Healers, what's the most frustrating thing(s) you go through with every group?

Islyn · December 2015

As a healer, the worst is people who think:
My job is just 'Spam BoL.'
I am their resource fountain. Take a farkin pot. Or replace some of mine.

eldermpsmithrwb17_ESO wrote: »

IMO tank role is the diversion of damage away from DPS so they can burn.

DPS role is to burn whilst trying to avoid as much dmg as possible.

Healing is to heal, and IMO to give the DPS health pool high so they can concentrate on dmg, so they not distracted from doing damage, the more they can not worry about dodging, self healing etc they more they can put into burning down.

We all need to learn our roles better as well as knowing the fights.

Frustrates me is when i do more damage as a healer than one of the DPS, this shouldnt happen but i happily contribute to damage, sometimes doing damage is a way for party members to avoid damage.

Also, TO ME, I feel DPS should give me some pots, too - if I have to maintain all their resources for free, they could kick me a few spellcrit pots or at least a few relevant herbs.

No, I do not use many pots and I am not asking for many - but do DPS honestly think my resources come out of nowhere? I am damned sure aware that their resources don't come out of nowhere, because if they did, Shards, Ele Drain, Orbs and Repentance would not be issues with which I would have to contend.

It is not hard to deal with these and other little things, 2 very small examples being Minor Sorcery and Warhorn...Warhorn requiring LOADS of PVP just to unlock in the first place.

Some people just do not realise all the stuff we do.

I, on the other hand, very MUCH respect the work the DPS put into their high parses and who make my life easier by keeping mobs off me because DEATH is the BEST CC.

Also, there's the tank who takes such a pounding so we don't have to.

Finally: Anyone who blames the healer who has not even posted their DPS.
My opinion on that is:

If no, then off to the sand packing pits with you.

Nifty2g · December 2015

The most irritating things are as follows, in order.

- Stamina Templars who think they they should use Repentance over you even though you know when to use it to benefit the whole group.

- When a Tank needs a shard and then some random Magicka user picks it up for no reason cause they think it's funny, happens too much in Trials.

- When someone dies to a mechanic they weren't doing correctly and blame the death on you.

- When Tank swaps bars and gets one hit by a power attack and blames you.

- When a DPS pulls the boss and Healer or Tank are not ready

MrDerrikk · December 2015

People who get hybrid builds off the internet and don't even know how to play them, meaning I'm spamming Healing Ward every 2 secs and can't even heal the others well.

Islyn · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

The most irritating things are as follows, in order.

- Stamina Templars who think they they should use Repentance over you even though you know when to use it to benefit the whole group.

This SO DAMN MUCH.

Look. I have this. If you want to heal, then heal.

Otherwise, don't.

The REST was also very true - but GD it if I am not Over people using repentance and SOME even wreck their DPS doing it in the MIDDLE of a fight where *There are no [snip] dead bodies!!!!*

Pls know and perform your role.

Not your class. Your role.

Thanks!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

NewBlacksmurf · December 2015

Groups that spread out so that's it's impossible to heal or even run around and heal them.

Ppl who jump and run around vs standing in one general area and

Ppl who yell out Heal me...as if I'm not trying to heal you but this usually occurs right after I've just thrown a heal

talabrina · December 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

The most irritating things are as follows, in order.

- Stamina Templars who think they they should use Repentance over you even though you know when to use it to benefit the whole group.

This SO DAMN MUCH.

Look. I have this. If you want to heal, then heal.

Otherwise, don't.

The REST was also very true - but GD it if I am not Over people using repentance and SOME even wreck their DPS doing it in the MIDDLE of a fight where *There are no [snip] dead bodies!!!!*

Pls know and perform your role.

Not your class. Your role.

Thanks!

True true truuuue!
Even if you got - as a Stam Build - like 30k of Stam... If I use it, it's scale to my 41k of Magicka. Pleaaase! Let me do it and you'll never be Out of Stam.

(I always yells on Stamplar for that XD)

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

yake82 · December 2015

Two things: Ranged dps who is out of aoe heals and tunnel vision dps who ignore boss mechanics for gold key. (Nuking Nerien'eth for example)

BUT

What really annoys me is the players who try fulfill 2 roles. Practically this is always the healers. Healers are there to heal, not dps. Do your job. I *hate* to see beams n sh*t coming out from healer.

My motto is this:
Always focus on your own role 100%. Then, if the party performs badly, you get say that it was other peoples fault, because you did your own job. Being a jack of all trades and master of none is burden to the group.

lolo_01b16_ESO · December 2015

yake82 wrote: »

What really annoys me is the players who try fulfill 2 roles. Practically this is always the healers. Healers are there to heal, not dps. Do your job. I *hate* to see beams n sh*t coming out from healer.

My motto is this:
Always focus on your own role 100%. Then, if the party performs badly, you get say that it was other peoples fault, because you did your own job. Being a jack of all trades and master of none is burden to the group.

I have to disagree with this. Sure, healing should always come first, but there's no point in spamming breath of life when everyone is at full health. I personally would feel bad, if I would just stand there doing heavy attacks while my group mates use spell power potions on cooldown to kill the boss fast enough.

Besides radiant oppression (or any other dawns wrath skill) increases the spell damage of all group members by 5%, so most good magicka dds will probably ask for you using one of these skills.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

Praeficere wrote: »

Xellos77 wrote: »

"Sweet, you'll heal? Oh. You're not a Templar. Sorry dude. We need shards. And without BoL you're useless. Reroll Temp and come talk to me in a few weeks."

Never see this on PC (EU, DC). A comment is rarely made on the/about a non-Templar healer, must be a console thing.

console don't have communication so no it's a pc thing

MrDerrikk · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

Xellos77 wrote: »

"Sweet, you'll heal? Oh. You're not a Templar. Sorry dude. We need shards. And without BoL you're useless. Reroll Temp and come talk to me in a few weeks."

Never see this on PC (EU, DC). A comment is rarely made on the/about a non-Templar healer, must be a console thing.

console don't have communication so no it's a pc thing

Must be an NA thing.

remilafo · December 2015

what a bunch of whiners.

Healers are so overpowered in this game and not just templars but all the classes, i've never seen an mmo where the healers can repeatedly heal the party back to full over and over and over again and never run out of resources.

From all the comments above obviously if your team are ignoring mechanics or "trying" to die then thats not on you/healer but all the others comments about how "it's hard" or "im trying to support" or "im also doing dps" , dudes why? check your gear or your build sounds like a l2p issue.

Preyfar · December 2015

I hate people who think it's my job to be their apparent one and only source of stamina. Everytime I hear "Shards, shards, shards!" I want to cringe. I'll slot Repentance, sure, but there's other skills I can take which are good... and don't rely on me being your stamina pool since some people have the regen of a baked potato. </rant>

Nifty2g · December 2015

Preyfar wrote: »

I hate people who think it's my job to be their apparent one and only source of stamina. Everytime I hear "Shards, shards, shards!" I want to cringe. I'll slot Repentance, sure, but there's other skills I can take which are good... and don't rely on me being your stamina pool since some people have the regen of a baked potato. </rant>

To be fair shards are also your main AoE DPS and a substitute if you don't have proximity detonation for single target

Nifty2g · December 2015

yake82 wrote: »

Two things: Ranged dps who is out of aoe heals and tunnel vision dps who ignore boss mechanics for gold key. (Nuking Nerien'eth for example)

BUT

What really annoys me is the players who try fulfill 2 roles. Practically this is always the healers. Healers are there to heal, not dps. Do your job. I *hate* to see beams n sh*t coming out from healer.

My motto is this:
Always focus on your own role 100%. Then, if the party performs badly, you get say that it was other peoples fault, because you did your own job. Being a jack of all trades and master of none is burden to the group.

it's because majority of the time you are over healing, there is a lot of the times you don't need to heal and you stand there doing nothing pretty much so why not add some damage to the group, but then again that's my whole playstyle and what I've worked around doing for over a year adding DPS to groups while healing, so I'm fairly used to it compared to others I suppose

Preyfar · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

To be fair shards are also your main AoE DPS and a substitute if you don't have proximity detonation for single target

Shards isn't a bad AoE, but I just prefer jabs. With my damage, I can wreck almost anything.

Joy_Division · December 2015

The lack of challenge presented by most veteran dungeons. I get asked to heal but spend 80% of my time DPS because the group doesn't need my healing.

Nifty2g · December 2015

Preyfar wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

To be fair shards are also your main AoE DPS and a substitute if you don't have proximity detonation for single target

Shards isn't a bad AoE, but I just prefer jabs. With my damage, I can wreck almost anything.

I wrote a pretty hefty guide for templar dps, if there are more than 2-3 targets shards will do a lot more dps than sweeps because of sweeps damage only nearest target takes the most damage, that changes too much in big trash packs

Aimora · December 2015

Xellos77 wrote: »

"Sweet, you'll heal? Oh. You're not a Templar. Sorry dude. We need shards. And without BoL you're useless. Reroll Temp and come talk to me in a few weeks."

Did this but still love healing on my Sorcerer

Totalitarian · December 2015

When you play without a tank (so 3 DPS) and you get aggro drawn to you consistently.

When you have to revive someone else, leading to the death of another member.

Throwing Shards/Mystic Orb to restore resources, and your teammates move out of the way.

That being said, there's probably more to complain about me being a bad healer. I contribute near-zero DPS, die near-instantly, and don't keep my eyes on the floor when fighting bosses. So I figure that I have it all coming

SienneYviete · December 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

yake82 wrote: »

What really annoys me is the players who try fulfill 2 roles. Practically this is always the healers. Healers are there to heal, not dps. Do your job. I *hate* to see beams n sh*t coming out from healer.

My motto is this:
Always focus on your own role 100%. Then, if the party performs badly, you get say that it was other peoples fault, because you did your own job. Being a jack of all trades and master of none is burden to the group.

I have to disagree with this. Sure, healing should always come first, but there's no point in spamming breath of life when everyone is at full health. I personally would feel bad, if I would just stand there doing heavy attacks while my group mates use spell power potions on cooldown to kill the boss fast enough.

Besides radiant oppression (or any other dawns wrath skill) increases the spell damage of all group members by 5%, so most good magicka dds will probably ask for you using one of these skills.

Overhealing can be a great buff to your group dd's with the spell power cure set, also the faster mobs and bosses die the less heals are required this is generally why you see healers doing dps but it's a group effort if you're group dps is low then you will probably have to pull your dps back and focus on healing more.

nordsavage · December 2015

The only thing I can agree with is when people move out of healing range or do not stand in springs when it is crunch time. Other than that I can heal like a monster, pull five digit dps (in most situations) and always maintain magicka reserves. If the dps dies because he was a hard charging fool that is fine I got my job and his handled. He can watch me wipe out the mobs,heal it and rub it in his face before he materializes. If you have resource issues take out some spell damage and get some regen and cost reduction or get better gear. If you do not like non-Templars being overlooked for healers blame ZOS for the state of tanking not the groups. Lastly to that guy that thinks the group owes him potions it is each players responsibility to maintain equipment and supplies if you cannot use basic pots for a majority of the run if not all of it then you need to retune your stats. I would not consider myself one to say learn to play but the buck is being passed hard in here.

Islyn · December 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

yake82 wrote: »

What really annoys me is the players who try fulfill 2 roles. Practically this is always the healers. Healers are there to heal, not dps. Do your job. I *hate* to see beams n sh*t coming out from healer.

My motto is this:
Always focus on your own role 100%. Then, if the party performs badly, you get say that it was other peoples fault, because you did your own job. Being a jack of all trades and master of none is burden to the group.

I have to disagree with this. Sure, healing should always come first, but there's no point in spamming breath of life when everyone is at full health. I personally would feel bad, if I would just stand there doing heavy attacks while my group mates use spell power potions on cooldown to kill the boss fast enough.

Besides radiant oppression (or any other dawns wrath skill) increases the spell damage of all group members by 5%, so most good magicka dds will probably ask for you using one of these skills.

^ This. If you're not providing minor sorcery to your group, then you're doing it wrong.

Also: If we are at burn DARN RIGHT I'll Jezus Beam. Never ever before execute though.

Oh and: We also cast support. It is part of our job. Ele drain, siphon spirit, PoL etc.

Islyn · December 2015

remilafo wrote: »

what a bunch of whiners.

Healers are so overpowered in this game and not just templars but all the classes, i've never seen an mmo where the healers can repeatedly heal the party back to full over and over and over again and never run out of resources.

From all the comments above obviously if your team are ignoring mechanics or "trying" to die then thats not on you/healer but all the others comments about how "it's hard" or "im trying to support" or "im also doing dps" , dudes why? check your gear or your build sounds like a l2p issue.

Check the OP the thread was made ESPECIALLY TO LIST ISSUES.

If you don't heal, you may be in the wrong thread. This is not for you.

Islyn · December 2015

ZioGio wrote: »

Everyone thinking they can solo trash mobs so they run off in three different directions, out of range of each other, expecting me to keep them all alive.

xD lol so true.

MLRPZ · December 2015

The most frustrating things ? not beating the DDs DPS

Islyn · December 2015

emeraldbay wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

having a dragon knight dps.

DK has to be worst class right now.

I have seen some stamplars put out massive damage.

squishy nightblades.

people who refuse to join group chat (ps4) you need to at least listen for bosses

I cant stand getting rolled over by some stupid warlock in pvp. just why cant templars win anything in pvp.

templars need a dps buff and maybe a heal nerf to balance.

self sustain people! me doing no dps because i have to spam BOL the whole raid is boring AF.

GET VIGOR YOU NIGHTBLADES

in response to the bolded fragments:

let me start off by saying I've had some very good dragonknight DPSers before. it's entirely possible.

and let me end by saying that nightblades have quite a bit of self-sustaining capability without the need for Vigor.

I am new on my MANA DK and still hitting 15-17k (ST sustained), which IS low compared to better players BUT FAR MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ANY BOSS OR TRIAL by +50% Wait till I've had more than 3 boss fights.

Perspective. Get some.

Curragraigue · December 2015

Same as what others have said the person who stays in AoEs and makes no attempt to move and expects you to be their personal pocket healer. I can be a little more forgiving of tanks if they are otherwise doing their job but the DPS that run with less than 20k health and pull this stuff drive me crazy and are the reason why I am always apprehensive before the first fight with a PUG dungeon run.

Zepiroth · December 2015

This thread gave my sore and burnt healer soul some comfort... I m not alone *whipes a bitter tear of joy * thanks guys

Tankqull · December 2015

cdobratz wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

The things that annoys me the most as healer is also the things that annoys me the most as tank.

1. Most frustrating is players with low dps.

I don't mind this if they are low cp, as having 25% extra damage through cp is a huge part of someones dps abilities.

But the best advice I ever received while playing ESO was that the dps' job is to dps while obeying the healer. That may hurt a lot of egos, but in my case I always had a bad case of tunnel vision while dpsing.

there is no excuse but being a horrible player when the tank+healer deal over 80% of the mobs health in dmg...

Murmeltier · December 2015

Oh yes, this is a good Thread (Takes a deep Breath))

1. DDs who Comes into a Group and demand Skills from the Healer so they can do Maximum Dps. No one demands something from me, you can ask friendly for it or use your own Elemental Drain. The Group can live with the 2 Seconds we Need longer for the Fight, then. I dont discuss this because i can, then i am mostly the Groupleader

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2. DDs who post their 10s of Fame in Dps, and the Rest of the Fight they Run around like headless Chickens in Panic, missing the Target. But hey, they have done 50k in 10s or whatever. What a Theatre

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3. Tanks & DDs, who taking so much Damage that i have to burst the whole Time and cant Support with Dps and Buffs.

4. Tanks who ask for Shards after i thrown Tons of them in their Direction.

5. Tanks who pull the whole Dungeon at once, to Show how cool they are. Then they run around in Panic because they cant handle the Chaos, they have started.

6. Players in Groups who say that Healing is boring and only a Breath of Life Spam. Every Healer supports with Damage, Heals and Buffs and that is a Little bit more then a Dps do. Easy Math, so stop this pls "Dps Diva".

7. Tanks and DDs who stand in red AOEs without moving, like Jim...or no, Jim does this better.

8. Nightblade & Sorcs who think that it is a cool Idea to jump into the Trashmob and AOE them so they have all the Aggro, because their Selfheal or Shield is good enough for that. And after that Magicka Wallstreetcrash they yells:"Who Needs a Tank or Healer". *(I do this with my Sorcerer too

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9. Players who dont listen to the Healer, if he says: "Dont move out of the Heal AOE, move in there and dont stand still", and leaving the Healing Circle, exploding outside in a Second. So much Panic.

10. DDs which pulls the Mobs before the Tanks after i said "Tanks pulls", sometimes i let them die

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11. DDs who dont rez their Comrades in difficult Situations.

12. PvP Players who says that PvE Content is boring and dieing every two Metres because they are onehitted by the Trash or Boss with their 16k HPs, or dont knowing the Tactics.

13. Players who dont use Bufffood because they want to save Money.

14. People who cant understand that Healers are the most important Classes in Teso, they are the real Leaders of the Groups

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At the End we are all Humans, and some of the Things are really funny, with the right Group.