And this arrived in my e-mail today

Cadbury

Though I try to stay neutral at times, I feel I have to jump in and interject:

I don't think those who are protesting here like Irish are doing so for any personal agenda. This isn't like Anita Sarkeesian or anything like that. It's just to bring to light how the quality of the post-TG female armors has dropped noticeably. And this is just a small part of a growing trend of issues we, the players, have noticed as time goes on. It's disheartening and aggravating to see TES series become like this.

Ok, I'm done now

Lucious90

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME. If they decided to swap the chest plates to were my male toon has breasts, it would NOT bother me. As it wouldnt stop me from enjoying the game. I see the back of my toons head more than the front anyways, couple that with costumes if it would actually bother me.

I play female characters anyways 5 character 1 Male 4 female if you're wondering. Plus Breasted armor wouldnt be very realistic for your "imersion" folks out there

Faulgor

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

That said, that is NOT a male mesh. If it were the male mesh, it would look exactly like a male torso. But it's deformed precisely because it tries to accomodate for the female body type and the algorithm seems to suffer a stroke while doing so.

I think the consensus is it's a male mesh stretched over the female body.

Mesh being the pattern of armour. Body being the character model.

Stretches like that because there are no proper curve shapes in around the chest area on the mesh (armour pattern), if you can imagine it on a 2D surface (like a dress pattern, or in this case - a shirt pattern ). So instead of curving around the curves, it's forced to stretch over.


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The mesh is the polygon mesh of the 3D-object. It defines the shape of the object in the game. So I'm not sure what you mean with "armor pattern".

I mean, there is maybe a philosophical question: If you stretch and deform the mesh, is it still the same mesh? It is certainly defined by different points, vertices and polygons, even if you did not change the number of any of those. But I think everybody would recognize them as different objects.

Autolycus

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

My point is that it is a sweeping statement to say women are mistreated here where I highly doubt all women would agree.

Nobody was trying to speak for all women, what we are saying is it's a decision that only affects female armour and not male armour, and this seems to be something they calculated as acceptable fallout damage. Whereas you can imagine the outcry from males if the male armour was shaped to the female form. We'd have three full pages of threads about it by now - we're being very orderly here. Would you think that would be okay if your armour now had defined curves?

Yet it's okay if the female armour is shaped to the male form? And subsequently deformed because of this?

It's hideous - people in games like to show off their achievements and gear, ZOS is making it so we now want to hide in the shadows and not be seen by anyone...it's downright embarrassing to be seen in this body deforming gear.

I'm certain that Joan of Arc feels the exact opposite. "We're not speaking for all women here, just all the ones who feel the same way." Historically speaking, armor that conforms (and is decorated to reflect) to a woman's body was a rare occurrence. I'm perfectly okay with the way my female character looks. I don't think all armor styles are perfect, but I wouldn't use this as an excuse to cancel my sub and get attention on the forums.

babylon

Faulgor wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

That said, that is NOT a male mesh. If it were the male mesh, it would look exactly like a male torso. But it's deformed precisely because it tries to accomodate for the female body type and the algorithm seems to suffer a stroke while doing so.

I think the consensus is it's a male mesh stretched over the female body.

Mesh being the pattern of armour. Body being the character model.

Stretches like that because there are no proper curve shapes in around the chest area on the mesh (armour pattern), if you can imagine it on a 2D surface (like a dress pattern, or in this case - a shirt pattern ). So instead of curving around the curves, it's forced to stretch over.


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The mesh is the polygon mesh of the 3D-object. It defines the shape of the object in the game.

Yes, that is why without the shape in it (the armour mesh) once applied the the female mesh (body) it doesn't fit and looks stretched and deformed.

Lucious90

Cadbury wrote: »

Though I try to stay neutral at times, I feel I have to jump in and interject:

I don't think those who are protesting here like Irish are doing so for any personal agenda. This isn't like Anita Sarkeesian or anything like that. It's just to bring to light how the quality of the post-TG female armors has dropped noticeably. And this is just a small part of a growing trend of issues we, the players, have noticed as time goes on. It's disheartening and aggravating to see TES series become like this.

Ok, I'm done now

I would actually take this post more seriously if it highlighted the glaring lack of Quality Assurance in the game product, instead of a sexism rant. If it isnt a bug, this isn't some slight against females, this would very well be a designer taking short cuts to meet their stupidly aggressive deadline for patches and content

Hope499

As a male, please give us our eye candy back ZoS!

We dont want to stare at swamp donkeys all day, give us our hotties back!

Sidney

I cancelled my sub also yesterday immediately after my post on the subject. My thinking is the same - if I continue paying, it sends the message that I am okay with this choice and I am not.

I realize my drop in the bucket won't hurt them, but it's MY drop in the bucket and I will take it where I please.

Hopefully many others will take their drops elsewhere and then maybe ZOS will rethink this poor decision. Just awful, they don't care at all about their female players.

It's sad to see how far such an amazing game has fallen due to terrible leadership.

Titansteele

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

My point is that it is a sweeping statement to say women are mistreated here where I highly doubt all women would agree.

Whereas you can imagine the outcry from males if the male armour was shaped to the female form.
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...I am male and I would not care less but you are right, I am sure there are some that would shout about it...

Yet even you would have to agree.

The point I am making is ZOS knew it would be easier to target female armour with cost cutting than male armour and forcing the female model on the male armour.

I would like to think someone made a mistake, it was not a gender biased mistake .... merely a common garden variety smeg up which I hope they resolve. It is not game-breaking so it is not high enough priority to make a hotfix for it but it shoul dbe resolved.
I do admit that I have not had the time to read every post on the subject so I may be annoying optimistic in my outlook around this and there is a post somewhere that confirms that ZOS did this on purpose. If thats the case then save me a spot on the picket line babylon and I will hold the "Shame on you ZOS" sign.

Lucious90

Autolycus wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

My point is that it is a sweeping statement to say women are mistreated here where I highly doubt all women would agree.

Nobody was trying to speak for all women, what we are saying is it's a decision that only affects female armour and not male armour, and this seems to be something they calculated as acceptable fallout damage. Whereas you can imagine the outcry from males if the male armour was shaped to the female form. We'd have three full pages of threads about it by now - we're being very orderly here. Would you think that would be okay if your armour now had defined curves?

Yet it's okay if the female armour is shaped to the male form? And subsequently deformed because of this?

It's hideous - people in games like to show off their achievements and gear, ZOS is making it so we now want to hide in the shadows and not be seen by anyone...it's downright embarrassing to be seen in this body deforming gear.

I'm certain that Joan of Arc feels the exact opposite. "We're not speaking for all women here, just all the ones who feel the same way." Historically speaking, armor that conforms (and is decorated to reflect) to a woman's body was a rare occurrence. I'm perfectly okay with the way my female character looks. I don't think all armor styles are perfect, but I wouldn't use this as an excuse to cancel my sub and get attention on the forums.

Actually I dont think there is any actual evidence of armor conforming to the female forum, I mean at best Joan of Arc had modified.....wait for it....MALE armor. It wasnt a fasion statement (to a point) but something practical to survive in battle

I say we attach this to the stupid game debilitating bugs maybe....just maybe ZOS can fix this game... If not....atleast females have proper representation and looks good in their armor

babylon

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME.

I honestly don't believe you, remember you'd still have the male face with lipstick on it, and maybe a beard or mustache...with some nice bright blue eyeshadow...and bumps and curves sitting on top of your heavy male legs.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be happy to run around the game and show off your gear in that situation Because you'd look so pretty.

LegendaryArcher

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

I cancelled my subscription until they make Maelstrom weapons obtainable. As of today, they are only obtainable via leaderboard/weekly, which is only accessible to cheaters. They are not obtainable via Veteran Maelstrom Arena, even though there are few people that have had drops there. If the chance is 1% to get a random weapon with a random trait in a solo arena that takes 3 hours to complete, well... no! I am happy I'm not supporting this system with my money, and I regret every Cent I've put in there.

You should all try Black Desert. They really deserve your money! Beautiful environment and the RNG is capped everywhere (transparent token system: if you didn't get x in y tries, you can choose to get x 100%). No frustration, just fun!

Forgot to mention, there's also DOTA 2, where your RNG chance increases with every try, up to 100%. But if you're looking for a beautiful world with graphics like (or better than) in ESO rather than a game that looks like chess, you should go for Black Desert.

ESO is good compared to many f2p MMOs out there, but trust me, Black Desert is better. It's 2016! Support those game producers that know how to trigger fun instead of frustration!

Ritzey01

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Debate is welcomed on the forums, but it's important to keep it civil and constructive. A number of posts in this thread were baiting or demeaning, and have been removed (along with any responses).

Please remember to be respectful of others. This doesn't mean you need to agree with everyone, but it's unacceptable to attack others. As always, it is important to abide by the forum rules.

REALLY!?!?!?! This is the best response we can get on this from ZOS?

Lucious90

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME.

I honestly don't believe you, remember you'd still have the male face with lipstick on it, and maybe a beard or mustache...with some nice bright blue eyeshadow...and bumps and curves sitting on top of your heavy male legs.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be happy to run around the game and show off your gear in that situation Because you'd look so pretty.

Believe what you will, my male already runs around in a dress now. I remember in wow my one male character pvp'd in the wedding dress they had back in WotLK. Just adds to the hiliarity when I kill an enemy in Cyrodil

Lucious90

Ritzey01 wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Debate is welcomed on the forums, but it's important to keep it civil and constructive. A number of posts in this thread were baiting or demeaning, and have been removed (along with any responses).

Please remember to be respectful of others. This doesn't mean you need to agree with everyone, but it's unacceptable to attack others. As always, it is important to abide by the forum rules.

REALLY!?!?!?! This is the best response we can get on this from ZOS?

Welcome to the Pvper's daily life

Autolycus

Lucious90 wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

My point is that it is a sweeping statement to say women are mistreated here where I highly doubt all women would agree.

Nobody was trying to speak for all women, what we are saying is it's a decision that only affects female armour and not male armour, and this seems to be something they calculated as acceptable fallout damage. Whereas you can imagine the outcry from males if the male armour was shaped to the female form. We'd have three full pages of threads about it by now - we're being very orderly here. Would you think that would be okay if your armour now had defined curves?

Yet it's okay if the female armour is shaped to the male form? And subsequently deformed because of this?

It's hideous - people in games like to show off their achievements and gear, ZOS is making it so we now want to hide in the shadows and not be seen by anyone...it's downright embarrassing to be seen in this body deforming gear.

I'm certain that Joan of Arc feels the exact opposite. "We're not speaking for all women here, just all the ones who feel the same way." Historically speaking, armor that conforms (and is decorated to reflect) to a woman's body was a rare occurrence. I'm perfectly okay with the way my female character looks. I don't think all armor styles are perfect, but I wouldn't use this as an excuse to cancel my sub and get attention on the forums.

Actually I dont think there is any actual evidence of armor conforming to the female forum, I mean at best Joan of Arc had modified.....wait for it....MALE armor. It wasnt a fasion statement (to a point) but something practical to survive in battle

Which is precisely my point. What the OP (and so many others clearly) want to see in this game is a preference that is somewhat unrealistic in nature. I'm okay with wanting something unrealistic in a video game. I'm okay with wanting it to be exactly how it (hypothetically) would have been in similar and comparable time periods. I'm not saying that it shouldn't conform to a woman's body better. What I'm saying is that this is someone looking for attention, that this whole ordeal is blown way out of proportion, and that comments like this

Titansteele wrote: »

I would like to think someone made a mistake, it was not a gender biased mistake .... merely a common garden variety smeg up which I hope they resolve. It is not game-breaking so it is not high enough priority to make a hotfix for it but it shoul dbe resolved.
I do admit that I have not had the time to read every post on the subject so I may be annoying optimistic in my outlook around this and there is a post somewhere that confirms that ZOS did this on purpose. If thats the case then save me a spot on the picket line babylon and I will hold the "Shame on you ZOS" sign.

are unnecessary and discriminatory in their own nature. Of all issues in ESO right now, performance is probably the #1 most desired focus, as well as the most logical focus from a utilitarian perspective. The opinions in this thread are biased and exaggerated. The female armor in this game (although not ideal) is not nearly as "repulsive, ugly, offensive, etc." as threads like this would lead us to believe. Who honestly has the right to cast judgment on someone for something that is very likely an unintended offense. It is just as much the responsibility of the individual perceiving offense as it is the responsibility of the offender to ensure mutual satisfaction. Do comments like this merit any form of respectable response from ZOS, who likely is entitled to be offended at such outrageous accusations?

babylon

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME.

I honestly don't believe you, remember you'd still have the male face with lipstick on it, and maybe a beard or mustache...with some nice bright blue eyeshadow...and bumps and curves sitting on top of your heavy male legs.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be happy to run around the game and show off your gear in that situation Because you'd look so pretty.

Believe what you will, my male already runs around in a dress now. I remember in wow my one male character pvp'd in the wedding dress they had back in WotLK. Just adds to the hiliarity when I kill an enemy in Cyrodil

Then you're an exception. If the situation really was reversed and like I described above, I can't imagine your attitude would be the norm among the male population in any regular MMO like this with leaderboards and whatnot. Might be fun for a week...but hey who knows, maybe you're right and ZOS should do this.

ZOS at least one guy is okay with having the female mesh as the norm, can we now make it so?



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Cadbury

Lucious90 wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Though I try to stay neutral at times, I feel I have to jump in and interject:

I don't think those who are protesting here like Irish are doing so for any personal agenda. This isn't like Anita Sarkeesian or anything like that. It's just to bring to light how the quality of the post-TG female armors has dropped noticeably. And this is just a small part of a growing trend of issues we, the players, have noticed as time goes on. It's disheartening and aggravating to see TES series become like this.

Ok, I'm done now

I would actually take this post more seriously if it highlighted the glaring lack of Quality Assurance in the game product, instead of a sexism rant. If it isnt a bug, this isn't some slight against females, this would very well be a designer taking short cuts to meet their stupidly aggressive deadline for patches and content

I actually agree with you, and that's what I highlighted in my post. This topic is more about the overall lack of quality in the armor, adding on to the growing list of problems here (Cake bug, lag, class balances, etc.)

Daraugh

I have no doubt they're reading these threads. It's just too soon to make any meaningful statements that would give us definite changes for the future. Fortunately I have the time in the mornings and a bit in the evenings to post enough to help keep these topics on the front page for a long time to come. Settle in @Zos, I'm here, I'm polite and I'm stubborn so you can't get rid of me easily.

For what it's worth, I've also canceled my sub until the male/female armor mesh issues are resolved.

Inarre

Lucious90 wrote: »

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME. If they decided to swap the chest plates to were my male toon has breasts, it would NOT bother me. As it wouldnt stop me from enjoying the game. I see the back of my toons head more than the front anyways, couple that with costumes if it would actually bother me.

Excellent ZOS we have a solution!

Lucious90

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME.

I honestly don't believe you, remember you'd still have the male face with lipstick on it, and maybe a beard or mustache...with some nice bright blue eyeshadow...and bumps and curves sitting on top of your heavy male legs.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be happy to run around the game and show off your gear in that situation Because you'd look so pretty.

Believe what you will, my male already runs around in a dress now. I remember in wow my one male character pvp'd in the wedding dress they had back in WotLK. Just adds to the hiliarity when I kill an enemy in Cyrodil

Then you're an exception. If the situation really was reversed and like I described above, I can't imagine your attitude would be the norm among the male population in any regular MMO like this with leaderboards and whatnot. Might be fun for a week...but hey who knows, maybe you're right and ZOS should do this.

ZOS at least one guy is okay with having the female mesh as the norm, can we now make it so?



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The guys(literal term guys of the male gender) I play with, as long as the game functions like its supposed to, something as dumb as "muh boob1z dunt luk gud in muh armurz". That can be secondary, which honestly is the least of this games concerns, id be ok with droping the graphics quality to runescape quality if it means we can have a game that functions like it should ie Lag, more even playing field with classes, permaroot, I cant streak without camera bugging and more

babylon

Titansteele wrote: »

I would like to think someone made a mistake, it was not a gender biased mistake .... merely a common garden variety smeg up which I hope they resolve. It is not game-breaking so it is not high enough priority to make a hotfix for it but it shoul dbe resolved.
I do admit that I have not had the time to read every post on the subject so I may be annoying optimistic in my outlook around this and there is a post somewhere that confirms that ZOS did this on purpose. If thats the case then save me a spot on the picket line babylon and I will hold the "Shame on you ZOS" sign.

There's a post somewhere round here where Gina (during some ESO Live video thing) said it's a design decision. They no longer create female torsos and instead use the male torso piece.

Found it -

lordrichter wrote: »

From ESO Live #13, this is what Gina said. I include the "boob window" comment, as well as the male torso comment.

"The only asset that we changed to really address the revealing armor issue was... well... the boob window, as everybody calls it. That was found on the orc female heavy armor. This was actually supposed to be fixed prior to launch but, just didn't get around to it.

The female Redguard armor changed because we no longer created custom female torsos for armor sets. Rather, we typically used the male torso piece to fit the female with some anatomical changes where they were necessary.

When we updated the Redguard armors, the overall look changed and we actually lost some of the halter top pieces. No offense was really intended, and we recognized that this kinda disappointed some of you. We aren't really planning on changing any additional armors that exist in the game, but we are discussing options for new clothing designs, maybe like halter tops, that can be added to clothing styles that you can find in the game, and also looking into some fashionable options for the Crown Store.

We have been following the discussion about all of these changes and we are going to use that as feedback to kind of inform other decisions about armor and clothing styles moving forward."

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waterfairy

Daraugh wrote: »

I have no doubt they're reading these threads. It's just too soon to make any meaningful statements that would give us definite changes for the future. Fortunately I have the time in the mornings and a bit in the evenings to post enough to help keep these topics on the front page for a long time to come. Settle in @Zos, I'm here, I'm polite and I'm stubborn so you can't get rid of me easily.

For what it's worth, I've also canceled my sub until the male/female armor mesh issues are resolved.

Keep this fresh as it seems that they don't realize how important appearance is in MMO's...it's practically the cosplay convention of video games

Lucious90

Cadbury wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

Though I try to stay neutral at times, I feel I have to jump in and interject:

I don't think those who are protesting here like Irish are doing so for any personal agenda. This isn't like Anita Sarkeesian or anything like that. It's just to bring to light how the quality of the post-TG female armors has dropped noticeably. And this is just a small part of a growing trend of issues we, the players, have noticed as time goes on. It's disheartening and aggravating to see TES series become like this.

Ok, I'm done now

I would actually take this post more seriously if it highlighted the glaring lack of Quality Assurance in the game product, instead of a sexism rant. If it isnt a bug, this isn't some slight against females, this would very well be a designer taking short cuts to meet their stupidly aggressive deadline for patches and content

I actually agree with you, and that's what I highlighted in my post. This topic is more about the overall lack of quality in the armor, adding on to the growing list of problems here (Cake bug, lag, class balances, etc.)

I agree with you up to the point about the OP topic. She even said its about a gender thing. If she would of worded it other wise like the muliple other posts actually highlighting the issue, but instead stated that her gender is important, she doesnt play games that only have male figures blah blah..... Thats my issue with the premise of the OP

Elsonso

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Obliterate wrote: »

A very good exampleof how male and female armor can be similar. I am sure that ZOS had this in mind, and it would have been fine for heavy and medium armor. Instead, they modeled the male torso after Arnold Schwarzenegger at the peak of his body building days and exaggerated the dimensions of the rib cage, which was then used widely for armor and clothing.

Sidney

TheGrayChangeling wrote: »

Without supporting or opposing these ZOS armor design decisions I would offer a couple of articles on this topic that some might find interesting. The gist? IRL boob plates probably never existed - which is good because they would have more likely endangered than protected the wearer.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/what-kind-of-armor-did-medieval-women-really-wear-1502779338

http://www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/

PS apologies if this was already mentioned.

@TheGrayChangeling

I see these reasonings all over and I understand what people are saying. However, we're also summoning pets and horses out of thin air, shooting fire, ice and lighting from a piece of wood, breathing fire from our mouths, summoning and fighting demons, zombies, werewolves etc.

The list of unrealistic things in this game can go on and on and on because it's fantasy! And IF they were to try and make our characters more realistic in the male armor, the way it came out is absolutely not. It's blocky and looks like someone lopped only a portion of the breasts off.

It's not realistic. They'd have to again make separate meshes for the females to make it look realistic and historically accurate, so anyone who gives this argument is doing so in vain.

If people want a realistic and historically accurate game they should not be playing a fantasy game.

Lucious90

lordrichter wrote: »

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Obliterate wrote: »

A very good exampleof how male and female armor can be similar. I am sure that ZOS had this in mind, and it would have been fine for heavy and medium armor. Instead, they modeled the male torso after Arnold Schwarzenegger at the peak of his body building days and exaggerated the dimensions of the rib cage, which was then used widely for armor and clothing.

But muh boob1z must luk gud!!!

Hope499

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

I would like to think someone made a mistake, it was not a gender biased mistake .... merely a common garden variety smeg up which I hope they resolve. It is not game-breaking so it is not high enough priority to make a hotfix for it but it shoul dbe resolved.
I do admit that I have not had the time to read every post on the subject so I may be annoying optimistic in my outlook around this and there is a post somewhere that confirms that ZOS did this on purpose. If thats the case then save me a spot on the picket line babylon and I will hold the "Shame on you ZOS" sign.

There's a post somewhere round here where Gina (during some ESO Live video thing) said it's a design decision. They no longer create female torsos and instead use the male torso piece.

Found it -

lordrichter wrote: »

From ESO Live #13, this is what Gina said. I include the "boob window" comment, as well as the male torso comment.

"The only asset that we changed to really address the revealing armor issue was... well... the boob window, as everybody calls it. That was found on the orc female heavy armor. This was actually supposed to be fixed prior to launch but, just didn't get around to it.

The female Redguard armor changed because we no longer created custom female torsos for armor sets. Rather, we typically used the male torso piece to fit the female with some anatomical changes where they were necessary.

When we updated the Redguard armors, the overall look changed and we actually lost some of the halter top pieces. No offense was really intended, and we recognized that this kinda disappointed some of you. We aren't really planning on changing any additional armors that exist in the game, but we are discussing options for new clothing designs, maybe like halter tops, that can be added to clothing styles that you can find in the game, and also looking into some fashionable options for the Crown Store.

We have been following the discussion about all of these changes and we are going to use that as feedback to kind of inform other decisions about armor and clothing styles moving forward."

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Wow...that is pretty pathetic.


Guys, if we all had female torsos, would you be cool with it?

And its because they *** up, and dont want to be bothered changing it back?

Just terrible...

babylon

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Lucious90 wrote: »

Villious wrote: »

Obliterate wrote: »

It's a game.

Lazy excuse.

It's a paid for product. Sorry sir. We burned your steak, but we're not gonna make it right. It's only food, and you eat that everyday. I'd love to sell you stuff!

Actually this is a good point, it is just a game. If you want to soap box women's rights in a video game because the armor doesnt look right in an already buggy game system, and you feel triggered...

So you're saying if ZOS decided from now on your character had bumps on his chest and also wore makeup (bright lipstick and everything), and everyone said "it's just a game it's ok", and ZOS said it will always be like this from now on...you'd agree with the decision and be okay with it and everyone telling you "it's just a game" - implying you should just accept it happily.

That sit well with you?

Actually it wouldnt bother me.... Why..... Because its just a GAME.

I honestly don't believe you, remember you'd still have the male face with lipstick on it, and maybe a beard or mustache...with some nice bright blue eyeshadow...and bumps and curves sitting on top of your heavy male legs.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be happy to run around the game and show off your gear in that situation Because you'd look so pretty.

Believe what you will, my male already runs around in a dress now. I remember in wow my one male character pvp'd in the wedding dress they had back in WotLK. Just adds to the hiliarity when I kill an enemy in Cyrodil

Then you're an exception. If the situation really was reversed and like I described above, I can't imagine your attitude would be the norm among the male population in any regular MMO like this with leaderboards and whatnot. Might be fun for a week...but hey who knows, maybe you're right and ZOS should do this.

ZOS at least one guy is okay with having the female mesh as the norm, can we now make it so?



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The guys(literal term guys of the male gender) I play with, as long as the game functions like its supposed to, something as dumb as "muh boob1z dunt luk gud in muh armurz". That can be secondary, which honestly is the least of this games concerns, id be ok with droping the graphics quality to runescape quality if it means we can have a game that functions like it should ie Lag, more even playing field with classes, permaroot, I cant streak without camera bugging and more

That's a whole world of difference from many of us here, who like the social aspects of a game and like to look good, in our gear and costumes, with our horses and pets and social things. The same people who like these things also spend money in the Crown Store buying these social items and nice costumes and whatnot, so you would think ZOS would respect our opinions on how these social things actually look, seeing as we'll be the ones buying them.

I don't think you and your friends are the target market for the Crown Store social items, as you're just not into graphics and appearance.

Autolycus

Hope499 wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

I would like to think someone made a mistake, it was not a gender biased mistake .... merely a common garden variety smeg up which I hope they resolve. It is not game-breaking so it is not high enough priority to make a hotfix for it but it shoul dbe resolved.
I do admit that I have not had the time to read every post on the subject so I may be annoying optimistic in my outlook around this and there is a post somewhere that confirms that ZOS did this on purpose. If thats the case then save me a spot on the picket line babylon and I will hold the "Shame on you ZOS" sign.

There's a post somewhere round here where Gina (during some ESO Live video thing) said it's a design decision. They no longer create female torsos and instead use the male torso piece.

Found it -

lordrichter wrote: »

From ESO Live #13, this is what Gina said. I include the "boob window" comment, as well as the male torso comment.

"The only asset that we changed to really address the revealing armor issue was... well... the boob window, as everybody calls it. That was found on the orc female heavy armor. This was actually supposed to be fixed prior to launch but, just didn't get around to it.

The female Redguard armor changed because we no longer created custom female torsos for armor sets. Rather, we typically used the male torso piece to fit the female with some anatomical changes where they were necessary.

When we updated the Redguard armors, the overall look changed and we actually lost some of the halter top pieces. No offense was really intended, and we recognized that this kinda disappointed some of you. We aren't really planning on changing any additional armors that exist in the game, but we are discussing options for new clothing designs, maybe like halter tops, that can be added to clothing styles that you can find in the game, and also looking into some fashionable options for the Crown Store.

We have been following the discussion about all of these changes and we are going to use that as feedback to kind of inform other decisions about armor and clothing styles moving forward."

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Wow...that is pretty pathetic.


Guys, if we all had female torsos, would you be cool with it?

And its because they *** up, and dont want to be bothered changing it back?

Just terrible...

Probably the the most narrow-minded post I've seen on this thread so far. "We didn't mean to offend you, and we're looking into making it better in the future." - This is what he said; not, "get over it, we're not gonna look at this at all because we hate women." Get a grip. This is the exact reason why our crown store has like 12 dresses on it, but took 6 months to get a damn tuxedo. Hypocritical to say the least.

Did I mention that my character looks fantastic in her armor?