Radiant Destruction

Joy_Division · March 2016

timidobserver wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

The big missconception here is that people ignorantly say Templars are weak or the weakest in pvp. As far as the class goes it is probably the most well balanced class minus breath of life hitting way to hard and jabs having that stupid snare at the end.

Radiant destruction just needs to be dodgable again. It brings it in line with the other executes but still has the opportunity to do what it was intended to do... Execute.

It was more or less worthless when it was dodgable given that it didn't break the channel. This is why most Templar did not even bother to slot it.

Don't waste your breath arguing. Typical forum bias.

"Just let me completely avoid your attack while you can do nothing but have your hand on your crotch."

Itoq · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

I cannot even outheal two glass cannon magicka templars spamming RD on me from full health.

Of which class are the two glass cannons that you can out heal?

manny254 · March 2016

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Pretty sure a class that 1 shots an entire group, an organized group at that, would be the best. Mag DKs got nerfed for a year for doing that.

This is madness and a witch hunt with all kinds of erroneous statements being thrown around.

This is spartaaaaaa!!!!!

Yes magicka nbs can excel at a very specific form of ganking. If you actually fight one of those builds in a straight up fight they will fall over. Where my magicka templar build can excel in all situations.

boundsy88 · March 2016

im only going to be playing my one shot vicious death nightblade in pvp from now on. because playing any other class means u get 1vRD'd by 5 templars. this is what the game has come to. i dont want to have to play it all the time, but on any other class i just end up rage quitting. there is no effective counter to radiant. people will say bash it. try bashing it in a fight with any more than 1 person. u will be dead before u get the opportunity. even line of sight doesnt break the tick instantly

Itoq · March 2016

boundsy88 wrote: »

im only going to be playing my one shot vicious death nightblade in pvp from now on. because playing any other class means u get 1vRD'd by 5 templars.

I agree that cloak and VD are pretty OP. But, how do the other classes (norm build) and armor set bonuses do against any other five players/classes hitting them at once with nearly any offensive skill (not even to mention any offensive skill multiplied by five players over 2.8 seconds?) Yeah, I suppose that he average sorc build also has a chance against five hits - have you rolled a sorc yet?

I would rather be hit with five RD rather than five crit charge/heavy attack/ult or five spambush or five CF or five snipes or...

I haven't pvp'ed all that much over the last few months (due to the current state of the game.) But, for the last few days I have spent several hours pvp'ing (on my stam DK) and RD is the least of my worries. Hell, when I get hit by RD or multiple RD at least I know what is happening and I don't get perma CC'ed or insta killed.

Master_Kas · March 2016

@Kr3do

Kr3do · March 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

@Kr3do

Prootch be like:

frozywozy · March 2016

Itoq wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I cannot even outheal two glass cannon magicka templars spamming RD on me from full health.

Of which class are the two glass cannons that you can out heal?

First of, I can defend myself against any other glass cannon class because their damage is not unavoidable. Second, we're talking about two players spamming an execute from full health. I can easily deal with any other execute (from full health) but RD because it's unavoidable and deal a ton of damage. By the time I bash one to interrupt the channeling, I get hit from 3-4 other attacks from someone else which get me even lower.

I had to resolve on slotting igneous shield instead of poison injection to absorb a part of the RD spam which helps a little. Hour ray! Now my marskman set is useless in solo / small group play. And guess what? Combat bug hasn't been fixed yet so if I wanna switch set depending of the situation, I have to totally leave group and hide for 1minute.. not worth thinking.

failkiwib16_ESO · March 2016

....blaming a skill, because you loose 1v2 fights x_x

Darnathian · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Itoq wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I cannot even outheal two glass cannon magicka templars spamming RD on me from full health.

Of which class are the two glass cannons that you can out heal?

First of, I can defend myself against any other glass cannon class because their damage is not unavoidable. Second, we're talking about two players spamming an execute from full health. I can easily deal with any other execute (from full health) but RD because it's unavoidable and deal a ton of damage. By the time I bash one to interrupt the channeling, I get hit from 3-4 other attacks from someone else which get me even lower.

I had to resolve on slotting igneous shield instead of poison injection to absorb a part of the RD spam which helps a little. Hour ray! Now my marskman set is useless in solo / small group play. And guess what? Combat bug hasn't been fixed yet so if I wanna switch set depending of the situation, I have to totally leave group and hide for 1minute.. not worth thinking.

your wb spam is way worse and hits mich harder. stop whining.

frozywozy · March 2016

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Itoq wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I cannot even outheal two glass cannon magicka templars spamming RD on me from full health.

Of which class are the two glass cannons that you can out heal?

First of, I can defend myself against any other glass cannon class because their damage is not unavoidable. Second, we're talking about two players spamming an execute from full health. I can easily deal with any other execute (from full health) but RD because it's unavoidable and deal a ton of damage. By the time I bash one to interrupt the channeling, I get hit from 3-4 other attacks from someone else which get me even lower.

I had to resolve on slotting igneous shield instead of poison injection to absorb a part of the RD spam which helps a little. Hour ray! Now my marskman set is useless in solo / small group play. And guess what? Combat bug hasn't been fixed yet so if I wanna switch set depending of the situation, I have to totally leave group and hide for 1minute.. not worth thinking.

your wb spam is way worse and hits mich harder. stop whining.

Let's compare WB spam and RD spam shall we?

How to counter Wrecking blow spam :

1) Shield stack
2) Block
3) Roll through
4) Use CCs (Streak, Fossilize, Jabs, Fear, etc)
5) Use invisibility

How to counter Radian Destruction spam :

1) Shield stack
2) Interrupt (Bash)
3) Use CCs (Streak, Fossilize, Jabs, Fear, etc)

Fair enough.

What can a stam DK do? 2) and 3)

Zheg · March 2016

If a templar decides to go melee range on you with toppling charge and sweep, you have WB, and should win.

If a templar decides to stay at ranged, slot poison arrow and you just shut down all of their dps (including DF), completely, while still doing your own. Countering RD is easier than countering WB, you're just choosing not to - which is fine, that's how balance works. You make choices for what build and skills to use, but asking for nerfs to the weakness of your decisions is another thing altogether. Most of the people I see complaining about RD are doing so because they can no longer dodge it and maintain an overpowered stam build from last patch.

frozywozy · March 2016

Zheg wrote: »

If a templar decides to go melee range on you with toppling charge and sweep, you have WB, and should win.

If a templar decides to stay at ranged, slot poison arrow and you just shut down all of their dps (including DF), completely, while still doing your own. Countering RD is easier than countering WB, you're just choosing not to - which is fine, that's how balance works. You make choices for what build and skills to use, but asking for nerfs to the weakness of your decisions is another thing altogether. Most of the people I see complaining about RD are doing so because they can no longer dodge it and maintain an overpowered stam build from last patch.

Post me a video of a stam class 1vXing other people with glass cannon magicka templars in the back and being successful. Until that happen I'll keep complaining that magicka templar got over buffed. Your whole paragraph describes a 1v1 fight, which I said was fine. My argument was regarding a situation where I'm outnumbered.

Now that everyone and their mother and their sisters are running RD, it makes it very hard to even consider going in melee with someone during a large scale fight, because you know that by the time you get out of RD range, you will be dead.

Zheg · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

If a templar decides to go melee range on you with toppling charge and sweep, you have WB, and should win.

If a templar decides to stay at ranged, slot poison arrow and you just shut down all of their dps (including DF), completely, while still doing your own. Countering RD is easier than countering WB, you're just choosing not to - which is fine, that's how balance works. You make choices for what build and skills to use, but asking for nerfs to the weakness of your decisions is another thing altogether. Most of the people I see complaining about RD are doing so because they can no longer dodge it and maintain an overpowered stam build from last patch.

Post me a video of a stam class 1vXing other people with glass cannon magicka templars in the back and being successful. Until that happen I'll keep complaining that magicka templar got over buffed. Your whole paragraph describes a 1v1 fight, which I said was fine. My argument was regarding a situation where I'm outnumbered.

Now that everyone and their mother and their sisters are running RD, it makes it very hard to even consider going in melee with someone during a large scale fight, because you know that by the time you get out of RD range, you will be dead.

And a glass cannon NB in the back stealthed up ready to lotus fan in with an exploding prox det (or ani cancelling funnel health until they can dump a 20k+ assassin's will on you)? Or a glass cannon sorc popping frags and curses? Your gripes are not being able to 1vX any more on overtuned builds that let you do it last patch and are honing in on templars because they're suddenly using one of their skills again since it can't be dodged and isn't completely useless any more.

frozywozy · March 2016

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

If a templar decides to go melee range on you with toppling charge and sweep, you have WB, and should win.

If a templar decides to stay at ranged, slot poison arrow and you just shut down all of their dps (including DF), completely, while still doing your own. Countering RD is easier than countering WB, you're just choosing not to - which is fine, that's how balance works. You make choices for what build and skills to use, but asking for nerfs to the weakness of your decisions is another thing altogether. Most of the people I see complaining about RD are doing so because they can no longer dodge it and maintain an overpowered stam build from last patch.

Post me a video of a stam class 1vXing other people with glass cannon magicka templars in the back and being successful. Until that happen I'll keep complaining that magicka templar got over buffed. Your whole paragraph describes a 1v1 fight, which I said was fine. My argument was regarding a situation where I'm outnumbered.

Now that everyone and their mother and their sisters are running RD, it makes it very hard to even consider going in melee with someone during a large scale fight, because you know that by the time you get out of RD range, you will be dead.

And a glass cannon NB in the back stealthed up ready to lotus fan in with an exploding prox det (or ani cancelling funnel health until they can dump a 20k+ assassin's will on you)? Or a glass cannon sorc popping frags and curses? Your gripes are not being able to 1vX any more on overtuned builds that let you do it last patch and are honing in on templars because they're suddenly using one of their skills again since it can't be dodged and isn't completely useless any more.

Everything you just said can be countered easily. RD cannot be countered in a large scale fight. You either roll range, you run in a 24men ballgroup relying on massive heals and the lag you create or you siege in the back.

Elong · March 2016

There was a list on the first page of over 20 counters to RD.

As usual for you Frozn, it's a learn to play issue.

AddictionX · March 2016

I would forfeit those "over 20" counters for it to be dodgable again. If it worked at say 25 percent hp that would be fine, great shield stacking counter tho lmao

Templar "20k shields eh? Press... and... watch"

Sorc "ehehe my shieeeeelds.... gaaaah ***"

Alcast · March 2016

I will upload a vid soon to show how balanced this skill is Kappa.
oh and also 20k Ice comets are balanced so 2x Kappa

Master_Kas · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

I will upload a vid soon to show how balanced this skill is Kappa.
oh and also 20k Ice comets are balanced so 2x Kappa

Don't forget the 16k+ snipes flying around , hit a v16 pleb for 17k today. No impen and all light armor probably but still xD

AddictionX · March 2016

Some how Radiant Destruction has some resemblance with this clip. Enjoy

*dramatic music*

this showcases every pug/everyone basically pug or sans-pug in open world cyrodil vs Radiant destruction. POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEnCPnMAzaM

Sorry Master Windu l2p. I know you blocked but it drained your stamina too fast and left you wide open.

Damn it why didnt you bash, cc, or [insert suggestion here]

REVENGE OF THE TEMPLARS

Elong · March 2016

Windu should have executed him while he had the chance instead of listening to a spy on his alt.

AddictionX · March 2016

^basically l2-counter spai

AddictionX · March 2016

I think it should be reflectable

like this >

danno8 · March 2016

I like how people are incredulous that they may have to slot a specific skill in order to counter RD. A skill like purge which will completely shut down RD backplane spammers.

Oh, you don't want to slot Purge because you are stamina? Well tough, my magicka Templar has to block or roll dodge those WB spammers, sucking my stamina dry in no time.

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

Darnathian · March 2016

danno8 wrote: »

I like how people are incredulous that they may have to slot a specific skill in order to counter RD. A skill like purge which will completely shut down RD backplane spammers.

Oh, you don't want to slot Purge because you are stamina? Well tough, my magicka Templar has to block or roll dodge those WB spammers, sucking my stamina dry in no time.

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

This. i forget how many but on the other thread someone listed 19 counters or some crap. but that would require ruining their precious OP dps builds. lol

They keep posting these videos Alcast, Bella, etc. I wish i had the motivation. I would make a video showing the other person using one of the 19 counters, and wrecking the templar.

But no! Focus on the tt value and the target standing still!

How about you have some with executioner spam that while someone spams RD. Counters authorized.

Lets see who will win. Bit no that would be a fair test and wouldnt confirm thier biased opinions!

frozywozy · March 2016

Darnathian wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I like how people are incredulous that they may have to slot a specific skill in order to counter RD. A skill like purge which will completely shut down RD backplane spammers.

Oh, you don't want to slot Purge because you are stamina? Well tough, my magicka Templar has to block or roll dodge those WB spammers, sucking my stamina dry in no time.

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

This. i forget how many but on the other thread someone listed 19 counters or some crap. but that would require ruining their precious OP dps builds. lol

They keep posting these videos Alcast, Bella, etc. I wish i had the motivation. I would make a video showing the other person using one of the 19 counters, and wrecking the templar.

But no! Focus on the tt value and the target standing still!

How about you have some with executioner spam that while someone spams RD. Counters authorized.

Lets see who will win. Bit no that would be a fair test and wouldnt confirm thier biased opinions!

Yes please, make a video using one of the 19 counters against magicka templars hiding behind teammates while u're trying to get in melee combat as a stam class who cannot stack shields or spell resistances high enough to survive.

Darnathian · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I like how people are incredulous that they may have to slot a specific skill in order to counter RD. A skill like purge which will completely shut down RD backplane spammers.

Oh, you don't want to slot Purge because you are stamina? Well tough, my magicka Templar has to block or roll dodge those WB spammers, sucking my stamina dry in no time.

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

This. i forget how many but on the other thread someone listed 19 counters or some crap. but that would require ruining their precious OP dps builds. lol

They keep posting these videos Alcast, Bella, etc. I wish i had the motivation. I would make a video showing the other person using one of the 19 counters, and wrecking the templar.

But no! Focus on the tt value and the target standing still!

How about you have some with executioner spam that while someone spams RD. Counters authorized.

Lets see who will win. Bit no that would be a fair test and wouldnt confirm thier biased opinions!

Yes please, make a video using one of the 19 counters against magicka templars hiding behind teammates while u're trying to get in melee combat as a stam class who cannot stack shields or spell resistances high enough to survive.

Dont need to. thats not the argument. I was referring to these silly videos they made that proove nothing.

If you dont have spell resistance high enough chante your cps or armor. lol.

I am sorry those cheese stam dk builds have counters now. i dont know what to tell you. I have a imperial stam dk too. She does just fine.

if you want to argue about major fights then hmm. let me think. How about your ranged users target their ranged users.

As previously stated by others to you there shouldnt be one build that is superior to all others.

And also your last statement is ludicrous. You can srack shields against them. Igneous, which is weak i agree, and harness magicka, which is OP as heck this partch. Frankly anyone not running Harness in this patch is nuts.

Joy_Division · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I like how people are incredulous that they may have to slot a specific skill in order to counter RD. A skill like purge which will completely shut down RD backplane spammers.

Oh, you don't want to slot Purge because you are stamina? Well tough, my magicka Templar has to block or roll dodge those WB spammers, sucking my stamina dry in no time.

Good for the goose, good for the gander.

This. i forget how many but on the other thread someone listed 19 counters or some crap. but that would require ruining their precious OP dps builds. lol

They keep posting these videos Alcast, Bella, etc. I wish i had the motivation. I would make a video showing the other person using one of the 19 counters, and wrecking the templar.

But no! Focus on the tt value and the target standing still!

How about you have some with executioner spam that while someone spams RD. Counters authorized.

Lets see who will win. Bit no that would be a fair test and wouldnt confirm thier biased opinions!

Yes please, make a video using one of the 19 counters against magicka templars hiding behind teammates while u're trying to get in melee combat as a stam class who cannot stack shields or spell resistances high enough to survive.

Frozn, this happens to me every night. All I usually do is hit harness magicka. Problem solved. On my templar, I will occasionally use Purifying Ritual if other stuff is hitting me. When I'm feeling really adventurous, I will use toppling charge. If I am not on my templar and facing the attacker, I will use crushing shock. If instead I am trying to run away from the templar, I will use igneous/healing ward or Hardened depending on which class I am on.

You're a stam DK. Instead of worrying about countering Jesus Beams, just play like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sotMe9gG8pc - you will then have the ability to one-shot a Jesus Beaming templar, all by yourself, and preemptively kill them ... using ways that have less means to counter than RD.

Bofrari · March 2016

If your dying to a beam it's a L2P issue.

Lyar09 · March 2016

JDC1985 wrote: »

If your dying to a beam it's a L2P issue.

you should learn grammar before calling out a "L2P" issue bud