PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Made a new build for my sorc who doesnt even have any interrupts. Why? Because ive adapted. I've learned that i should not be running around with <50% hp and that if im targeted by jesus beams, i just block it, heal thru it, and roll dodge away as im doing it. Not hard just getting used to it.

Your roll dodging on a sorc?

Your roll dodging jesus beam.... which goes through dodge roll.

Something tells me you have no idea what day it is at the moment.

Yes i roll dodge to get away from jesus beam and i block+heal while i do. I guess consoles havent heard of stam sorcs? Why do some ppl think this is hard to do and cry nerf on jesus beam? Its all l2p.

You can not block while rolling. If you hold the block button, and keep holding it while hitting the roll dodge button, you will roll, but you will not be blocking for the duration of the roll.

It was one of the first things i learned on my magicka DK after TG: when you have a meteor incoming, do not roll. Keep blocking until it hits, then roll out of the aoe. Otherwise the meteor will hit you mid-roll, won't be blocked(despite you holding down the block button), knock you down, and you will die from it plus the AOE before you can break free.

If you are blocking and roll at the same time while under the effect of radiant destruction, you are basically spending stamina so you can take increased damage, since beam can be blocked, but not dodged. It makes no sense. If you do not want to block it you would be better off just sprinting away.

What you said is correct and so the idea is to block, heal, THEN roll as you create a gap/los the beamer.

I see. The way you worded it, it sounded like you think that you can block while rolling.

Still, assuming you are not being attacked by something else than the beam at that time, sprinting would be a better option than rolling. Unless you have a bow equipped of course, in which case rolling just once for the speed bonus would make sense.

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

There is a big difference between a magicka templar and that spec zheg uses, he runs with 60k health, thats a tank lol.

AfkNinja wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

Tankplar's like in the video don't stack magicka, they stack health almost exclusively with just enough magic for Blazing shield. Blazing shield is all of his dmg too, his dmg skills will hit like a one week old kitten. Only blazing shield would hurt from a tankplar, you can burn them down at a distance 100% safely just don't fight them in melee range cause that's what their build is designed for.

I think Zheg already explained how Tankplar works?

Zheg is fond of the term Trollplar

Zheg wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

Tankplar's like in the video don't stack magicka, they stack health almost exclusively with just enough magic for Blazing shield. Blazing shield is all of his dmg too, his dmg skills will hit like a one week old kitten. Only blazing shield would hurt from a tankplar, you can burn them down at a distance 100% safely just don't fight them in melee range cause that's what their build is designed for.

I think Zheg already explained how Tankplar works?

Zheg is fond of the term Trollplar

It only becomes Trollplar if you have invigorating drain slotted and use it to it's full trololol potential. Some of these scrubs trying to run the blazing shield build actually fight instead of troll, they know not what they do. Amateurs.

They will pay for their lack of vision!

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

By stacking health? It's not magicka templar, it's 100% tankplar who doesn't damage at all. You can save yourself from RD completely the same way - stack you health, wear 7 piece of heavy, and stack critresist

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

There is a big difference between a magicka templar and that spec zheg uses, he runs with 60k health, thats a tank lol.

AfkNinja wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

Tankplar's like in the video don't stack magicka, they stack health almost exclusively with just enough magic for Blazing shield. Blazing shield is all of his dmg too, his dmg skills will hit like a one week old kitten. Only blazing shield would hurt from a tankplar, you can burn them down at a distance 100% safely just don't fight them in melee range cause that's what their build is designed for.

I think Zheg already explained how Tankplar works?

He is a magicka templar who can tank WB spam. That was the point of the debate. Joy was stating that there is no counter for WB spam on a magicka templar and this is why RD has near to no counter for a stam toon. Yes there is. Point was made. Is he using skills such as bitting jabs, wrecking blow, executioner, critical rush, heroic slash, ransack? No. He is using Blazing Shield and Honor of the Dead. I don't care if he stack health. he is still mainly focus on magicka. Same goes for me, I stack a ton of impen and sustain to help me being more tanky, I am still mainly stamina.

At this point, I think you guys argue only to argue. Not sure there is much left to be said. Radiant Destruction has near to no counter when a guy is hiding behind a zerg and can wreck pretty much any stam toon trying to go in melee with other people instantly. On the other end, a mag templar has plenty of ways to counter WB spam.

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

By stacking health? It's not magicka templar, it's 100% tankplar who doesn't damage at all. You can save yourself from RD completely the same way - stack you health, wear 7 piece of heavy, and stack critresist

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

There is a big difference between a magicka templar and that spec zheg uses, he runs with 60k health, thats a tank lol.

AfkNinja wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

Tankplar's like in the video don't stack magicka, they stack health almost exclusively with just enough magic for Blazing shield. Blazing shield is all of his dmg too, his dmg skills will hit like a one week old kitten. Only blazing shield would hurt from a tankplar, you can burn them down at a distance 100% safely just don't fight them in melee range cause that's what their build is designed for.

I think Zheg already explained how Tankplar works?

He is a magicka templar who can tank WB spam. That was the point of the debate. Joy was stating that there is no counter for WB spam on a magicka templar and this is why RD has near to no counter for a stam toon. Yes there is. Point was made. Is he using skills such as bitting jabs, wrecking blow, executioner, critical rush? No. He is using Blazing Shield and Honor of the Dead. I don't care if he stack health. he is still mainly focus on magicka.

Same goes for me, I stack a ton of impen and sustain to help me being more tanky, I am still mainly stamina.

No, that's not a magplar. When I ran my trollplar I had almost equal amounts of magicka and stamina, almost the baseline values you get with tri-food. Sorry, but you're not allowed to call that a magicka templar. You'd do about as much magicka damage as a stamplar would if they slotted magicka skills. That spec is pure tank, the damage comes from hp and nothing else. Even your ults hit like a wet noodle, and I'd try to empower my bats each time beforehand.

You're flat out wrong to say that's the counter for a magplar, because that's the equivalent of saying your stam DK needs to stack 50k+ hp so that green dragon blood becomes useful.

That guy has nowhere near as much stamina than magicka. I'll personally ask him for you and come back with the right infos. I've talked with many "permablockers" templars from Haxus who used to run a similar setup a couple months ago and they were nowhere near an hybrid.

You can still heal quite alot and support your group with this setup, while tanking and while dealing fair amount of damage during aoe fights. This build has been around since forever, I think the first one I recall using it was Bradas and then Rooty.

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

By stacking health? It's not magicka templar, it's 100% tankplar who doesn't damage at all. You can save yourself from RD completely the same way - stack you health, wear 7 piece of heavy, and stack critresist

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

There is a big difference between a magicka templar and that spec zheg uses, he runs with 60k health, thats a tank lol.

AfkNinja wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

Tankplar's like in the video don't stack magicka, they stack health almost exclusively with just enough magic for Blazing shield. Blazing shield is all of his dmg too, his dmg skills will hit like a one week old kitten. Only blazing shield would hurt from a tankplar, you can burn them down at a distance 100% safely just don't fight them in melee range cause that's what their build is designed for.

I think Zheg already explained how Tankplar works?

He is a magicka templar who can tank WB spam. That was the point of the debate. Joy was stating that there is no counter for WB spam on a magicka templar and this is why RD has near to no counter for a stam toon. Yes there is. Point was made. Is he using skills such as bitting jabs, wrecking blow, executioner, critical rush, heroic slash, ransack? No. He is using Blazing Shield and Honor of the Dead. I don't care if he stack health. he is still mainly focus on magicka. Same goes for me, I stack a ton of impen and sustain to help me being more tanky, I am still mainly stamina.

At this point, I think you guys argue only to argue. Not sure there is much left to be said. Radiant Destruction has near to no counter when a guy is hiding behind a zerg and can wreck pretty much any stam toon trying to go in melee with other people instantly. On the other end, a mag templar has plenty of ways to counter WB spam.

Frozn,

That's not what I said. I said that magicka templars are ill-suited to deal with high damaging physical attacks. That's quite different from saying there is "no counter." It's not easy, but it can be done. I have beaten WB spammers just as stam builds have beaten Jesus Beamers. Yes, a magicka templar could easily shut down WB spam buy devoted everything into health and opt for a blazing shield oriented build. But that is a niche build, a dedicated tank, something that does zero damage [indeed, Zheg once used structured entropy against me and did like a 96 damage tick, I did not know it was even possible to do such low damage], that requires the stubborness of its opponents to actually accomplish anything.

As for RD being difficult to counter for stam, it's not so much what I say as it is ZoS's continued commitment to how the skill works despite the outcry from many many critics. They have made it a channel and kept it as such. They have maintained that channels are not meant to be dodgeable. They have affirmed the damage RD was it WAI. These are not decisions made out of ignorance. They illustrate an intent. A desire to vary the sort of offense attacks in the game and the types of counters.

You could make your DK like @vortexman11 and tank an entire raid, Jesus Beams and all. But you don't. Why? I don't know? Maybe you'd like to do something more than be a damage sponge? Most magicka templars opt for the same decision; we rather do more than 96 damage ticks with structured entropy. If you think perma-blocking is so easy on a magicka build with 14K stamina, go to Mournhold, respect from stamina and then all your defensive problems will magically go away. Magicka builds eat up RD for breakfast and with your perma-blocking spec, you won't even have to worry about stam based attacks or CC breaks.

Joy_Division wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

By stacking health? It's not magicka templar, it's 100% tankplar who doesn't damage at all. You can save yourself from RD completely the same way - stack you health, wear 7 piece of heavy, and stack critresist

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

There is a big difference between a magicka templar and that spec zheg uses, he runs with 60k health, thats a tank lol.

AfkNinja wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

For you boys who believe permablock templars dont exist. @zheg @Poxheart @spenc_cathb16_ESO

https://www.twitch.tv/frozywozy/v/57850448

Now I won't tell you how to do it, you all know how to do it. You simply keep claiming that such a thing doesn't exist so you can keep abusing it and feeling good about yourself. Well here it is, enjoy.

If guy not holding block - he cannot be permablocker. If you didn't notice: he every time get CC'ed from WB and after that does run with cc immune.

The point was to prouve that magicka templars can defend themselves against WB spam, so the argument from some people to justify that if WB spam cannot be countered on a magicka build, it is normal that RD spam should have near to no counter for a stam DK makes no sense. Just read my next post coming after I linked the video. Cannot be clearer than that.

Doesn't matter if the guy is not "permablocking". I should have seen that coming and expect people to take me literally speaking. I'm well aware that nobody can permablock anymore in this game since they nerfed the stam recovery while holding block. But there are certain builds which can block quite abit if you spec accordingly.

Tankplar's like in the video don't stack magicka, they stack health almost exclusively with just enough magic for Blazing shield. Blazing shield is all of his dmg too, his dmg skills will hit like a one week old kitten. Only blazing shield would hurt from a tankplar, you can burn them down at a distance 100% safely just don't fight them in melee range cause that's what their build is designed for.

I think Zheg already explained how Tankplar works?

He is a magicka templar who can tank WB spam. That was the point of the debate. Joy was stating that there is no counter for WB spam on a magicka templar and this is why RD has near to no counter for a stam toon. Yes there is. Point was made. Is he using skills such as bitting jabs, wrecking blow, executioner, critical rush, heroic slash, ransack? No. He is using Blazing Shield and Honor of the Dead. I don't care if he stack health. he is still mainly focus on magicka. Same goes for me, I stack a ton of impen and sustain to help me being more tanky, I am still mainly stamina.

At this point, I think you guys argue only to argue. Not sure there is much left to be said. Radiant Destruction has near to no counter when a guy is hiding behind a zerg and can wreck pretty much any stam toon trying to go in melee with other people instantly. On the other end, a mag templar has plenty of ways to counter WB spam.

Frozn,

That's not what I said. I said that magicka templars are ill-suited to deal with high damaging physical attacks. That's quite different from saying there is "no counter." It's not easy, but it can be done. I have beaten WB spammers just as stam builds have beaten Jesus Beamers. Yes, a magicka templar could easily shut down WB spam buy devoted everything into health and opt for a blazing shield oriented build. But that is a niche build, a dedicated tank, something that does zero damage [indeed, Zheg once used structured entropy against me and did like a 96 damage tick, I did not know it was even possible to do such low damage], that requires the stubborness of its opponents to actually accomplish anything.

As for RD being difficult to counter for stam, it's not so much what I say as it is ZoS's continued commitment to how the skill works despite the outcry from many many critics. They have made it a channel and kept it as such. They have maintained that channels are not meant to be dodgeable. They have affirmed the damage RD was it WAI. These are not decisions made out of ignorance. They illustrate an intent. A desire to vary the sort of offense attacks in the game and the types of counters.

You could make your DK like @vortexman11 and tank an entire raid, Jesus Beams and all. But you don't. Why? I don't know? Maybe you'd like to do something more than be a damage sponge? Most magicka templars opt for the same decision; we rather do more than 96 damage ticks with structured entropy. If you think perma-blocking is so easy on a magicka build with 14K stamina, go to Mournhold, respect from stamina and then all your defensive problems will magically go away. Magicka builds eat up RD for breakfast and with your perma-blocking spec, you won't even have to worry about stam based attacks or CC breaks.

Vortex is magicka, the reason why he has alot of tools in his arsenal to counter RD (Annulment, Healing Ward, LA spell resistances, mist form, etc.) I will probably result into going back to magicka DK soon aswell. There is no future anymore for a two-handed stam DK unless you run with competent healers backing you up constantly. Mobility is not as important as it used to be when you have magplars spamming RD from super long range hiding behind their friends. Better be able to mitigate the damage than trying to run away from it.

Another nerf Templar thread, imagine that....the class should be re-named Nerfplar.....the class has been in the trash can since they removed Blinding Flashes....i'd love to hear the Sorcs, DK's, and Nightblades if the developer took your class defining skill(Scales, Streak, or Cloak) and completely removed them from the game and gave you some trash channel execute....

as an FYI, putting points into Thick Skinned reduces the damage from Channel based attacks such as Radiant Destruction and Jabs....if you choose not to put points there...whos fault is that? you chose to stack impenetrable and crit resist...so your going to be weaker against DOT based damage...thats called a trade off....its about time this game had a few....meaningful choice and pros and cons have been needed for a long time.

RD ticks 3 times, it procs Valkyn Skoria, therefore its a DOT, want to reduce its damage? invest some points in Thick Skinned...15-20 points alone will make a HUGE difference in how much damage you take from it.

Zheg wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

That guy has nowhere near as much stamina than magicka. I'll personally ask him for you and come back with the right infos. I've talked with many "permablockers" templars from Haxus who used to run a similar setup a couple months ago and they were nowhere near an hybrid.

You can still heal quite alot and support your group with this setup, while tanking and while dealing fair amount of damage during aoe fights. This build has been around since forever, I think the first one I recall using it was Bradas and then Rooty.

This is Hzarn (also Azoi btw). Here's my stats:



I ran this type of build when IC went live, but didn't play it that much as I was leveling up a sorc. Decided to bring it back this patch.

My #1 killer - Radiant Destruction. Very little I can do about it when I'm fighting multiple people. I also can't 1v1 a good player with this build - it will most likely be a stalemate. My heals are also very weak, as you'd expect running no spell damage and very low magicka.

I can't permablock, and certainly can't live forever. I was hanging by a thread most of that fight you recorded - if that nightblade would have been fearing from the start it wouldn't have lasted near as long. Braidas and Rooty never used this kind of build where they stack health to my knowledge - Braidas was a DPS templar and Rooty a healer.

I giggled.

I tend to disagree on RD though, granted I stopped playing the build this patch, but last patch I loved when people put RD on me because that's when I could spam BS and put out quality damage to the sorry souls in a 5m range.

Curious what your mag regen is, i used to shoot for a 2k baseline but my hp/stam/mag were all about 3-4k higher than that pic.

Oh I love Radiant when it procs my shield continuously, but nowadays I'm getting 2-3 radiants on me, or even with 1 when everyone is hitting me at the same time. There's time in between each shield you'll be taking full damage unless you're blocking. Last patch you could dodge roll out of it too.

2k magicka regen, 1.1k stam regen. I'm using the blue health +magicka regen food so that's why my magicka/stam are lower, and I'm using some sets that aren't necessarily for maxing health, but just for overall survival and utility. Were you using heavy Seducer with your build?