Why can't we inspect others?
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✭I agree we to be able to inspect each others junk in-gameEdited by RedTalon on August 30, 2015 9:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭I would be okay with optional inspecting.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Thymos✭✭✭✭✭I didn't really think of the negatives.. I was more aimed at inspecting friends and crap to see how they're progressing, etc.
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✭because crap players are scared that it would lead to them being excluded (silly because achievements are currently used for that purpose regardless).
I wonder how many "crap players" have quit this game because of elitist attitudes. And what exactly qualifies someone as a crap player anyway?
according to what I have seen anyone that wants to have fun and enjoy every part of the game.PS4 NA
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✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »
@Emma_Eunjung select view profile in the interaction menu, anyone can interact with you and through the menu request the server to view your profile and you can have no idea anyone did it. I think we should put an optional lock on our profile to prevent random people peeping on our achievements or lack thereof.Edited by RAGUNAnoOne on August 30, 2015 11:21PMPS4 NA
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Sharakor✭✭✭I would love to inspect enemies' gear in PvP and I wouldn't care if noobs inspected mine.0 -
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✭✭✭So what exactly are you wanting to inspect lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »
@Emma_Eunjung select view profile in the interaction menu, anyone can interact with you and through the menu request the server to view your profile and you can have no idea anyone did it. I think we should put an optional lock on our profile to prevent random people peeping on our achievements or lack thereof.
I like that you can because on xbox you can mute the annoying ones via LIVE and have no restrictions in doing so unlike the set amount of mutes ZoS affords you. It also lowers your chances of ever meeting them again in any game on LIVE.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on August 30, 2015 11:26PM0 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭Riko_Futatabi wrote: »Examinations should be optional, just like group invitations are. Instead of "snooping", you should have to communicate with the player that you'd like to check out their gear and a notification would pop up just like a group invite.
This should also have a toggle feature where a player can disable the ability for players to send examination requests, which would result in being exactly like the system is now.
And if they were, and you were in a PUG or trying to get into a guild, and they asked, and you said no... what do you think would happen?Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
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✭I didn't really think of the negatives.. I was more aimed at inspecting friends and crap to see how they're progressing, etc.
Honestly, just ask them. Inspect brings a tool that players can use to separate/judge/ridicule/etc other players, and whilst it does have some positives, the negatives in this case are too strong. Plus there is a very simple work around: just ask.If you can be anything, be kind.3 -
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✭✭✭Riko_Futatabi wrote: »Yet another thread that could have had a decent discussion, destroyed because of lack of an open mind. I swear people need to get out of this loop of "We should have this!" "No, we don't need that!" when we can clearly have both with a toggle feature.
My god this forum needs to grow up and start having mature constructive discussions.
A toggle is not much of a compromise. A toggle is essentially the same as allowing people to inspect because they will just say 'inspection-only' group. If the option is there, there is no going back to simpler times.
Personally, I have no problem with letting people be build snobs if they want to. Why should they have to risk their evening on people having decent builds. And let's be honest -- there are bad builds. I've sure we've all gone through low level group dungeons and laughed as the tank didn't know how to bash interrupt. On low levels, it isn't a big deal, but on the more difficult content, a poorly built or poorly played group member is.
If certain people get picky to a ludicrous point, that is their prerogative. If people are gathering a group together, what is the problem with them being in a position to reject you? Gather your own group. It isn't like this is integrated into a grouping tool. The grouping tool here doesn't give that level of control.0 -
Sunver✭✭✭Privacy, please.
You forgot something - its the Internet. You left your privacy after plugging in the ethernet cable/connecting to Wi-Fi. If someone is concerned about his/hers gear and skills as being private and solely for the use of the owner - remember that less important data like your photos, name, address, browsing history, passwords is being peeked at by people you will never meet or know.
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I agree that this feature may be too personal to have as an option because in some cases you would feel forced to change your settings for the needs of others. So in this case a toggle doesn't quite work.
I may be wrong about this, but I feel ESO is closer to being more about how you use your abilities over what gear you have equipped. That's why I saw this from the perspective of positive/curiosity over negative/judging. But of course there is always going to be both perspectives, ESO just seemed to lean more toward the former.0 -
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✭✭So that cookie cutter builds don't become 5X easier to get. Either though cookie cutter builds are easy enough to get hanks to that battle master corner.0 -
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✭LOL ESO is turning into the game that takes away from what MMORPG's took years to put into the games.
1. Can't inspect players.
2. On Consoles you can't text chat for groups guilds or other normal everyday MMORPG things.
3. You don't need to complete quests others can do it for you.
4. Solo dungeons means you have others running it for you.
5. ESOTU we change the face of MMORPG's today!“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Mighty_oakk✭✭✭✭✭LOL ESO is turning into the game that takes away from what MMORPG's took years to put into the games.
1. Can't inspect players.
2. On Consoles you can't text chat for groups guilds or other normal everyday MMORPG things.
3. You don't need to complete quests others can do it for you.
4. Solo dungeons means you have others running it for you.
5. ESOTU we change the face of MMORPG's today!
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Blackhorne✭✭✭✭Why can't we inspect others?
You need to get to know them first! Take them out to dinner, etc.Taylor21554 wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »Yes, it is. Inspection brings the worst out in fanatical gamers. The rest of us will never be able to even PUG again if such a thing happens. Say goodbye to ANY kind of cooperation, which is kind of a good thing in MMOs, no?
Okay, but if i inspect a healing templar, and his gear is all stamina based and is wielding a restoration staff and he is my healer for dungeon, arent I morally obligated to say "hey bro what's going on with your gear, you said you were healing"?
No, for 2 reasons.
1. This example is begging the question: it presumes you're morally entitled to inspect another player in the first place. I have no problem with a "share build" function where a player could allow another player to see their build (you can already do that via chat anyway; it's just not efficient.) But if a player does not wish to share non-obvious details of their build, that is their right.
2. It also presumes you know their role and build better than they do. Your obvious example is obvious (way too obvious, in fact), but what if they have the gear you'd use with one variance, or two? At what level of divergence from your way of playing do you suddenly have the right or responsibility to criticize their playing choices?
You only get the right and responsibility to critique another player's choices when they ask for your critique.Edited by Blackhorne on August 31, 2015 2:21AM7 -
NGP✭✭✭Privacy, please.
You forgot something - its the Internet. You left your privacy after plugging in the ethernet cable/connecting to Wi-Fi. If someone is concerned about his/hers gear and skills as being private and solely for the use of the owner - remember that less important data like your photos, name, address, browsing history, passwords is being peeked at by people you will never meet or know.
One thing at a time. Now we're talking about gears. And I don't like other ppl to know.0 -
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✭Blackhorne wrote: »Why can't we inspect others?
You need to get to know them first,Taylor21554 wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »Yes, it is. Inspection brings the worst out in fanatical gamers. The rest of us will never be able to even PUG again if such a thing happens. Say goodbye to ANY kind of cooperation, which is kind of a good thing in MMOs, no?
Okay, but if i inspect a healing templar, and his gear is all stamina based and is wielding a restoration staff and he is my healer for dungeon, arent I morally obligated to say "hey bro what's going on with your gear, you said you were healing"?
No, for 2 reasons.
1. This example is begging the question: it presumes you're morally entitled to inspect another player in the first place. I have no problem with a "share build" function where a player could allow another player to see their build (you can already do that via chat anyway; it's just not efficient.) But if a player does not wish to share non-obvious details of their build, that is their right.
2. It also presumes you know their role and build better than they do. Your obvious example is obvious (way too obvious, in fact), but what if they have the gear you'd use with one variance, or two? At what level of divergence from your way of playing do you suddenly have the right or responsibility to criticize their playing choices?
You only get the right and responsibility to critique another player's choices when they ask for your critique.
LOL I can't believe you actually believe this. Yesterday I was looking for a group and one person messaged me and said they would run the dungeon with me. Added the person and she was lvl 5 and I said you really believe you can help in the dungeon at lvl 5? Her response was yes and she had to go that way to do quest for Undaunted. Well I laughed at her and removed her from group she then proceeded to say I was never in beta and have no idea how to play this game. thank God for ignore, sure glad they didn't remove that from the game.
This is only one reason why I would want inspect in the game but also my story shows the type of people we have in this game. It is sad really.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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Taylor21554✭✭Blackhorne wrote: »Why can't we inspect others?
You need to get to know them first! Take them out to dinner, etc.Taylor21554 wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »Yes, it is. Inspection brings the worst out in fanatical gamers. The rest of us will never be able to even PUG again if such a thing happens. Say goodbye to ANY kind of cooperation, which is kind of a good thing in MMOs, no?
Okay, but if i inspect a healing templar, and his gear is all stamina based and is wielding a restoration staff and he is my healer for dungeon, arent I morally obligated to say "hey bro what's going on with your gear, you said you were healing"?
No, for 2 reasons.
1. This example is begging the question: it presumes you're morally entitled to inspect another player in the first place. I have no problem with a "share build" function where a player could allow another player to see their build (you can already do that via chat anyway; it's just not efficient.) But if a player does not wish to share non-obvious details of their build, that is their right.
2. It also presumes you know their role and build better than they do. Your obvious example is obvious (way too obvious, in fact), but what if they have the gear you'd use with one variance, or two? At what level of divergence from your way of playing do you suddenly have the right or responsibility to criticize their playing choices?
You only get the right and responsibility to critique another player's choices when they ask for your critique.
Never said I was going to be critique'ing everyone but yeah just like how your seeing the bad in it, I'm seeibg the good it in. I just want to help them play better with the appropriate gear. now since I help them will be happier when they play and actually realize the game is fun because they're geared properlyso if someone ever told them that their gear sucked and they had no idea how they are playing was wrong they would probably eventually quit the game and vos would lose a game subscription and gain subscriptions mean money"help I've fallen,and I can't get up!"0 -
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Can I give you an example from DCUO, which has inspecting (as well as character details on the web). I'm going to share a story from DCUO.Blackhorne wrote: »Why can't we inspect others?
You need to get to know them first,Taylor21554 wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »Yes, it is. Inspection brings the worst out in fanatical gamers. The rest of us will never be able to even PUG again if such a thing happens. Say goodbye to ANY kind of cooperation, which is kind of a good thing in MMOs, no?
Okay, but if i inspect a healing templar, and his gear is all stamina based and is wielding a restoration staff and he is my healer for dungeon, arent I morally obligated to say "hey bro what's going on with your gear, you said you were healing"?
No, for 2 reasons.
1. This example is begging the question: it presumes you're morally entitled to inspect another player in the first place. I have no problem with a "share build" function where a player could allow another player to see their build (you can already do that via chat anyway; it's just not efficient.) But if a player does not wish to share non-obvious details of their build, that is their right.
2. It also presumes you know their role and build better than they do. Your obvious example is obvious (way too obvious, in fact), but what if they have the gear you'd use with one variance, or two? At what level of divergence from your way of playing do you suddenly have the right or responsibility to criticize their playing choices?
You only get the right and responsibility to critique another player's choices when they ask for your critique.
LOL I can't believe you actually believe this. Yesterday I was looking for a group and one person messaged me and said they would run the dungeon with me. Added the person and she was lvl 5 and I said you really believe you can help in the dungeon at lvl 5? Her response was yes and she had to go that way to do quest for Undaunted. Well I laughed at her and removed her from group she then proceeded to say I was never in beta and have no idea how to play this game. thank God for ignore, sure glad they didn't remove that from the game.
This is only one reason why I would want inspect in the game but also my story shows the type of people we have in this game. It is sad really.
In DCUO, instances are locked by Combat Rating (CR). Say a new episode is released, the minimum CR is 120, and from the gear obtainable in the new episode, the maximum possible CR is 131.
Within a few days, you'll see LFGs such as "Need healer for <NEW INSTANCE>......CR 131 only. No noobs".
The gist of it is, give the community a way to inspect and it'll be used to exclude.1 -
kuscoe✭✭✭Y'all keep bitching about elitism and *** but the fact of the matter is this...
A group of terribly geared players will either spend hours in a dungeon trying to complete it failing and getting frustrated with themselves and their team mates
A group of decently geared players (that have actually put thought into what they are wearing and their build) will spend a half hour in a dungeon possibly more depending on the dungeo. They might be challenged (again depending on the dungeon) but they will have fun because they wont be frustrated that people aren't "pulling their weight"
A group of Meta players will absolutely crush a dungeon and it will be fun and quick (can get repetitive however) they will do it with ease and they can move on to the next thing they would like to do
I don't see why anyone would want to have to suffer through a dungeon because your group is unable to complete it because they didn't put the time in to gear and understand their builds... I understand some of the privacy points of view but any other I do not see any othersEdited by kuscoe on August 31, 2015 2:50AM2 -
Eriquito3✭✭✭✭Because zos is so inovative and ahead of the curve in mmos. Hey man this is the same company that came up with the brilliant idea to remove text chat from consoles. They b really know what they are doing.
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Can I give you an example from DCUO, which has inspecting (as well as character details on the web). I'm going to share a story from DCUO.Blackhorne wrote: »Why can't we inspect others?
You need to get to know them first,Taylor21554 wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »Yes, it is. Inspection brings the worst out in fanatical gamers. The rest of us will never be able to even PUG again if such a thing happens. Say goodbye to ANY kind of cooperation, which is kind of a good thing in MMOs, no?
Okay, but if i inspect a healing templar, and his gear is all stamina based and is wielding a restoration staff and he is my healer for dungeon, arent I morally obligated to say "hey bro what's going on with your gear, you said you were healing"?
No, for 2 reasons.
1. This example is begging the question: it presumes you're morally entitled to inspect another player in the first place. I have no problem with a "share build" function where a player could allow another player to see their build (you can already do that via chat anyway; it's just not efficient.) But if a player does not wish to share non-obvious details of their build, that is their right.
2. It also presumes you know their role and build better than they do. Your obvious example is obvious (way too obvious, in fact), but what if they have the gear you'd use with one variance, or two? At what level of divergence from your way of playing do you suddenly have the right or responsibility to criticize their playing choices?
You only get the right and responsibility to critique another player's choices when they ask for your critique.
LOL I can't believe you actually believe this. Yesterday I was looking for a group and one person messaged me and said they would run the dungeon with me. Added the person and she was lvl 5 and I said you really believe you can help in the dungeon at lvl 5? Her response was yes and she had to go that way to do quest for Undaunted. Well I laughed at her and removed her from group she then proceeded to say I was never in beta and have no idea how to play this game. thank God for ignore, sure glad they didn't remove that from the game.
This is only one reason why I would want inspect in the game but also my story shows the type of people we have in this game. It is sad really.
In DCUO, instances are locked by Combat Rating (CR). Say a new episode is released, the minimum CR is 120, and from the gear obtainable in the new episode, the maximum possible CR is 131.
Within a few days, you'll see LFGs such as "Need healer for <NEW INSTANCE>......CR 131 only. No noobs".
The gist of it is, give the community a way to inspect and it'll be used to exclude.
Hate to tell ya this but this is the games we pick to play. Like it or not you will have people that act like you describe. But also you will have people that look at your gear and say, want me to help you get better gear/build. You will always have the good and bad in it but let us not take away what does help all of us in the game.
The good side for you guys ZoS hasn't really made a MMORPG here. Still haven't decided what we should call this game but it sure isn't like UO/EQ/WoW just to name 3.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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To a certain extent, I agree....it is the games we pick.
Can I give you an example from DCUO, which has inspecting (as well as character details on the web). I'm going to share a story from DCUO.Blackhorne wrote: »Why can't we inspect others?
You need to get to know them first,Taylor21554 wrote: »likelolwhat wrote: »Yes, it is. Inspection brings the worst out in fanatical gamers. The rest of us will never be able to even PUG again if such a thing happens. Say goodbye to ANY kind of cooperation, which is kind of a good thing in MMOs, no?
Okay, but if i inspect a healing templar, and his gear is all stamina based and is wielding a restoration staff and he is my healer for dungeon, arent I morally obligated to say "hey bro what's going on with your gear, you said you were healing"?
No, for 2 reasons.
1. This example is begging the question: it presumes you're morally entitled to inspect another player in the first place. I have no problem with a "share build" function where a player could allow another player to see their build (you can already do that via chat anyway; it's just not efficient.) But if a player does not wish to share non-obvious details of their build, that is their right.
2. It also presumes you know their role and build better than they do. Your obvious example is obvious (way too obvious, in fact), but what if they have the gear you'd use with one variance, or two? At what level of divergence from your way of playing do you suddenly have the right or responsibility to criticize their playing choices?
You only get the right and responsibility to critique another player's choices when they ask for your critique.
LOL I can't believe you actually believe this. Yesterday I was looking for a group and one person messaged me and said they would run the dungeon with me. Added the person and she was lvl 5 and I said you really believe you can help in the dungeon at lvl 5? Her response was yes and she had to go that way to do quest for Undaunted. Well I laughed at her and removed her from group she then proceeded to say I was never in beta and have no idea how to play this game. thank God for ignore, sure glad they didn't remove that from the game.
This is only one reason why I would want inspect in the game but also my story shows the type of people we have in this game. It is sad really.
In DCUO, instances are locked by Combat Rating (CR). Say a new episode is released, the minimum CR is 120, and from the gear obtainable in the new episode, the maximum possible CR is 131.
Within a few days, you'll see LFGs such as "Need healer for <NEW INSTANCE>......CR 131 only. No noobs".
The gist of it is, give the community a way to inspect and it'll be used to exclude.
Hate to tell ya this but this is the games we pick to play. Like it or not you will have people that act like you describe. But also you will have people that look at your gear and say, want me to help you get better gear/build. You will always have the good and bad in it but let us not take away what does help all of us in the game.
The good side for you guys ZoS hasn't really made a MMORPG here. Still haven't decided what we should call this game but it sure isn't like UO/EQ/WoW just to name 3.
But it's also the community....a group chooses to exclude based on gear / abilities / item color. The guy or gal excluded remembers what happened, and then when s/he finally gears up they exclude folk from their groups.
Pretty soon, it becomes the norm....and you end up in the DCUO space.
Bah...now I'm all turned around....I forget where I stood on this.
Oh...right. On face value I have no problems with inspection...but it will most likely lead to exclusion. I presented my DCUO example in response to they "Oh, L5? kick" story.3
