Healers, what's the most frustrating thing(s) you go through with every group?

yake82 · December 2015

Maybe my post was easily misunderstood. What i meant that ive seen healers who come in full dps gear/spec and simply slot BoL somewhere in the corner of the skill bar and call themselves healers. Then ask party to rely more on their personal shields.

Personally i dish out contantly shards/ele drains and repentence. All this without anyone asking.
And yes theres that vampire bane for the 5% spell dmg.

IMHO: Never mix roles in PUGs, just do you own role.

PBpsy · December 2015

SmalltalkJava wrote: »

Reminder to you awesome healers. Please give us advice. Some of us haven't played healers. So please speak up with tips!

in dungeons? No.We will not because people will whine that we are elitist snips and stuff. The same reason I don't give advice to crap healers&tanks when I dps. We will just have our fun on this thread.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · December 2015

People that stand in stupid or the occasional times that my bars freeze and I can't swap for a second or two. Healing itself just isnt that hard in this game. Outside of trials, you do not need a dedicated healer. I am of the mindset that when I "heal" I am doing 90% DPS and 5% heals and 5% buffs. The correct amount of healing is just enough so nobody dies. Everything on top of that is DPS that you didn't do. So the difficulty comes from knowing when to DPS and when to heal. That's what makes "healing" challenging and fun.

baratron · December 2015

me_ming wrote: »

To answer the OP, what annoys me as a healer, is not much about people standing in read circles, or low dps, or tanks not taunting, it's when people tell you "Where's the heal?" and blame you for their deaths, when there is no amount of healing anyone can do to help save their lives because they are not avoiding damage in the first place.

So much truth.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

DD players are the biggest cause of team issues when comes to vet groups.

Those who donot have at least 15000hp
Many running with less than 10000

Those who try to fight with bow only claiming is enough and at v16 have only specced bow

Totally agree, especially about the Bow part. Though I haven't seen DPS with less than 10k HP? I'm not even sure how that's possible.

Fruitmass wrote: »

Also, when no one else will take a second to revive a dead party member. I may be the healer but there are times I can't stop healing or we're all going to die. Do me the favor aye?

Or the converse of that, when we're in a DPS race and the guy who does 15k+ single-target DPS decides to rez the dead party member rather than letting me do it - when I can only do about 8k single-target DPS with a Healer build and am wearing Kagrenac's Hope armour so can rez 25% faster than anyone else!

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Most problems in my experience have come from people who seem to think 'well I'm not a tank, I'm not a healer, therefore I must be a DPS' without really putting thought into their build to max their role, something that most tanks/healers tend to do (generalising I know)

This

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me_ming · December 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Lithium Flower wrote: »

Don't fail.

Agreeed with the whole rest of this thread - except this SMARM put me off entirely.

lol.

That's NOT the only thing he said, and honestly, I don't think he addressed it only to healers, but every role.

FYI, the OP IS is about healer's frustration with groups. What did you expect?! If you don't like to hear people's frustrations then don't read. You must be one of those guys that just blames the healer, if so I certainly hope you don't play in PC NA.

Curragraigue · December 2015

I treat heals role as heals/support. Usually after the first fight in a PUG I can work out who needs more heals, how much resource support will be required and what type of resources are required and whether DPS executes are required. I disagree with people saying heals shouldn't ever DPS.

I always am weaving heavy staff attacks in for magicka. If the boss has a regeneration mechanic then sometimes if the DPS isn't high they need as much help as they can get so I'll drop a Nova or A Dawn's Wrath skill to help. Temp's execute is one of the best executes. If there are no other Temps and no one is using an execute (which I can never understand) then if it is safe to do so I'll throw a HoT heal and then do radiant destruction. A quick dungeon run is a good dungeon run.

UrQuan · December 2015

willymchilybily wrote: »

for a slightly different take on the topic, for me from a tanks point of view i can tell the good healers from the bad.

Good
Has the heal ready after the bosses big hit that even with blocking can hurt, (most healers that do this have normally tanked or are experienced)

if mechanics disables heals for a short time they let me know so i can be prepared to waste a bit more stam/mag/pot than usual to survive

doesn't pick up a dead DPS during the fight (at least without saying so) just because they can do it quicker, when the boss is at a high damage phase.

focuses on sustain and regen sets

Bad
Uses radiant destruction/execute on boss during fights that still require good heals

runs away from group if mob is agro'd to them.

doesn't know boss mechanics/when healing is likely to be needed.

uses rite of passage/healing ult in a bad spot, on a fight that requires moving. easiest to see on engine guardian etc.

focuses giant mag/SD heals that go far beyond what the group needs, but burns out quickly.

As someone who does quite a bit of tanking and quite a bit of healing, I agree with you on every point.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

*ANYONE WHO USES FPS INSTEAD OF ZOOMING OUT AND WATCHING YOUR STEPS IN A DUNGEON!
*People who seem to think I joke, when I ask them if they are red/green colorblind, when they repeatedly completely ignore standing in red circles, and claim they never stood in anything. Only one guy actually responded serious to that, because he was aware that he was red/green colorblind. It kinda makes it easier for me to expect him not to see any danger circles, and put out hots beforehand, than if he never told me and instead let me think he was brainless.

Heh, so of my real life friends who play ESO, one of them always plays in first person 100% of the time, and one of them is red-green colourblind.

I don't know how he does it, but the one who plays in first person actually has pretty damn good situational awareness, and pretty much always gets out of AOEs, knows which mobs are where, etc. I can't do that at all in first person.

The one who is colourblind never knows if he's standing in red - we have to tell him.

UrQuan · December 2015

PBpsy wrote: »

SmalltalkJava wrote: »

Reminder to you awesome healers. Please give us advice. Some of us haven't played healers. So please speak up with tips!

in dungeons? No.We will not because people will whine that we are elitist snips and stuff. The same reason I don't give advice to crap healers&tanks when I dps. We will just have our fun on this thread.

I always give people tips if I feel they'll be helpful. I've never once had anyone whine about it. Conversely, I'm always happy to receive tips. I've played this game a lot, but that doesn't mean I know everything or that I can't improve. When you get down to it, I'm a casual who plays a lot, not a hard-core, so I know I'm not elite and I can always learn something new here and there.

KingYogi415 · December 2015

me_ming wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

having a dragon knight dps.

DK has to be worst class right now.

I have seen some stamplars put out massive damage.

squishy nightblades.

people who refuse to join group chat (ps4) you need to at least listen for bosses

I cant stand getting rolled over by some stupid warlock in pvp. just why cant templars win anything in pvp.

templars need a dps buff and maybe a heal nerf to balance.

self sustain people! me doing no dps because i have to spam BOL the whole raid is boring AF.

GET VIGOR YOU NIGHTBLADES

I ran with someone in a DPS magicka DK in vCoA just recently, we did it under 20minutes, because of that magicka DK. The only death we had was because of me (the healer), when we skipped the ads at the beginning of the pledge and we had to jump to that waterfall. Other than that he (and the other dps) killed the bosses even before they can do anything-- Valkyn Skoria can't even complete his dialogues. lol.

I'm well aware that DKs aren't the strongest DPS class, not to mention they have been nerfed badly this time, but in capable hands, I'd say DKs are awesome.

To answer the OP, what annoys me as a healer, is not much about people standing in read circles, or low dps, or tanks not taunting, it's when people tell you "Where's the heal?" and blame you for their deaths, when there is no amount of healing anyone can do to help save their lives because they are not avoiding damage in the first place. I understand my role as a healer is to make sure everyone is alive (other than of course, the million other things I need to do as well, like making sure everyone is buffed, managing everyone's resources, etc), but as a dps or tank, you're also responsible to play smart. I will never blame a dps if they have low damage output or a tank that missed a taunt or two, I do my best to compensate. I'm not perfect, I make stupid mistakes too, but I don't go around blaming others for my death.

In capable hands? you mean he has over 300CP than yes any class do anything decent. A warlock with the same CP would crush the DK.

He's a good player regardless the CP. He weaves his attacks, and he has the best build. And stop crying about CP, it's being capped. So yeah, if you can't make a DK good, doesn't mean others can't.

BTW, I believe he has about 300 CP (more or less), don't you? It's easy to get to 300CP now mate, with the catch up mechanic.

Im a templar with 200 cp. I have never grouped with a DK who can put out more dps than me. I main a healer btw sure some pople can but evry dk dd i have been with we never finished. I only run vet now.

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

eliisra wrote: »

The things that annoys me the most as healer is also the things that annoys me the most as tank.

1. Most frustrating is players with low dps.

2. Second place is these guys(usually stamina NB's) who always yolos into massive trash packs and spams Steel Tornado without blocking or moving out of red stuff.

They die will insta-die the very second you stop heal spamming. But when heal spamming you cant help with support duties/groups resource management and off-dps. So annoying when you cant even weapon swap and pop a magicka orb, because you know that guy is going to die in one global cooldown.

Tank needs to get control over the hardest hitting mele guys, before dps can brain afk and mash AoE. Need to block, dodge and think about positioning for a few seconds, after the you pull a big pack of mobs. This is something literally everyone seems to know, besides Steel Tornado spamblades.

3. People not waiting while you're swapping skills or gear. As healer(same with tank) you sometimes need to change a few things, before certain bosses. A lot of people only playing dps, aren't aware of this and they facepull boss, getting you in combat with crucial skills or even gear missing. Do not aggro boss before people are ready, especially when they're saying "PLEASE WAIT" in group chat.

This. LOW DPS is far on top. I understand new players aren't geared and never mind if we are just doing a normal Dungeon. When we hit vet dungeons low dps starts to irritate me.

Mettaricana · December 2015

Ps4 that one doosh without a mic thinking he's the greatest thing since the invention of skooma... normally first to die or leads adds to the healer wipes the party a few times before rage quitting.

Brrrofski · December 2015

Flameheart wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

As a tank I hate healers who dps instead of healing to the point that I have to watch my health bar half of the fight haha

If you do it right, take my shards or convert magicka to stamina as a nightblade tank, I don't have to watch your health bar at all as a healer, the Mutagen running on you usually does the job and I am able to dps and maybe heal that vampire stamina glass cannon standing in stupid :-)

No. You heal the tank too. If you wanna have "special" rules for your private group of friends fine. But in pubs, you heal.

Of course I do, but if the tank is proper geared, able to manage his ressources, knows the boss mechanisms and tactics and takes my buffs, it's the player that needs almost no heals in a 4-man group.

Ok. On boss fights yes. The aggro doesn't help because the aoe on most boss fights is so bad that the dps guys are getting wrecked. I get what you are saying.

Lets just be clear tho. No matter what your buddies can do as tank if I'm the tank and you let me die a couple times your gonna get kicked from group.

I won't let you die, but if somebody would appear as a paper tank for me (there are guys out there - mostly from the PvP fraction - which think you just need to grab a shield and a sword and stand before the boss in dps equip), there is no kick necessary, I would maybe finish the instance, but maybe leave on my own.

Actually it's rather difficult to let someone die in a game with an "intelligent" healing system :-)

Yeh, I gotta agree. When I'm tanking, as long as there's a hot on me, I don't need burst healing very often.

Brrrofski · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

People with single tunnel vision, did (nerenith or however it's spelt) said to everyone at the beginning wait till 50% then leave the ghost adds alone....

Gets to 45% people are spamming AOEs ....I type in text chat leave the Damm ghosts alone...

More aoes....boss gets down to 35% and picks up the sword...no gold

To be fair, tank should have them on him the complete opposite side of the room. They shouldn't be bear any aoes dropped on the boss

Whitebrad25 · December 2015

Definitely going to be "low DPS," first....Next would be Tanks that just do not know how to tank....

It is a video game, so if the mechanics aren't understood, if they stand in red occasionally, etc., are fine with me if they can correct and care about what advice is given. I enjoy PUG's since you often have to elevate your game play to adapt to the composition of the group; essentially in PUG's, I learned my healer very well.

I am sitting with 3k spell damage (will be 3.2k when I change my reduce cost to spell damage on one jewelry piece) and I have 3.5k mana regen with 38K magic. If I am the primary DPS in the group....that is frustrating. It not only takes forever, but I cannot DPS for 3 other people....Being a healer that can hit hard makes grouping with regulars very easy and all content is easily completed...

Most end game content shows a huge merger of capabilities. What I mean is that in the beginning, we all saw several traditional 'tanks' and 'healers' whose primary roles were support in their own respects. It is much so the case that you have to have DPS in every class these days (Prison, I'm looking at you). Many tanks are mid 2k weapon damage now-a-days and depending on the healers style of play, I have run into some that prefer a buffed 3.6k+.

Khaos_Bane · December 2015

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

Whitebrad25 · December 2015

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

MiiSz_Psycho · December 2015

Most fustrating to me is people who go wayy out my healing range and then blame me. Or they run around the entire area away from the tank so I have to pretty much watch them by running back and forth.

Or tanks who think they can handle big groups and end up getting 1shot and trying to blame the healer. Like no sorry I couldn't save you from 30 fists to the face.

Or people who generally try to tell me what my loadout should be because it works great for them. Don't get me wrong I'm all for advise but come on no1 wants to be a dps healer trying to worry about my dmg while healing. I hate ppl that's like omg why don't you use this or that because I'm a healer you twit....

PBpsy · December 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

SmalltalkJava wrote: »

Reminder to you awesome healers. Please give us advice. Some of us haven't played healers. So please speak up with tips!

in dungeons? No.We will not because people will whine that we are elitist snips and stuff. The same reason I don't give advice to crap healers&tanks when I dps. We will just have our fun on this thread.

I always give people tips if I feel they'll be helpful. I've never once had anyone whine about it. Conversely, I'm always happy to receive tips. I've played this game a lot, but that doesn't mean I know everything or that I can't improve. When you get down to it, I'm a casual who plays a lot, not a hard-core, so I know I'm not elite and I can always learn something new here and there.

The few times I politely recommended the use of some AOE to any dps I got pretty discouraging responses. I gave up on that. Snipe away Grobull you snips!

Shunravi · December 2015

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

I know a vampire who can solo pretty much anything in vCoA. Course, it's not a pug.... But still.

Flameheart · December 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

I know a vampire who can solo pretty much anything in vCoA. Course, it's not a pug.... But still.

Doing CoA with a vampire is possible of course if you follow a few rules:

-being a Dunmer or a Breton is an advantage (fire resistance, spell resistance), it's no necessity though, otherwise compensate by movement
-Light Armor shield as a magicka DD is my friend, I should trust my friend and have it on my skill bar
-Otherwise I need to know how to move and avoid red stupid, as a vampire stamina melee build I have to know that even better. My personal experience is, that almost all vampire players seem to be stamina melees, which leaves them with less or even next to nothing concerning self defences, but this is their issue, not mine, I can't heal onehits.
-my DPS should be such awesome, that Valkyn dies before he destroys the third platform in gold pledge mode, otherwise I won't guarantee that your survive the lava splashes.

myrrrorb14_ESO · December 2015

Standing in red. It's amazing how often people will get caught in it and just stay in it.

I get that occasionally it's going to hit you. I'm color blind and it doesn't show very well all the time. But get out of it!

Brrrofski · December 2015

Flameheart wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

I know a vampire who can solo pretty much anything in vCoA. Course, it's not a pug.... But still.

Doing CoA with a vampire is possible of course if you follow a few rules:

-being a Dunmer or a Breton is an advantage (fire resistance, spell resistance), it's no necessity though, otherwise compensate by movement
-Light Armor shield as a magicka DD is my friend, I should trust my friend and have it on my skill bar
-Otherwise I need to know how to move and avoid red stupid, as a vampire stamina melee build I have to know that even better. My personal experience is, that almost all vampire players seem to be stamina melees, which leaves them with less or even next to nothing conerning self defences, but this is their issue, not mine, I can't heal onehits.
-my DPS should be such awesome, that Valkyn dies before he destroys the third platform in gold pledge mode, otherwise I won't guarantee that your survive the lava splashes.

I have a breton vamp healer and have done pretty much every dungeon on it.

Fire is a non issue. Positioning, CP, race and harness magica sort it out.

anitajoneb17_ESO · December 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Oh and one more thing, what bugs me MORE is as Templar healer, someone WHO INSISTS on 'off-healing' by wasting mana on junk like the red bubble resto ward during a fight instead of DPSing.

Either myself or another DPS (sorcs usually) will have the lowest health in the group even at full health, and I have us covered, so unless you are using a resto for your weaves (I believe resto weaves are still parsing higher on NBs anyway) please leave resto skills alone when DPSing and just DPS.

I don't need you to help heal and you don't see me trying to DPS when you're dying so just leave it.

No way !

There are very few people that I know and trust, and whenever I run with them, and also depending on the group setup, I will go with 100% optimized DPS.
With anyone else as a healer (being PUGs or guildies that I don't know or trust) I'll go with shield abilities slotted and a resto staff, even if that obviously lowers my DPS output. Like it or not, I don't know you and I don't want to rely 100% on you for keeping me alive. Who knows when you'll fancy DPSing instead of healing, or rezzing instead of healing, and I'll have to manage by myself to remain alive ?

If it's one thing that this thread shows, it's that there no consensus on the primary role of a healer - especially when it comes to :
- rezz or not rezz
- buff/support or not
- DPS or not

It's OK imho that there are various visions of the role - but as long as I don't know you, I'll go for safer. And that will make your job easier - whether you actually need it or not.

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

willymchilybily wrote: »

for a slightly different take on the topic, for me from a tanks point of view i can tell the good healers from the bad.

Good
Has the heal ready after the bosses big hit that even with blocking can hurt, (most healers that do this have normally tanked or are experienced)

if mechanics disables heals for a short time they let me know so i can be prepared to waste a bit more stam/mag/pot than usual to survive

doesn't pick up a dead DPS during the fight (at least without saying so) just because they can do it quicker, when the boss is at a high damage phase.

focuses on sustain and regen sets

Bad
Uses radiant destruction/execute on boss during fights that still require good heals

runs away from group if mob is agro'd to them.

doesn't know boss mechanics/when healing is likely to be needed.

uses rite of passage/healing ult in a bad spot, on a fight that requires moving. easiest to see on engine guardian etc.

focuses giant mag/SD heals that go far beyond what the group needs, but burns out quickly.

As someone who does quite a bit of tanking and quite a bit of healing, I agree with you on every point.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

*ANYONE WHO USES FPS INSTEAD OF ZOOMING OUT AND WATCHING YOUR STEPS IN A DUNGEON!
*People who seem to think I joke, when I ask them if they are red/green colorblind, when they repeatedly completely ignore standing in red circles, and claim they never stood in anything. Only one guy actually responded serious to that, because he was aware that he was red/green colorblind. It kinda makes it easier for me to expect him not to see any danger circles, and put out hots beforehand, than if he never told me and instead let me think he was brainless.

Heh, so of my real life friends who play ESO, one of them always plays in first person 100% of the time, and one of them is red-green colourblind.

I don't know how he does it, but the one who plays in first person actually has pretty damn good situational awareness, and pretty much always gets out of AOEs, knows which mobs are where, etc. I can't do that at all in first person.

The one who is colourblind never knows if he's standing in red - we have to tell him.

They need an option to change colors of circles and other warnings for both PC and console for those that are legit colorblind

Shunravi · December 2015

Flameheart wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

I know a vampire who can solo pretty much anything in vCoA. Course, it's not a pug.... But still.

Doing CoA with a vampire is possible of course if you follow a few rules:

-being a Dunmer or a Breton is an advantage (fire resistance, spell resistance)
-Light Armor shield as a magicka DD is my friend, I should trust my friend and have it on my skill bar
-Otherwise I need to know how to move and avoid red stupid, as a vampire stamina melee build I have to know that even better. My personal experience is, that almost all vampire players seem to be stamina melees, which leaves them with less or even next to nothing conerning self defences, but this is their issue, not mine, I can't heal onehits.
-my DPS should be such awesome, that Valkyn dies before he destroys the third platform in gold pledge mode, otherwise I won't guarantee that your survive the lava splashes.

Im a khajiit magica vampire and have little trouble dpsing, tanking, or healing in there.

Course, i have a video where i fail so hard its downright embarasing, and i force him to solo the ash titan... Wanna see?

RinaldoGandolphi · December 2015

To name a few:

Using group finder and getting a VR16 tank with only 15k health, making keeping him alive impossible then being blamed when he is one shotted.
Groups that don't use synergies, im tossing Mystic Orbs, why you using Dark Conversion!?
Stamplars that think they need to use Repentence instead of me preventing me from using it when everyone can benefit from it.
Getting too far spread out forcing me to heal in 2-3 different areas instead of one in essence straining my resources considerably

Healing is tough business, its far harder to heal then to straight DPS on my Sorc. I do Slot Radiant Destruction to help the group burn bosses if no one needs a heal, and i have started running the Maw of The Infernal 2 piece, im actually suprised at how well it does...if the boss is stationary the fire breath and such adds a good bit of DPS i wouldn't otherwise have, and i can't count how many times that Daedroth has tanked adds allowing me to get rezzes off i wouldn't normally be able to do..overall an under-rated set.

Flameheart · December 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

I know a vampire who can solo pretty much anything in vCoA. Course, it's not a pug.... But still.

Doing CoA with a vampire is possible of course if you follow a few rules:

-being a Dunmer or a Breton is an advantage (fire resistance, spell resistance)
-Light Armor shield as a magicka DD is my friend, I should trust my friend and have it on my skill bar
-Otherwise I need to know how to move and avoid red stupid, as a vampire stamina melee build I have to know that even better. My personal experience is, that almost all vampire players seem to be stamina melees, which leaves them with less or even next to nothing conerning self defences, but this is their issue, not mine, I can't heal onehits.
-my DPS should be such awesome, that Valkyn dies before he destroys the third platform in gold pledge mode, otherwise I won't guarantee that your survive the lava splashes.

Im a khajiit magica vampire and have little trouble dpsing, tanking, or healing in there.

Course, i have a video where i fail so hard its downright embarasing, and i force him to solo the ash titan... Wanna see?

Nah, no need. Maybe I should have added an "or" between my points to make it clear. In the end CoA is doable by any vampire char just by smart moving and having a group which is so strong dpswise, that they do not have to stand in the lava in the end for a longer time (til you are out of damage mitigation ultis).

The issue of all those comments is ("I did it"-T-shirt-wearers), that you maybe be a smart player who knows his stuff and knows how to avoid damage, but "average joe" will read your comment and he will by accident join my PUG and of course think

"Cool, I am never been there, but as I am the smartest player under the sky, CoA should be no problem at all. I guess I am such great, I will even do it without buff food. Every healer will tremble in my presence and praise my godlike dps (7,5k...)"

Nope, I watch you die and repentance your corpse for the DD near you or the tank so that I might finish the boss by myself.

Brrrofski · December 2015

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

willymchilybily wrote: »

for a slightly different take on the topic, for me from a tanks point of view i can tell the good healers from the bad.

Good
Has the heal ready after the bosses big hit that even with blocking can hurt, (most healers that do this have normally tanked or are experienced)

if mechanics disables heals for a short time they let me know so i can be prepared to waste a bit more stam/mag/pot than usual to survive

doesn't pick up a dead DPS during the fight (at least without saying so) just because they can do it quicker, when the boss is at a high damage phase.

focuses on sustain and regen sets

Bad
Uses radiant destruction/execute on boss during fights that still require good heals

runs away from group if mob is agro'd to them.

doesn't know boss mechanics/when healing is likely to be needed.

uses rite of passage/healing ult in a bad spot, on a fight that requires moving. easiest to see on engine guardian etc.

focuses giant mag/SD heals that go far beyond what the group needs, but burns out quickly.

As someone who does quite a bit of tanking and quite a bit of healing, I agree with you on every point.

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

*ANYONE WHO USES FPS INSTEAD OF ZOOMING OUT AND WATCHING YOUR STEPS IN A DUNGEON!
*People who seem to think I joke, when I ask them if they are red/green colorblind, when they repeatedly completely ignore standing in red circles, and claim they never stood in anything. Only one guy actually responded serious to that, because he was aware that he was red/green colorblind. It kinda makes it easier for me to expect him not to see any danger circles, and put out hots beforehand, than if he never told me and instead let me think he was brainless.

Heh, so of my real life friends who play ESO, one of them always plays in first person 100% of the time, and one of them is red-green colourblind.

I don't know how he does it, but the one who plays in first person actually has pretty damn good situational awareness, and pretty much always gets out of AOEs, knows which mobs are where, etc. I can't do that at all in first person.

The one who is colourblind never knows if he's standing in red - we have to tell him.

They need an option to change colors of circles and other warnings for both PC and console for those that are legit colorblind

Those red circles are impossible for me to see on green. The spider daedra that sucks one of you into a portal for instance. I know the prompt she does but I cannot see that red. It's only through practice I know it's radius

Shunravi · December 2015

Flameheart wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

I know a vampire who can solo pretty much anything in vCoA. Course, it's not a pug.... But still.

Doing CoA with a vampire is possible of course if you follow a few rules:

-being a Dunmer or a Breton is an advantage (fire resistance, spell resistance)
-Light Armor shield as a magicka DD is my friend, I should trust my friend and have it on my skill bar
-Otherwise I need to know how to move and avoid red stupid, as a vampire stamina melee build I have to know that even better. My personal experience is, that almost all vampire players seem to be stamina melees, which leaves them with less or even next to nothing conerning self defences, but this is their issue, not mine, I can't heal onehits.
-my DPS should be such awesome, that Valkyn dies before he destroys the third platform in gold pledge mode, otherwise I won't guarantee that your survive the lava splashes.

Im a khajiit magica vampire and have little trouble dpsing, tanking, or healing in there.

Course, i have a video where i fail so hard its downright embarasing, and i force him to solo the ash titan... Wanna see?

Nah, no need. Maybe I should have added an "or" between my points to make it clear. In the end CoA is doable by any vampire char just by smart moving and having a group which is so strong dpswise, that they do not have to stand in the lava in the end for a longer time (til you are out of damage mitigation ultis).

The issue of all those comments is ("I did it"-T-shirt-wearers), that you maybe be a smart player who knows his stuff and knows how to avoid damage, but "average joe" will read your comment and he will of course think

"Cool, I am never been there, but as I am the smartest player under the sky, CoA should be no problem at all. I guess I am such great, I will even do it without buff food. Every healer will tremble in my presence and praise my godlike dps (7,5k...)"

Nope, I watch you die and repentance your corpse for the DD near you or the tank so that I might finish the boss by myself.

Dont stand in the lava.. Stand on the rocks (not the paths)

And i hear ya, trust me. Been there done that.

pugged enough low hp dpsers and blind followers of the top builds (who dont understand how those builds work) that i know the pain. But thats also why I pug. I know Im capable, but how is someone else going to learn?

Thing is, I would rather be encouraging than discouraging. So im glad you posted those tips. (Its part of why i post potentially derisive things on the forum) Its just sad for me when i see vampires dissmissed offhand, especially after many all vampire no death runs.

And that same vampire who soloed the titan has also soloed Skoria with no platforms.

Flameheart · December 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Whitebrad25 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Vampires in Veteran City of Ash. Nearly every group I get outside of my guild in Veteran City of Ash has a couple of Vampires. Very irritating.

I have completed it with a vampire (one person that admitted to it anyway) and it was indeed unnecessarily difficult. I can spot the vampires by their health bars though so I knew before we got too far into the dungeon.

I know a vampire who can solo pretty much anything in vCoA. Course, it's not a pug.... But still.

Doing CoA with a vampire is possible of course if you follow a few rules:

-being a Dunmer or a Breton is an advantage (fire resistance, spell resistance)
-Light Armor shield as a magicka DD is my friend, I should trust my friend and have it on my skill bar
-Otherwise I need to know how to move and avoid red stupid, as a vampire stamina melee build I have to know that even better. My personal experience is, that almost all vampire players seem to be stamina melees, which leaves them with less or even next to nothing conerning self defences, but this is their issue, not mine, I can't heal onehits.
-my DPS should be such awesome, that Valkyn dies before he destroys the third platform in gold pledge mode, otherwise I won't guarantee that your survive the lava splashes.

Im a khajiit magica vampire and have little trouble dpsing, tanking, or healing in there.

Course, i have a video where i fail so hard its downright embarasing, and i force him to solo the ash titan... Wanna see?

Nah, no need. Maybe I should have added an "or" between my points to make it clear. In the end CoA is doable by any vampire char just by smart moving and having a group which is so strong dpswise, that they do not have to stand in the lava in the end for a longer time (til you are out of damage mitigation ultis).

The issue of all those comments is ("I did it"-T-shirt-wearers), that you maybe be a smart player who knows his stuff and knows how to avoid damage, but "average joe" will read your comment and he will of course think

"Cool, I am never been there, but as I am the smartest player under the sky, CoA should be no problem at all. I guess I am such great, I will even do it without buff food. Every healer will tremble in my presence and praise my godlike dps (7,5k...)"

Nope, I watch you die and repentance your corpse for the DD near you or the tank so that I might finish the boss by myself.

Dont stand in the lava.. Stand on the rocks (not the paths)

And i hear ya, trust me. Been there done that. pugged enough low hp dpsers and blind followers of the top builds (who dont understand how those builds work) that i know the pain. But thats also why I pug. I know Im capable, but how is someone else going to learn?

Thing is, I would rather be encouraging than discouraging. So im glad you posted those tips. (Its part of why i post potentially derisive things on the forum) Its just sad for me when i see vampires dissmissed offhand, especially after many all vampire no death runs.

And that same vampire who soloed the titan has also soloed Skoria with no platforms.

All fine here with that.

I may add that you should of course not swim in the lava after the third platform is down, you should stand on those tiny rocks here and there at best all in one location for excessive healing springs spam....but after a short while the boss will do his move that lets the lava splash high. This is the moment where a vampire player without any self defence will most likely die. Nova or Veil will just prolongen it somewhat.