That guy has nowhere near as much stamina than magicka. I'll personally ask him for you and come back with the right infos. I've talked with many "permablockers" templars from Haxus who used to run a similar setup a couple months ago and they were nowhere near an hybrid.
You can still heal quite alot and support your group with this setup, while tanking and while dealing fair amount of damage during aoe fights. This build has been around since forever, I think the first one I recall using it was Bradas and then Rooty.
This is Hzarn (also Azoi btw). Here's my stats:
I ran this type of build when IC went live, but didn't play it that much as I was leveling up a sorc. Decided to bring it back this patch.
My #1 killer - Radiant Destruction. Very little I can do about it when I'm fighting multiple people. I also can't 1v1 a good player with this build - it will most likely be a stalemate. My heals are also very weak, as you'd expect running no spell damage and very low magicka.
I can't permablock, and certainly can't live forever. I was hanging by a thread most of that fight you recorded - if that nightblade would have been fearing from the start it wouldn't have lasted near as long. Braidas and Rooty never used this kind of build where they stack health to my knowledge - Braidas was a DPS templar and Rooty a healer.
[sarcasm]In vid what you posted, you used reflective scales and hardened armor, which makes me think that you are magicka build who tries to use WB on magicka templar who does not have magicka at all[/sarcasm]That guy has nowhere near as much stamina than magicka. I'll personally ask him for you and come back with the right infos. I've talked with many "permablockers" templars from Haxus who used to run a similar setup a couple months ago and they were nowhere near an hybrid.
You can still heal quite alot and support your group with this setup, while tanking and while dealing fair amount of damage during aoe fights. This build has been around since forever, I think the first one I recall using it was Bradas and then Rooty.
This is Hzarn (also Azoi btw). Here's my stats:
I ran this type of build when IC went live, but didn't play it that much as I was leveling up a sorc. Decided to bring it back this patch.
My #1 killer - Radiant Destruction. Very little I can do about it when I'm fighting multiple people. I also can't 1v1 a good player with this build - it will most likely be a stalemate. My heals are also very weak, as you'd expect running no spell damage and very low magicka.
I can't permablock, and certainly can't live forever. I was hanging by a thread most of that fight you recorded - if that nightblade would have been fearing from the start it wouldn't have lasted near as long. Braidas and Rooty never used this kind of build where they stack health to my knowledge - Braidas was a DPS templar and Rooty a healer.
Thanks for sharing this with us man. Interesting setup. I would have expected more magicka but I was wrong. You still have alot more magicka than stam recovery and also use magicka abilities, which make you mainly magicka focus so that really makes no difference in the end. The point was that there is a way to counter WB spam and you demonstrate it really well in that video.
You could easily sacrifice 20k health and put that into magicka while still being able to survive against a single person spamming wrecking blow on you and being purely magicka with better heals and sustain. Just like Mojican, Myst, Kamplar, Mr Poo, Hektik, Yoda, etc. have been doing.
The most important part is to stack a ton of points in block mitigation (50+) and to use at least one enchant of block cost reduction and you're good to go.
Sugaroverdose wrote: »[sarcasm]In vid what you posted, you used reflective scales and hardened armor, which makes me think that you are magicka build who tries to use WB on magicka templar who does not have magicka at all[/sarcasm]That guy has nowhere near as much stamina than magicka. I'll personally ask him for you and come back with the right infos. I've talked with many "permablockers" templars from Haxus who used to run a similar setup a couple months ago and they were nowhere near an hybrid.
You can still heal quite alot and support your group with this setup, while tanking and while dealing fair amount of damage during aoe fights. This build has been around since forever, I think the first one I recall using it was Bradas and then Rooty.
This is Hzarn (also Azoi btw). Here's my stats:
I ran this type of build when IC went live, but didn't play it that much as I was leveling up a sorc. Decided to bring it back this patch.
My #1 killer - Radiant Destruction. Very little I can do about it when I'm fighting multiple people. I also can't 1v1 a good player with this build - it will most likely be a stalemate. My heals are also very weak, as you'd expect running no spell damage and very low magicka.
I can't permablock, and certainly can't live forever. I was hanging by a thread most of that fight you recorded - if that nightblade would have been fearing from the start it wouldn't have lasted near as long. Braidas and Rooty never used this kind of build where they stack health to my knowledge - Braidas was a DPS templar and Rooty a healer.
Thanks for sharing this with us man. Interesting setup. I would have expected more magicka but I was wrong. You still have alot more magicka than stam recovery and also use magicka abilities, which make you mainly magicka focus so that really makes no difference in the end. The point was that there is a way to counter WB spam and you demonstrate it really well in that video.
You could easily sacrifice 20k health and put that into magicka while still being able to survive against a single person spamming wrecking blow on you and being purely magicka with better heals and sustain. Just like Mojican, Myst, Kamplar, Mr Poo, Hektik, Yoda, etc. have been doing.
The most important part is to stack a ton of points in block mitigation (50+) and to use at least one enchant of block cost reduction and you're good to go.
My post was made only to point you into one little detail - he is a freaking tank, it's not stamina/magicka it HEALTH. He's build is a healthplar if you wish to find more direct name for it.Sugaroverdose wrote: »[sarcasm]In vid what you posted, you used reflective scales and hardened armor, which makes me think that you are magicka build who tries to use WB on magicka templar who does not have magicka at all[/sarcasm]That guy has nowhere near as much stamina than magicka. I'll personally ask him for you and come back with the right infos. I've talked with many "permablockers" templars from Haxus who used to run a similar setup a couple months ago and they were nowhere near an hybrid.
You can still heal quite alot and support your group with this setup, while tanking and while dealing fair amount of damage during aoe fights. This build has been around since forever, I think the first one I recall using it was Bradas and then Rooty.
This is Hzarn (also Azoi btw). Here's my stats:
I ran this type of build when IC went live, but didn't play it that much as I was leveling up a sorc. Decided to bring it back this patch.
My #1 killer - Radiant Destruction. Very little I can do about it when I'm fighting multiple people. I also can't 1v1 a good player with this build - it will most likely be a stalemate. My heals are also very weak, as you'd expect running no spell damage and very low magicka.
I can't permablock, and certainly can't live forever. I was hanging by a thread most of that fight you recorded - if that nightblade would have been fearing from the start it wouldn't have lasted near as long. Braidas and Rooty never used this kind of build where they stack health to my knowledge - Braidas was a DPS templar and Rooty a healer.
Thanks for sharing this with us man. Interesting setup. I would have expected more magicka but I was wrong. You still have alot more magicka than stam recovery and also use magicka abilities, which make you mainly magicka focus so that really makes no difference in the end. The point was that there is a way to counter WB spam and you demonstrate it really well in that video.
You could easily sacrifice 20k health and put that into magicka while still being able to survive against a single person spamming wrecking blow on you and being purely magicka with better heals and sustain. Just like Mojican, Myst, Kamplar, Mr Poo, Hektik, Yoda, etc. have been doing.
The most important part is to stack a ton of points in block mitigation (50+) and to use at least one enchant of block cost reduction and you're good to go.
Since you really wanna go down that path and put your hands on your ears so you can't understand even the most simple logic of what I've said, let's do it :
On my stam DK, I use Stampede (stam), Wrecking Blow (stam), Executioner (stam), Flames of Oblivion (magicka), Rally (stam), Shuffle (stam), Hardened Armor (magicka), Igneous Shield (magicka), Dragon Fire Scales (magicka)
Stam abilities : 5
Magicka abilities : 4
I have one more stamina ability which make me mainly stamina focus. I also have 3k stam recovery unbuffed.
I don't think of it as insult, but you're trying to do the same thing that Jules did in her thread and phrase it as a 'only good Templars agree it's broken' and if you don't agree with me then you're bad. BS like that don't fly.I usually only ever slot it when I'm solo or in a small group. Take your hate to a more relevant discussion.spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »So now it's not RD that's OP, but DF+Javelin+RD? All I'm getting from this is that we shouldn't have effective skill rotations.
I don't even play a templar, and by no means am I the best player around, but I honestly have no issues with RD.
All I am getting is that people who enjoy zerging generally think the skill is balanced, and players who prefer small scale/solo generally think it s unbalanced.
Hate? It was an accurate observation. Don't zerg if you consider it an insult for someone to call you that.
I mean, I can do it too, see?
All I'm getting is that people who enjoy and prefer playing overturned stamina builds think the skill is unbalanced, and players who prefer rock paper scissors instead of rock rock paper find the skill to be balanced.
That is not at all what I said. Do most the people who defend it not prefer to play in zergs? Do most the people who complain about it not prefer to play small scale? I did not imply it made you bad, but I pointed out an observation I made.
If you do want to go there then I propose we set up some magicka templar duels.
On the side of light I call @blabafat and @Aenlir
I challenge the side of darkness @Zheg @Joy_Division @Nifty2g
I don't think of it as insult, but you're trying to do the same thing that Jules did in her thread and phrase it as a 'only good Templars agree it's broken' and if you don't agree with me then you're bad. BS like that don't fly.I usually only ever slot it when I'm solo or in a small group. Take your hate to a more relevant discussion.spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »So now it's not RD that's OP, but DF+Javelin+RD? All I'm getting from this is that we shouldn't have effective skill rotations.
I don't even play a templar, and by no means am I the best player around, but I honestly have no issues with RD.
All I am getting is that people who enjoy zerging generally think the skill is balanced, and players who prefer small scale/solo generally think it s unbalanced.
Hate? It was an accurate observation. Don't zerg if you consider it an insult for someone to call you that.
I mean, I can do it too, see?
All I'm getting is that people who enjoy and prefer playing overturned stamina builds think the skill is unbalanced, and players who prefer rock paper scissors instead of rock rock paper find the skill to be balanced.
That is not at all what I said. Do most the people who defend it not prefer to play in zergs? Do most the people who complain about it not prefer to play small scale? I did not imply it made you bad, but I pointed out an observation I made.
If you do want to go there then I propose we set up some magicka templar duels.
On the side of light I call @blabafat and @Aenlir
I challenge the side of darkness @Zheg @Joy_Division @Nifty2g
@manny254 you'll have to add Aenlir and Ara Valleria to the side of darkness. Got double Jesus beamed by both of them on a resource they owned. GG.
-Tammy
BalgusFlinn wrote: »I wrecking blow, heavy attack, take flight, executioner, macro this thread.
or if you prefer Ambush, ambush,ambush, ambush, ambush.
or if you prefer Cystal frag,daedric curse, prox det
Don't matter how you slice it. dead is dead. Time to kill is like 1-2 seconds.
BalgusFlinn wrote: »I wrecking blow, heavy attack, take flight, executioner, macro this thread.
or if you prefer Ambush, ambush,ambush, ambush, ambush.
or if you prefer Cystal frag,daedric curse, prox det
Don't matter how you slice it. dead is dead. Time to kill is like 1-2 seconds.
But now it's Templar so it's not fair.
I love that they are all conveniently forgetting from stealth (for surprise): Dark Flare -> Dark Flare -> Jav -> Beam = death. Even faster than full channel RD/RO from 100% LOL. Most heavy hitter Templar likely wouldn't even need to use 2 Dark Flares.
I don't think of it as insult, but you're trying to do the same thing that Jules did in her thread and phrase it as a 'only good Templars agree it's broken' and if you don't agree with me then you're bad. BS like that don't fly.I usually only ever slot it when I'm solo or in a small group. Take your hate to a more relevant discussion.spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »So now it's not RD that's OP, but DF+Javelin+RD? All I'm getting from this is that we shouldn't have effective skill rotations.
I don't even play a templar, and by no means am I the best player around, but I honestly have no issues with RD.
All I am getting is that people who enjoy zerging generally think the skill is balanced, and players who prefer small scale/solo generally think it s unbalanced.
Hate? It was an accurate observation. Don't zerg if you consider it an insult for someone to call you that.
I mean, I can do it too, see?
All I'm getting is that people who enjoy and prefer playing overturned stamina builds think the skill is unbalanced, and players who prefer rock paper scissors instead of rock rock paper find the skill to be balanced.
That is not at all what I said. Do most the people who defend it not prefer to play in zergs? Do most the people who complain about it not prefer to play small scale? I did not imply it made you bad, but I pointed out an observation I made.
If you do want to go there then I propose we set up some magicka templar duels.
On the side of light I call @blabafat and @Aenlir
I challenge the side of darkness @Zheg @Joy_Division @Nifty2g
@manny254 you'll have to add Aenlir and Ara Valleria to the side of darkness. Got double Jesus beamed by both of them on a resource they owned. GG.
-Tammy
To me, I don't even really care about the fact that the skill is undodgeable anymore. But a 41 meter range is certainly OP when most skills in the game cant even REACH the templar spamming RD to interrupt them.
timidobserver wrote: »
timidobserver wrote: »
And? With AP gains being what they are this patch, are you trying to convince me that this is difficult to obtain?
timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »
And? With AP gains being what they are this patch, are you trying to convince me that this is difficult to obtain?
No I am telling you that 41 is buffed and not the actual range.
timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »
And? With AP gains being what they are this patch, are you trying to convince me that this is difficult to obtain?
No I am telling you that 41 is buffed and not the actual range.
Only it is the actual range for anyone who can achieve alliance rank ~13.
Tapping shift right before dodge roll to cheese it last patch while also avoiding Jesus beams was neither intended nor balanced, but I didn't see posts from you saying it needed to be fixed.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »You have 9.6k stamina and 21k health. You're pure glass cannon with no mobility, escape, or mitigation. <10k stam is not smart in this meta. You'll fold in 2 seconds if you get focused.
If anything I'd say DF is more OP than your jesus beam. You're talking mass pvp and how jesus beam is too strong, but if I got hit by one of those 16k DFs you're tossing out, that's more dangerous to me than your jesus beams when I'm not in execute range.
On a side note, you should check out the numbers pure glass cannon sorcs can put out on frags and meteor, they're almost identical to your DFs and meteors. I fully agree damage numbers are way too high, but that's across the board - not just for jesus beam. Wrobel wanted an FPS where people just drop, and this is now the meta.
The thing is you don't need to be a glass canon build to do this. I can do the exact same thing on my imperial with a balanced spec. So far my record for a RD tick on a player is 19k.
On my character I have:
7 impen, 26.7k Health, 15.6k Stamina, 36k magicka, 1737 regen, and 2489 unbuffed spell damage.
It is really easy to have balanced stats, and still melt people with RD. I can kill most people with dark flare -> radiant destruction.
The skill is unbalanced, and anyone defending it needs to wake up.
They said on ESO live the skill is supposed to be strong. Its an execute. Its working as intended according to the devs.
When the game came out it was possible to reduce batswarm ult cost to something stupid like 3 ultimate, and refreshing the ult made it stack on top of it self. This was working as intended. That did not mean it was balanced.
As for the balanced stats, you're close to what my Templar has, but I still don't hit harder than I would on my nb, nor is the burst better than what a sorc can do. The complaints about Jesus beam are not being able to dodge it (good), and mediocre damage at high health. When I see you running around Jesus beaming people at high health instead of using dark flare and other skills, then I'll start paying attention to the nerf calls. If it's so strong in non execute range, why aren't the really good Templars using it? Blab jumped on that boat, but I doubt we'll ever see him using it on a full health target because it's a dps loss AND makes you vulnerable.
Blab considers the skill overpowered, and even made a post talking about it. BTW if you ask me Vigor, and WB are op. You can use something and still acknowledge it is overpowered.
That's kind of my point though, some Templars are saying it's OP, and yet aren't actually using it in the situations they say it's OP. They also avoid answering when people ask why that is, because the answer is that it's not a good idea to actually use it at high health.
@frozywozy Sooo the video of the perma-blocking magicka templar is the video of a templar with 12k magicka that is not perma-blockin (he's basically flying in the air everytime his cc immunity runs out)?
not questioning your definitions of what been a magika build or blocking mean, just making sure it's the right video i'm talking about, cause it sure looks like it shouldn't be
Read the posts coming after I posted the videos. Not going to repeat myself because you are too lazy to read the whole thread.
Read the posts coming after I posted the videos. Not going to repeat myself because you are too lazy to read the whole thread.
You mean the ones where you come up with a random templar build without having ever played a templar in pvp? (just guessing here)
Or the ones where you complain about having to slot purge to counter multiple templars spamming rd on you, while you suggest that magicka templars should sacrifice one or more jewelry enchant for block cost reduction + 50 cp and between 10 to 30k magicka, just to counter ONE person spamming wb?
On the other hand i'm happy you found the solution to the rd spam you were so concerned about. Run a similar build on your stam dk, just make sure you have 50k health and more magicka than stamina, and that you can permablock while not blocking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbFbcpPd3uM&nohtml5=False I can't believe that none of you know how to permablock as a magicka templar. I wonder if I should have pity or laugh about it. Or both.
That guy has nowhere near as much stamina than magicka. I'll personally ask him for you and come back with the right infos