Healers, what's the most frustrating thing(s) you go through with every group?

LadyNalcarya

Well, apparently not many dds can achieve 20+k dps and even less can touch 30k. Even sorcs.
Ofc I mean casuals/random group finder groups.

UrQuan

Brrrofski wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

As a tank I hate healers who dps instead of healing to the point that I have to watch my health bar half of the fight haha

If you do it right, take my shards or convert magicka to stamina as a nightblade tank, I don't have to watch your health bar at all as a healer, the Mutagen running on you usually does the job and I am able to dps and maybe heal that vampire stamina glass cannon standing in stupid :-)

No. You heal the tank too. If you wanna have "special" rules for your private group of friends fine. But in pubs, you heal.

Of course I do, but if the tank is proper geared, able to manage his ressources, knows the boss mechanisms and tactics and takes my buffs, it's the player that needs almost no heals in a 4-man group.

Ok. On boss fights yes. The aggro doesn't help because the aoe on most boss fights is so bad that the dps guys are getting wrecked. I get what you are saying.

Lets just be clear tho. No matter what your buddies can do as tank if I'm the tank and you let me die a couple times your gonna get kicked from group.

I won't let you die, but if somebody would appear as a paper tank for me (there are guys out there - mostly from the PvP fraction - which think you just need to grab a shield and a sword and stand before the boss in dps equip), there is no kick necessary, I would maybe finish the instance, but maybe leave on my own.

Actually it's rather difficult to let someone die in a game with an "intelligent" healing system :-)

Yeh, I gotta agree. When I'm tanking, as long as there's a hot on me, I don't need burst healing very often.

Agreed. I tank more often than I heal, and IMO a tank should almost never need burst healing. When I'm tanking if I've got a HOT on me periodically (I don't need a HOT active 100% of the time) I'll almost always stay alive.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Oh and one more thing, what bugs me MORE is as Templar healer, someone WHO INSISTS on 'off-healing' by wasting mana on junk like the red bubble resto ward during a fight instead of DPSing.

Either myself or another DPS (sorcs usually) will have the lowest health in the group even at full health, and I have us covered, so unless you are using a resto for your weaves (I believe resto weaves are still parsing higher on NBs anyway) please leave resto skills alone when DPSing and just DPS.

I don't need you to help heal and you don't see me trying to DPS when you're dying so just leave it.

No way !

There are very few people that I know and trust, and whenever I run with them, and also depending on the group setup, I will go with 100% optimized DPS.
With anyone else as a healer (being PUGs or guildies that I don't know or trust) I'll go with shield abilities slotted and a resto staff, even if that obviously lowers my DPS output. Like it or not, I don't know you and I don't want to rely 100% on you for keeping me alive. Who knows when you'll fancy DPSing instead of healing, or rezzing instead of healing, and I'll have to manage by myself to remain alive ?

If it's one thing that this thread shows, it's that there no consensus on the primary role of a healer - especially when it comes to :
- rezz or not rezz
- buff/support or not
- DPS or not

It's OK imho that there are various visions of the role - but as long as I don't know you, I'll go for safer. And that will make your job easier - whether you actually need it or not.

Agreed. If I'm DPSing or tanking I usually (not always) have a heal slotted on one bar so that I can do some off-healing if needed. If the healer is on top of things and nobody is in danger of getting killed, that heal never gets used (well, except by accident sometimes when my finger slips). In cases when someone is in danger of getting killed (which may not even be the healer's fault - maybe the healer got hit by a random mechanic that stops them from healing for a time) it's really handy to be able to chip in to prevent a death.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

To name a few:

• Using group finder and getting a VR16 tank with only 15k health, making keeping him alive impossible then being blamed when he is one shotted.
• Groups that don't use synergies, im tossing Mystic Orbs, why you using Dark Conversion!?
• Stamplars that think they need to use Repentence instead of me preventing me from using it when everyone can benefit from it.
• Getting too far spread out forcing me to heal in 2-3 different areas instead of one in essence straining my resources considerably

Healing is tough business, its far harder to heal then to straight DPS on my Sorc. I do Slot Radiant Destruction to help the group burn bosses if no one needs a heal, and i have started running the Maw of The Infernal 2 piece, im actually suprised at how well it does...if the boss is stationary the fire breath and such adds a good bit of DPS i wouldn't otherwise have, and i can't count how many times that Daedroth has tanked adds allowing me to get rezzes off i wouldn't normally be able to do..overall an under-rated set.

To your list:

• I just don't understand how anyone can think that they can tank with health that low. I'm not doubting you that you've run into that, I'm just saying that I don't understand the people who do it.
• I love to use synergies, but I often find it difficult to do (I hit X and nothing happens), or difficult to use the synergy that I want to use when there are different ones available in an overlapping area (no, I didn't mean to pick up that shard, I meant to make that nova do more damage)
• When there are multiple Templars in a group, it's totally worth having a quick conversation about Repentance before starting the run. That won't always help (some stamplars will just do whatever the hell they want to with it regardless), but it's still a good idea.
• Yup

Islyn

cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »

I get annoyed at stam dps when they are constantly asking for shards. God what if you aren't running with a temp healer? Scrubs

my DPS never have to ask me ;-)

Islyn

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Went into Fungal Grotto this weekend.

We had two Healers, two DPS, two Tanks. I was one of the Healers.

My Sorcerer and my buddy (the Templar Healer) are switching around gear and Skills to best maximize our efforts.
While we're both still in our menu's, the two DPS guys pull a very large group of enemies. We asked them to wait, but they pulled them anyway.

They pulled them to the Healers, not towards the Tanks... we died. Quickly.

So did the rest of the group.

Then the DPS guys asked why we didn't heal everyone...

There was quite a lot of frustration.

That's 6 players.

I think someone may be confused. Also, beginning of FG doesn't have a LARGE GROUP of enemies.

Lightninvash

as a healer the worst ever is when the DD runs in and pulls 2 rooms screaming "LEROY JENKINS!!!"

Islyn

me_ming wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Lithium Flower wrote: »

Don't fail.

Agreeed with the whole rest of this thread - except this SMARM put me off entirely.

lol.

That's NOT the only thing he said, and honestly, I don't think he addressed it only to healers, but every role.

FYI, the OP IS is about healer's frustration with groups. What did you expect?! If you don't like to hear people's frustrations then don't read. You must be one of those guys that just blames the healer, if so I certainly hope you don't play in PC NA.

Please don't be ignorant. My main is a Templar Healer.

Saying don't fail is just a useless thing because ofc people fail or every run ever would be a perfect no deaths run. It sounds smarmy to me and I already said I agree with the rest.

Finally, practise what you preach.

Islyn

Stickleback wrote: »

1. DD's who try to get the highest possible max magicka builds to get the highest numbers, but have no health.
2. DD's who jump in and AOE trash mobs, before the tank has even tried to pick up a few
   
3. DD's who expect me to equip a destro staff cause "it's the healers job to put elemental drain on the boss "
4. DD's who expect me to give them shards as they have no resource management or just love spamming skills
5. Groupmembers who stay in fire/spit/whatever because they are too busy staring at their pretty numbers
   
6. Stamina Templars who steal my corpses so I can't use repentance as a heal when needed
7. Groupmembers who think all bosses have chainlightning and so stay FAR FAR away from the rest of the group, so I need to use expensive heals to keep them topped up
8. The fact I had to reroll a templar because nobody would bring along my sorc healer
9. I'm sure there is more if I think about it longer..

No, I reckon people didn't bring you becauseyou could not keep up current necessities as a sorc healer and based on some of your statements above, you're having an issue with the current templar healer meta. (Edited to not sound too rude, I don't mean to be rude.)

Ele drain is your job, so are shards, the more resources we can give them for DPS the better and faster the DPS can go. Healer is also a support role.

Autolycus

As I'm sure many others do too, I have experience in all roles, and have led pve and pvp groups from all roles as well. I find it easiest to lead as a healer, because I am already paying attention to what everyone is doing and where they are standing, whereas in a tank or dps role, it is much easier to become focused solely on one particular enemy, mechanic, etc.

That being said, by far the most frustrating thing for me is just the inability or unwillingness to listen or learn. I've always had a very lax stance when running content. The first priority is to have fun, and the second is to beat content. I don't boss people around unless that is expectation, like in trials or coordinated pvp. But in these particular settings, I expect people to be willing to listen, and to make the honest effort to improve, or at least try the suggestions that are provided to help them.

It's one thing to be unfamiliar with a fight or mechanic, or to be inexperienced, and neither of these bother me in the slightest, even on a bad day. However, if we are constructively discussing a mechanic that is giving someone trouble, and I offer a suggestion that has been proven to help in that given scenario (usually because of my own experience, or someone else's in group), I will surely find it frustrating if that advice is disregarded and the group continues to fall short because of it.

Think back to all the times when a group wiped in cyro because everyone was told to stack on crown, and they dispersed. Think about all of the times groups have wiped on the Mantikora in SO because someone failed to block during the raid-wide aoe, even when instructed to do so in advance. These things are bound to happen, and anyone who leads a group should expect it, and have the patience to work with people. It's up to the group to listen and learn. It's also up to the group leader to be open to suggestions too, or be willing to accommodate a variety of builds and playstyles, but generally speaking, listen and learn.

UrQuan

Autolycus wrote: »

Think back to all the times when a group wiped in cyro because everyone was told to stack on crown, and they dispersed.

I'm still pretty inexperienced in PVP, but a while back a guild that I'm in was doing a PVP training night that I joined in on. As we were attacking a keep, the leader of the training run kept telling us to stay on crown, so I spent most of the attack wondering why the hell I was just about the only one who was actually staying on crown, and why so many other people were just heading off in whatever direction they pleased. It must have been frustrating for the leader, and naturally we weren't super effective as a result.

Come on people, communication is key in all group play! You need to listen and learn! Sheesh...

Autolycus

UrQuan wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Think back to all the times when a group wiped in cyro because everyone was told to stack on crown, and they dispersed.

I'm still pretty inexperienced in PVP, but a while back a guild that I'm in was doing a PVP training night that I joined in on. As we were attacking a keep, the leader of the training run kept telling us to stay on crown, so I spent most of the attack wondering why the hell I was just about the only one who was actually staying on crown, and why so many other people were just heading off in whatever direction they pleased. It must have been frustrating for the leader, and naturally we weren't super effective as a result.

Come on people, communication is key in all group play! You need to listen and learn! Sheesh...

It's true! From the sounds of it, that particular group likely would have been far more effective had they listened and coordinated their efforts. The group leader isn't always right, though. I've been wrong on numerous occasions, and when I am wrong, I listen and learn. I will never claim to be perfect, but I do think that a good leader must learn to be a good follower sometimes.

UrQuan

Autolycus wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Think back to all the times when a group wiped in cyro because everyone was told to stack on crown, and they dispersed.

I'm still pretty inexperienced in PVP, but a while back a guild that I'm in was doing a PVP training night that I joined in on. As we were attacking a keep, the leader of the training run kept telling us to stay on crown, so I spent most of the attack wondering why the hell I was just about the only one who was actually staying on crown, and why so many other people were just heading off in whatever direction they pleased. It must have been frustrating for the leader, and naturally we weren't super effective as a result.

Come on people, communication is key in all group play! You need to listen and learn! Sheesh...

It's true! From the sounds of it, that particular group likely would have been far more effective had they listened and coordinated their efforts. The group leader isn't always right, though. I've been wrong on numerous occasions, and when I am wrong, I listen and learn. I will never claim to be perfect, but I do think that a good leader must learn to be a good follower sometimes.

Yeah, a lot of people ran off into traps laid for them by enemy players and got picked off one by one (the leader was even saying "don't chase them, they're trying to lead you into a trap"). We were still able to take the keep, but it took us way longer and way more effort than if people had stuck together and coordinated properly.

And yes, you're right, a good leader will learn from his mistakes and will learn when to listen to others and do what they suggest. The most important quality in a true leader (and I'm not just talking about in MMOs - this applies to all leaders in life) is being able to identify good advice and follow it.

demendred

People acting like they huffed glue .


And dps who que as tank.