PvP: Single players eating all the damage because they have zero awareness. While they may not even die, the missed opportunities can be enormous if two healers and a stamina DD (who wants to provide maneuver) are always busy with that special snoflake who's "so close to killing that guy over there"
PvE: fights that take so long, I'm sure that the DDs deal far less damage than me. This can be amplified if I see someone spammign bow light attacks and venom arror


Dear healers in this thread: if you cannot sustain you own resources, chance are you're overhealing all the time. there are lots of other soruces of healing, e.g. magicka NBs and there are some moves that can take care for most of the healing needed for very low cost (most extreme: well timed use of repentance). further it's sometimes more efficient to call out DDs that constantly get hit by stuff like steel tornado mobs early enough and tell them to stop watching tv and play the game properly

Imo, "People instantly pulling the next group" and "healers taking care of other's resources (repentance, shards, ele drain, sometimes m-orbs - okay, tbh I think tanks are better suited to throw orbs)", are extactly how efficient groups should work.
Personally, I really want my PvE DDs to go for that last bit of damage (e.g. by full spellpower enchants) and then I'll keep that drain up - I don't want to spend ages in a single dungeon.

Lithium Flower wrote: »

Don't fail.

Agreeed with the whole rest of this thread - except this SMARM put me off entirely.

lol.

Went into Fungal Grotto this weekend.

We had two Healers, two DPS, two Tanks. I was one of the Healers.

My Sorcerer and my buddy (the Templar Healer) are switching around gear and Skills to best maximize our efforts.
While we're both still in our menu's, the two DPS guys pull a very large group of enemies. We asked them to wait, but they pulled them anyway.

They pulled them to the Healers, not towards the Tanks... we died. Quickly.

So did the rest of the group.

Then the DPS guys asked why we didn't heal everyone...

There was quite a lot of frustration.

Lithium Flower wrote: »

...DPS - bring your A game, amaze me with your dps and I'll work extra hard to make you shine. Glass cannons I can respect. You're a sorc with 15k HP and 50k magicka so you can hit like a Semi, I'll slot and keep a ward on you 24/7. But if you're running your special snowflake gear and hitting like a wet noodle - you're not a glass cannon, you're a chub loon. ...

That particular line just made my day! its always nice to see a well written, funny and also informative post!

I was never kicked out or anything for not being a Templar healer, but I also did my best to make it abundantly clear I wasn't as good of a healer as a Templar. I'd tell them "don't count on me to save you if you're near death, I can pretty much only sustain your health, or act as a sub-healer to the real healer, providing some breathing room for the main healer to regain resources and such. It was a nice role for a bit, trying to help healers, but I was chewed out one too many times by the Tanks for not keeping them alive, So I respec'd to go full DPS, sorry healers, but I feel your pain!

People who rush into battles without waiting for the whole group to be ready. Just because YOU are doesn't mean the rest of the party is. Someone might need to shuffle bars or Gear, or reapply Food/Drink bonuses. They might need to AFK for a few. Don't just go rushing off into trashpacks!

I can rez people nice and quick thanks to Temp Passive and Kag's Hope's set bonus. I tell people "Unless I'm dead or having to drop constant heals, LET ME REZ! The more time YOU spend rezzing someone is less DPSing or Tanking being done." And then people ignore me and run off to rez someone who dies (said someone is usually one who Leroy Jenkins'ed a trashpack or flailed out of the range of my BoL).

I can't get mad at people for moving beyond the range of my heals at times. ZOS designed the game so that a majority of the time you have to be on the move. Battles can get chaotic and it's easy to find you've wandered too far from the healer. I'm more annoyed by the poor range on a lot of our Abilities and the fact that some of the most useful are ground AoE instead of bubbles (not to mention that some of them, like Channeled Focus, are super tiny).

People who ignore me when I say to stack on me, I need to drop this Remembrance to keep us from being burned. Then get yelled at when someone complains about lack of heals. Sorry friend, there are times when spamming BoL is too inefficient and I'm not going to tear through my Magicka to keep you alive because you feel the need to derp around in red.

Groups where you literally have to toss down BoL every second or two because your teammates' HP drops by 1/3 or 1/2 all the darn time. It's like...please people, upgrade your armor, or invest some Attribute Points into Health, or get some Health Glyphs, or use potions more, or use a Food buff, and for the love of all that's holy slot self-heals if you have any! Being self-sufficient so I can toss out a bit more utility or support is much appreciated and can really help out.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Went into Fungal Grotto this weekend.

We had two Healers, two DPS, two Tanks. I was one of the Healers.

My Sorcerer and my buddy (the Templar Healer) are switching around gear and Skills to best maximize our efforts.
While we're both still in our menu's, the two DPS guys pull a very large group of enemies. We asked them to wait, but they pulled them anyway.

They pulled them to the Healers, not towards the Tanks... we died. Quickly.

So did the rest of the group.

Then the DPS guys asked why we didn't heal everyone...

There was quite a lot of frustration.

I am sorry, if you were 2 Healers in group, inside the dungeon and the Damage Dealers jumped in, then the Tanks were probably left out - because you can only be 4 people in Fungal Grotto.

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I've lately pugged dungeons as a DD, when i got to play on a better pc, and to my experience most healers are horrible healers, the templars just have it easier than the non templars.

If I get a healer that actually just heals every now and then, I get to feel lucky. I stopped wearing spell damage enchants and switched to cost reduction on all 3 jewelry, to somewhat sustain my magicka pool, as I usually get 0 buffs, siphon spirits and orbs from pugged healers.

The worst healer I've run with was a stamina based healer. -.-

Oh and one more thing, what bugs me MORE is as Templar healer, someone WHO INSISTS on 'off-healing' by wasting mana on junk like the red bubble resto ward during a fight instead of DPSing.

Either myself or another DPS (sorcs usually) will have the lowest health in the group even at full health, and I have us covered, so unless you are using a resto for your weaves (I believe resto weaves are still parsing higher on NBs anyway) please leave resto skills alone when DPSing and just DPS.

I don't need you to help heal and you don't see me trying to DPS when you're dying so just leave it.

Jura23 wrote: »

As a tank I hate healers who dps instead of healing to the point that I have to watch my health bar half of the fight haha

If you do it right, take my shards or convert my Siphon Spirit or bubble magicka to stamina as a nightblade tank, I don't have to watch your health bar at all as a healer, the Mutagen running on you usually does the job and I am able to dps and maybe heal that vampire stamina glass cannon standing in stupid :-)

robkrush wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

As a tank I hate healers who dps instead of healing to the point that I have to watch my health bar half of the fight haha

If you do it right, take my shards or convert magicka to stamina as a nightblade tank, I don't have to watch your health bar at all as a healer, the Mutagen running on you usually does the job and I am able to dps and maybe heal that vampire stamina glass cannon standing in stupid :-)

No. You heal the tank too. If you wanna have "special" rules for your private group of friends fine. But in pubs, you heal.

Of course I do, but if the tank is proper geared, able to manage his ressources, knows the boss mechanisms and tactics and takes my buffs, it's the player that needs almost no heals in a 4-man group.

robkrush wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Flameheart wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

As a tank I hate healers who dps instead of healing to the point that I have to watch my health bar half of the fight haha

If you do it right, take my shards or convert magicka to stamina as a nightblade tank, I don't have to watch your health bar at all as a healer, the Mutagen running on you usually does the job and I am able to dps and maybe heal that vampire stamina glass cannon standing in stupid :-)

No. You heal the tank too. If you wanna have "special" rules for your private group of friends fine. But in pubs, you heal.

Of course I do, but if the tank is proper geared, able to manage his ressources, knows the boss mechanisms and tactics and takes my buffs, it's the player that needs almost no heals in a 4-man group.

Ok. On boss fights yes. The aggro doesn't help because the aoe on most boss fights is so bad that the dps guys are getting wrecked. I get what you are saying.

Lets just be clear tho. No matter what your buddies can do as tank if I'm the tank and you let me die a couple times your gonna get kicked from group.

I won't let you die, but if somebody would appear as a paper tank for me (there are guys out there - mostly from the PvP fraction - which think you just need to grab a shield and a sword and stand before the boss in dps equip), there is no kick necessary, I would maybe finish the instance, but maybe leave on my own.

Actually it's rather difficult to let someone die in a game with an "intelligent" healing system :-)

demendred wrote: »

People with the mentality of children.

Everybody who plays videogames?

When they start asking where is my resto staff or how can I heal with a stam build because they see DW weps. just LOL