And this arrived in my e-mail today

PsychicHarbinger

audrieltheelf wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

From one girl to another... try to remain open-minded about this. You're denying yourself some real great gaming experiences just because you refuse to immerse yourself in the affairs of a male character. If you're looking for games in which you're forced to play as a female leader instead, then you can check out games like Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Mirror's Edge... there are fun female lead games out there, but there are also (obviously) lots of really great male lead games that you're avoiding because of your own sexist agenda. Of course, when the option is available, I prefer to play as a girl as well, in order to maintain my identity throughout my playing experience, however, I'm still capable of comfortably and fully enjoying male lead games. Do any other girls feel this way? I've been playing video games as far back as I can remember, and I never entertained the idea that I could better relate to Princess Peach instead of Mario simply because she's a girl, but as I said, if and when the option presented itself, I always preferred to play as a girl. I'm curious how often you socialize on a purely friendly/brotherly level with guys. They can be harsh and gross and mean but also very funny and spontaneous and carefree, as anyone can be. I've been close friends with boys ever since preschool where we'd relate to each other through video games and trading cards, so that may have influenced my ability to easily relate to male characters. Socializing with a group of guys is different from socializing with a group of girls often only because of what interests them, and I'm assuming by your presence on this forum that you do share some interests with males, probably more so than other girls. Open yourself to the idea of not always having to be so militantly female and perhaps males could do the same.

I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. I'm a female and have 8 female characters. I attempted to play male characters in ESO. I leveled 3 male characters past lvl 40 and deleted them because I could not, for reasons unbeknownst to be, get immersed in the world looking through their eyes. However, in Paragon one of my favorite characters is male. To say that she's sexist just because she wants her character represented appropriately in a game is a stretch.

Of my 323 words, you comprehended only one.

Divad Zarn

MornaBaine wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

I agree with everything besides witcher.. Its awesome story, which directly continues story of 8 witcher books, u dont read books as well if there main person is a male? Maybe its just bad example from your side idk, but it feels like u just hate males. Play witcher, love males and great storyes

I will read books with male protagonists quite cheerfully. Same with movies. It's really only in games that I insist on female characters to play.

You cant play witcher as girl even all 8 books of witcher are about geralt, hes central figure there, always. So slap zos, not witcher

audrieltheelf

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

audrieltheelf wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

From one girl to another... try to remain open-minded about this. You're denying yourself some real great gaming experiences just because you refuse to immerse yourself in the affairs of a male character. If you're looking for games in which you're forced to play as a female leader instead, then you can check out games like Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Mirror's Edge... there are fun female lead games out there, but there are also (obviously) lots of really great male lead games that you're avoiding because of your own sexist agenda. Of course, when the option is available, I prefer to play as a girl as well, in order to maintain my identity throughout my playing experience, however, I'm still capable of comfortably and fully enjoying male lead games. Do any other girls feel this way? I've been playing video games as far back as I can remember, and I never entertained the idea that I could better relate to Princess Peach instead of Mario simply because she's a girl, but as I said, if and when the option presented itself, I always preferred to play as a girl. I'm curious how often you socialize on a purely friendly/brotherly level with guys. They can be harsh and gross and mean but also very funny and spontaneous and carefree, as anyone can be. I've been close friends with boys ever since preschool where we'd relate to each other through video games and trading cards, so that may have influenced my ability to easily relate to male characters. Socializing with a group of guys is different from socializing with a group of girls often only because of what interests them, and I'm assuming by your presence on this forum that you do share some interests with males, probably more so than other girls. Open yourself to the idea of not always having to be so militantly female and perhaps males could do the same.

I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. I'm a female and have 8 female characters. I attempted to play male characters in ESO. I leveled 3 male characters past lvl 40 and deleted them because I could not, for reasons unbeknownst to be, get immersed in the world looking through their eyes. However, in Paragon one of my favorite characters is male. To say that she's sexist just because she wants her character represented appropriately in a game is a stretch.

Of my 323 words, you comprehended only one.

I understood your entire post but chose to comment on what stood out. Calling her sexist based on her post stood out, I commented. Saying my comprehension stopped there is, yet again, a stretch.

Ichnaea

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

audrieltheelf wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

From one girl to another... try to remain open-minded about this. You're denying yourself some real great gaming experiences just because you refuse to immerse yourself in the affairs of a male character. If you're looking for games in which you're forced to play as a female leader instead, then you can check out games like Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Mirror's Edge... there are fun female lead games out there, but there are also (obviously) lots of really great male lead games that you're avoiding because of your own sexist agenda. Of course, when the option is available, I prefer to play as a girl as well, in order to maintain my identity throughout my playing experience, however, I'm still capable of comfortably and fully enjoying male lead games. Do any other girls feel this way? I've been playing video games as far back as I can remember, and I never entertained the idea that I could better relate to Princess Peach instead of Mario simply because she's a girl, but as I said, if and when the option presented itself, I always preferred to play as a girl. I'm curious how often you socialize on a purely friendly/brotherly level with guys. They can be harsh and gross and mean but also very funny and spontaneous and carefree, as anyone can be. I've been close friends with boys ever since preschool where we'd relate to each other through video games and trading cards, so that may have influenced my ability to easily relate to male characters. Socializing with a group of guys is different from socializing with a group of girls often only because of what interests them, and I'm assuming by your presence on this forum that you do share some interests with males, probably more so than other girls. Open yourself to the idea of not always having to be so militantly female and perhaps males could do the same.

I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. I'm a female and have 8 female characters. I attempted to play male characters in ESO. I leveled 3 male characters past lvl 40 and deleted them because I could not, for reasons unbeknownst to be, get immersed in the world looking through their eyes. However, in Paragon one of my favorite characters is male. To say that she's sexist just because she wants her character represented appropriately in a game is a stretch.

Of my 323 words, you comprehended only one.

wow. you counted how many words to make a point? it was an observation you made, and they had issue with it. move on

khele23eb17_ESO

Katahdin wrote: »

I'm also female and I guess I dont get too hung up on male vs female characters. I've played lots of games where the only choice was to play a male role (Half Life, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc). I even have some male characters in ESO along with my female ones and I enjoy playing all of them. What does take me back is oversexualized characters, games where the only armor choice is skimpy, revealing armor...seriously how is skimpy heavy armor realistic..., and games where female roles are reduced to sniveling, screaming, mewling, fawning idiots instead of strong characters. I just find all of that extremely insulting as a female.

There was very little of that in the game to begin with. Im surprised however youre not offended with ZOS thinking the female gender doesnt even deserve to be represented in game anymore.

NewBlacksmurf

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Yawn, bye.

I hope they keep the armor realistic and not cater to the bs standards of boob hugging and skin showing.... One of the rare things done right in this game...

Uhmm it's cloth in the other thread. Mostly cloth and leather but not limited to those however the discussion is about literally using a male upper body for a female. That's not accurate, even in fantasy

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

NewBlacksmurf

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

You do realize it's about females having make bodies. Not about non sexy gear.

Please elaborate on cloth

PsychicHarbinger

Ichnaea wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

audrieltheelf wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

From one girl to another... try to remain open-minded about this. You're denying yourself some real great gaming experiences just because you refuse to immerse yourself in the affairs of a male character. If you're looking for games in which you're forced to play as a female leader instead, then you can check out games like Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Mirror's Edge... there are fun female lead games out there, but there are also (obviously) lots of really great male lead games that you're avoiding because of your own sexist agenda. Of course, when the option is available, I prefer to play as a girl as well, in order to maintain my identity throughout my playing experience, however, I'm still capable of comfortably and fully enjoying male lead games. Do any other girls feel this way? I've been playing video games as far back as I can remember, and I never entertained the idea that I could better relate to Princess Peach instead of Mario simply because she's a girl, but as I said, if and when the option presented itself, I always preferred to play as a girl. I'm curious how often you socialize on a purely friendly/brotherly level with guys. They can be harsh and gross and mean but also very funny and spontaneous and carefree, as anyone can be. I've been close friends with boys ever since preschool where we'd relate to each other through video games and trading cards, so that may have influenced my ability to easily relate to male characters. Socializing with a group of guys is different from socializing with a group of girls often only because of what interests them, and I'm assuming by your presence on this forum that you do share some interests with males, probably more so than other girls. Open yourself to the idea of not always having to be so militantly female and perhaps males could do the same.

I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. I'm a female and have 8 female characters. I attempted to play male characters in ESO. I leveled 3 male characters past lvl 40 and deleted them because I could not, for reasons unbeknownst to be, get immersed in the world looking through their eyes. However, in Paragon one of my favorite characters is male. To say that she's sexist just because she wants her character represented appropriately in a game is a stretch.

Of my 323 words, you comprehended only one.

wow. you counted how many words to make a point? it was an observation you made, and they had issue with it. move on

A simple copy and paste into most word processors will provide you with an instant word count.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Yawn, bye.

I hope they keep the armor realistic and not cater to the bs standards of boob hugging and skin showing.... One of the rare things done right in this game...

Uhmm it's cloth in the other thread. Mostly cloth and leather but not limited to those however the discussion is about literally using a male upper body for a female. That's not accurate, even in fantasy

I suggest you try and tell the difference between a male and a female while they are in armor when you cant see the head or they have a helmet on.. Other then that the leather would still need to be protective and normally would still not show any breast curvature to a surface easier to puncture. The cloth is more open but lets keep it to the style that has made ES a huge series please..

I bet the people complaining here are the people who go on youtube and try to find nudity instead of just googling it..

JMadFour

Bfish22090 wrote: »

That is the worst reason to stop subbing.
How about the lag in pvp?

contrary to popular belief, not everyone's whole life revolves around PVP.

MaxBat

Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

Do you have ANY idea what the OP is talking about? Because right now, I'm thinking reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

You do realize it's about females having make bodies. Not about non sexy gear.

Please elaborate on cloth

Read my previous comment. Leather, Metal armor would normally look the same on both males and females as they are designed to prevent puncher and slide fractures... Cloth more open to debate but once again lets keep this ES. Anything else just google it..

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

MaxBat wrote: »

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Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

Do you have ANY idea what the OP is talking about? Because right now, I'm thinking reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Male bodies being used for females. Yea they look the same irl in armor. gtfoi.

SirAndy

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.
Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...
yawn.

Yes, "yawn" is correct since you're apparently so tired that you completely missed where she is talking about CLOTH, not armor.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

SirAndy wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.
Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...
yawn.

Yes, "yawn" is correct since you're apparently so tired that you completely missed where she is talking about CLOTH, not armor.

This was posted by someone IN THE DISCUSSION ON THIS EXACT THREAD.



That is not a problem. This picture shows no problems.

The yawn is because people are being stupid over nothing.

khele23eb17_ESO

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

You do realize it's about females having make bodies. Not about non sexy gear.

Please elaborate on cloth

Read my previous comment. Leather, Metal armor would normally look the same on both males and females as they are designed to prevent puncher and slide fractures... Cloth more open to debate but once again lets keep this ES. Anything else just google it..

Does this look right to you?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

SirAndy wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.
Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...
yawn.

Yes, "yawn" is correct since you're apparently so tired that you completely missed where she is talking about CLOTH, not armor.

Maybe you are talking about light armor but OTHERS are talking about med and heavy, both in which I was talking about in all previous comments.

Also for someone talking about how being tired can make you miss things you sure didnt notice how 3x I have already addressed the difference in MED/HEV vs LIGHT.

l2r.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

You do realize it's about females having make bodies. Not about non sexy gear.

Please elaborate on cloth

Read my previous comment. Leather, Metal armor would normally look the same on both males and females as they are designed to prevent puncher and slide fractures... Cloth more open to debate but once again lets keep this ES. Anything else just google it..

Does this look right to you?

Waist and arms are not male 3d models. They have been altered to be female. The breast plate offering protection in the "created world" of ESO is made of a metal component that sits over the top and down the partial front of the breast. The Fabric then goes down FROM that metal to the waist which is also way smaller on female models then male.

SO yes its fine. Dont like it go a different style and link that picture to the thread so I can explain why its also fine....

Nifty2g

I think it's just certain armor types they want to have different looks from others. The new gear in the new trial work well for female body

Egonieser

Ichnaea wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Sorry to read that. Everyone has things that are most important to them, and it's unfortunate that something very important to you was messed up. I personally also find the new armor quite distasteful due to the awkward body shaping on my female characters. I hope that Zos changes their mind on at least future female costumes and armor so that many people actually enjoy what their female character is wearing, and so you can sub to a game you love again!

On that other point @Gidorick I also find myself playing mostly games with the choice to play as a female. Sure, I may not completely avoid a game if it only has a male only cast, but I usually don't get as into the game. I enjoy relating to my character and in some weird way the gender gap will stop that. I don't even know why, but it's weird to play a male character.

I don't personally feel that gender gap @MissBizz. I never have. I actually felt a genuine connection to Jade, the female protagonist of Beyond Good and Evil. (If ANYONE that likes to play female protagonist games hasn't played BG&E... do so. now. )

Now, that being said... I never CHOOSE to play as a female if I have the choice. This is because games which let me make a character, I always make an "avatar" of myself. While it may not look like me, the character represents me. Lara Croft doesn't represent me, but I can still empathize to her and relate to her motivations. Motivations are rarely female or male motivations... they are human motivations.

Hmm... interesting question: do you ever find yourself turned off of a videogame because of hypersexualization of playable female characters?... Probably "other MMOs" fall into this category but the game I'm specifically thinking of can only be described as a "B-Horror videogame"... Lollipop Chainsaw.

Same question for guys... are you ever turned off of a videogame because of the depiction of the male protagonist in a videogame?

I've never been turned off by any gender issues...I'm not going to let the possibility of a good game go away because of a preference. Case in point, but off subject, I watch Black Sails. They decided to make the main character (male) bisexual, and show bisexual acts. I don't feel like this is necessary, and didn't care for it, but I didn't stop watching. The show. Of course I stopped watching the dirty business.

Yeah... That scene kindda got me to turn my head away (sorry to those who feel otherwise, but that's my preference) xD Great show otherwise.

As to the OP.. While i may not relate to your issue the slightest (I am a man who plays both genders equally because i really have no preference, and all aesthetics that come with it), it's sad that ZoS has to cut corners like this (posted about it many times before) - usually means the company either doesn't do so well (and we don't know it) or are just plain lazy or fired the person from the art department and the new student just doesn't know how to do anything else except use Windows 10 3D image maker, and even there you can make much more sophisticated looking images.

Oh well...

PsychicHarbinger

audrieltheelf wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

audrieltheelf wrote: »

PsychicHarbinger wrote: »

From one girl to another... try to remain open-minded about this. You're denying yourself some real great gaming experiences just because you refuse to immerse yourself in the affairs of a male character. If you're looking for games in which you're forced to play as a female leader instead, then you can check out games like Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw, Mirror's Edge... there are fun female lead games out there, but there are also (obviously) lots of really great male lead games that you're avoiding because of your own sexist agenda. Of course, when the option is available, I prefer to play as a girl as well, in order to maintain my identity throughout my playing experience, however, I'm still capable of comfortably and fully enjoying male lead games. Do any other girls feel this way? I've been playing video games as far back as I can remember, and I never entertained the idea that I could better relate to Princess Peach instead of Mario simply because she's a girl, but as I said, if and when the option presented itself, I always preferred to play as a girl. I'm curious how often you socialize on a purely friendly/brotherly level with guys. They can be harsh and gross and mean but also very funny and spontaneous and carefree, as anyone can be. I've been close friends with boys ever since preschool where we'd relate to each other through video games and trading cards, so that may have influenced my ability to easily relate to male characters. Socializing with a group of guys is different from socializing with a group of girls often only because of what interests them, and I'm assuming by your presence on this forum that you do share some interests with males, probably more so than other girls. Open yourself to the idea of not always having to be so militantly female and perhaps males could do the same.

I don't think this has anything to do with sexism. I'm a female and have 8 female characters. I attempted to play male characters in ESO. I leveled 3 male characters past lvl 40 and deleted them because I could not, for reasons unbeknownst to be, get immersed in the world looking through their eyes. However, in Paragon one of my favorite characters is male. To say that she's sexist just because she wants her character represented appropriately in a game is a stretch.

Of my 323 words, you comprehended only one.

I understood your entire post but chose to comment on what stood out. Calling her sexist based on her post stood out, I commented. Saying my comprehension stopped there is, yet again, a stretch.

I'll remember to choose my words more wisely.

VodkaVixen1979

Using the male upper body mesh on female characters makes them look like barrel-chested, bloated, puffer fish. Oh the cries we would hear if they put boobs on all the male characters! I see more man boobs irl than barrel chested women, so there is your realism! This is a fantasy game with some classy Mage women who want to wear tasteful and well fitting clothes because they don't need armor to protect themselves. I applaud Irishgirl for sticking to her guns and speaking up. Just because this doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it's not a problem.

khele23eb17_ESO

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

You do realize it's about females having make bodies. Not about non sexy gear.

Please elaborate on cloth

Read my previous comment. Leather, Metal armor would normally look the same on both males and females as they are designed to prevent puncher and slide fractures... Cloth more open to debate but once again lets keep this ES. Anything else just google it..

Does this look right to you?

Waist and arms are not male 3d models. They have been altered to be female. The breast plate offering protection in the "created world" of ESO is made of a metal component that sits over the top and down the partial front of the breast. The Fabric then goes down FROM that metal to the waist which is also way smaller on female models then male.

There is no breast plate. Theres a metal crop top barely covering the breast area. Because of its weird shape it rests mostly on the collar bone and the solar plexus which is a rather bad idea for armor. The bulge at the top would direct most of the hits that land there to the neck and the face. Strikes to the lower half of the crop top would most likely slide down and end up in the characters gut. Its a bad ARMOR design, even more so for its 'manly' shape.

Also keep in mind this same look applies to gear that does not include metal elements.

Cazic

Not playing s video game because the playable role is male pretty much contradicts your whole stance here.

Are you saying there's something wrong with playing Super Marol because you can only play a male character? Eso is a video game after all, don't forget that.

Your opinion is valid either way, but please just submit your feedback humbly and move on. Making a big fuss out of it like this is just a cry for attention. Get over it, and game on.

khele23eb17_ESO

Cazic wrote: »

Not playing s video game because the playable role is male pretty much contradicts your whole stance here.

Are you saying there's something wrong with playing Super Marol because you can only play a male character? Eso is a video game after all, don't forget that.

Your opinion is valid either way, but please just submit your feedback humbly and move on. Making a big fuss out of it like this is just a cry for attention. Get over it, and game on.

The problem is them suddenly deciding female characters should become misshapen, androgynous freaks and the male characters should look like Michelin man.

IrishGirlGamer

Since your comments seem to be directed at my post, I'm going to try answer some of your points:

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.



Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...

yawn.

Not everyone is saying that, but whatever. This is correct and believe it or not, I agree with you.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Real female armor.
Everyone who is here saying that the armor needs to curve to the breast to be realistic has no idea what realistic female armor was like and should be like in eso...
yawn.

Yes, "yawn" is correct since you're apparently so tired that you completely missed where she is talking about CLOTH, not armor.

This was posted by someone IN THE DISCUSSION ON THIS EXACT THREAD.



That is not a problem. This picture shows no problems.

The yawn is because people are being stupid over nothing.

I don't agree with this. This picture, by your own previous statement, has a lot wrong with it.

Realistically, that growth on the front of her chest would not be there on metal or thick leather armor. It would be flatten. As a woman, I can assure you my breasts are soft, fatty flesh. If I were to put a piece of metal, or tight leather, across my chest, they would give and flatten - even to the point, as you noted earlier, of giving the impression of being flat or near flat.

Boob armor, as you call it, was never used historically. But armor (real and ceremonial) was made for women warriors and rulers (e.g. Catherine the Great, Joan of Arc). This armor, as you noted, closely resembled male armor. I am not arguing that point. But it still would be fitted to the female body.

I'm sorry, Horator, too many records exist historically to prove this - particularly in the case of Joan of Arc. The armor, male, female, unisex, would have been fitted to her body.

So what is this growth on this character's chest? It's the male mesh made for a male body. Dynamically, in game, it shapes to the highest point of the chest on the body. On a male, that highest point would be the chest muscles. The slope, down going down, on a male would be his natural ribcage. The mesh, and texture, would look fine on a male.

But it does not look fine, or even realistic, on a female. Because the mesh is shaping to the highest point on the female body, which in this case is her breasts, it is pushing the armor out, when in reality it should flatten the softer breasts. But the only way for the mesh to work, and not have her body mesh is clip out of it, is for the mesh to stop at the tip or top of her breasts. And since this is a male mesh, shaped to a male torso, the result is the the bulging chest muscles of both the first and second figure. Women don't have bulging pectoralii; they have breasts.

And this is just one issue. The shoulders are male and the line to the waist is male. The torso area is male. The armor clearly looks misshapen and unrealistic, because a woman's silhouette, even in armor, does not look like that. Even the picture you posted does not look like that.

I am trying to be respectful here. You can choose to react however you want. But this isn't about boob or revealing armor for me, so please do me the courtesy of not saying that. If you like the armor, then enjoy it.

But whether you like it or not, this is a forum for people who own the game. I own the game and I can express my opinion.

Krist

I have considered that the male figures crotches are not realistic enough either. Are we men built like women? No. Sure there may be some men out there that are .... different .... but I am sure most men would agree with me in that our crotches need the same attention as the female breasts. I have to say I have learned to live with this unpleasant feeling that my characters were inadequate....but with the new complaints of female body distortion it has made me reconsider my stance on my crotch. I hope others stand with me on their male crotches, as this sign of sexism, and even lack there of if you think about it, may drive me to reconsider my own sub.

Fight the good fight OP! Sure those of us keeping our subscription will have more crowns to spend when better clothes come out, but you will definitely be able to say you stood on your principles, while so many male characters did not stand on their crotch.

Duiwel

Sorry to hear this OP but it's not really a good enough reason for them to re-implement it.

Just look at the good female - male ratio costumes...

You girls get Nobles dress, wedding dress, heck so many dresses...

The only reasonably acceptable male costume is the wedding suit and that only works if you are going for a "Dracula" look...



Although I think they should have implimented sub rewards if you have been subbed for 1 year you get the Seche that everyone got before the game went B2P / Free to play ( for all people who owned it ), after 2 years you get another reward ( It doesn't HAVE to be a mount each year it can be a costume as well ) the point is they need to add an incentive for us make us feel special...

I think the "exclusivity" of the before it went B2P/F2P mount is overrated and they should realise now that many of those elitists don't even play anymore and bash the game more than most people like you and myself that have stuck with this game since launch... ( albeit I did not sub the full year before it went B2P due to not being aware of that mount ) I have since been a full time sub and am subbed well in advance, so even if I were in the same boat as you they would not know until almost next year

babylon

Duiwel wrote: »

Sorry to hear this OP but it's not really a good enough reason for them to re-implement it.

Right so you support females getting treated worse than males. Nice to know, be sure to let your wife and mother see what you're writing.