I play all classes. Yes, all of them. I have decent PvP ranks in all of them as well, and it keeps gaining. My Templar being my lowest PvP rank, but I played BwB with her, and dedicated her to VDSA after she got to vr14.

My opinion on NB cloak (and yes, I play Sorc as a main) is that it is unreliable. My final conclusion in it is that it is powerful, yes, but easily countered. The past month or so of playing NB has shown me this. While I am excited for certain things being fixed about cloak, I find that it will still be easily countered. It doesn't need a nerf. NB doesn't have a class shield, it doesn't have reliable burst heals. The difference between using a healing ward on a NB and using one on a Sorc is that a Sorc can cover it up with hardened ward and get a solid heal. As a nb I must cast it and hope that someone doesn't hit me through my cloak and damage my ward, or hit me before i can cloak, so that I just might get a solid heal. Yes, I can use Swallow Soul and get a bit of a heal from that, but a magicka NB is truly the squishiest and hardest to master spec in this game that I have played to this point in time. (I play magicka builds purely, I specialize in them, so I am only talking magicka here). While I do hit hard, and can kill efficiently, I sacrifice survivability for this. As do all magicka NBs. It is a very powerful way to play, but it has its drawbacks. Many, many drawbacks. The reason why I feel cloak is fine is for this reason. There IS survival being sacrificed as a NB in return for a possible escape and for good damage.

I don't think anyone should be screaming for nerfs until we allow 1.7 to play out for a couple of months. Just because Sorcs received a Bolt Escape nerf does not mean Sorcs should grab their pitchforks and try to nerf everything they don't like to the ground in return. The Bolt Escape nerf has been heavy and overdone, I agree, but I still think it will be more reliable and strategic than NB cloak.

Just an opinion from someone who has played everything, tested all classes in magicka specs, and will continue to do so.

Cloak in the imperial city is beyond broken, bro. You can shed all aggro at will, exit and enter combat at will, dictate when and where you will fight etc etc etc. With the nerf to detect pots, you should probably have a giant steamy hot cup of STFU.

You know. I'm a sorc player, and very admittedly so, however I really don't want to see cloak nerfed. The shadow image and cloak combo is really great and it's definately the best escape mechanism in game. But that's what makes it fun, I don't want NB's to not be able to vanish, I think it is stupid if I'm charging at them with a gap closer or using an aoe and they can poof, but I don't want to see it nerfed. Unfortunately @Dracane I think they should be able to use it as an escape tool, and if anything I think it should be effective.

From what I can tell, if you're a NB right now and you are having escape problems, from my little NB experience on the Pts, I'm totally convinced you are just trolling the forums. Sorry, despite your arguments, if they fix it, there won't really be a solid counter to Cloak, there are lots of round about things, but nothing solid.

I think that NB's are complaining on a thread about cloak, about sorcerer mechanics, is concerning. Bolt escape is dead, why does anyone disagree, I'm spending a lot of time on both sides of that and can assure you it's what it is... Dead. Let's move on and leave it for a different thread.

Well, i do have a baby vampire NB, and when i come into vet pvp with a basic stuff/build, i was surprised how easy is it to move between ennemies lines, choice my target and bam ! Kill him with 3 abilities : tp strike + concelled weapon + death stroke ans then cloak as fast as a lil horse.

I die more with my vet14 templar or my vet8 sorcerer in pvp than with my baby NB. I am not mad about it, NB are op, sorcerers are op. I have both, and when i'll want to have some real challenge i go Cyrodil with my templar

Dracane wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.

Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.

As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.

I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.

I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.

I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.

You don't need piercing mark. Like he said use radiant mags light. Stop being unwilling to lower your offensive godliness

Radiant Magelight is useless. The radius is too small
You can catch Noob Nightblades, but not good Nightblade who want to escape.
Fix Revealing flare, make it reliable and the problem might be solved.

First off, 12m range isn't "too small". If anything I'd say it's balanced. Second, it prevents you from getting cc'ed from stealth and reduces the damage of stealth attacks by 50%! That's massive. Also it is the same range as a detect pot. They nerfed detect pot from 43 seconds, which NEVER should have happened to 13.4 seconds( or something) BASE TIME. If you have the Medicinal Use passive in Alchemy, which by the way is stupid easy to get it bumps it to like 16 seconds or something, which is plenty of time of detection, along with being able to replenish magicka, increasing magicka regen, or health. So I have no clue why the hell people are crying over something that was COMPLETELY countering a huge part of a class, almost no matter the playstyle being toned down to be balanced.

Thirdly you should get you facts straight and probably ask or test things yourself before spouting off about things you clearly have no idea about. I mean do you or have you ever even played a nightblade? Also from your previous comments I gather you main a sorcerer? Which is by far the funniest thing that you are complaining about any class, particularly about nightblades. You have first off the EASIEST class to play. Including the easiest class to kill a nightblade. Especially a stam nightblade. But to go back to the point of this paragraph, Revealing Flare. Revealing Flare, DOES NOT PULL NIGHTBLADES OUT OF CLOAK. IT NEVER HAS. It's used to find mass groups of people sitting in stealth, not cloak and prevents them from being able to go stealth again. NOT CLOAKING. Do you even play this game bro? Seriously.

I reiterate, before you go spouting about things, you should probably do your research, l2p, and or actually play what you're claiming to be OP and find out the ins and outs of it before you start making ridiculous claims.

No but really, you're a sorc? l2p

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.

Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.

As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.

I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.

I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.

I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.

You don't need piercing mark. Like he said use radiant mags light. Stop being unwilling to lower your offensive godliness

Radiant Magelight is useless. The radius is too small
You can catch Noob Nightblades, but not good Nightblade who want to escape.
Fix Revealing flare, make it reliable and the problem might be solved.

First off, 12m range isn't "too small". If anything I'd say it's balanced. Second, it prevents you from getting cc'ed from stealth and reduces the damage of stealth attacks by 50%! That's massive. Also it is the same range as a detect pot. They nerfed detect pot from 43 seconds, which NEVER should have happened to 13.4 seconds( or something) BASE TIME. If you have the Medicinal Use passive in Alchemy, which by the way is stupid easy to get it bumps it to like 16 seconds or something, which is plenty of time of detection, along with being able to replenish magicka, increasing magicka regen, or health. So I have no clue why the hell people are crying over something that was COMPLETELY countering a huge part of a class, almost no matter the playstyle being toned down to be balanced.

Thirdly you should get you facts straight and probably ask or test things yourself before spouting off about things you clearly have no idea about. I mean do you or have you ever even played a nightblade? Also from your previous comments I gather you main a sorcerer? Which is by far the funniest thing that you are complaining about any class, particularly about nightblades. You have first off the EASIEST class to play. Including the easiest class to kill a nightblade. Especially a stam nightblade. But to go back to the point of this paragraph, Revealing Flare. Revealing Flare, DOES NOT PULL NIGHTBLADES OUT OF CLOAK. IT NEVER HAS. It's used to find mass groups of people sitting in stealth, not cloak and prevents them from being able to go stealth again. NOT CLOAKING. Do you even play this game bro? Seriously.

I reiterate, before you go spouting about things, you should probably do your research, l2p, and or actually play what you're claiming to be OP and find out the ins and outs of it before you start making ridiculous claims.

No but really, you're a sorc? l2p

10 seconds is the base duration, not 13, magelight and detection potions do not have the same radius. Yes, I'm playing a NIghtblade and finally, I'm no bro.
And I agree with you, people should get their facts straight, including you. So many wrong informations in 1 text...

And I also agree, 40 seconds detection potion was too good. But reducing it to 10s (or 13 with passives) is a bit overnerfed in my opinion.

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.

Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.

As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.

I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.

I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.

I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.

You don't need piercing mark. Like he said use radiant mags light. Stop being unwilling to lower your offensive godliness

Radiant Magelight is useless. The radius is too small
You can catch Noob Nightblades, but not good Nightblade who want to escape.
Fix Revealing flare, make it reliable and the problem might be solved.

First off, 12m range isn't "too small". If anything I'd say it's balanced. Second, it prevents you from getting cc'ed from stealth and reduces the damage of stealth attacks by 50%! That's massive. Also it is the same range as a detect pot. They nerfed detect pot from 43 seconds, which NEVER should have happened to 13.4 seconds( or something) BASE TIME. If you have the Medicinal Use passive in Alchemy, which by the way is stupid easy to get it bumps it to like 16 seconds or something, which is plenty of time of detection, along with being able to replenish magicka, increasing magicka regen, or health. So I have no clue why the hell people are crying over something that was COMPLETELY countering a huge part of a class, almost no matter the playstyle being toned down to be balanced.

Thirdly you should get you facts straight and probably ask or test things yourself before spouting off about things you clearly have no idea about. I mean do you or have you ever even played a nightblade? Also from your previous comments I gather you main a sorcerer? Which is by far the funniest thing that you are complaining about any class, particularly about nightblades. You have first off the EASIEST class to play. Including the easiest class to kill a nightblade. Especially a stam nightblade. But to go back to the point of this paragraph, Revealing Flare. Revealing Flare, DOES NOT PULL NIGHTBLADES OUT OF CLOAK. IT NEVER HAS. It's used to find mass groups of people sitting in stealth, not cloak and prevents them from being able to go stealth again. NOT CLOAKING. Do you even play this game bro? Seriously.

I reiterate, before you go spouting about things, you should probably do your research, l2p, and or actually play what you're claiming to be OP and find out the ins and outs of it before you start making ridiculous claims.

No but really, you're a sorc? l2p

10 seconds is the base duration, not 13, magelight and detection potions do not have the same radius. Yes, I'm playing a NIghtblade and finally, I'm no bro.
And I agree with you, people should get their facts straight, including you. So many wrong informations in 1 text...

And I also agree, 40 seconds detection potion was too good. But reducing it to 10s (or 13 with passives) is a bit overnerfed in my opinion.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/208417/pts-patch-notes-v2-1-2/p1

Ctrl+F, type potions.

Crafting & Economy
General

Reduced the maximum duration (before passives) for detection potions to 12.5 seconds from 43 seconds, as they previously proved too effective to foil any means of stealth.

YOU WERE SAYING BRO!?!?!?!??!?! Honestly, you need to also l2read patch notes as well as l2p the game. xD

Please refute this. You and anyone else saying it was only 10 seconds. I DON'T SEE THE NUMBER 10 ANYWHERE IN THE PATCH NOTES FOR DETECT POTIONS.

Oh father tell me, why do I have to face people like him every day.

You know nothing about me and nothing about the game. Unlike you, I'm playing it and I'm playing on the pts and see what Mama Dracane brought home today, a cute liddle picture.
You should stop reading non sense and should start testing things yourself. And now do me a favor, and stop bothering me with your wrong informations.

This is an average detection potion. First picture without the Alchemy passive and 2nd one with all 3 points spent.

Xeven wrote: »

lol @EatUrNumNumz. You just got owned son.

He might be right though. It could be, that detection potions crafted with vr16 water could have a base duration of 12,5 seconds. But seriously, who cares for a few laughable seconds ?

However, nothing can change the fact, that he is floating everything with wrong informations. Because he has no actual knowledge as it seems and still he is attacking me and is trying to tell me I'm wrong, even though he is wrong at the same time. I just.... can't omg !

Someone remind me what was the duration of detect pots prior to 1.6?

Xeven wrote: »

true. if we want to get all technical, it would be v15 water. Regardless, 15 seconds out of every minute youll be able to see a NB, the rest of the time they'll be playing peekaboo online. NBs were just handed the IC.

Yes and detection potions limit your ressource management by a lot. At the moment, detection potions aren't worth it anyway.

But it's pointless, too many Nightblade player protecting cloak. You can bring whatever argument you want, they will call you a l2p issue, liar and what not. No chance to have a reasonable conversation and especially no trace of insight. And it's getting worse probably. Nightblades will be even stronger than on live and more and more players will reroll Nightblade, making it even harder to come up with such things.

Dracane wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

if you run detect pot to get there wherabouts, then you can lock onto their position in that time. you can then use aoe, magelight, etc to keep them out of stealth. for instance, detect pot, mage light, gap closer, attack gap closer, attack, etc. or detect pot, gap closer, aoe, gap closer aoe. etc. running around non-vet lvling my toons pvp rank you get used to combos like that b/c you only have low level detect pots to work with. I mean if non-vet newbies can do it, then im sure you guys can accomplish it

Yes, I can catch Noob Nightblades.

This except you wont catch them in IC. They'll cloak up and nuthug a pack of mean ass daedra.

I play 2 nightblades, but I don't use cloak a whole lot. I also don't usually use piercing mark outside of duels. I don't have trouble revealing stealth nightblades on live with caltrops or steel tornado, and on PTS sap is usually enough to catch melee nightblades that are trying to get away from me.

That said, on my magicka nightblade, I could cloak across cyrodiil if I wanted to, and that's maybe a little much. A spam cost increase sounds pretty crappy, but I'd be on board with no magicka regen while cloaked.

AnteCoyote wrote: »

I play 2 nightblades, but I don't use cloak a whole lot. I also don't usually use piercing mark outside of duels. I don't have trouble revealing stealth nightblades on live with caltrops or steel tornado, and on PTS sap is usually enough to catch melee nightblades that are trying to get away from me.

That said, on my magicka nightblade, I could cloak across cyrodiil if I wanted to, and that's maybe a little much. A spam cost increase sounds pretty crappy, but I'd be on board with no magicka regen while cloaked.

Thanks for the unbiased post. I just want to add that caltrops and steel tornado will get you killed in the IC. It is literally walltowall daedra. Everywhere. I can no longer use strong detect pots or boundless storm to give me a fighting chance, which is why cloak buffs on top of IC are so concerning.

Xeven wrote: »

AnteCoyote wrote: »

I play 2 nightblades, but I don't use cloak a whole lot. I also don't usually use piercing mark outside of duels. I don't have trouble revealing stealth nightblades on live with caltrops or steel tornado, and on PTS sap is usually enough to catch melee nightblades that are trying to get away from me.

That said, on my magicka nightblade, I could cloak across cyrodiil if I wanted to, and that's maybe a little much. A spam cost increase sounds pretty crappy, but I'd be on board with no magicka regen while cloaked.

Thanks for the unbiased post. I just want to add that caltrops and steel tornado will get you killed in the IC. It is literally walltowall daedra. Everywhere. I can no longer use strong detect pots or boundless storm to give me a fighting chance, which is why cloak buffs on top of IC are so concerning.

correction. cloak fixes. you realize once they fix cloak then they can start talking about nerfs right. how do you nerf a broken ability? cant give it BE treatment. cant give it increased cost. the best Idea i have heard out of anyone is the no regen while cloaked. this still allows nb to be able to use it 2 or 3 times just to get it to work while giveing a reasonable nerf to prevent over use. I love it.