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  • Kippesnikke
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    I never said u have to stack a huge amount of armor. I said i wouldnt use engines guardian because u need to control your resources. Then u come with arguments about healers buffing u in trials while we are discussing trial tanking here. Post a video about 3 dk's and that u need guardians for that. U know what. Tonight ill make a video from 3 dk's doing that same boss without engines because its not extreemly difficult. It is easy af.
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  • Nifty2g
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    I never said u have to stack a huge amount of armor. I said i wouldnt use engines guardian because u need to control your resources. Then u come with arguments about healers buffing u in trials while we are discussing trial tanking here. Post a video about 3 dk's and that u need guardians for that. U know what. Tonight ill make a video from 3 dk's doing that same boss without engines because its not extreemly difficult. It is easy af.
    I can do that too, robot is just free resources, theres no handbook on tanking for eso and you sure as hell didn't write one to decide what is and what isn't needed for a tank.
    Why would you pass up free resources is the question, also not only was that video posted pretty long ago, but I'll show you one without engine? give me a sec

    Like I said earlier, what exactly is your point for the argument? That tanks shouldn't use engine guardian? What should they use instead, bloodspawn?
    Is this a rule, why give up free resources for extra mitigation you really don't need
    Edited by Nifty2g on March 18, 2016 12:50PM
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  • Kippesnikke
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    Bloodspawn gives ulty regen. Wich means more warhorns. Wich means more dps. Wich means better scores.
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  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    Dubhliam wrote: »
    Baconfat79 wrote: »
    Regardless of how effective this ends up being, I'm just thrilled to see someone thinking outside the box and using a non-cookie-cutter build for serious endgame content. I feel like that is so rare in this game. Mad props, OP. I like your style.

    Now if only Engine Guardian had a replacement, but it is just too good.

    I am running EG for so long I got bored of it.
    Am hoping I can get an infused HA Bloospawn helm, want to blow the Horn 24/7 with my DK.

    I run Malubeth on my magicka NB tank. Love it for 4-man content, and have used it in Trials without problem.
    Edited by ThatNeonZebraAgain on March 18, 2016 1:26PM
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  • Personofsecrets
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    Who shoukd wear worm depends, but in general I think that healers get more value from their jewelry than tanks get from their jewelry. What else is the tank goint to run? Footman, unassailable, willpower, agility? None of that matters much to the tank, but, to the contrary, worm cam be very impactful.
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  • Personofsecrets
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    If or not bloodspawb generates even a single ultimate depends on how long a fight lasts.
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  • Personofsecrets
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    Additionally, the ultimate has to be used right away or bloodspawn starts to get wasted. It is not always opportune to use war horn right away and that is especially so if a group is already using a war horn rotation.
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  • DHale
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    Wow if that was all vr 16 that would be a great tanking set nice find.
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  • Personofsecrets
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    Level 49 is fine
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  • hrothbern
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    Who shoukd wear worm depends, but in general I think that healers get more value from their jewelry than tanks get from their jewelry. What else is the tank goint to run? Footman, unassailable, willpower, agility? None of that matters much to the tank, but, to the contrary, worm cam be very impactful.

    yeah
    For a Magicka tank the 2k Stamina from Footman is almost a full waste.
    For a NB Magicka Tank even more while Caltrops is not proccing SA anymore.

    Edited by hrothbern on March 18, 2016 3:02PM
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  • TotterTates
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    @Personofsecrets you around tonight? I'm interested to see this build in action.
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  • Personofsecrets
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    @Personofsecrets you around tonight? I'm interested to see this build in action.

    I will be. Sending you a pm.
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  • Personofsecrets
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    @Personofsecrets you around tonight? I'm interested to see this build in action.

    Well, i cant figure out pm while on mobile. Im visiting family this weekend and will get on eso, but do not have certainty about the internet connection where I am visiting and especially so because of bad weather that is forcasted.

    Anyhow, make room on your eso friends list, ill add you after work, and youll see when i log on tonight. Catch you later.
    Edited by Personofsecrets on March 18, 2016 4:22PM
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  • Bfish22090
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    Akatosh’s Blessed Armor: Fixed an issue where the blind debuff applied by this item set could be used on certain boss monsters.
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  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    Bfish22090 wrote: »
    Akatosh’s Blessed Armor: Fixed an issue where the blind debuff applied by this item set could be used on certain boss monsters.
    :(

    I just saw that. Honestly I knew it was coming, the set was too powerful in the context of Trials. But at least we all know that ZOS does read most threads in the forums, and can act upon them quickly when they want to....

    The patch note does some certain boss monsters. I wonder if the set still works on some bosses, just not Trials ones?
    Edited by ThatNeonZebraAgain on March 21, 2016 2:04PM
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  • Inarre
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    Rip thread. The patch notes today indicate they fixed akatosh's blessing from working with bosses.
  • code65536
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    LOL. They sure are quick to patch this. Meanwhile, Kena still procs off of light weaves...
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  • willymchilybily
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    That's a pitty. They create all these lovely sets to facilitate tanking outside the box then panic as soon as anyone tries to do so.
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  • Woeler
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    Engine Guardian is such a selfish set, not even trial worthy at all. And you're not going to wear level 49 armor that relies on a bug in VMoL, especially not at the endboss.
    This may be the baddest build that any tank has ever used.

    Please...
    Baconfat79 wrote: »
    Regardless of how effective this ends up being, I'm just thrilled to see someone thinking outside the box and using a non-cookie-cutter build for serious endgame content. I feel like that is so rare in this game. Mad props, OP. I like your style.

    Now if only Engine Guardian had a replacement, but it is just too good.

    Lord Warden > Engine Guardian, especially in trials were people stack like crazy.

    @Kippesnikke You are completely right. I have also tanked Sanctum Hardmode with 6 people, 9 minute fight without engine guardian. Have actually NEVER used that set after the first month of patch 1.6. Same for all the other trials, and currently VMoL. Engine Guardian is a selfish set and if you know how to manage your resources you do not need it at all. The old two trials can even be tanked in medium armor. Engine guardian is overrated, selfish and if you know how to resource-manage you don't need it at all.

    I find this build weird because it tries to be a group player by using worm cult, but at the same time it uses engine guardian.
    Edited by Woeler on March 21, 2016 3:08PM
  • hedna123b14_ESO
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    Lol...no fixes for major bugs, but when someone come sup with a cool new idea for tanking its fixed in less than a week....
  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    I recently leveled my tank and am still getting him situated. So, if I may, what is the best trials configuration for a tank in terms of team buffs and survive-ability. I would love some insight to a good trials tank build
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  • Woeler
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    I recently leveled my tank and am still getting him situated. So, if I may, what is the best trials configuration for a tank in terms of team buffs and survive-ability. I would love some insight to a good trials tank build

    2-piece set
    Lord Warden

    Choose from the following 5-piece sets (you can wear 2 at a time)
    4 Pariah + master sword (Has jewellery)
    Hist Bark (Has no jewellery)
    Worm Cult (S+B and jewellery)
    Lunar Bastion (still needs testing) (Has jewellery)
    Footman (V14, but still quite ok in gold) (Has jewellery)

    5-piece sets I would personally not use but could be funny:
    Ebon Armoury (Has jewellery)
    Armour Master (Has no jewellery)
    Edited by Woeler on March 21, 2016 4:39PM
  • Personofsecrets
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    Its okay. Everyone will recognize this "fix" as not just a failure in that it shows how pathetic the game development is with regards to tanking, but, more importantly, the general failure that the developers have in their confused priorities and usual failure at communication.

    People laughed when I tried keeping the unassailable set as a secret and now everyone should know that I was justified and that the developers vision for how we play is essentially canned, like a bad joke. There is little excuse for pressing concerns to be ignored while minor issues, if they are even issues at all, are tinkered with.

    Grind spots nerfed, certain trial item drop rates nerfed, and jump height lowered again and again, but an allmighty diety itself must be tying back the developers hands when it comes to fixing the too high or too low bug over the past 10 months or so.
    Edited by Personofsecrets on March 22, 2016 10:24PM
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  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    Woeler wrote: »
    I recently leveled my tank and am still getting him situated. So, if I may, what is the best trials configuration for a tank in terms of team buffs and survive-ability. I would love some insight to a good trials tank build

    2-piece set
    Lord Warden

    Choose from the following 5-piece sets (you can wear 2 at a time)
    4 Pariah + master sword (Has jewellery)
    Hist Bark (Has no jewellery)
    Worm Cult (S+B and jewellery)
    Lunar Bastion (still needs testing) (Has jewellery)
    Footman (V14, but still quite ok in gold) (Has jewellery)

    5-piece sets I would personally not use but could be funny:
    Ebon Armoury (Has jewellery)
    Armour Master (Has no jewellery)

    What about Lord Warden vs Blood Spawn? Lord Warden nice team buff vs Blood Spawn quicker ult for Warhorn

    Also, are you saying that Worm Cult now has weapons (S&B) and jewelry? I thought it was only light armor body
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  • Kyoma
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    Woeler wrote: »
    I recently leveled my tank and am still getting him situated. So, if I may, what is the best trials configuration for a tank in terms of team buffs and survive-ability. I would love some insight to a good trials tank build

    2-piece set
    Lord Warden

    Choose from the following 5-piece sets (you can wear 2 at a time)
    4 Pariah + master sword (Has jewellery)
    Hist Bark (Has no jewellery)
    Worm Cult (S+B and jewellery)
    Lunar Bastion (still needs testing) (Has jewellery)
    Footman (V14, but still quite ok in gold) (Has jewellery)

    5-piece sets I would personally not use but could be funny:
    Ebon Armoury (Has jewellery)
    Armour Master (Has no jewellery)

    What about Lord Warden vs Blood Spawn? Lord Warden nice team buff vs Blood Spawn quicker ult for Warhorn

    Also, are you saying that Worm Cult now has weapons (S&B) and jewelry? I thought it was only light armor body
    Yes, Worm Cult now drop in the new trial (even on normal) and all pieces are available (but the jewelry only drops from the last boss). Armor traits are also random in there.

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  • Stump
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    Play as you (they) want
  • Oompuh
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    That's a shame. Looked like a really interesting set up.

    As for Me, I can't wait to try Tava's tomorow (Xbox Player) and see how that works. WAR HORNS EVERYWHERE
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  • Paulington
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    So dont come with the second boss of a casual white gold tower and say how essential engines guardian is.
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    Edited by Paulington on March 21, 2016 5:27PM
  • Woeler
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    Kyoma wrote: »
    Woeler wrote: »
    I recently leveled my tank and am still getting him situated. So, if I may, what is the best trials configuration for a tank in terms of team buffs and survive-ability. I would love some insight to a good trials tank build

    2-piece set
    Lord Warden

    Choose from the following 5-piece sets (you can wear 2 at a time)
    4 Pariah + master sword (Has jewellery)
    Hist Bark (Has no jewellery)
    Worm Cult (S+B and jewellery)
    Lunar Bastion (still needs testing) (Has jewellery)
    Footman (V14, but still quite ok in gold) (Has jewellery)

    5-piece sets I would personally not use but could be funny:
    Ebon Armoury (Has jewellery)
    Armour Master (Has no jewellery)

    What about Lord Warden vs Blood Spawn? Lord Warden nice team buff vs Blood Spawn quicker ult for Warhorn

    Also, are you saying that Worm Cult now has weapons (S&B) and jewelry? I thought it was only light armor body
    Yes, Worm Cult now drop in the new trial (even on normal) and all pieces are available (but the jewelry only drops from the last boss). Armor traits are also random in there.

    Random as in Divines/Infused/Reinforced
    Edited by Woeler on March 21, 2016 5:29PM
  • HeroOfNone
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    Shuffle with major evasion still gives a crap ton of dodge, even again st a lot of boss monsters, so you can still have your dodge, just not at as high of an RNG (but still pretty high)

    As for helms, I never bothered with engine guardian since my regens were normally 1k+. Normally I would use blood spawn for most tanking, warden looked nice but I can upy armor mitigation up to 40k+ if I wanted to, and if I were doing a damage tank I'd do kena shoulders + blood spawn for weapon and stamina regen.

    As for mitigation, I seem to remember Rich or someone else say they didn't want un blocked mitigation to ever go above 50%. I'm unsure if they added in a cap or just restrict the combos of armor and abilities, but the supposed "roof" I've heard has been 32k mitigation. Anything above that doesn't seem to reduce as much.
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