nimander99 wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We are glad to see everyone voicing their opinions in regards to the assistance. Now as this thread has become rather heated, we have removed a few posts for Flaming to help keep this civil and constructive.Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
But are you people actually TAKING NOTE of the sentiments here? This is GREED, pure and simple. Greed.
Did someone say: 'Let's see how far we can fleece our players before they stop paying'?
That price for full functionality, then maybe, yes, but for gimped services that you can get better in town? NO.
They are a business out to make money. Greed is good.
A business in a free market economy operates under the fair exchange concept, this entire argument/complaint from the community is that most feel this is not a fair exchange.
And greed is NOT good, that's why Dante considered it one of the Seven Deadly Sins...
That's exactly the problem I have with this pricing. It doesn't maximize the money ZOS can make off the assistants. Not in the slightest.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »nimander99 wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We are glad to see everyone voicing their opinions in regards to the assistance. Now as this thread has become rather heated, we have removed a few posts for Flaming to help keep this civil and constructive.Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
But are you people actually TAKING NOTE of the sentiments here? This is GREED, pure and simple. Greed.
Did someone say: 'Let's see how far we can fleece our players before they stop paying'?
That price for full functionality, then maybe, yes, but for gimped services that you can get better in town? NO.
They are a business out to make money. Greed is good.
A business in a free market economy operates under the fair exchange concept, this entire argument/complaint from the community is that most feel this is not a fair exchange.
And greed is NOT good, that's why Dante considered it one of the Seven Deadly Sins...
If you dont think its something you would buy then dont buy it. ZOS is not some charity. They are a corporation whos sole reason for existing is to make money. As much as possible. Only in your opinion is the price not "fair" whatever that is. I dont think its fair a ferrari costs $300,000.
You're not looking at this from the point of view of an electronic product.Sure, if the majority thought 1,000 crowns was the best price and ZOS did that, and yet then could not pay the bills, would it be better?
No, because then the game would end if it's too cheap and they cannot pay their expenses!
It's not like a traditional product or service where there's a cost associated with each discrete sale. If the majority of people thought $1,000 was the best price for a truck and Ford decided to listen to them and price their trucks at $1,000, then they'd go out of business because the price people are paying isn't enough to cover the cost per unit of producing and delivering those trucks and there's no profit.
With an electronic product you've got a fixed cost to produce it once regardless of the number of units sold. So say (using totally imaginary numbers here) it costs ZOS $5,000 to produce a certain crown store item. If they price it so that it costs the equivalent of $25 in crowns, then they need to sell 200 to break even, and every sale beyond that is profit (some of which will obviously go back to pay for the ongoing static costs of keeping the game running - note that those costs are effectively a constant as they are unaffected by how many of the crown store item are sold). If they price the same item at the equivalent of $10 in crowns, then they need to sell 500 to break even, and every sale beyond that is profit.
Now let's assume that there are 5,000 players who might potentially buy the item. Priced at $25 only 10% of them will buy it, so the income from the item is $12,500, less the $5,000 cost of producing it, for a profit of $7,500. If it was priced at $10 then 30% of them will buy it, so the income for the item is $15,000, less the $5,000 cost of producing it, for a profit of $10,000.
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The_Linderman wrote: »5000 Crowns is far, FAR too much for assistants that do what can be accomplished via a quick way shrine jump to a town. The convenience doesn't out weight the cost and necessity, or lack there of.
Thealteregoroman wrote: »I bought them both.
*chokes on her coffee*
N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »I won't be touching the assistants till I see the new senche on sale.
I've missed out of the cheetah twice. I shall not miss that crazy demon spawn from the ground cat!
Don't be surprised if it comes with a 5k crown price tag as well.
Actually, let's stop calling this 5k crowns. Let's call this what it truly is. $40
Asherons_Call wrote: »If you only buy crowns when they're on sale and are an ESO+ member, the prices for things in the crown store drop dramatically.
I bought a few of the reduced 5500 crown packs at Christmas along with my monthly 1500 and that's all I've ever needed. Spend your money wisely people. Don't jump on every flash sale for useless skins and mounts. Use it for items that help your gameplay. I bought around 100 XP scrolls when a 5 pack was only 500 crowns. I buy motifs that I have trouble getting in game. I bought bag upgrades when they were on sale, etc etc etc
Asherons_Call wrote: »If you only buy crowns when they're on sale and are an ESO+ member, the prices for things in the crown store drop dramatically.
I bought a few of the reduced 5500 crown packs at Christmas along with my monthly 1500 and that's all I've ever needed. Spend your money wisely people. Don't jump on every flash sale for useless skins and mounts. Use it for items that help your gameplay. I bought around 100 XP scrolls when a 5 pack was only 500 crowns. I buy motifs that I have trouble getting in game. I bought bag upgrades when they were on sale, etc etc etc
Its a personal assistant! Try getting one in real life, they are pretty expensive If you feel they are too pricey now then just do your own groceries for now and wait for the next promo. Within the next 6 months you will surely be able to pick them up at 50% discount either through a crown sale or because this will be the item of the month.
If everyone is freaking out now then I am pretty sure the barber shop and player housing will cause quite a stir too. I expect a lot of that stuff, or at least the coolest stuff, to be crown items too. Better start saving up your real life $ boys n girls! And yes, ZOS is in it to make money but lets not go too crazy on that theme. I wouldnt exactly compare them to an investment bank... these are a bunch of creative geeks being held in check by some more business savy and shareholder focussed senior execs, watch ESO Live and you will get a good feel for the place. I dont expect we will see Gina, Kai or any of those people at a senate hearing any time soon explaing how they ruined the world economy
Its a personal assistant! Try getting one in real life, they are pretty expensive If you feel they are too pricey now then just do your own groceries for now and wait for the next promo. Within the next 6 months you will surely be able to pick them up at 50% discount either through a crown sale or because this will be the item of the month.
If everyone is freaking out now then I am pretty sure the barber shop and player housing will cause quite a stir too. I expect a lot of that stuff, or at least the coolest stuff, to be crown items too. Better start saving up your real life $ boys n girls! And yes, ZOS is in it to make money but lets not go too crazy on that theme. I wouldnt exactly compare them to an investment bank... these are a bunch of creative geeks being held in check by some more business savy and shareholder focussed senior execs, watch ESO Live and you will get a good feel for the place. I dont expect we will see Gina, Kai or any of those people at a senate hearing any time soon explaing how they ruined the world economy
Here's some perspective:
Each assistant will costs about the same as the game itself.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »If you dont think its something you would buy then dont buy it. ZOS is not some charity. They are a corporation whos sole reason for existing is to make money. As much as possible. Only in your opinion is the price not "fair" whatever that is. I dont think its fair a ferrari costs $300,000.
That's exactly the problem I have with this pricing. It doesn't maximize the money ZOS can make off the assistants. Not in the slightest.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »nimander99 wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We are glad to see everyone voicing their opinions in regards to the assistance. Now as this thread has become rather heated, we have removed a few posts for Flaming to help keep this civil and constructive.Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
But are you people actually TAKING NOTE of the sentiments here? This is GREED, pure and simple. Greed.
Did someone say: 'Let's see how far we can fleece our players before they stop paying'?
That price for full functionality, then maybe, yes, but for gimped services that you can get better in town? NO.
They are a business out to make money. Greed is good.
A business in a free market economy operates under the fair exchange concept, this entire argument/complaint from the community is that most feel this is not a fair exchange.
And greed is NOT good, that's why Dante considered it one of the Seven Deadly Sins...
If you dont think its something you would buy then dont buy it. ZOS is not some charity. They are a corporation whos sole reason for existing is to make money. As much as possible. Only in your opinion is the price not "fair" whatever that is. I dont think its fair a ferrari costs $300,000.
I really can not justify paying that price.
In the event I am too lazy to go to the bank or merchant I would rather spend a small amount mailing some of my overloaded inventory to friend and asking them to drop it in a guild bank after they help themselves.
I would be willing to pay 1500-2000 max.
Thealteregoroman wrote: »I bought them both.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »If you dont think its something you would buy then dont buy it. ZOS is not some charity. They are a corporation whos sole reason for existing is to make money. As much as possible. Only in your opinion is the price not "fair" whatever that is. I dont think its fair a ferrari costs $300,000.
There's a difference between "fair" and "highway robbery" too..
Woooo, talk about price gouged. It's a tiny convenience, and unless they're going to start making it charge gold to teleport between known shrines, and to shrines at guildmates/friends, then this is just silly. The only thing I can think of this being profitable with, is if your character is constantly on the wrong side of the law and you're too inept of a thief to sneak into the hideouts.
Thealteregoroman wrote: »I bought them both.
I bought them both twice, barefoot, in the snow. On all ten of my accounts.
Then I sent ZOS a TY instagram.
And that was all before breakfast!
EDIT: JK I wouldn't but these for half that price!
The previous posters are right, ZOS is losing a TON of money catering to the whales. I worry this will mean that when we finally get race change or re-customization they will want like $60 each or something ridiculous and totally unprecedented in the industry.
I hate the b2P model more with each passing day.
That's exactly the problem I have with this pricing. It doesn't maximize the money ZOS can make off the assistants. Not in the slightest.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »nimander99 wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We are glad to see everyone voicing their opinions in regards to the assistance. Now as this thread has become rather heated, we have removed a few posts for Flaming to help keep this civil and constructive.Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
But are you people actually TAKING NOTE of the sentiments here? This is GREED, pure and simple. Greed.
Did someone say: 'Let's see how far we can fleece our players before they stop paying'?
That price for full functionality, then maybe, yes, but for gimped services that you can get better in town? NO.
They are a business out to make money. Greed is good.
A business in a free market economy operates under the fair exchange concept, this entire argument/complaint from the community is that most feel this is not a fair exchange.
And greed is NOT good, that's why Dante considered it one of the Seven Deadly Sins...
If you dont think its something you would buy then dont buy it. ZOS is not some charity. They are a corporation whos sole reason for existing is to make money. As much as possible. Only in your opinion is the price not "fair" whatever that is. I dont think its fair a ferrari costs $300,000.
Here's a quote from another thread that's relevant:You're not looking at this from the point of view of an electronic product.Sure, if the majority thought 1,000 crowns was the best price and ZOS did that, and yet then could not pay the bills, would it be better?
No, because then the game would end if it's too cheap and they cannot pay their expenses!
It's not like a traditional product or service where there's a cost associated with each discrete sale. If the majority of people thought $1,000 was the best price for a truck and Ford decided to listen to them and price their trucks at $1,000, then they'd go out of business because the price people are paying isn't enough to cover the cost per unit of producing and delivering those trucks and there's no profit.
With an electronic product you've got a fixed cost to produce it once regardless of the number of units sold. So say (using totally imaginary numbers here) it costs ZOS $5,000 to produce a certain crown store item. If they price it so that it costs the equivalent of $25 in crowns, then they need to sell 200 to break even, and every sale beyond that is profit (some of which will obviously go back to pay for the ongoing static costs of keeping the game running - note that those costs are effectively a constant as they are unaffected by how many of the crown store item are sold). If they price the same item at the equivalent of $10 in crowns, then they need to sell 500 to break even, and every sale beyond that is profit.
Now let's assume that there are 5,000 players who might potentially buy the item. Priced at $25 only 10% of them will buy it, so the income from the item is $12,500, less the $5,000 cost of producing it, for a profit of $7,500. If it was priced at $10 then 30% of them will buy it, so the income for the item is $15,000, less the $5,000 cost of producing it, for a profit of $10,000.
I would be inclined to agree, actually, but at the same time being greedy doesn't mean that you're good at being greedy. I mean, just wanting stuff doesn't mean that you'll be good at doing the best thing to get you what you want. So really an argument could be made either way.DaveMoeDee wrote: »That's exactly the problem I have with this pricing. It doesn't maximize the money ZOS can make off the assistants. Not in the slightest.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »nimander99 wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We are glad to see everyone voicing their opinions in regards to the assistance. Now as this thread has become rather heated, we have removed a few posts for Flaming to help keep this civil and constructive.Flaming: It’s okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that you keep all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the thread discussion.
But are you people actually TAKING NOTE of the sentiments here? This is GREED, pure and simple. Greed.
Did someone say: 'Let's see how far we can fleece our players before they stop paying'?
That price for full functionality, then maybe, yes, but for gimped services that you can get better in town? NO.
They are a business out to make money. Greed is good.
A business in a free market economy operates under the fair exchange concept, this entire argument/complaint from the community is that most feel this is not a fair exchange.
And greed is NOT good, that's why Dante considered it one of the Seven Deadly Sins...
If you dont think its something you would buy then dont buy it. ZOS is not some charity. They are a corporation whos sole reason for existing is to make money. As much as possible. Only in your opinion is the price not "fair" whatever that is. I dont think its fair a ferrari costs $300,000.
If they aren't maximizing money, than I assume you are saying that the people saying that they are "greedy" are talking nonsense.
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