Auction house please.
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.
Honestly no one's experience matters one iota.
The developers made the game. We did not.
They are not obligated to copy the systems on every other MMO just because it's in every other MMO.
They wanted a different system for this game. They didn't want Walmart simulator but went for the small town trader feel. From the other poll 2 out of 3 agree and like the system as it is with perhaps some changes to the UI to allow better searching of stuff on the trader ala Awesome Guild Store.
In any case the argument is old, tons of threads have been posted since the beginning of the game. They have said it will not happen. But keep on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better. At least it will be nice and tender for the scavengers if there is anything left but bones at this point.
Again the polls you speak of are a minority of the players that actually play. Most people do NOT participate on the forums and 9/10 of ppl I run into, wish for a better systems in place.
Are you aware that 69% of statistics are drawn from samples of populations, right? The other 31% are drawn from samples of samples. Or did you think that a surveyor(? Is this even the right word) would harass every single person on the planet until they had a full and definitive result that would accurately represent the opinions of the masses. Also, statistics are made up.0 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭I don't have time to be online constantly checking see anyone out bid me for an item, guild trader works for me.
You must not know Auction Houses tend to work. It's not like Ebay where you put up a bid and hope your bid is the highest and wait for the time to end. Have you ever tried other MMOs with a functional AH?Edited by Paneross on April 13, 2016 1:07PM2 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭kawazu874b16_ESO wrote: »very shortly, AH is "one-market", one-market is inflation, inflation lowers money value, lower money value calls pay to win model and gold sellers.
Guild traders aren't very far from TP. If you can't take time to just go through the world for that thing you want sooo much, you're too lazy to have it. (satanic laugh like in M. Jackson's Thriller
)
In my experience, this is wrong.
One-market = more concentrated supply.
More supply = LOWER prices due to competition.
Convenience of not having to join pay-to-stay trade guilds = BONUS
Convenience of not having to zone all over nirn and gone to buy one item = BONUS
The only people against this IMO are scammy trade guild monopolies.
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✭✭I don't have time to be online constantly checking see anyone out bid me for an item, guild trader works for me.
You must not know Auction Houses tend to work. It's not like Ebay where you put up a bid and hope your bid is the highest and wait for the time to end. Have you ever tried other MMOs with a functional AH?
Yea, it is like that. Do you even mmo pal? Just like the real world you can pay some outlandish "buyout" price and get it right away as well. The more I read through your posts and claims on this thread the more I've come to realize this is your very first mmo, or your experience with the genre is extremely limited.Edited by Callous2208 on April 13, 2016 1:12PM1 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »I don't have time to be online constantly checking see anyone out bid me for an item, guild trader works for me.
You must not know Auction Houses tend to work. It's not like Ebay where you put up a bid and hope your bid is the highest and wait for the time to end. Have you ever tried other MMOs with a functional AH?
Yea, it is like that. Do you even mmo pal? Just like the real world you can pay some outlandish "buyout" price and get it right away as well. The more I read through your posts and claims on this thread the more I've come to realize this is your very first mmo, or your experience with the genre is extremely limited.
Most Auction House's like FFXI just had a set price that is connected and if you bid there asking price or higher you win. WoW if like that with a timer but they also have a "buyout" feature.
I guarantee you I've been playing MMOs for a long time. [snip]
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✭✭✭✭✭Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Paneross✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
More intuitive and helpful UI/search system is what they need, which I would not be opposed to. Anyone still campaigning for a global AH is just parroting a misguided idea about a system that does not work and will never be implemented here. Rightfully so, I might add.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I like the guild kiosk system, but I agree that the vanilla UI is absolutely awful. I feel sorry for console players because they can't use the Awesome Guild Store and Master Merchant addons.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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@Thugonought need to know:Thugonought wrote: »New player returning after about 9 - 2 months absence. I'm looking for a guild with lots of active players selling itmes at various levels. any recommendations and invites would be hugely appreciated!
Thanks so much
Playstation 4, XBox One or PC?
EU server or NA server?
General good trading guilds are located in the 3 capital cities of the factions.
Mournhold (Deshaan, Ebonheart Pact)
Wayrest (Stormhaven, Daggerfal Covernant)
Elden Root (Grahtwood, Aldmeri Dominion)
Rawl Ka (Reapers March, Aldmeri Dominion) is a weird and good trading spot as well, used as zonechat trade location back in the days before we had guildtraders. Tradition have kept it up.
Belkarth (Craglorn) this one tends to depend on which server and platform you play on. In PC/ EU the best traders are located here, while in NA the place is a bit more empty.
The DLC trade locations are great the first month of release, they remain "good" sell points, but their revenue falls after the first month.
Orsinium (Wrothgar DLC)
Hews Bane (Theives Guild DLC)
ZOS just give us that damn auctionhouse/horse whatever you want to call it, a mudcrab merchant will even do Q.Q
...and improve that awful primitive UI, we players have moved past the damn stoneage-monkey design of interface and search options.
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Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
More intuitive and helpful UI/search system is what they need, which I would not be opposed to. Anyone still campaigning for a global AH is just parroting a misguided idea about a system that does not work and will never be implemented here. Rightfully so, I might add.
Does not work yet the biggest MMOs still have them.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
Better search options, if they can't implement a AH system. Make a hub for all traders.
*im just continuing the topic...not tht I work for ZOS*
What specific search options are "better" and what would they look like on the screen. How would the player interact with these "better" options?
Hub - how do you define a Hub?
Where exactly would these hubs be placed?
How does a player access the hub?
Are there any restrictions or controls that differ from how traders work, with the hub ideas?Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
More intuitive and helpful UI/search system is what they need, which I would not be opposed to. Anyone still campaigning for a global AH is just parroting a misguided idea about a system that does not work and will never be implemented here. Rightfully so, I might add.
What does a "intuitive and helpful/UI" look like?
Any examples of comparisons that you've made, seen or experienced from other games?
I'm also not for a global AH but I am for some changes to the way we access guild stores. I have my own ideas but we have to do a much better job as a forum community to give them specifics (even me) cause I don't think the ZOS team as a whole is going to do this. No idea why but thats been my personal observation which I'm open to being proven wrong about.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I love spending 2hrs just to NOT find a set piece I'm looking for on console.
It will not happen. While threads like this have popped up during the past couple years it's only been a small vocal group in favor of this.
Some dude started a poll today with the title of removing the guild traders and 2:1 in favor of keeping the guild traders was the result.
Those numbers aren't accurate. I'm 100% sure that not every person who plays voted in that poll. I'm even a 100% sure that's there's more ppl who play that DON'T participate in the forums at all.
Your correct the numbers are not accurate as all the polls here are not random and hence are worthless. I always laugh when someone.creates a poll since it's just a joke.
With that, it has been clear that there has only been a small population that wants to get rid of the guild traders for the stale AH system taut drives prices into the basement.
Look at all the old threads on this subject and you'll find the thread full of posts by the same small group of people.
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SkoomaAddict420✭✭✭SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »Does ESO need an auction house?
*clip*clop*clip*clop*clip*clop*
NEIGGHHHHH... it needs an Auction HORSE!
Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept
Good idea. Like the traveling merchant we can buy. But it's not just about finding a item. It is also about not being in the right guild to even sell your stuff except to a vendor. Now if all that are guilded up no matter if they hold the guild trader spots or not could be on this list the donkey provides, that would be cool. By making it to where any in a guild could trade would be fine with me. But they have to be in a guild to trade...
Yea, @SkoomaAddict420 ... I think it's important that players need to be in a Guild to trade... and that Guild MUST have a guild trader. Otherwise we circumvent the need for guild traders at all.
Now, I have played around with the idea of a Merchant skill line that would allow players to setup shop at predetermined kiosks that dump the trader every hour or so without the need of a guild. This would mean players would need to build up stock prior to occupying one of these merchant stalls... maybe the better merchant you are the longer you can occupy the stall and the less cut the owner of the stall receives.
But that idea is for another thread.
I see what your saying about the lvl thing. That could work if in lvl progression, one could sell their mats at min lvl of getting the first skills unlocked at 10% after costs or so. At max lvl one then could set what they want back in profits from 0% to 100% or what ever game mechanics are for % scale...
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
Better search options, if they can't implement a AH system. Make a hub for all traders.
*im just continuing the topic...not tht I work for ZOS*
What specific search options are "better" and what would they look like on the screen. How would the player interact with these "better" options?
Hub - how do you define a Hub?
Where exactly would these hubs be placed?
How does a player access the hub?
Are there any restrictions or controls that differ from how traders work, with the hub ideas?Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
More intuitive and helpful UI/search system is what they need, which I would not be opposed to. Anyone still campaigning for a global AH is just parroting a misguided idea about a system that does not work and will never be implemented here. Rightfully so, I might add.
What does a "intuitive and helpful/UI" look like?
Any examples of comparisons that you've made, seen or experienced from other games?
I'm also not for a global AH but I am for some changes to the way we access guild stores. I have my own ideas but we have to do a much better job as a forum community to give them specifics (even me) cause I don't think the ZOS team as a whole is going to do this. No idea why but thats been my personal observation which I'm open to being proven wrong about.
Honestly, if consolers could have access to add-ons, the problem would fix itself. I guess in layman's terms, give them Awesome Guild Store and call it a day. Hard for me to compare to other games since this system is pretty unique.0 -
x_t7ink_x✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »no it's because people like it. there are a lot of people invested into these trading guilds. and they aren't going to just toss them to the side. it's an original aspect of games that makes it more socialable enjoyable for those that like to do things other than fight and do fetch quests.
They could still do trading guilds if they put all the guild traders in one location.
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
More intuitive and helpful UI/search system is what they need, which I would not be opposed to. Anyone still campaigning for a global AH is just parroting a misguided idea about a system that does not work and will never be implemented here. Rightfully so, I might add.
Does not work yet the biggest MMOs still have them.
And an army of bots and gold sellers love them. For everyone else, they're a trash dump, or a place to go window shopping and wonder why that one semi rare item they need is only sold by CaptPwnsFace for more gold than they could ever come up with. Unless of course, they get some of that sweet, sweet gold seller site coin. This is the way the AH works.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
Better search options, if they can't implement a AH system. Make a hub for all traders.
*im just continuing the topic...not tht I work for ZOS*
What specific search options are "better" and what would they look like on the screen. How would the player interact with these "better" options?
Hub - how do you define a Hub?
Where exactly would these hubs be placed?
How does a player access the hub?
Are there any restrictions or controls that differ from how traders work, with the hub ideas?Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
More intuitive and helpful UI/search system is what they need, which I would not be opposed to. Anyone still campaigning for a global AH is just parroting a misguided idea about a system that does not work and will never be implemented here. Rightfully so, I might add.
What does a "intuitive and helpful/UI" look like?
Any examples of comparisons that you've made, seen or experienced from other games?
I'm also not for a global AH but I am for some changes to the way we access guild stores. I have my own ideas but we have to do a much better job as a forum community to give them specifics (even me) cause I don't think the ZOS team as a whole is going to do this. No idea why but thats been my personal observation which I'm open to being proven wrong about.
Honestly, if consolers could have access to add-ons, the problem would fix itself. I guess in layman's terms, give them Awesome Guild Store and call it a day. Hard for me to compare to other games since this system is pretty unique.
I played on both until last month but primarily on XBox.
The resolve is not addons because while it seems intuitive for PC, your limited to a specific UI.
On console, in order to allow intuitive addons, there are A LOT of UI changes that would require ZOS to make first and then a resource that both Xbox Live and PSN would allow that works with each console and thee game which is updated simultaneously.
The larger issue with 3rd party addons for consoles is that these have to be updated with the console updates and game console update schedules. If one isn't done, then the whole platform suffers and to some extent the addons will have to be downloaded prior and options to turn on/off would have to exist in the UI for consoles.
Lets be honest....if the UI already needs work and ZOS has expressed no interest in offering addons for consoles to the extent that they deliberately changed the console UI for both console and PC controller use so the point that it would require an addon to have two distinct versions......its more problematic than reasonable.
The pressure has got to go on the developer in any direction but the solve is not addons support.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
Better search options, if they can't implement a AH system. Make a hub for all traders.
*im just continuing the topic...not tht I work for ZOS*
What specific search options are "better" and what would they look like on the screen. How would the player interact with these "better" options?
Hub - how do you define a Hub?
Where exactly would these hubs be placed?
How does a player access the hub?
Are there any restrictions or controls that differ from how traders work, with the hub ideas?Callous2208 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Obliterate wrote: »CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.
what specific change are you suggesting?
Have you detailed it in a unique thread for discussion if it doesn't align with this or another existing thread?
More intuitive and helpful UI/search system is what they need, which I would not be opposed to. Anyone still campaigning for a global AH is just parroting a misguided idea about a system that does not work and will never be implemented here. Rightfully so, I might add.
What does a "intuitive and helpful/UI" look like?
Any examples of comparisons that you've made, seen or experienced from other games?
I'm also not for a global AH but I am for some changes to the way we access guild stores. I have my own ideas but we have to do a much better job as a forum community to give them specifics (even me) cause I don't think the ZOS team as a whole is going to do this. No idea why but thats been my personal observation which I'm open to being proven wrong about.
Honestly, if consolers could have access to add-ons, the problem would fix itself. I guess in layman's terms, give them Awesome Guild Store and call it a day. Hard for me to compare to other games since this system is pretty unique.
I played on both until last month but primarily on XBox.
The resolve is not addons because while it seems intuitive for PC, your limited to a specific UI.
On console, in order to allow intuitive addons, there are A LOT of UI changes that would require ZOS to make first and then a resource that both Xbox Live and PSN would allow that works with each console and thee game which is updated simultaneously.
The larger issue with 3rd party addons for consoles is that these have to be updated with the console updates and game console update schedules. If one isn't done, then the whole platform suffers and to some extent the addons will have to be downloaded prior and options to turn on/off would have to exist in the UI for consoles.
Lets be honest....if the UI already needs work and ZOS has expressed no interest in offering addons for consoles to the extent that they deliberately changed the console UI for both console and PC controller use so the point that it would require an addon to have two distinct versions......its more problematic than reasonable.
The pressure has got to go on the developer in any direction but the solve is not addons support.
A fair point that I had not considered, only having played on pc. Hmm, agreed on your last point. I am not sure then how they would implement such a change. Hopefully ideas are at least being kicked around upstairs.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »No I like the current system as it is.
I visit the major trading hubs (5 of them) when I am looking for something. If I can't find it in that assortment, it probably isn't available. This takes me about 30 minutes to do on average
You realize how stupid ''This takes me about 30 minutes to do on average'' sounds ? THIRTY MINUTES TO MAYBE, MAYBE NOT FIND AN ITEM ?! And you find this okay ?
With an auction house, it would take you 15 seconds and the item would be cheaper ? Where exactly is the downside except less profit for the sellers (when in fact it's going to be more stable profit as stuff will sell faster and more reliably)
No guarantee you would find it on a global AH either.
I logged in yesterday to 45 mails of things I put up for sale the day before on two different stores in two different zones.
Over 27K gold in less than 24 hours. Sometime it sells in literally minutes after I post it. Seems like people have no problem finding my stuff. Maybe you need a better trading guild
@Katahdin Could you please tell me the name of your guild and on which server they are? I'm fed up with looking for provisioning ingredients for an hour. Travelling between towns with 75% of traders that only have a handful of goods.
I'd love to join your trading guild if possible.
@andreasv funny you mention provisioning ingredients because that is what I sold a bunch of. The problem with provisioning stuff is that it is not a constant thing. They take a long time to gather any quantity to sell. So I usually hoard a bunch then sell a ton of it when inventory space becomes an issue. They also arent a big money maker so most people don't bother.
Are you on NA PC? I'll see if I can get you an invite. They might be full though. I have to look.Edited by Katahdin on April 13, 2016 3:16PMBeta tester November 20130 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes PLEASE.
Having to join trade guilds just to sell, and get scammed with forced raffle purchasing of tens of thousands of gold a month just to stay a member because ZOS can't control the insane bidding war for choice locations FTL.
It was a nice idea, but it didn't work out well. Time for a re-visit.
As others have mentioned, all the current system offers is worse prices, less chance you will find what you want, and more hassle to do so.
No thanks to the current system I say. Big hassles all around.
You're in the wrong guilds. Neither of my guilds require me to but tickets or pay any kind of fee whatsoever. I buy tickets to support the effort because I benefit from the having and keeping a trader in popular, high traffic areas.
One of them live streams the raffle with non officer witnesses to show there is no funny business going on. They give away 1 million gold a week and maintain a trader in Orcinium for a while when that area was busy, now they are in Wayrest. My other trade guild is in Grahtwood.Beta tester November 20130 -
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✭ComboBreaker88 wrote: »Seriously, stop asking for this.
AH = a few control the game prices -- No thanks!
I like the guild trader idea. We don't need no stinking AH.2 -
andreasv✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »No I like the current system as it is.
I visit the major trading hubs (5 of them) when I am looking for something. If I can't find it in that assortment, it probably isn't available. This takes me about 30 minutes to do on average
You realize how stupid ''This takes me about 30 minutes to do on average'' sounds ? THIRTY MINUTES TO MAYBE, MAYBE NOT FIND AN ITEM ?! And you find this okay ?
With an auction house, it would take you 15 seconds and the item would be cheaper ? Where exactly is the downside except less profit for the sellers (when in fact it's going to be more stable profit as stuff will sell faster and more reliably)
No guarantee you would find it on a global AH either.
I logged in yesterday to 45 mails of things I put up for sale the day before on two different stores in two different zones.
Over 27K gold in less than 24 hours. Sometime it sells in literally minutes after I post it. Seems like people have no problem finding my stuff. Maybe you need a better trading guild
@Katahdin Could you please tell me the name of your guild and on which server they are? I'm fed up with looking for provisioning ingredients for an hour. Travelling between towns with 75% of traders that only have a handful of goods.
I'd love to join your trading guild if possible.
@andreasv funny you mention provisioning ingredients because that is what I sold a bunch of. The problem with provisioning stuff is that it is not a constant thing. They take a long time to gather any quantity to sell. So I usually hoard a bunch then sell a ton of it when inventory space becomes an issue. They also arent a big money maker so most people don't bother.
Are you on NA PC? I'll see if I can get you an invite. They might be full though. I have to look.
Thanks, but I'm afraid I'm on the EU server. I'm happy with the 2 trade guilds I'm in and the provision ingredients they have, but it's hard to find good guild traders with a variety of ingredients (not to mention stuff you're looking for).
Thanks for getting back anyway.0 -
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✭✭Bone_Demon wrote: »
If your goal was to transform his true statement into an outright lie for all of us to have a chuckle at, then yea, you fixed it alright.1 -
Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭Auction house yes it's needed. The current system is horribly pathetic. Let's start by saying you need to be in a guild. You need to bid catastrophic amounts of gold (spend gold to sell) on traders so listed items sell to others. In order to get that much guild masters are force to ask their members for donations (again, spend money to sell). Most guilds won't give selling privileges to people who won't donate.
This ridiculous loop repeats itself every week in order to get a trader so you can actually open your listing to the world of ESO, is a huge gold sink. You're supposed to at least get some of it back during the week right. But just like real life business, there's ups and downs. What if you have a week where less than half of the listing sold. All the gold spent is wasted leaving the guild and it's members on a negative spot of losses.
The way it looks like right now there's too much to loose and little to win. Players get tired of trader surfing, it's horrible, most times is better to grind for that ring of willpower because you at least have fun doing it.
If ZOS wants us to just throw gold into cyberspace then please add a gold destroy option on the inventory. I personally think guilds should be a group of people that helps each other on their adventures levling up friends, getting them those rare items or helping them to get em, not a marketing group with the cover name "guild". So i personally agree with the auction house idea.
If economy balancing is the issue then raise the sales tax. In the end we end up paying a whole lot more in traders, guild donations and sales cuts than just making a universal sales cut of 10% or 20%.Edited by Fallen_Ray on April 13, 2016 5:27PM"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance2 -
Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭The amount of butt hurt from both angles of players on this topic(for and against), is hilarious.
Do not tell me you KNOW how it will be if it's never been done before in this exact game.
And that goes to both angles of adding or not adding an auction house.
Comparing other MMOS to this game is like comparing apples and oranges. You can only compare successes and failures with this type of trade system.. and that's about it.
YES the Guild Traders CAN have great benefits and YES the Guild Traders also have some real crappy ones too.
Edited by Eshelmen on April 13, 2016 3:51PMPC and PS4 EP only player1 -
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✭I love spending 2hrs just to NOT find a set piece I'm looking for on console.
Ain't happening. The dead horses is already been beat back into atoms...
Changing the tax rate on traders is not a 'simple solution' either.
Best bet is to learn how to search better with what you have, and half your problem is console so I feel no pity. Your platform cost PC players almost a year of content.1 -
Bone_Demon✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Bone_Demon wrote: »
If your goal was to transform his true statement into an outright lie for all of us to have a chuckle at, then yea, you fixed it alright.
Did you really chuckle or are you just saying that for the sake of jolly nagging?1
