If ZOS ever decide to add more abilities in the future I got one suggestion.

Daedric Gift - heal one friendly target at a time for 3 seconds then target dose explosive damage.
Morph
Daedric Blessing - increase healing time to 5 seconds
Bonus Gift - heal 2 friendly targets at the same time

Erraln wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

... they need to have the unmitigated overflow damage bug fixed so that it is worth is to use a shield that is less than 8k.

That behavior was corrected with IC.

So long as our crit resistance and armor gets implicated with shields at the same time they're made crittable, I don't think I would argue, personally. What I wouldn't want to see is one half of that without the other, with a promise of it being completed with the next update.

If shields were crittable yet received armor/spell/impen resistance, it would be a massive buff. I wouldnt complain at all.

Hardened Ward is all we have. This isn't exaggeration. It has to be strong.

Here is the thing though. Almost all of us already have 100 bastion and shields don't scale anywhere near as much as they used to with max magicka due to battle spirit. Our shields are as strong as theyre ever going to be, while average weapon damage, spell damage, and CP keep increasing every patch.

Now they take dots from everything. Now there is a 25% increased damage vs shields star. Now there is shieldbreaker. A well timed wrecking blow >> dragon leap >> executioner will already obliterate us with a full ward. We don't need anymore hardened ward nerfs.

Hardened Ward has already been nerfed many times, yet the QQ wont end until we are being two shotted all over Cyrodiil. Remove stacking if required, but please keep in mind that Hardened Ward must remain strong for the stability of the class.

A few things I wish summoned pets were viable in end game content I would love to run an all out summons build both Deadric pets the Deadroth summon from the Banished Cells monster set and the Storm Atronoch but pets are so weak.

Secondly Sorcs need a spamable class skill that has a stam and magicka morph to it

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

... they need to have the unmitigated overflow damage bug fixed so that it is worth is to use a shield that is less than 8k.

That behavior was corrected with IC.

So long as our crit resistance and armor gets implicated with shields at the same time they're made crittable, I don't think I would argue, personally. What I wouldn't want to see is one half of that without the other, with a promise of it being completed with the next update.

If shields were crittable yet received armor/spell/impen resistance, it would be a massive buff. I wouldnt complain at all.

Hardened Ward is all we have. This isn't exaggeration. It has to be strong.

Here is the thing though. Almost all of us already have 100 bastion and shields don't scale anywhere near as much as they used to with max magicka due to battle spirit. Our shields are as strong as theyre ever going to be, while average weapon damage, spell damage, and CP keep increasing every patch.

Now they take dots from everything. Now there is a 25% increased damage vs shields star. Now there is shieldbreaker. A well timed wrecking blow >> dragon leap >> executioner will already obliterate us with a full ward. We don't need anymore hardened ward nerfs.

Hardened Ward has already been nerfed many times, yet the QQ wont end until we are being two shotted all over Cyrodiil. Remove stacking if required, but please keep in mind that Hardened Ward must remain strong for the stability of the class.

When there is no resource issue there has something to be done. I was hoping they would change it in a more heavy handed cast of Hardened Ward so you cannot spam it all day long...but it seems they are going the wrong way by making it less appealing....

The solution is: Fix unlimited resources.

Hopefully @ZOS can tell that people aren't happy and do something about it. After a lot of testing on PTS and also trying to put myself in the shoes of ZOS, this is my list for what I believe are the best and necessary changes. This isn't my ideal wishlist for my preferred playstyle (if it was it would include a direct dmg stamina attack), but instead what I think ZOS envisions the class being.

1. Pets need to persist through weapon swaps even if only one bar. Give them a 60s duration.
-Allow CP to affect pets
-Please fix the pet in stealth issue

2. Clannfear's dmg needs to scale from stamina, yet still cost magicka.
-Increase its damage and speed and capabilities so that it is viable for stamina DPS and PVP
-Allow clannfear to be summoned in stealth

If ZOS truly wants us to be the summoning class (seems like they do based on what they change), a stam sorc needs this clannfear to be deadly in PVP. I'm talking charge attacks, snares, high dmg. Right now it is way too easy to just kite an AI controlled Clannfear so that it barely hits you.

3. Overload (and all ultimates for all classes for that matter) need to use the CPs for whatever stat they are scaling by. No reason for a stamina/weapon power fueled Overload to using magicka dmg CPs.

The Sorc class as a whole is very unbalanced. It has parts that are really really weak (Daedric summoning) and parts that are very very strong (Storm Calling) with a plethora of terrible skills.

Sorc only has a small set of skills that are really good (Mines, Endless Fury, Streak, Frags, Curse and Ward) Everything else is PVE related, situational, or just stinks.

I also do think Hardened Ward can be a bit over the top. I have 25k Health in PVP, and can add another 17-20k in Shields...in other words for other magic builds you have to get though 40k health to kill me and thats just ridiculous.

This is even more apparent when you have played other classes besides a Sorc...

if you don't have any other end game toons besides a Sorc you have no idea what your talking about... Try fighting your Sorc build with another class and then lets revisit this discussion.

try fighting a Shield Stacking Sorc with a Destro/Resto Light Armored Templar and actually win and then come back and tell me Sorc's are not broken...you have to play out of your stinking mind to win(I have won quite a few of them too) where as the Sorc can mess up multiple times yet still win. The Sorc can be a flatout worse player and still win because of it.

Look Sorc is my favorite class in the game. Of Course i want Magic Sorc's to be viable, I will not however defend things that are clearly broken...I get no enjoyment out of winning due to something as unbalanced as stack spamming shields.

They need to:

1. Un-Nerf Bolt Escape - Remove the cost increase, give Streak back its Disorient(instead of a stun so it goes through block) make Ball of Lighting Blass last 3.5 secs.

2.Remove Ward's 33% value and replace it with something else.(Minor Intelect, Minor Endurance, Minor Fortitude for 30 secs) Yes Sorcs will still have a shield.

Give Sorc's back their mobility!

Sorc's should be the most mobile class in the game, they should hit like trucks BUT they should also be "very squishy" If someone gets close with a Blade or you take an arrow in the back, thats the weakness.

The Sorc class should rely on positioning and dealing out burst damage, not face tanking more damage then a heavy armor user due to Shield Spam.

I don't play my Sorc as much in PVP anymore because it simply don't feel fair. My Magic Templar is far more of a challenge, and my Magic DK i just finished last night after 2 months of questing and such (I know full time job and family gets in the way of my playtime) will be much more satisfying.

Its far far easier to kill and survive on my Sorc then it is on a DK or a Templar. I don't do Jabs spam, I find it boring i use destro resto and make use of other parts of the Templar.

I rolled a Sorc because i wanted to be the classic TES mage/caster with high mobility, high damage, and very squishy relying on positioning to put myself in the best place to be successful, and the class was that until 1.5.

Today the class has devolved into a turret class.

1.Stand in Daedric Mines
2.Spam Crushing Shock and Overload
3.Spam stack Shields
4.Face Tank damage until zerged
5.Rinse and repeat


Gone are the days where i was squishy and could zip around the Battle Field with Streak and Boundless Storm while also being very squishy and unloading on people, living on a shoe string knowing im 1 Lethal Arrow from being dead....nope...the Squishy highly mobile mage caster class of TES in ESO is dead in favor of a boring turret class that spams lighting and stands in Mines, its really the most boring class in the game now...heaven forbid you Bolt to Reposition or use Streak as an offensive tool, your penalized for being mobile, but its perfectly fine to just face tank and eat damage spamming Wards.

I do apologize, but 1.6 and the CS and the nerfs to Sorc killed the mage caster in ESO IMO...the mage caster i feel in love with, the caster from TES, the reason i rolled the class to begin with is for all intents and purposes dead... just camp Mines like a turret and spam damage skill of your choice, oh and Bolt Escape cost penalty and Gap Closers putting insane stuns or stupid high snares on you just renders the game zerg zerg.

just my 2 cents, but why would i play Sorc now when the class literally does nothing it did on launch, its no longer mobile which is what sold me on the class, its no longer a highly mobile squishy caster that hits like a truck...instead it camps mines and face tanks damage with sheild spam with most of its mobility nerfed into the ground.

The Sorc is the prime example of how ZOS lost its way in 1.6 and forward...i'd trade my left arm for 1.5 or earlier and "That Sorc" the Sorc i fell in love with died after 1.6....it no longer does any of the things that made me want to roll the class to begin with, its left nothing but regets.

I didn't do the grueling vet grind for a Templar and a DK for nothing...but when your class does nothing it did when you rolled it and its no longer really fun because you can't do any of the stuff that made you think the class was fun, whats the point in playing it?

If pets auto broke free after 4 seconds of cc and gained immunity for 8 seconds. If they had battlespirit(take 50% less dmg and had +5k health) and gained offence/defence based on owners champion points and not needing 2 slots (1 slot and a grace period if you switch bar so you can switch back in time so it dont get unsummoned)

These are things that are nessesary for pets in pvp.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Sorc only has a small set of skills that are really good (Mines, Endless Fury, Streak, Frags, Curse and Ward) Everything else is PVE related, situational, or just stinks.

I would argue that Fury is a terrible PvP skill. It's buggy and slow. Sometimes it will not hit your target for unknown reasons. Sometimes it is delayed or wont work at all even if it does hit. It has the lowest range of any execute, and the worst damage. It has a really slow and cumbersome animation, making it really painful to weave. A procced Frag will always do more damage than Fury in execute range. About the only place I would slot it is in PvE for boss execute phases.

Pets will either be OP or useless...very hard to get them balanced right.

olsborg wrote: »

If pets auto broke free after 4 seconds of cc and gained immunity for 8 seconds. If they had battlespirit(take 50% less dmg and had +5k health) and gained offence/defence based on owners champion points and not needing 2 slots (1 slot and a grace period if you switch bar so you can switch back in time so it dont get unsummoned)

These are things that are nessesary for pets in pvp.

The fundamental combat mechanics of this game (positioning, LOS, mobility, burst, blocking, dodge rolling, limited skill slots, etc.) do not provide an environment where pets will ever viable.

You would have to nearly buff them into god tier before they would even be plausible for top level PvP.

Jar_Ek wrote: »

Dyride wrote: »

If DKs are naturally "tanky," Nightblades are "stealthy" then the defining principle in my opinion for Sorcerers was mobility i.e. Bolt Escape, Boundless Storm.

Giving a snare purge + 2 sec immunity to snares for Thundering Presence could be a nice buff.

The speed and minor AOE balance against the better mitigation found in Shuffle which gives 20% flat dodge chance (stronger than Major Ward/Resist which is 8% mitigation imo).

When I think of sorcerers, I don't think mobility although that is certainly an important attribute of them, I think battlefield control. Thus they have both personal mobility (lightning form morphs and streak), the ability to limit opponents mobility (encase, crystal shard, streak, rune prison, daedric mines), a tank pet (solo taunt), and area denial (lightning splash, daedric mines, storm atronach and negate).

Unfortunately stamina sorcerers only have the mobility element available (some area denial with ultimate use), mostly due to the magicka costs (and scaling to a lesser extent).

Being able to cast an effective daedric mines or encase or crystal shard would be a potential game changer for us... but the key word is effective - so both affordable and scaled appropriately (in terms of resource, weapon power and damage type).

Oh and one final thing. I see no problem with daedric magicka (for some morphs( causing poison or disease damage as it is essentially alien to nirn.

That would be great, but between the CC immunity and the sheer bugginess of encase, the only really useful CC is mines.

Xeven wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

... they need to have the unmitigated overflow damage bug fixed so that it is worth is to use a shield that is less than 8k.

That behavior was corrected with IC.

So long as our crit resistance and armor gets implicated with shields at the same time they're made crittable, I don't think I would argue, personally. What I wouldn't want to see is one half of that without the other, with a promise of it being completed with the next update.

If shields were crittable yet received armor/spell/impen resistance, it would be a massive buff. I wouldnt complain at all.

Hardened Ward is all we have. This isn't exaggeration. It has to be strong.

Here is the thing though. Almost all of us already have 100 bastion and shields don't scale anywhere near as much as they used to with max magicka due to battle spirit. Our shields are as strong as theyre ever going to be, while average weapon damage, spell damage, and CP keep increasing every patch.

Now they take dots from everything. Now there is a 25% increased damage vs shields star. Now there is shieldbreaker. A well timed wrecking blow >> dragon leap >> executioner will already obliterate us with a full ward. We don't need anymore hardened ward nerfs.

Hardened Ward has already been nerfed many times, yet the QQ wont end until we are being two shotted all over Cyrodiil. Remove stacking if required, but please keep in mind that Hardened Ward must remain strong for the stability of the class.

Don't think for a second hardened ward won't get nerfed in the future. Every good defensive skill got this treatment.

Scales
Blazing shield
Cloak (+ magelight / mark target changes)

It's ZOS way of doing small changes

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Magicka sorc think they got nerfed - then you look at stam sorcs going into this patch weaker than them already and only having to face hardy on all damage with 0 ult options still scaling.


If you call yourself a sorc you will make note of stam sorcs whenever complaining!

I do. I don't want to be OP either believe me, but when I look around at the reverberating monster stam DKs, the face rolling werewolves, and my 15k procced frag tooltip applying 4k actual damage in this high cp/spell/crit resist meta, I start to get a little worried. One small adjustment could turn us ALL into stam sorcs. I feel like were right on the edge.

It's not all hardened wards and roses for us either. I explode just like you do when focused by more than one good person in this high damage environment.

We mag sorcs most certainly have it better, I wont deny that... for now.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Not that I think ZoS will do anything, but my feedback:

How boring it is to be a sorcerer who doesn't use pets. I am going to run the exact same build with the exact same skills using the exact same rotation. Wasn't this patch supposed to, I don't know, get us excited about trying something new?

More specifically:

• I like the change to daedric tomb.
• Crystal blast: All of the morphs in the game that "token AoE damage" are bad because they are competing against "really good single target effect."
• Right now on Live I can drop 2 Storm Atronachs. I'd still rather use meteor or Overload as my ultimate.
• I still think the Bound Armaments toggle that serves no purpose except to add damage and make all my skills strong is bad design. At least have this skill do something interesting to give me this power.
• I am guessing it is intentional design that sorcerers get no access to insta-cast DPS of any sort, single target or AoE. Perhaps that is for the best as sorcerers do fine without it. I still think you got to give stamina sorcs something that makes them more than a wrecking blow spammer that uses streak.
• I still find it boring and overly restrictive that have to Overload spam/toggle to field a competitive DPS. This is not a call to make pets better. But a request for other ways to be a "wizard" or "battlemage".

As for the pet changes. I know you put a lot of effort into making these appealing and give us options. Heck, I might even use the healing twilight for dungeons because it's probably just as good as breath of life (not sure that is a good thing though). But...

• The clannfear is a slow, cumbersome thing that doesn't do much damage or inconvenience the enemy.
• The familiar is probably better and a bit more versatile, though the on-demand explosion/stun was very useful.
• The scaling of damage/effectiveness to magicka really limits the usability of these. Stamina players are shut out and spellpower bonus are kind of wasted.
• I would be much more inclined to give these a try if there was a non-toggled 20 second duration summon that was not tied to gear/specific morphs to be effective.

Good post here, can support it all. Specially the part that I bolded. If they insist on having summons for sorcs, they rly need to change the game completely so they become viable for pvp. Right now, nothing support the need for 2 slots for them to be at all effective, I say effective as in not completely useless, but they are far from effective compared to other choises for sorc build. Also, I still find Negate Magic to be greatly useless in pvp.

They have to be immortal timed summons like the NB Shades are.

It is the ONLY way they will ever see PvP combat.