. I heard once that vMSA was balanced around 250cp (ish). Makes you wonder what the new v16 content is balanced around. I think most players have more cp than that now. Soloing v16 group dungeons still feels pretty challanging, shame about the group mechanics that prevent you from finishing solo. vMSA is also still a challenge for me, everything else is a piece of cake though.

I've beaten vMA, and I've also soloed all the world bosses in Hew's Bane and in Wrothgar. And I would say that the Hew's Bane lamia boss was much harder than the vMA lamia boss.

Anyway, I think the difficulty of the new world bosses are fine: most people can't solo them. But world bosses can't be the only challenge that there is, and they are quite a far cry from real content like a proper 4-person instance.

Yeah I first did the lamia from vMSA with about 200cp, I now have 501 so that might have something to do with it.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

People find it easy because they are constantly trying to push dps builds beyond what the game intended. The solution: stop pushing so hard. Zenimax has to be fair to everyone you know, and not everyone min/maxes to such extremes nor are they expected to.

Being fair, would mean providing progression and meaningful gameplay for their playerbase. Veteran 16 content can be easily done with green v14 gear - even with no armour pieces... is that an extremity? If it is not intended, why does ZOS leave it as it is, and make it even moreso what it shouldn't be with each update?

The point is, ZOS is focused on making content more accessible and easier, without providing anything in its place. I'm perfectly fine with parts of the game being more open to a wider range of the playerbase, we've played the content and had the satisfaction of beating it.

Yet, we have nothing in its place to do. This is the issue many of us long time players have. Newer content is being released catering to the baseline of their players, while at the same time older content is being brought down with it.

@ZOS_Finn , I hope you address these concerns of your playerbase, and work on providing meaningful content for all of the ESO community, not only a part of it.

Praeficere wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

People find it easy because they are constantly trying to push dps builds beyond what the game intended. The solution: stop pushing so hard. Zenimax has to be fair to everyone you know, and not everyone min/maxes to such extremes nor are they expected to.

Being fair, would mean providing progression and meaningful gameplay for their playerbase. Veteran 16 content can be easily done with green v14 gear - even with no armour pieces... is that an extremity? If it is not intended, why does ZOS leave it as it is, and make it even moreso what it shouldn't be with each update?

The point is, ZOS is focused on making content more accessible and easier, without providing anything in its place. I'm perfectly fine with parts of the game being more open to a wider range of the playerbase, we've played the content and had the satisfaction of beating it.

Yet, we have nothing in its place to do. This is the issue many of us long time players have. Newer content is being released catering to the baseline of their players, while at the same time older content is being brought down with it.

@ZOS_Finn , I hope you address these concerns of your playerbase, and work on providing meaningful content for all of the ESO community, not only a part of it.

They gave us things like vMA for those that do go to extremes. Everything else is child's play to those people because of said extremes they go to. I do not blame them for trying nor am I saying there is a lack of difficult content but those saying everything, even the difficult stuff, is too easy should probably just take a step back rather than continue to plow forward in an effort to be godly. After all we make things easier or harder from the base difficulty.

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I think they should get rid of Normal and Veteran dungeon, then replace it with a 5 level tiers of difficulty. 1 is easy mode like a tutorial of dungeons, 2 is equivalent to Normal dungeons, 3 is equivalent to veteran dungeons, 4 and 5 are new harder difficulties for higher rewards for those seeking a greater challenge without hampering those who don't. You simply select checkboxes in your Group settings and when you do Specific or Random Dungeon Finder it will look for players who made the same selections you did.

Adding more difficulties alone would not solve the problem. The main problem is achievements. Everyone wants them but if things are too hard for them they cannot get them and then complain. When things get easy enough for them those that did not have such a hard time complain it is too easy. To add new difficulties to cater to those that are not getting challenged properly would mean it has to be something they do of their own accord with no special reward or achievement to make those unable to do it feel like they are missing out. Problem is they don't want to do it just for kicks otherwise they never would've min/maxed in the first place...

omg,
it will feel soo unsatisfying, when i finally manage to get the last piece of scathing mage's after the 5th somewhat nerf.

Go to Cyrodiil for some challenge.
Duel people for alternate challenge.
Try to handle content at 0Cp (new account) or with less powerful gear choices.

There are plenty ways to challenge yourself. Its generally expected in these games though that they get a lot easier when you have BiS gear at max level.

Edit: There is another point to be made here. This game is yet young and there aren't a lot of choices for you raider type players out there. There needs to be enough viable content for people to enjoy without feeling like they are banging their head against the wall. It is good to have content that requires skill though, but they've got a lot in the hopper, I'm not sure there is much to worry about. By the end of this year I bet we see Mephala's realm, Clockwork City and Murkmire. I'm sure that will keep us all pretty busy and there will be plenty new challenging content to do.

BDO is the easiest MMO 2016 lol

I agree.
Its already so stupidly easy.
And btw, this fact and people failing in dungeons are closely related - they dont l2p simply because they dont see any incentive to it and the game doesnt encourage any kind of skillful approach.
So imo it needs more balance outside dungeons so people wont just ignore interrupt telegraphs and red circles and use something except light attacks. This way, "hard" dungeons wont be that hard and become a more enjoyable experience.

Everybody gets a trophy. Hoping to log in later to see bloodsqawn impen helm and shoulders in my mail.