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And this arrived in my e-mail today
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »[snip]
To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »[snip]
In general, female armor sets should look like they belong on a female, and the same for male characters. If you see a particular set that looks like it might be wrong, please let us know so we can dig into it!
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Here's a thought - don't get rid of female meshes. That would solve the problem!
This is absurd. If you're going to have to go sit around a table and waste time discussing how to fix it and how it should look, maybe keep doing what's been working from the start instead of alienating your female players because of whatever reason you guys choose to give us.
If it's a cost saving method, I can help you with that. Fire the person who came up with the idea to get rid of female meshes. You'll save a lot on salary.
Right. Ha
Like sorry we didn't get the slider right, we'll morph it slightly so it doesn't look so bad.1 -
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✭✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.
This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.
Of course not. But that image isn't of my character, so what I said remains true.
For the record, I haven't discredited anything that people have said here regarding their concerns/frustrations with this topic. As such, I would appreciate if you wouldn't cut a single line out (which wasn't even the theme of my post) and use it to discredit my argument. What you said had nothing to do with my point at all.
My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted.
People working on armors and costumes are not the people who can be put to work to improve server stability, latency or balance.
I guess that justifies the imbalance of male to female costumes on the crown store? Or does it justify the bias and judgment being cast on ZOS?
It explains why telling them to stop working on cosmetic aspect of the game and work on network code instead is somewhat silly. They need to have teams working on both.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.1 -
Ritzey01✭✭✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.
This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.
Of course not. But that image isn't of my character, so what I said remains true.
For the record, I haven't discredited anything that people have said here regarding their concerns/frustrations with this topic. As such, I would appreciate if you wouldn't cut a single line out (which wasn't even the theme of my post) and use it to discredit my argument. What you said had nothing to do with my point at all.
My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted.
People working on armors and costumes are not the people who can be put to work to improve server stability, latency or balance.
I guess that justifies the imbalance of male to female costumes on the crown store? Or does it justify the bias and judgment being cast on ZOS?
Revenue is revenue. Once we start seeing improvements to the game itself, I'll jump on the aesthetic bandwagon with you.
Thats like telling a restaurant to take the cooks and make them be waiters so the customers have more people waiting on them.........but then theres no one cooking the food! its all a balancing act. All departments have to be staffed and they do their job, not other departments.1 -
Lucious90✭✭✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »ai.kiramekueb17_ESO wrote: »Wow you managed to find sexism even where is no actual sexism, only laziness, gj
Well, they're cutting costs at the expense of one gender over another. If they thought both genders equally important as customers, they wouldnt be doing it.
Or maybe it was done because of available staffing or other resources. Typically males are easier to format than females in terms of designing on a computer program. Looking for sexism where laziness or lack of ability is pretty petty and uncalled for.
All in all, this is chucked up to a quality control issue like most things in this game. And its only really happened on recent sets.
[Edited to remove insulting content]Edited by [Deleted User] on April 5, 2016 7:42PMXbox/NA
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✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.
This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.
Of course not. But that image isn't of my character, so what I said remains true.
For the record, I haven't discredited anything that people have said here regarding their concerns/frustrations with this topic. As such, I would appreciate if you wouldn't cut a single line out (which wasn't even the theme of my post) and use it to discredit my argument. What you said had nothing to do with my point at all.
My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted.
People working on armors and costumes are not the people who can be put to work to improve server stability, latency or balance.
I guess that justifies the imbalance of male to female costumes on the crown store? Or does it justify the bias and judgment being cast on ZOS?
It explains why telling them to stop working on cosmetic aspect of the game and work on network code instead is somewhat silly. They need to have teams working on both.
I agree wholeheartedly, there should be teams for both. Where is our money going? Certainly a portion of it has been dedicated to improving performance and stability. But still, many people (myself including, but I know of many others) who are having more and more issues with just being able to log in or stay connected for long enough to get a few kills in pvp, or finish a single dungeon. And every month we see more and more dresses. What's wrong with this picture? Even the "male" costumes are incredibly feminine. In fact, most of the female costumes on the store as so much more appealing than the male ones, that several male players are dressing their male characters in female dresses, and wear them all the time!
But seriously, I just want to play the game for a whole day without having client issues or latency spikes. I've spent months doing various things (upgrading my internet, upgrading and maintaining my computer, etc.) and at this point, there is no evidence that doesn't point to this being game-side. I want performance over slimmer belly sections on armor.0 -
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✭✭IrishGirlGamer wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno & @ZOS_JessicaFolsom:
After 671 days of continuous subscription, I received this in my e-mail today:
Greetings,
This message confirms that you have successfully cancelled your ESO Plus™ membership. You will no longer be charged for membership on a recurring basis, and your access to ESO Plus™ benefits will expire at the end of your current membership.
We're sorry you've chosen to end your membership. If you find yourself missing the great ESO Plus™ benefits, you can join again at any time! Whenever you're ready, visit your Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited account page and select a new membership plan.
Please print this email and keep it for your records.
Warm Regards,
The Elder Scrolls® Online Team
I'm certain there are people who've subbed longer. And you probably won't miss my money even a little bit. I suspect you'll close this thread or sink it ASAP.
But for a moment, I want you to understand why this is important to me. If Zenimax Online Systems makes the conscious decision to force female characters to use a male shaped clothing and armor models - and if I continue to pay my subscription - than I have acquiesced and agreed to your change. And I would never in good conscious do that.
I have played dozens of video games in my life. RPGs. Strategy games. First person shooters. Puzzle games. Games made by Bethesda, Gearbox, Sony, From Software, Paradox and a dozen other companies.
If ever I buy a video game, load it, and see I am forced to play a male only character, then I will generally shut it down and stop playing. Seriously. I played Witcher for like six minutes and never again.
I know this isn't the most critical problem facing women or the world today. I get that. But my gender is important to me. If you change the decision, I'll probably renew my subscription. If you don't, I absolutely promise you I won't - ever.
Thank you for the 671 days. I've really enjoyed the benefits of my sub. I'm hoping you'll change your decision so I can resub again.
Irish
[Edit: Credit to @Gidorick for helping me recall some of the male-only games I've played, like the Bioshock series.)
That would be like me making a "I'm quitting" post because my codpiece isn't visible enough.
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Lucious90✭✭✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.
This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.
Of course not. But that image isn't of my character, so what I said remains true.
For the record, I haven't discredited anything that people have said here regarding their concerns/frustrations with this topic. As such, I would appreciate if you wouldn't cut a single line out (which wasn't even the theme of my post) and use it to discredit my argument. What you said had nothing to do with my point at all.
My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted.
People working on armors and costumes are not the people who can be put to work to improve server stability, latency or balance.
I guess that justifies the imbalance of male to female costumes on the crown store? Or does it justify the bias and judgment being cast on ZOS?
It explains why telling them to stop working on cosmetic aspect of the game and work on network code instead is somewhat silly. They need to have teams working on both.
I agree wholeheartedly, there should be teams for both. Where is our money going? Certainly a portion of it has been dedicated to improving performance and stability. But still, many people (myself including, but I know of many others) who are having more and more issues with just being able to log in or stay connected for long enough to get a few kills in pvp, or finish a single dungeon. And every month we see more and more dresses. What's wrong with this picture? Even the "male" costumes are incredibly feminine. In fact, most of the female costumes on the store as so much more appealing than the male ones, that several male players are dressing their male characters in female dresses, and wear them all the time!
But seriously, I just want to play the game for a whole day without having client issues or latency spikes. I've spent months doing various things (upgrading my internet, upgrading and maintaining my computer, etc.) and at this point, there is no evidence that doesn't point to this being game-side. I want performance over slimmer belly sections on armor.
I agree with this. What I find interesting is that all of the crying and blubbering about boobs not looking right in armor gets an almost instant reply, and a lengthy one at that. Yet you post a bugged ability or, the stupid load times JUST to get to my character scree, we get warnings, thread locks, and No ETA messages. Shows priorities. Also I wear a dress to pvp in all of the time on my male
inb4 banhammer: I appreciate and can understand the enormous task ZOS has but I feel a functional game over good looking models should be priority #1Edited by Lucious90 on April 5, 2016 6:31PMXbox/NA
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✭✭✭✭✭I would hate to see some of the foul trolls some of you date if you think this is what females look like....just wow...
I usually go for the girls that dont look like their rib cage and boobs are melded together at some metal shop.
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1. I would never get anything done
2. Probably wouldn't be allowed to play (gf would assassinate me)
3. Dang!Edited by [Deleted User] on April 5, 2016 7:27PM2 -
Soresina✭✭✭It is the very nature of MMO's for most people to become invested in our characters. For some this may be nothing more than the skills and abilities but for the vast majority of people appearance is a huge factor. This is the face we put on for the world to see. If this was not the case then the developers need only develop one look to the armour and be done with it. Yet this is not the case. We have so many different armour styles that we can choose from and then we can customise even further by dye and so on. If appearance were not so important why are there so many people excited about the upcoming barber shop?
It therefore is reasonable to conclude that if you roll female character, regardless of your real life gender, you wish this character to look like female. This is a big issue for a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. I myself do not play WoW in a large part because I cannot relate to the looks of the character and this has also affected the choices of other games that I have played. The games I stick the longest with have been the ones where I am the happiest with my character's appearance.
If I had a gold piece for every time someone has invited me to view their character's appearance I would be the richest person in this game. We love showing our characters off. Especially our armour. You are taking this experience away when distort the appearance of female characters in this manner. Please ZOS do consider this to be an important issue!5 -
Krist✭✭✭✭Well that was another group no one cared to think about.....the 12 year olds in puberty! Can't even imagine how they may feel about the lack of realistic breasts!"Krist the Lionheart? No. Lionheart was my dog" -Krist
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james-09b14_ESOSoul ShrivenWow this has to be the most ridiculous topic i have ever read before! Who cares if your characters boobs arent "real" enough in the first place? This is like saying am about to quit the game cause i can't see the six packs abs on my male character!!! This whole topic is kinda pointless cause most of the time you always just see the back of you character if your playing in 3 person. Oh and just playing games that only have female characters is sexist.1
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Lucious90✭✭✭james-09b14_ESO wrote: »Wow this has to be the most ridiculous topic i have ever read before! Who cares if your characters boobs arent "real" enough in the first place? This is like saying am about to quit the game cause i can't see the six packs abs on my male character!!! This whole topic is kinda pointless cause most of the time you always just see the back of you character if your playing in 3 person. Oh and just playing games that only have female characters is sexist.
You sir or ma'am (sorry not trying to be patriarchal here) win the internet with the bold statement.Well that was another group no one cared to think about.....the 12 year olds in puberty! Can't even imagine how they may feel about the lack of realistic breasts!
Realistic is a relative term in cyberspace and realspaceXbox/NA
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@Callous2208Callous2208 wrote: »That doesn't even exist.
ahem
They exist but you have to travel to the most dangerous parts of the wild to try to tame such savage sexiness.
I actually tried my hand at this rare lovely (she creates her own stuff) but she was dating a herb at the time and uninterested in a sexy beast such as myself
If you lurk here girl whose name I forget, I mean no disrespect to you in any way...you're awesome.
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@Callous2208Callous2208 wrote: »That doesn't even exist.
ahem
They exist but you have to travel to the most dangerous parts of the wild to try to tame such savage sexiness.
I actually tried my hand at this rare lovely (she creates her own stuff) but she was dating a herb at the time and uninterested in a sexy beast such as myself
If you lurk here girl whose name I forget, I mean no disrespect to you in any way...you're awesome.
I must brave these wilds for the chance to meet such an exquisite creature. A rarity in these parts I'm afraid.0 -
Ichnaea✭✭✭✭I appreciate and can understand the enormous task ZOS has but I feel a functional game over good looking models should be priority #1
I agree that a functional game is more important. Because that is what's important to me. So should she not have posted her problems with the game because "well, you know what, my issues arent as important as other issues?"Edited by Ichnaea on April 5, 2016 6:50PMAD
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Yeah man she's beautiful, creative, and loves Skyrim (or did at the time I talked to her)...I was smitten and I'm not easy to smiteCallous2208 wrote: »I must brave these wilds for the chance to meet such an exquisite creature. A rarity in these parts I'm afraid.
We're derailing this thread a bit but it should be noted that she's a woman and creates her own sexy armor so there's something to be said here.
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Lucious90✭✭✭khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.
This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.
Of course not. But that image isn't of my character, so what I said remains true.
For the record, I haven't discredited anything that people have said here regarding their concerns/frustrations with this topic. As such, I would appreciate if you wouldn't cut a single line out (which wasn't even the theme of my post) and use it to discredit my argument. What you said had nothing to do with my point at all.
My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted.
People working on armors and costumes are not the people who can be put to work to improve server stability, latency or balance.
I guess that justifies the imbalance of male to female costumes on the crown store? Or does it justify the bias and judgment being cast on ZOS?
It explains why telling them to stop working on cosmetic aspect of the game and work on network code instead is somewhat silly. They need to have teams working on both.
I agree wholeheartedly, there should be teams for both. Where is our money going? Certainly a portion of it has been dedicated to improving performance and stability. But still, many people (myself including, but I know of many others) who are having more and more issues with just being able to log in or stay connected for long enough to get a few kills in pvp, or finish a single dungeon. And every month we see more and more dresses. What's wrong with this picture? Even the "male" costumes are incredibly feminine. In fact, most of the female costumes on the store as so much more appealing than the male ones, that several male players are dressing their male characters in female dresses, and wear them all the time!
But seriously, I just want to play the game for a whole day without having client issues or latency spikes. I've spent months doing various things (upgrading my internet, upgrading and maintaining my computer, etc.) and at this point, there is no evidence that doesn't point to this being game-side. I want performance over slimmer belly sections on armor.
I agree with this. What I find interesting is that all of the crying and blubbering about boobs not looking right in armor gets an almost instant reply, and a lengthy one at that. Yet you post a bugged ability or, the stupid load times JUST to get to my character scree, we get warnings, thread locks, and No ETA messages. Shows priorities. Also I wear a dress to pvp in all of the time on my male
inb4 banhammer: I appreciate and can understand the enormous task ZOS has but I feel a functional game over good looking models should be priority #1
I agree that a functional game is more important. Because that is what's important to me. So should she not have posted her problems with the game because, well, you know what, they arent as important as other issues?
Not saying that at all, she can voice any issues with the game she wants but the glory of the internet is that it will be challenged or supported. Her and others claims about not playing games without female leads or options cause me to questions the validity of this post. This is more of a "Look at me I am a special snowflake" kind of post.
A better example is the one talking about the actual issues with the quality of the female models, not a I dont like males neofeministic post.
Plus if Immersion is her thing Ive already touched on that. Go RP in a tavern in a dress leave the armor and fighting to the men '=)**
**DISCLAIMER: I AM JOKING HERE I AM AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PVP PLAYER WHO WILL KILL ALL GENDERS AND ARGONIANS ALIKE IN CYRODILL!Xbox/NA
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KonradK77✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Actually my social group buy alot of costume.
Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.
Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.
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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.
That's wonderful news Gina! Can you let us know if it's both crafted and dropped sets that the change is unintentional on? It will make a huge difference to me in the future. Just one player I know, but a huge difference none the less, if these changes were indeed unintentional.
No more horrified Khajiit if this is true going forward!
In general, female armor sets should look like they belong on a female, and the same for male characters. If you see a particular set that looks like it might be wrong, please let us know so we can dig into it!
All of the new crown store costumes look like they don't belong on a female body, all of them are bloated and make upper torso look like a balloon, whoever is in charge of creating the costumes for this game should have been fired long time ago.6 -
Grunim✭✭✭✭✭I'm also female and I guess I dont get too hung up on male vs female characters. I've played lots of games where the only choice was to play a male role (Half Life, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc). I even have some male characters in ESO along with my female ones and I enjoy playing all of them. What does take me back is oversexualized characters, games where the only armor choice is skimpy, revealing armor...seriously how is skimpy heavy armor realistic..., and games where female roles are reduced to sniveling, screaming, mewling, fawning idiots instead of strong characters. I just find all of that extremely insulting as a female.
Amen sister, I'm with you.
I guess I don't focus too much on whether the armor is distorting bodies parts or not because I never noticed this issue until I looked at this thread. I'm a woman who is still subbed to this game and I have been since the beginning.
Now if they introduced skimpy outfits for females that your female characters were forced to wear, then that would be something worth unsubbing over. I'd much rather take having an odd looking chest than being forced to wear skimpy outfits, though ideally I would prefer neither of those options.Am a whimsical Generation Jones gamer. Online RPGs hooked me since '94 and no sign of stopping soon...0 -
Hazethemadman✭✭✭I will +1 this issue.
Seems a bit unfair, and couldn't be so difficult and expensive that they cannot fix/maintain it.Samael- VR16 Magicka Dragonknight
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Krist✭✭✭✭Deadfinger6 wrote: »So your leaving because your character looks unflattering in armour.
LOL .... When you put it that way, it almost sounds ridiculous.
I noticed no one cared to pick up the "unrealistic male crotch" banner. I find my toons very inadequate and it effects my ability to play. Sexism? You bet!"Krist the Lionheart? No. Lionheart was my dog" -Krist
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Amen sister, I'm with you.
I guess I don't focus too much on whether the armor is distorting bodies parts or not because I never noticed this issue until I looked at this thread. I'm a woman who is still subbed to this game and I have been since the beginning.
Now if they introduced skimpy outfits for females that your female characters were forced to wear, then that would be something worth unsubbing over. I'd much rather take having an odd looking chest than being forced to wear skimpy outfits, though ideally I would prefer neither of those options.
I do prefer having odd-looking armor than having nothing but skimpy armor available too, but it is just my characters' styles and my overall preference. I say "overall preference" because there was one time at one MMO that I would prefer one of my characters to show more skin, and that would be my Sylvari in GW2 because that race glows when it is night and the glow is so cool I didn't want it all covered (also they are plants). But usually, I try to dress my characters in a way that they do not stand out too much in the middle of NPCs so that they look like they belong, and the NPCs usually do not wear skimpy armor.
As I've been saying, variety is key. Of course, the best would be to have a big variety of styles that all fit the female body, and that information that they were not making female armor anymore was pretty worrying. I'm glad ZOS commented on the issue, the answers made me pretty happy. I hope this issue is solved soon.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭That said, that is NOT a male mesh. If it were the male mesh, it would look exactly like a male torso. But it's deformed precisely because it tries to accomodate for the female body type and the algorithm seems to suffer a stroke while doing so.
I think the consensus is it's a male mesh stretched over the female body.
Mesh being the pattern of armour. Body being the character model.
Stretches like that because there are no proper curve shapes in around the chest area on the mesh (armour pattern), if you can imagine it on a 2D surface (like a dress pattern, or in this case - a shirt pattern
). So instead of curving around the curves, it's forced to stretch over.
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The mesh is the polygon mesh of the 3D-object. It defines the shape of the object in the game. So I'm not sure what you mean with "armor pattern".
I mean, there is maybe a philosophical question: If you stretch and deform the mesh, is it still the same mesh? It is certainly defined by different points, vertices and polygons, even if you did not change the number of any of those. But I think everybody would recognize them as different objects.
If the proportions of a mesh change, it is still the same mesh.
A max weight and height male body is the same mesh as a minimum weight and height male body.
A max weight and height female body is the same mesh as a minimum weight and height female body.
But changing from a maximum or minimum weight female body to a maximum or minimum weight male body would be a mesh swap.
Then on top of the mesh goes the texture layer, which may bend or warp if it is not properly matched to the mesh it is put on.
So to create female versions of the motifs in question, they would have to make a new armour mesh for the female body mesh, then fix up the texture to make it look right.
Then make sure that the mesh and texture look right at every available proportion for each part of the body.
Instead they just stretched how the male torso is proportioned to cover potential clipping issues from the female body mesh."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Usara✭✭✭✭So I missed the train
But anyway, I know no one cares, but I will share my thoughts nonetheless
I'm a female player and I do like playing a male character, even if 90% of the time, I prefer a female character.
Planescape Torment is the only game where I stopped playing because I really didn't like the lead character.
But even in RPG's, I do enjoy having a male hero, be it forced or not (I love the Witcher series, even if I only played the first 2 titles)
My favorite playthroughs in Knights of the Old Republic and Arcanum of Steamworks and Magick Obscura were with male characters, even though I did have the choice (and had female chars playthroughs).
On ESO, only one of 9 nine character is a male (2 when the barber comes out and if it allows gender swap), but mostly because I don't like the design of the characters in general, especially males (the face, mostly). Females bodies are pretty bad, but the faces are... mhh... okay (though whenever I create a female character, I can't help but ask myself if the designers ever saw a naked woman in their life)
That said, I love armor that fit an adventuring woman.
I remember @MornaBaine mentioned in an old post her wish to have a Xena-like outfit IG. Me too !
And not every female outfit have to show skin to be sensual : I know I modded Dragon Age Origins, DA2 and Skyrim to have the Triss outfit from the Witcher 2. Because imho, it is a very feminine outfit, and yet quite practical for adventuring. I really really love it.
I was pretty furious when Zen removed the plunging neckline on the Orc heavy armor. It was my favorite heavy armor design exactly because of it. It wasn't skimpy/kinky, just extremely feminine.
It wasn't realist sure, but practically NONE of the heavy armor design make sense, even for males, since it doesn't cover much to begin with (only tissue fabric on the sides of the ribs and on thighs on most heavy armor isn't realist either, fyi).
So what is the problem of a little skin showing ?
It just felt like a totally misplaced try for "avoiding of being called out sexists designers".
The decision to stop designing female meshes is even worse and so is, as mentioned before, the added pants on the altmer costume - that really, really annoys me : I wanted to buy it, now I won't.
Okay I get it, the look of the armor sets on females isn't intended. I really wish it will be addressed.
The female look is not may main concern for the game, so I won't stop subscribing because of it, but yeah... it may be the third or fourth issue on my list What? Lead? Me? No, no, no. No leading. Bad things happen when I lead. We get lost, people die, and the next thing you know I’m stranded somewhere without any pants.Usara v531 - Usara2 v322 - Escouade Sauvage - PC - EU - EP
Usara Den Thasnet - Retainer of House Hlaalu (Dunmer Templar, heal)
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Caris Vael - Missing Student of the Mage Guild of Shornhelm (Breton NB, dd magicka, vampire)
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Chante-avec-les-escargots - House Hlaalu snail breeder (Argonian NB, tank)
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Dar'Aiean - House Hlaalu Smuggler (Khajiit NB, dd stamina)
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Torafhilde Frostdottir - Winterhold Cryomancer (Nord Sorcerer, dd magicka)
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✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Actually my social group buy alot of costume.
Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.
Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.
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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.
This is refreshing to read, hope you all get it sorted out soon.
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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✭@ZOS_GinaBruno: warrior of fury set looks like having a male body mesh on females (plus floating "marksmen" shoulder parts ... but that is another story, entirely)
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@Callous2208Callous2208 wrote: »That doesn't even exist.
ahem
They exist but you have to travel to the most dangerous parts of the wild to try to tame such savage sexiness.
I actually tried my hand at this rare lovely (she creates her own stuff) but she was dating a herb at the time and uninterested in a sexy beast such as myself
If you lurk here girl whose name I forget, I mean no disrespect to you in any way...you're awesome.
You see, the first question to rise in my head is : why use mail to cover her parts since protecting her body is OBVIOUSLY NOT her main concern ? Leather or fur would make more sense, since it seems she only wants to hide her female parts
So yeah, even if she is indeed really pretty, I don't like her costume. It doesn't make sense.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 5, 2016 7:37PMWhat? Lead? Me? No, no, no. No leading. Bad things happen when I lead. We get lost, people die, and the next thing you know I’m stranded somewhere without any pants.Usara v531 - Usara2 v322 - Escouade Sauvage - PC - EU - EP
Usara Den Thasnet - Retainer of House Hlaalu (Dunmer Templar, heal)
Livia Augustus - Deserter of the Imperial 7th Legion (Imperial DK, tank)
Aspen Vael - Battlemage of King Casimir III (Breton Sorcerer, tank/dd magicka)
Caris Vael - Missing Student of the Mage Guild of Shornhelm (Breton NB, dd magicka, vampire)
Eugene Fitzherbert - Wanted con artist hiding in Wayrest (Imperial Templar, tank/dd magicka)
Chante-avec-les-escargots - House Hlaalu snail breeder (Argonian NB, tank)
Ryl Serandas - Mournhold Ordinator (Dunmer DK, dd magicka)
Dar'Aiean - House Hlaalu Smuggler (Khajiit NB, dd stamina)
Ferinwe - Alteration Instructor of the Mage Guild of Ebonheart (Altmer Sorcerer, dd magicka, retired)
Torafhilde Frostdottir - Winterhold Cryomancer (Nord Sorcerer, dd magicka)
Senecar - Daedra hunter, former Thalmor corps (Altmer Templar, dd magicka)
Ondres Hlaalu - House Hlaalu Skooma Trader (Dunmer NB, dd magicka)1 -
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✭✭Deadfinger6 wrote: »So your leaving because your character looks unflattering in armour.
Not unflattering... misshapen and freaky.P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.3
