And this arrived in my e-mail today

Lucious90

Sidney wrote: »

TheGrayChangeling wrote: »

Without supporting or opposing these ZOS armor design decisions I would offer a couple of articles on this topic that some might find interesting. The gist? IRL boob plates probably never existed - which is good because they would have more likely endangered than protected the wearer.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-kind-of-armor-did-medieval-women-really-wear-1502779338

http://www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/

PS apologies if this was already mentioned.

@TheGrayChangeling

I see these reasonings all over and I understand what people are saying. However, we're also summoning pets and horses out of thin air, shooting fire, ice and lighting from a piece of wood, breathing fire from our mouths, summoning and fighting demons, zombies, werewolves etc.

The list of unrealistic things in this game can go on and on and on because it's fantasy! And IF they were to try and make our characters more realistic in the male armor, the way it came out is absolutely not. It's blocky and looks like someone lopped only a portion of the breasts off.

It's not realistic. They'd have to again make separate meshes for the females to make it look realistic and historically accurate, so anyone who gives this argument is doing so in vain.

If people want a realistic and historically accurate game they should not be playing a fantasy game.

Wait......... Someone using common sense?!??! You sir must leave now, this is a fantasy game and you are ruining my immersion!

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

I would like to think someone made a mistake, it was not a gender biased mistake .... merely a common garden variety smeg up which I hope they resolve. It is not game-breaking so it is not high enough priority to make a hotfix for it but it shoul dbe resolved.
I do admit that I have not had the time to read every post on the subject so I may be annoying optimistic in my outlook around this and there is a post somewhere that confirms that ZOS did this on purpose. If thats the case then save me a spot on the picket line babylon and I will hold the "Shame on you ZOS" sign.

There's a post somewhere round here where Gina (during some ESO Live video thing) said it's a design decision. They no longer create female torsos and instead use the male torso piece.

Found it -

lordrichter wrote: »

From ESO Live #13, this is what Gina said. I include the "boob window" comment, as well as the male torso comment.

"The only asset that we changed to really address the revealing armor issue was... well... the boob window, as everybody calls it. That was found on the orc female heavy armor. This was actually supposed to be fixed prior to launch but, just didn't get around to it.

The female Redguard armor changed because we no longer created custom female torsos for armor sets. Rather, we typically used the male torso piece to fit the female with some anatomical changes where they were necessary.

When we updated the Redguard armors, the overall look changed and we actually lost some of the halter top pieces. No offense was really intended, and we recognized that this kinda disappointed some of you. We aren't really planning on changing any additional armors that exist in the game, but we are discussing options for new clothing designs, maybe like halter tops, that can be added to clothing styles that you can find in the game, and also looking into some fashionable options for the Crown Store.

We have been following the discussion about all of these changes and we are going to use that as feedback to kind of inform other decisions about armor and clothing styles moving forward."

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I hope......... And pray that, the reason they did this is to free up resources to fix what actually matters in this game.....

Faulgor

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

That said, that is NOT a male mesh. If it were the male mesh, it would look exactly like a male torso. But it's deformed precisely because it tries to accomodate for the female body type and the algorithm seems to suffer a stroke while doing so.

I think the consensus is it's a male mesh stretched over the female body.

Mesh being the pattern of armour. Body being the character model.

Stretches like that because there are no proper curve shapes in around the chest area on the mesh (armour pattern), if you can imagine it on a 2D surface (like a dress pattern, or in this case - a shirt pattern ). So instead of curving around the curves, it's forced to stretch over.


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The mesh is the polygon mesh of the 3D-object. It defines the shape of the object in the game.

Yes, that is why without the shape in it (the armour mesh) once applied the the female mesh (body) it doesn't fit and looks stretched and deformed.

But there is no female mesh of the body underneath. At least I hope not. Otherwise, it might explain the performance issues in Cyrodiil if every character is basically rendered twice.

Do you mean that the individual and gender-based body settings are applied to the base mesh of the armor and deform it accordingly? Because that is not consistently true of ESO's armors, and exactly one of the issues of recent armor styles (that they ignore your character's individual body settings). And most armors where male and female are basically the same in style - for example, Mercenary - this deformity cannot be observed. This is a very specific bug for Covenant Light Armor, as far as I know.

Point is, to call it a male mesh is misleading when the visible mesh is neither male nor female, it's just terrible, and there actually are armors where the male mesh looks the same as the female one (as far as I can tell, anyway).

Autolycus

Faulgor wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

That said, that is NOT a male mesh. If it were the male mesh, it would look exactly like a male torso. But it's deformed precisely because it tries to accomodate for the female body type and the algorithm seems to suffer a stroke while doing so.

I think the consensus is it's a male mesh stretched over the female body.

Mesh being the pattern of armour. Body being the character model.

Stretches like that because there are no proper curve shapes in around the chest area on the mesh (armour pattern), if you can imagine it on a 2D surface (like a dress pattern, or in this case - a shirt pattern ). So instead of curving around the curves, it's forced to stretch over.


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The mesh is the polygon mesh of the 3D-object. It defines the shape of the object in the game.

Yes, that is why without the shape in it (the armour mesh) once applied the the female mesh (body) it doesn't fit and looks stretched and deformed.

But there is no female mesh of the body underneath. At least I hope not. Otherwise, it might explain the performance issues in Cyrodiil if every character is basically rendered twice.

Do you mean that the individual and gender-based body settings are applied to the base mesh of the armor and deform it accordingly? Because that is not consistently true of ESO's armors, and exactly one of the issues of recent armor styles (that they ignore your character's individual body settings). And most armors where male and female are basically the same in style - for example, Mercenary - this deformity cannot be observed. This is a very specific bug for Covenant Light Armor, as far as I know.

Point is, to call it a male mesh is misleading when the visible mesh is neither male nor female, it's just terrible, and there actually are armors where the male mesh looks the same as the female one (as far as I can tell, anyway).

Of all new armor styles, the only one I would agree with you on, as it pertains to your point above, is the Covenant chest piece, which is too bulky. But even then, I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.

babylon

Faulgor wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

That said, that is NOT a male mesh. If it were the male mesh, it would look exactly like a male torso. But it's deformed precisely because it tries to accomodate for the female body type and the algorithm seems to suffer a stroke while doing so.

I think the consensus is it's a male mesh stretched over the female body.

Mesh being the pattern of armour. Body being the character model.

Stretches like that because there are no proper curve shapes in around the chest area on the mesh (armour pattern), if you can imagine it on a 2D surface (like a dress pattern, or in this case - a shirt pattern ). So instead of curving around the curves, it's forced to stretch over.


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The mesh is the polygon mesh of the 3D-object. It defines the shape of the object in the game.

Yes, that is why without the shape in it (the armour mesh) once applied the the female mesh (body) it doesn't fit and looks stretched and deformed.

But there is no female mesh of the body underneath. At least I hope not. Otherwise, it might explain the performance issues in Cyrodiil if every character is basically rendered twice.

There is always a body mesh to wrap around (one there as a guide at least). Just in this case one doesn't fit over the other.

babylon

Autolycus wrote: »

I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.

This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.

Lucious90

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME.

I honestly don't believe you, remember you'd still have the male face with lipstick on it, and maybe a beard or mustache...with some nice bright blue eyeshadow...and bumps and curves sitting on top of your heavy male legs.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be happy to run around the game and show off your gear in that situation Because you'd look so pretty.

Believe what you will, my male already runs around in a dress now. I remember in wow my one male character pvp'd in the wedding dress they had back in WotLK. Just adds to the hiliarity when I kill an enemy in Cyrodil

Then you're an exception. If the situation really was reversed and like I described above, I can't imagine your attitude would be the norm among the male population in any regular MMO like this with leaderboards and whatnot. Might be fun for a week...but hey who knows, maybe you're right and ZOS should do this.

ZOS at least one guy is okay with having the female mesh as the norm, can we now make it so?



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The guys(literal term guys of the male gender) I play with, as long as the game functions like its supposed to, something as dumb as "muh boob1z dunt luk gud in muh armurz". That can be secondary, which honestly is the least of this games concerns, id be ok with droping the graphics quality to runescape quality if it means we can have a game that functions like it should ie Lag, more even playing field with classes, permaroot, I cant streak without camera bugging and more

That's a whole world of difference from many of us here, who like the social aspects of a game and like to look good, in our gear and costumes, with our horses and pets and social things. The same people who like these things also spend money in the Crown Store buying these social items and nice costumes and whatnot, so you would think ZOS would respect our opinions on how these social things actually look, seeing as we'll be the ones buying them.

I don't think you and your friends are the target market for the Crown Store social items, as you're just not into graphics and appearance.

Actually my social group buy alot of costume. I own personally the jester, dress, scout, battle mage, undead looking guy and more. So we do buy and spend good money on those costumes. I've seen pleanty of people doing the same, though I cant speak for their thoughts on boob plates

Hope499

I would hate to see some of the foul trolls some of you date if you think this is what females look like....just wow...




I usually go for the girls that dont look like their rib cage and boobs are melded together at some metal shop.

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babylon

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




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Waffennacht

What I really can't grasp is: wtf why are you SELLING these for MONEY?

If im spending (to the tune of 50.00 in some cases) i want that product to at least resemble what was promised.

Again boobs, no boobs, historical context, dragons etc... Don't come into this.

Male body or female, that armor looks NOTHING like the quality of the older sets. Look at the blocky pixels, look at the clearly "stretched" look.

All of this wouldn't matter if 1. The game was all about gorgeous graphics 2. Is suppose to be an "adult" rpg, which begs the question can adults not handle anatomy? 3. There was no cost for Turok costume.

I know its not a sexist thing, you'll be hard pressed to find a more liberal, left leaning, progressive whatever company than ZoS (I mean come on, if I had my way there wouldn't be any mention of sexual orientation in a video game)

Its clearly a lazy thing, which amazes me that they still put it out to sell.

Hope499

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




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That looks so terrible....

WalkingLegacy

I've been pointing out their shoddy costume system since I came back in November.

I have yet to spend a single dime on cosmetic items because their system is trash.

It doesn't even form to your male you designed in character select let alone all the female problems. They're premade body swaps with the costume attached. They just swap your head in.

Callous2208

Hope499 wrote: »

I usually go for the girls that dont look like their rib cage and boobs are melded together at some metal shop.

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Lol, I get what you're saying man, but you probably should have found some better representations of the female form. Don't get me wrong, those are super hot, but if you're going for those girls irl, you're gonna be lonely. That doesn't even exist.

adriant1978

Bfish22090 wrote: »

That is the worst reason to stop subbing.
How about the lag in pvp?

People care about different things depending on their gameplay preferences.

Also, the art team have nothing to do with fixing lag in PvP.

ZOS_GinaBruno

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

Korah_Eaglecry

Eshelmen wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

K see ya!

Unsubbing does not = Quitting. This is a B2P game which means she and anyone else that unsubs still has access to the games servers. But the only thing that speaks to ZOS is money. By telling them why shes no longer subbing gives them some context to why they lost a customer and a revenue source.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

K see ya!

Unsubbing does not = Quitting. This is a B2P game which means she and anyone else that unsubs still has access to the games servers. But the only thing that speaks to ZOS is money. By telling them why shes no longer subbing gives them some context to why they lost a customer and a revenue source.

Regardless, Zeni has clearly already won here. OP as given a generous amount of money to Zeni, probably more so than their average customer. Jokes on OP.

Being offended by clothing.....in a game???
Hilarious.

I dont think you know what the word "won" means. No ones won anything here. ZOS loses a customer and their trust. The customer loses a source of enjoyment. To try and distort it into any other context is disengenuous or having a severe lack of understanding for the situation.

Whos offended? Again, using words in the wrong context. Im offended by racists, Im offended by blatant sexism. Im not offended that a company cut corners. The word I think you were looking for is disappointed. Im disappointed in ZOSs decision to take the cheap route. Im disappointed that theyve decided that particular customers arent worth keeping happy. And if you actually bothered to read the OPs post. Youd realize that disappointed is a much more apt word to describe her overall feelings for the issue.

Whats really hilarious is your failed attempt to be a troll and to derail the thread. You added nothing to the discussion. Congratulations on being a worthless bump in the discussion.

Korah_Eaglecry

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

audrieltheelf wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

From one girl to another... try to remain open-minded about this. You're denying yourself some real great gaming experiences just because you refuse to immerse yourself in the affairs of a male character. If you're looking for games in which you're forced to play as a female leader instead, then you can check out games like Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Mirror's Edge... there are fun female lead games out there, but there are also (obviously) lots of really great male lead games that you're avoiding because of your own sexist agenda. Of course, when the option is available, I prefer to play as a girl as well, in order to maintain my identity throughout my playing experience, however, I'm still capable of comfortably and fully enjoying male lead games. Do any other girls feel this way? I've been playing video games as far back as I can remember, and I never entertained the idea that I could better relate to Princess Peach instead of Mario simply because she's a girl, but as I said, if and when the option presented itself, I always preferred to play as a girl. I'm curious how often you socialize on a purely friendly/brotherly level with guys. They can be harsh and gross and mean but also very funny and spontaneous and carefree, as anyone can be. I've been close friends with boys ever since preschool where we'd relate to each other through video games and trading cards, so that may have influenced my ability to easily relate to male characters. Socializing with a group of guys is different from socializing with a group of girls often only because of what interests them, and I'm assuming by your presence on this forum that you do share some interests with males, probably more so than other girls. Open yourself to the idea of not always having to be so militantly female and perhaps males could do the same.

I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. I'm a female and have 8 female characters. I attempted to play male characters in ESO. I leveled 3 male characters past lvl 40 and deleted them because I could not, for reasons unbeknownst to be, get immersed in the world looking through their eyes. However, in Paragon one of my favorite characters is male. To say that she's sexist just because she wants her character represented appropriately in a game is a stretch.

Of my 323 words, you comprehended only one.

It might help if you broke that wall of text into actual paragraphs. Its the OPs money. And if this is how shes chosen to send a message to ZOS. Its her choice.

Villious

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME. If they decided to swap the chest plates to were my male toon has breasts, it would NOT bother me. As it wouldnt stop me from enjoying the game. I see the back of my toons head more than the front anyways, couple that with costumes if it would actually bother me.

I play female characters anyways 5 character 1 Male 4 female if you're wondering. Plus Breasted armor wouldnt be very realistic for your "imersion" folks out there

It's just a GAME, that we spent real life MONEY on. With such low standards, I've love to sell you stuff.

Daraugh

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

That's wonderful news Gina! Can you let us know if it's both crafted and dropped sets that the change is unintentional on? It will make a huge difference to me in the future. Just one player I know, but a huge difference none the less, if these changes were indeed unintentional.

No more horrified Khajiit if this is true going forward!

Sordidfairytale

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

Thanks for clarifying.

nimander99

Well said, I can honestly say that if I was forced to play a male character that looked female I would have the exact same opinions. This is an RPG a role playing game it is important to many if not most of us to be playing the role we want to play.

Kirameku

Wow you managed to find sexism even where is no actual sexism, only laziness, gj

ZOS_GinaBruno

Daraugh wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




_________________________

To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

That's wonderful news Gina! Can you let us know if it's both crafted and dropped sets that the change is unintentional on? It will make a huge difference to me in the future. Just one player I know, but a huge difference none the less, if these changes were indeed unintentional.

No more horrified Khajiit if this is true going forward!

In general, female armor sets should look like they belong on a female, and the same for male characters. If you see a particular set that looks like it might be wrong, please let us know so we can dig into it!

tinythinker

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




_________________________

To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

That's wonderful news Gina! Can you let us know if it's both crafted and dropped sets that the change is unintentional on? It will make a huge difference to me in the future. Just one player I know, but a huge difference none the less, if these changes were indeed unintentional.

No more horrified Khajiit if this is true going forward!

In general, female armor sets should look like they belong on a female, and the same for male characters. If you see a particular set that looks like it might be wrong, please let us know so we can dig into it!

@IrishGirlGamer maybe you will be back sooner than we thought

Dromede

Thank you Gina for clarification!

Daraugh wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually my social group buy alot of costume.

Well get them to look at this picture, if any of them play female characters (this part is important, if they only play males then the point is moot), then get back to me with their reaction on how it's going to be for them from now on.

Image on left = the future, armour based on male form. Image on right = the past, armour based on female form.




_________________________

To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

That's wonderful news Gina! Can you let us know if it's both crafted and dropped sets that the change is unintentional on? It will make a huge difference to me in the future. Just one player I know, but a huge difference none the less, if these changes were indeed unintentional.

No more horrified Khajiit if this is true going forward!

Same here - that would mean a world difference to ne.
As a dedicated crafter, i care much for my armor look. I spent 5k crowns if i remember correctly on Glass motif, and i don't mind putting real money towards awesome motifs in the future again. I just need to know it's worth it

khele23eb17_ESO

ai.kiramekueb17_ESO wrote: »

Wow you managed to find sexism even where is no actual sexism, only laziness, gj

Well, theyre cutting costs at the expense of one gender over another. If they thought both genders equally important as customers, they wouldnt be doing it.

Autolycus

babylon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.

This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.

Of course not. But that image isn't of my character, so what I said remains true.

For the record, I haven't discredited anything that people have said here regarding their concerns/frustrations with this topic. As such, I would appreciate if you wouldn't cut a single line out (which wasn't even the theme of my post) and use it to discredit my argument. What you said had nothing to do with my point at all.

My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted. So many people here are casting judgment upon ZOS for something that, from a utilitarian perspective, doesn't need to be addressed as a priority. We can agree that the issue is true and exists, but I won't agree that this is more important than, say my 64bit client not crashing 8 times during a competitive trial run, or kicking me out of vMA (thus making me ineligible for a LB spot) simply because the client is unstable.

These are priorities, not aesthetic preference. My subscription and crown purchases have gone, as far as I can tell, primarily into the 12 different dresses that are in the store, when it took 6 months to get a tuxedo when we already had a wedding dress. This is a two-way street. Let's refrain from being judgmental and discriminatory to ZOS (and other players) simply because it was perceived (not intended) that way.

Hope499

Callous2208 wrote: »

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Lol, I get what you're saying man, but you probably should have found some better representations of the female form. Don't get me wrong, those are super hot, but if you're going for those girls irl, you're gonna be lonely. That doesn't even exist.

Tell that to my IRL GF!:



Now who is lonely?? huh?/

khele23eb17_ESO

Autolycus wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.

This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.

My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted.

People working on armors and costumes are not people who can be put to work to improve server stability, latency or balance.

Autolycus

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

I have yet to see any armor on any of my characters (female or male) that outright ignored my character's specifications.

This looks like it fits a female body to you? The one on left being the new armour model based on the male form, and the one on right being how it looks when actually made for the female form.

Of course not. But that image isn't of my character, so what I said remains true.

For the record, I haven't discredited anything that people have said here regarding their concerns/frustrations with this topic. As such, I would appreciate if you wouldn't cut a single line out (which wasn't even the theme of my post) and use it to discredit my argument. What you said had nothing to do with my point at all.

My point is that the vast majority of people who play this game (women included) would likely sooner opt for improvements to performance, balance, and stabliity, rather than focusing on something that is not a top priority, nor was it intended to come off the way in which it was interpreted.

People working on armors and costumes are not the people who can be put to work to improve server stability, latency or balance.

I guess that justifies the imbalance of male to female costumes on the crown store? Or does it justify the bias and judgment being cast on ZOS?

Revenue is revenue. Once we start seeing improvements to the game itself, I'll jump on the aesthetic bandwagon with you.

Sidney

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To be clear, the image you see on the left isn't an intended change, and we are looking into what's causing this to happen to some of the female armor sets.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

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In general, female armor sets should look like they belong on a female, and the same for male characters. If you see a particular set that looks like it might be wrong, please let us know so we can dig into it!

@ZOS_GinaBruno


Here's a thought - don't get rid of female meshes. That would solve the problem!

This is absurd. If you're going to have to go sit around a table and waste time discussing how to fix it and how it should look, maybe keep doing what's been working from the start instead of alienating your female players because of whatever reason you guys choose to give us.

If it's a cost saving method, I can help you with that. Fire the person who came up with the idea to get rid of female meshes. You'll save a lot on salary.