By the way, you're complaining about female gear? Look at the Veteran Maelstrom Arena Baron Polymorph. They could've at least put Lyranth's skin there for female characters. But no - it's a straight-up male. Female character turning into a male.

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

By the way, you're complaining about female gear? Look at the Veteran Maelstrom Arena Baron Polymorph. They could've at least put Lyranth's skin there for female characters. But no - it's a straight-up male. Female character turning into a male.

Daedra have no gender, that's just the form the baron chose. Why you wanna hate on the Baron for being itself? All jokes aside, it's a morph to transform you into that creature. That creature doesnt have a "female looking" form.

As a second life player, I have a particular viewpoint & vernacular...

Bad mesh, BAD!

some of the armors are borked & several of the costumes designed for ladies change my torso, so I will be keeping my crowns, thanks!

& It seems like a clothing "template" that isn't capable of matching what is possible at character generation, shoehorning us into generic shapes.

@IrishGirlGamer
Dis One thinks she found a solution:

http://imgur.com/a/dj1Mu





I mean... I know how boob physics work*, and if we really want to adjust male models to female body, top part above breasts needs to be flat, and bottom part... should just connect most distant part with waist? Dunno how to describe it.

We don't need metal boobs for armors to work, and we also don't need to SEE them (I mean material parts all around boob) - the only thing we need to see is that they ARE underneath. They're not baloons or watermelons, they just hang**.

*Really, that topic is so weird >_<
**Next episode on "Weirdest Jobs" - Khamira, Boob Physics Engineer

But really, the problem is not that they have male models. The problem is that they're PREGNANT in their chests xD

Vigarr wrote: »

Usara wrote: »

You see, the first question to rise in my head is : why use mail to cover her parts since protecting her body is OBVIOUSLY NOT her main concern ? Leather or fur would make more sense, since it seems she only wants to hide her female parts
So yeah, even if she is indeed really pretty, I don't like her costume. It doesn't make sense.

Obviously she's protecting her most important parts

Important to whom ? ^^

Khamira wrote: »

Fixy fixy fix....



Much GIMP, such graphics, very pixels, wow!

Sorry I have to ask, but just to be clear... that screen is your fix with GIMP ? Do I understand right ?
If it looked like that IG, I'd be happy

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

Thank you for looking into this. Really.

superZ wrote: »

@IrishGirlGamer - This is off the main topic a little, but I felt like I needed to say it. That is, if it hasn't been said already.

I feel bad that you won't play games that give no choice in gender. I know there are many story based games that only allow you to play as male (Alan Wake is the first of many that come to mind), but do you stop reading a good book after you realize the protagonist is male also?

I understand wanting to be able to express your own self, but some games, or more specifically the stories behind them aren't about the player. They are about the character.

Granted ESO isn't one of those games, so if you want to be a lady with the most feminine clothes on the market, bully for you. And if you don't like that you can't really do that right now, then good on you for cutting the cord on your sub.

I do, however, want to say you really are missing out on a lot of good gaming. Maybe next time you're starting a game for the first time and realize you can't play as a female, take a moment for yourself, then push on and focus on the story of that male character. If the game is worth half it's weight in salt, I think you'll quickly find that you enjoy experiencing something new and exciting while you discover the world of that character.

Just my two cents worth.

@superZ I won't speak for anyone else, but let me explain how it works for me. If a game does not offer any kind of customization, character gender included, it will be harder to fall in love with it. It's like you go to a really good store known for its great quality toys to pick up a new toy car - but it turns out that there's just one available. And this car is awesome, well made, it's new and shiny, but you didn't have a chance to pick one in your favorite color and shape.

So, instead of a happy "new toy" feeling you have a "i guess i'll take it, i'm stuck with it anyways" face expression while trying to understand it and learn how it works.

It takes just a couple of letdowns like that to stop caring for a game. After all, there's lots of games out there, and it's always easier to find something that fits you better (see what i did there? ) than trying to make yourself care for something you didn't love from first sight.

Doesn't mean that it's game's fault - it's my preferences and expectations not being fulfilled. Neither will i say that all games should suddenly accommodate character customization demands of me or anyone else - this is just my personal reason not to spend my money/time/effort there. Hope it makes sense to other people.

Dromede wrote: »

superZ wrote: »

@IrishGirlGamer - This is off the main topic a little, but I felt like I needed to say it. That is, if it hasn't been said already.

I feel bad that you won't play games that give no choice in gender. I know there are many story based games that only allow you to play as male (Alan Wake is the first of many that come to mind), but do you stop reading a good book after you realize the protagonist is male also?

I understand wanting to be able to express your own self, but some games, or more specifically the stories behind them aren't about the player. They are about the character.

Granted ESO isn't one of those games, so if you want to be a lady with the most feminine clothes on the market, bully for you. And if you don't like that you can't really do that right now, then good on you for cutting the cord on your sub.

I do, however, want to say you really are missing out on a lot of good gaming. Maybe next time you're starting a game for the first time and realize you can't play as a female, take a moment for yourself, then push on and focus on the story of that male character. If the game is worth half it's weight in salt, I think you'll quickly find that you enjoy experiencing something new and exciting while you discover the world of that character.

Just my two cents worth.

@superZ I won't speak for anyone else, but let me explain how it works for me. If a game does not offer any kind of customization, character gender included, it will be harder to fall in love with it. It's like you go to a really good store known for its great quality toys to pick up a new toy car - but it turns out that there's just one available. And this car is awesome, well made, it's new and shiny, but you didn't have a chance to pick one in your favorite color and shape.

So, instead of a happy "new toy" feeling you have a "i guess i'll take it, i'm stuck with it anyways" face expression while trying to understand it and learn how it works.

It takes just a couple of letdowns like that to stop caring for a game. After all, there's lots of games out there, and it's always easier to find something that fits you better (see what i did there? ) than trying to make yourself care for something you didn't love from first sight.

Doesn't mean that it's game's fault - it's my preferences and expectations not being fulfilled. Neither will i say that all games should suddenly accommodate character customization demands of me or anyone else - this is just my personal reason not to spend my money/time/effort there. Hope it makes sense to other people.

@Dromede

That's a good point. I could see not being able to play as your real life gender could make something difficult to relate to. If I started reading a book about a teenage girl who's having boy problems in high school, I'd probably want to put it down too. But if I pushed through that initial desire abandon ship, perhaps I could gain some understanding of the originally intended audience. Maybe I'd even grow a little bit as a human being.

Granted, even after saying that, I would probably still end up putting the book down and walking away because, like you, I likely wouldn't enjoy reading it as much as something relatable to me and my life.

I will say that my argument of pushing through that wall where you want to quit could be rewarding. Trying new things is never a bad thing, especially if they're things you might not normally be comfortable trying.

Usara wrote: »

Sorry I have to ask, but just to be clear... that screen is your fix with GIMP ? Do I understand right ?
If it looked like that IG, I'd be happy

Yep, that's just old, simple GIMP ^^

People say, Photoshop this, Photoshop that, and the truth is you won't be even using 90% of Photoshop advanced functions, also GIMP is free and awesome

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

@Khamira: That's great! Your fix is realistic. Did you fix the back and shoulders, too? They're a little large and broad in the original pic, but it could be body shape.

Yes. Her ribcage is no longer our of place and her shape looks genuine. Nice!

I fixed her back since she's not a camel, and she doesn't need extra useless space on her back. I didn't touch her shoulders.

And yes, I've flattened top part of her chest, rounded part with boobs, and then, in place where metal part of armor ends, fabric just connects softly to her waist.

The shape from front won't change that much (and I love it cause it's so pretty!), from side it won't look stupid, and Zeni don't need to create new female versions of armor from scratch. So It's a win-win situation.

Vigarr wrote: »

Still no fix for the oddly bent legs...it looks like she's about to sit down.

Maybe she took an arrow to the knee?

>:D

Sidney wrote: »

TheGrayChangeling wrote: »

Without supporting or opposing these ZOS armor design decisions I would offer a couple of articles on this topic that some might find interesting. The gist? IRL boob plates probably never existed - which is good because they would have more likely endangered than protected the wearer.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-kind-of-armor-did-medieval-women-really-wear-1502779338

http://www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/

PS apologies if this was already mentioned.

@TheGrayChangeling

I see these reasonings all over and I understand what people are saying. However, we're also summoning pets and horses out of thin air, shooting fire, ice and lighting from a piece of wood, breathing fire from our mouths, summoning and fighting demons, zombies, werewolves etc.

The list of unrealistic things in this game can go on and on and on because it's fantasy! And IF they were to try and make our characters more realistic in the male armor, the way it came out is absolutely not. It's blocky and looks like someone lopped only a portion of the breasts off.

It's not realistic. They'd have to again make separate meshes for the females to make it look realistic and historically accurate, so anyone who gives this argument is doing so in vain.

If people want a realistic and historically accurate game they should not be playing a fantasy game.

You know what's the difference between Fairytale and High Tolkienish Fantasy genre?

That may sound weird, but the rule is - The world have it's own scientific rules

And when I say scientific I mean "fireball physics" - you have set of scientific laws, like Theory of Gravitation, Theory of Daedra Classification, Theory of Dragon Aerodynamics and Anatomy, that keeps the artificial Universe looking TRUE.

In Fairytales, you just do POOF, and it makes this or that, whole castles can dissapear, someone turns into frog, etc.
And dragons are fat furballs with tiny wings.



In Fantasy - Dragons have their own anatomy, bone structure, muscle mechanics, they need certain wing surface and muscle strength to be even able to fly. And even if dragons doesn't exist - they SEEM real. Very real. And that's hot.


I once even encountered weird topic about how dragons could breath fire, and dudes were creating theories out of hat, like dragons eating platinum or having special body part keeping hydrogen inside - yeah, wicked but that's how it works. You just have some "facts" and try to came up with explanation how fire is having it's own weight and gravity and keeps itself in form of a ball that can be thrown aka "Fireball Physics".

BUT!

Second thing is Game Design. Games are for fun, so you need to take annoying and not entertaining parts from them. Like running everywhere to find your lost horse (Skajrim pozdrawia! xD), or how to make client-server architecture when you don't need to compute trajectory of flying arrow on 100+ people battlefield (that's why those annoying Crystal Frags are following you everywhere).

Back to the topic - it's not about historical accuracy of dragons, it's totally different.

You have a "fact", and you need to try to bend it around, so that "fact" seems real.

Like females wearing freaking heavy armor.

So according to the first rule - they need boob space inside. According to the second rule - that armor needs to look awesome and epic and femine in a way that you character is epic and asskicking and awesome, but she's still pretty and femine and awesome. Like males are looking epic and asskicking and awesome, but they're still need to be handsome and masculine and awesome.

And when it comes to female armor ZOS failed on the second part xD

babylon wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




_________________________

To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

Well what's causing this to happen is not using female armour meshes. If you would just make armour designed for females on the female body like you used to this wouldn't happen.

It happens to ALL costumes allegedly meant for females in the Crown Store and all of the new armours, in varying degrees of horrid.

How about somebody relay that little nugget of wisdom to the powers that be.

So did this happen around the same time as the Redguard and Orc armor changes? I don't remember now and it would make sense since they were fine as they were, but they were also the only armor that had separate pieces for male and female torsos. If all armor was going to be male and then stretched and the stretching has gone all wrong, as we have seen, then any Orc or Redguard armor crafted would no longer visually work in the game at all.

What's odd is how inflated it makes female characters look, but how bizarre it can make male characters become. The Whisperwelt costume destroyed male torsos and the Breton Riding costume with a corset still gives female characters a tube-torso instead of an hourglass. Hello corset! /wave corset over here!

I'm also trying to remember if this was the same time as the increased fps drop in Cyrodiil and if so, is there a correlation. Change how characters are rendered from how they were originally intended and introduce bad version control compounded with bugs and you get code that, instead of working properly, just cries softly when you poke it. Just speculation on my part and it's still early for me <yawn>

Making a mountain out of a molehill.