Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.

I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.

The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.

The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".

Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.

A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.

Your experience, not the majority experience.

Honestly no one's experience matters one iota.
The developers made the game. We did not.


They are not obligated to copy the systems on every other MMO just because it's in every other MMO.

They wanted a different system for this game. They didn't want Walmart simulator but went for the small town trader feel. From the other poll 2 out of 3 agree and like the system as it is with perhaps some changes to the UI to allow better searching of stuff on the trader ala Awesome Guild Store.

In any case the argument is old, tons of threads have been posted since the beginning of the game. They have said it will not happen. But keep on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better. At least it will be nice and tender for the scavengers if there is anything left but bones at this point.

Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.

I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.

The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.

The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".

Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.

A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.

Your experience, not the majority experience.

I believe it is the majority experience. There are a few polls floating around that back that up.

I would never want that. ESO rewards patience and ignorance got a gold vr 16 VD necklace for 29 k. Yes 29 k ha ha ha. You don't get that anywhere in real life I shopped around for turbo tax very recently everywhere was 49.99. Just got it yesterday for 27.99 saved over 20 dollars. Patience indeed is a virtue. Btw tool tip considerably over 30 k fire damage on VD proc... See you in Cyrodil.

Katahdin wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.

I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.

The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.

The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".

Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.

A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.

Your experience, not the majority experience.

Honestly no one's experience matters one iota.
The developers made the game. We did not.


They are not obligated to copy the systems on every other MMO just because it's in every other MMO.

They wanted a different system for this game. They didn't want Walmart simulator but went for the small town trader feel. From the other poll 2 out of 3 agree and like the system as it is with perhaps some changes to the UI to allow better searching of stuff on the trader ala Awesome Guild Store.

In any case the argument is old, tons of threads have been posted since the beginning of the game. They have said it will not happen. But keep on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better. At least it will be nice and tender for the scavengers if there is anything left but bones at this point.

Again the polls you speak of are a minority of the players that actually play. Most people do NOT participate on the forums and 9/10 of ppl I run into, wish for a better systems in place.

Btw. for your information, the current guildtrader system allows guildchains that have monopoly over entire maps, guildmasters that fiddle with Master Merchant addon prices.

New players have limited access to guildstores.
Players with limited DLC access or no DLC access have limited access to guildstores.

Here's an idea.
A town crier that relocates every time a new DLC(which introduces a zone) comes to the new zone. He has information whether a given item is sold and tells you the location of said vendor that sells said item. This gives one more incentive to buy ESO+ (which is good) and also it unifies the store information within one NPC.

Win/win ?

Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.

I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.

The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.

The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".

Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.

A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.

Your experience, not the majority experience.

Honestly no one's experience matters one iota.
The developers made the game. We did not.


They are not obligated to copy the systems on every other MMO just because it's in every other MMO.

They wanted a different system for this game. They didn't want Walmart simulator but went for the small town trader feel. From the other poll 2 out of 3 agree and like the system as it is with perhaps some changes to the UI to allow better searching of stuff on the trader ala Awesome Guild Store.

In any case the argument is old, tons of threads have been posted since the beginning of the game. They have said it will not happen. But keep on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better. At least it will be nice and tender for the scavengers if there is anything left but bones at this point.

Again the polls you speak of are a minority of the players that actually play. Most people do NOT participate on the forums and 9/10 of ppl I run into, wish for a better systems in place.

Right, but they are the only source of data that people can look at as opposed to someone claiming "9/10 people think X". We don't exactly have a lot of choice in terms of what to look at for 'evidence'.

But if one must choose between forum polls and singular anecdotal accounts, then you can't blame people for leaning toward the more reliable of the two. Forum polls are not the best, not by far, but they are better than whatever flimsy claim people make every day just to suit their argument.

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Does ESO need an auction house?

*clip*clop*clip*clop*clip*clop*

NEIGGHHHHH... it needs an Auction HORSE!

Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept

Good idea. Like the traveling merchant we can buy. But it's not just about finding a item. It is also about not being in the right guild to even sell your stuff except to a vendor. Now if all that are guilded up no matter if they hold the guild trader spots or not could be on this list the donkey provides, that would be cool. By making it to where any in a guild could trade would be fine with me. But they have to be in a guild to trade...

Yea, @SkoomaAddict420 ... I think it's important that players need to be in a Guild to trade... and that Guild MUST have a guild trader. Otherwise we circumvent the need for guild traders at all.

Now, I have played around with the idea of a Merchant skill line that would allow players to setup shop at predetermined kiosks that dump the trader every hour or so without the need of a guild. This would mean players would need to build up stock prior to occupying one of these merchant stalls... maybe the better merchant you are the longer you can occupy the stall and the less cut the owner of the stall receives.

But that idea is for another thread.

No. Oh, and also, no.

CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.

QuebraRegra wrote: »

not having an auction house is stupid.

Anyone played an MMO before?

Also fixes issues with the economy as well...

Yes I have. And I don't use the auction house. i would like to see PC caravans travelling from city to city though. That would be awesome.

Callous2208 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.

I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.

All of the mats but mine. I have a very hard time parting with them.

Please stop flogging this horse, it died long ago and should be left to rest in peace.

very shortly, AH is "one-market", one-market is inflation, inflation lowers money value, lower money value calls pay to win model and gold sellers.

Guild traders aren't very far from TP. If you can't take time to just go through the world for that thing you want sooo much, you're too lazy to have it. (satanic laugh like in M. Jackson's Thriller )