Shadow Cloak

EatUrNumNumz

Since the last pts patch I haven't been able to test at all, but can anyone confirm? Have our prayers been answered? Have they finally FIXED shadow cloak, that's been not working as intended since beta? Does it finally no longer break from heavy attacks or gap closers as the patch notes have claimed for the 5th time?

Dracane

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

Yakidafi

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

EatUrNumNumz

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.

Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.

As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

Yup with all the counters to cloak its a L2P issue for her now, sorry, maybe you should slot Radiant Magelight instead of Inner Light if you are having such Nightblade issues... oh wait that would mean you would give up spell crit' and more Magicka for your abilities, can't have that now can we..

Sentinel

Well, ZOS fixed cloak against certain abilities from players, and those now actually dont break cloak anymore, but every other skill not mentioned in the patch notes that can break it, will still break it. NPCs will still break it with their attacks/presence, they were not fixed.

Xeniph

Some of the things are fixed. From my testing Cloak is better regarding gap closers, so that bug seems to be fixed.

However, one thing I noticed is mobs that are immune to cloak now pull you out once agro'd. Cloak fails repeatedly while they are chasing you, screwing you over from getting away from players/adds that are not immune. Which is not how it has ever worked. So I am uncertain if it's an intended change, or a new bug.

I have lost all faith they even know how to fix it.

Dracane

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.

Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.

As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.

I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.

I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.

I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.

Xael

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

It's not op, not even close.
No amount of paragraphs or essay responses is going to change that.
There are potions and skills that shut cloak down. Slot RML, problem solved.

The_Boze

I play all classes, and with a Templar being my main. With cloak being a Nightblades only real defense I think cloak is fine where it is at. I see so many nerf this and nerf that on these forums, but no one ever says how it should be nerfed or balanced. Well @Dracane how do you suppose with adjust cloak so it is not "OP"? (even thou I do not believe it is.) Keep in mind you have to adjust it so you do not take away the NBs only means of actual defense.

Draehl

Obligatory "nerf cloak if you want, but non-assassin nightblades need compensation elsewhere" mention. I'm so tired of hearing all of this griping directed at "nightblades" when the problem is only very specifically burst builds. Have you guys considered that maybe the out of control burst is more of an issue?

Dracane

The_Boze wrote: »

I play all classes, and with a Templar being my main. With cloak being a Nightblades only real defense I think cloak is fine where it is at. I see so many nerf this and nerf that on these forums, but no one ever says how it should be nerfed or balanced. Well @Dracane how do you suppose with adjust cloak so it is not "OP"? (even thou I do not believe it is.) Keep in mind you have to adjust it so you do not take away the NBs only means of actual defense.

You either give a reliable counter or give it the same threatment as bolt escape, or mistform.
I guess, many of you don't like the 2nd solution Neither do I to be honest, because this might not help adjusting the main problem with Cloak, the high escape chance without a chance to track them.

This counter should be revealing flare. Again, detection potions are no longer a counter, nobody wants to trade a 13 seconds detection for ressource restore every 40 seconds. And Magelights range is way too short to keep up with the high speed of cloaked Nightblades.
So I would like to see some changes to revealing flare:

+It should loose its animation. The travel time of the projectile is still way too long to make it reliable. It must instantly apply as soon as I cast it. This will not be enough to make it work everytime, but this makes it controleable and definately more reliable.

+Another idea me and someone else ( I think it was @DDuke , correct if I'm wrong honey)
Is to give an effect to Revealing flare, that is similar to the Daedra and Undead detection of Evil Hunter. But not if you have it slotted, but if you activate it to get this AoE aim circle. As soon as you activate this, a tiny, almost invisible shine will be added to the invisible target, to help aiming with flare.

The_Boze

I wouldn't mind the same thing that happened to streak happen to cloak. Because it would cut back on the players that just stay permanently cloaked due to CPs and extremely high Magicka regen. I support that change1 (Althought that could be because when I play my NB I usually only go cloack>Double take>cloak then by then I have LOS and can just kneel. My main use for cloak is the stun from veiled strike and its morphs as I don't really use fear on him.So that is probably why I am one of the few that has no problem with that change.

I also do believe revealing flare should be a reliable counter to cloak, but not one that is so strong it completely eliminates the NBs chance to get away. I like your idea of it giving a faint glint of where they are. I would not even be opposed of a morph that has a very large radius that shows you where the NB was when you cast it. This would help be able to find out where they are going, as well as provide a good defense to gankers for your group. I don't think it should pull them out of cloak if they are using cloak. But pull them out if they are only crouching. So I guess in short have the morph so it leaves say a shadow image of the NB that is cloaking and pulls someone crouching out of stealth.

@Dracane your thoughts?

Dracane

The_Boze wrote: »

I wouldn't mind the same thing that happened to streak happen to cloak. Because it would cut back on the players that just stay permanently cloaked due to CPs and extremely high Magicka regen. I support that change1 (Althought that could be because when I play my NB I usually only go cloack>Double take>cloak then by then I have LOS and can just kneel. My main use for cloak is the stun from veiled strike and its morphs as I don't really use fear on him.So that is probably why I am one of the few that has no problem with that change.

I also do believe revealing flare should be a reliable counter to cloak, but not one that is so strong it completely eliminates the NBs chance to get away. I like your idea of it giving a faint glint of where they are. I would not even be opposed of a morph that has a very large radius that shows you where the NB was when you cast it. This would help be able to find out where they are going, as well as provide a good defense to gankers for your group. I don't think it should pull them out of cloak if they are using cloak. But pull them out if they are only crouching. So I guess in short have the morph so it leaves say a shadow image of the NB that is cloaking and pulls someone crouching out of stealth.

@Dracane your thoughts?

It's a hard choice. Hands down, the Bolt Escape treatment is disgusting and mean. I don't want anyone else to suffer the same way as Sorcerers. This penalty is mean...
But that's how they want to prevent Sorcerers from using it as an escape. (so funny, the name should be edited) Maybe this same treatment should happen to Cloak.

But look at the giant Nightblade player base. They will unify and start 1000 threads about it and Zenimax will revert it anyway.
Revealing flare should counter cloak and should destroy cloak and prevent them from using it again.

Xeniph

Dracane wrote: »

The_Boze wrote: »

I play all classes, and with a Templar being my main. With cloak being a Nightblades only real defense I think cloak is fine where it is at. I see so many nerf this and nerf that on these forums, but no one ever says how it should be nerfed or balanced. Well @Dracane how do you suppose with adjust cloak so it is not "OP"? (even thou I do not believe it is.) Keep in mind you have to adjust it so you do not take away the NBs only means of actual defense.

You either give a reliable counter or give it the same threatment as bolt escape, or mistform.
I guess, many of you don't like the 2nd solution Neither do I to be honest, because this might not help adjusting the main problem with Cloak, the high escape chance without a chance to track them.

This counter should be revealing flare. Again, detection potions are no longer a counter, nobody wants to trade a 13 seconds detection for ressource restore every 40 seconds. And Magelights range is way too short to keep up with the high speed of cloaked Nightblades.
So I would like to see some changes to revealing flare:

+It should loose its animation. The travel time of the projectile is still way too long to make it reliable. It must instantly apply as soon as I cast it. This will not be enough to make it work everytime, but this makes it controleable and definately more reliable.

+Another idea me and someone else ( I think it was @DDuke , correct if I'm wrong honey)
Is to give an effect to Revealing flare, that is similar to the Daedra and Undead detection of Evil Hunter. But not if you have it slotted, but if you activate it to get this AoE aim circle. As soon as you activate this, a tiny, almost invisible shine will be added to the invisible target, to help aiming with flare.

The potion nerf was needed. 45 seconds is way too long and everyone who is being objective knew it. The now 13ish duration (with passives) negates 4.5 (rounded up from 4.48) casts of cloak. The average cost of cloak is 2700-3400 magicka. Are you telling me that costing a player 12150-15300 magicka is useless? It's certainly situational but by no means is it useless.

Now addressing your escape combo. Shade+Cloak will cost in the neighborhood of 4000-5700 magicka, assuming Cloak wasn't needed multiple times. Your average stamina NB sports around 9k magicka, that's a very significant amount of magicka. Which is why you rarely see stamina NB even use shades. How do you propose you would balance it to remain useful to them?

If ANYONE is having issues finding and keeping up with a Stamina NB, it IS a L2P issue.
If you are having issues finding and keeping up with a magicka NB, it is a L2counter issue.

I'll explain just one counter to a Magicka NB's use of shades+cloak. Drop an aoe on his shade, flare in this patch (not the burning morph) is amazing. Drink that useless potion use RML, or streak(or any combination) and kick his arse. Every time he drops a shade, drop a flare, simple.

I play all 4 classes, in both resource builds, and I can tell you confidently that if a NB gets away from me I was either otherwise engaged or had no interest in chasing him. Period. Then again I use RML on my gap closer bar on every class I play and don't bother with potions for defense, but use them offensively on my magicka NB.

By all means though, for everyone complaining, continue. It's mildly entertaining.

Edit- As a side note, all my magicka specs can maintain 3 Lingering Flares, whilst dpsing, to provide me a VERY large area of stealth denial on the pts.

Xeniph

Dracane wrote: »

The_Boze wrote: »

I wouldn't mind the same thing that happened to streak happen to cloak. Because it would cut back on the players that just stay permanently cloaked due to CPs and extremely high Magicka regen. I support that change1 (Althought that could be because when I play my NB I usually only go cloack>Double take>cloak then by then I have LOS and can just kneel. My main use for cloak is the stun from veiled strike and its morphs as I don't really use fear on him.So that is probably why I am one of the few that has no problem with that change.

I also do believe revealing flare should be a reliable counter to cloak, but not one that is so strong it completely eliminates the NBs chance to get away. I like your idea of it giving a faint glint of where they are. I would not even be opposed of a morph that has a very large radius that shows you where the NB was when you cast it. This would help be able to find out where they are going, as well as provide a good defense to gankers for your group. I don't think it should pull them out of cloak if they are using cloak. But pull them out if they are only crouching. So I guess in short have the morph so it leaves say a shadow image of the NB that is cloaking and pulls someone crouching out of stealth.

@Dracane your thoughts?

It's a hard choice. Hands down, the Bolt Escape treatment is disgusting and mean. I don't want anyone else to suffer the same way as Sorcerers. This penalty is mean...
But that's how they want to prevent Sorcerers from using it as an escape. (so funny, the name should be edited) Maybe this same treatment should happen to Cloak.

But look at the giant Nightblade player base. They will unify and start 1000 threads about it and Zenimax will revert it anyway.
Revealing flare should counter cloak and should destroy cloak and prevent them from using it again.

I would gladly take that change. However it would have to work every time I cast it, like Bolt Escape. They would also have to remove all counters already in place, like Bolt Escape.I would then laugh at all the tears that would flow afterwards.

BE/Cloak are not the same skills, nor do they even remotely operate the same way. But I would be game for this change if they treated cloak exactly like BE.

Dracane

Xeniph wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The_Boze wrote: »

I play all classes, and with a Templar being my main. With cloak being a Nightblades only real defense I think cloak is fine where it is at. I see so many nerf this and nerf that on these forums, but no one ever says how it should be nerfed or balanced. Well @Dracane how do you suppose with adjust cloak so it is not "OP"? (even thou I do not believe it is.) Keep in mind you have to adjust it so you do not take away the NBs only means of actual defense.

You either give a reliable counter or give it the same threatment as bolt escape, or mistform.
I guess, many of you don't like the 2nd solution Neither do I to be honest, because this might not help adjusting the main problem with Cloak, the high escape chance without a chance to track them.

This counter should be revealing flare. Again, detection potions are no longer a counter, nobody wants to trade a 13 seconds detection for ressource restore every 40 seconds. And Magelights range is way too short to keep up with the high speed of cloaked Nightblades.
So I would like to see some changes to revealing flare:

+It should loose its animation. The travel time of the projectile is still way too long to make it reliable. It must instantly apply as soon as I cast it. This will not be enough to make it work everytime, but this makes it controleable and definately more reliable.

+Another idea me and someone else ( I think it was @DDuke , correct if I'm wrong honey)
Is to give an effect to Revealing flare, that is similar to the Daedra and Undead detection of Evil Hunter. But not if you have it slotted, but if you activate it to get this AoE aim circle. As soon as you activate this, a tiny, almost invisible shine will be added to the invisible target, to help aiming with flare.

The potion nerf was needed. 45 seconds is way too long and everyone who is being objective knew it. The now 13ish duration (with passives) negates 4.5 (rounded up from 4.48) casts of cloak. The average cost of cloak is 2700-3400 magicka. Are you telling me that costing a player 12150-15300 magicka is useless? It's certainly situational but by no means is it useless.

Now addressing your escape combo. Shade+Cloak will cost in the neighborhood of 4000-5700 magicka, assuming Cloak wasn't needed multiple times. Your average stamina NB sports around 9k magicka, that's a very significant amount of magicka. Which is why you rarely see stamina NB even use shades. How do you propose you would balance it to remain useful to them?

If ANYONE is having issues finding and keeping up with a Stamina NB, it IS a L2P issue.
If you are having issues finding and keeping up with a magicka NB, it is a L2counter issue.

I'll explain just one counter to a Magicka NB's use of shades+cloak. Drop an aoe on his shade, flare in this patch (not the burning morph) is amazing. Drink that useless potion use RML, or streak(or any combination) and kick his arse. Every time he drops a shade, drop a flare, simple.

I play all 4 classes, in both resource builds, and I can tell you confidently that if a NB gets away from me I was either otherwise engaged or had no interest in chasing him. Period. Then again I use RML on my gap closer bar on every class I play and don't bother with potions for defense, but use them offensively on my magicka NB.

By all means though, for everyone complaining, continue. It's mildly entertaining.

Edit- As a side note, all my magicka specs can maintain 3 Lingering Flares, whilst dpsing, to provide me a VERY large area of stealth denial on the pts.

Of course, 40 seconds duration was too long. But 13 seconds is way too short.
And I'm sure your numbers are taken from a stamina Nightblade ? I'm worried about Magicka Nightblades, who can stay cloaked forever.

Ryuho

Sorry never thought i would defend nb class... but after playing more my nb on live, and now during PTS.. I agree with all what ppls wrote above.. Mark target/flare/Lightning armor/Magelight/Det pots/Aoes.. there are so so many counters to cloak, it should stay as it is now for sure!! + fixes naturally

Stravokov

everyone is up in arms now over shadow cloak since IC was announce. prior too, no one thought it was OP. so many ways to counter it as before, nothing has changed. if anything it will be be easier to pull Nightblades out of cloak in IC considering it is a more confined area with available counters (Mark target/flare/Lightning armor/Magelight/Det pots/Aoes).

stop crying already.

Dracane

Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

Xael

Dracane wrote: »

Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

byrom101b16_ESO

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

No it's the penalty for PvP'ing against NBs - they can use whatever useful restoring or boosting potion they want, and the rest of us have to use a potion that locks us out of resource regeneration for more than enough time to decide the fight, and more importantly, for far longer than it lasts...

Lame...

byrom101b16_ESO

Stravokov wrote: »

everyone is up in arms now over shadow cloak since IC was announce. prior too, no one thought it was OP. so many ways to counter it as before, nothing has changed. if anything it will be be easier to pull Nightblades out of cloak in IC considering it is a more confined area with available counters (Mark target/flare/Lightning armor/Magelight/Det pots/Aoes).

stop crying already.

Wrong - you need to get into IC and see how wrong for yourself...

Dracane

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

It shows nothing. It shows that you try to bring invalid arguments. Seriously, if a 6 meter AoE knocks you out of cloak, then you're really really slow. If you can't manage to run 12 meters with speed buff and then cloak, then you're also very slow.

There is no good counter to cloak if you use it to escape.

Xael

Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

It shows nothing. It shows that you try to bring invalid arguments. Seriously, if a 6 meter AoE knocks you out of cloak, then you're really really slow. If you can't manage to run 12 meters with speed buff and then cloak, then you're also very slow.

There is no good counter to cloak if you use it to escape.

Hang on a second... a 12m constant vision against sneak and ALL sorcs have Boundless Storm? You are joking right? I am a Sorc guy... where are my "NB are OP" or "Cloak is OP" threads? Unlike you I actually PvP all the time, particularly on PTS. Where is my threads talking about OP cloak? Oh wait, they don't exist, I play with a counter for cloak. Oops.

Dracane

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

It shows nothing. It shows that you try to bring invalid arguments. Seriously, if a 6 meter AoE knocks you out of cloak, then you're really really slow. If you can't manage to run 12 meters with speed buff and then cloak, then you're also very slow.

There is no good counter to cloak if you use it to escape.

Hang on a second... a 12m constant vision against sneak and ALL sorcs have Boundless Storm? You are joking right? I am a Sorc guy... where are my "NB are OP" or "Cloak is OP" threads? Unlike you I actually PvP all the time, particularly on PTS. Where is my threads talking about OP cloak? Oh wait, they don't exist, I play with a counter for cloak. Oops.

You are a Nightblade and no real Sorcerer. Might telling me the range of Boundless storm ? Seems like you think it's 12 meters.

It's mean to make assumptions about you without even knowing it, right ? So how dare you doing this ? I'm pvping every day pretty much all the time when I'm at home. You know nothing about me but still make wild assumptions. There is no point in talking to you. You never come up with valid points or suggestions. You're no help at all, just one of thousand Nightblade defenders who tries to taunt people with invalid counters to cloak.

Xael

Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

It shows nothing. It shows that you try to bring invalid arguments. Seriously, if a 6 meter AoE knocks you out of cloak, then you're really really slow. If you can't manage to run 12 meters with speed buff and then cloak, then you're also very slow.

There is no good counter to cloak if you use it to escape.

Hang on a second... a 12m constant vision against sneak and ALL sorcs have Boundless Storm? You are joking right? I am a Sorc guy... where are my "NB are OP" or "Cloak is OP" threads? Unlike you I actually PvP all the time, particularly on PTS. Where is my threads talking about OP cloak? Oh wait, they don't exist, I play with a counter for cloak. Oops.

You are a Nightblade and no real Sorcerer. Might telling me the range of Boundless storm ? Seems like you think it's 12 meters.

It's mean to make assumptions about you without even knowing it, right ? So how dare you doing this ? I'm pvping every day pretty much all the time when I'm at home. You know nothing about me but still make wild assumptions. There is no point in talking to you. You never come up with valid points or suggestions. You're no help at all, just one of thousand Nightblade defenders who tries to taunt people with invalid counters to cloak.

I make assumptions?
You just told me im not a real Sorc. Rofl...
I have 3... 2 of which are Stam and I PvP regularly on PTS with both Magicka and Stam.
What does the range of Boundless Storm have to do with anything. 12m is Radiant Magelight which is like having a detect pot on at all times and stops stun from sneak attack and reduces the dmg by 50% while also giving Crit % buff. Boundless Storm gives you a speed boost for 7.5 seconds and allows you to chase down any NB trying to get out of range. If that fails, you still have Streak... No wild assumptions here. I know all this because I actually play the game and PvP enough to know it works.

Again, show me where I am wrong. You are completely out of touch with reality.
Regarding assumptions being mean, perhaps you should stop doing it. Almost every "nerf OP ability/class" post of yours is laden with it. Not to mention you telling me I am a nightblade/NB sympathizer and not a Sorc. No, I am just not stubborn and quick to call nerf when I don't understand how things work. There is a difference.

Dracane

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

It shows nothing. It shows that you try to bring invalid arguments. Seriously, if a 6 meter AoE knocks you out of cloak, then you're really really slow. If you can't manage to run 12 meters with speed buff and then cloak, then you're also very slow.

There is no good counter to cloak if you use it to escape.

Hang on a second... a 12m constant vision against sneak and ALL sorcs have Boundless Storm? You are joking right? I am a Sorc guy... where are my "NB are OP" or "Cloak is OP" threads? Unlike you I actually PvP all the time, particularly on PTS. Where is my threads talking about OP cloak? Oh wait, they don't exist, I play with a counter for cloak. Oops.

You are a Nightblade and no real Sorcerer. Might telling me the range of Boundless storm ? Seems like you think it's 12 meters.

It's mean to make assumptions about you without even knowing it, right ? So how dare you doing this ? I'm pvping every day pretty much all the time when I'm at home. You know nothing about me but still make wild assumptions. There is no point in talking to you. You never come up with valid points or suggestions. You're no help at all, just one of thousand Nightblade defenders who tries to taunt people with invalid counters to cloak.

I make assumptions?
You just told me im not a real Sorc. Rofl...
I have 3... 2 of which are Stam and I PvP regularly on PTS with both Magicka and Stam.
What does the range of Boundless Storm have to do with anything. 12m is Radiant Magelight which is like having a detect pot on at all times and stops stun from sneak attack and reduces the dmg by 50% while also giving Crit % buff. Boundless Storm gives you a speed boost for 7.5 seconds and allows you to chase down any NB trying to get out of range. If that fails, you still have Streak... No wild assumptions here. I know all this because I actually play the game and PvP enough to know it works.

Again, show me where I am wrong. You are completely out of touch with reality.
Regarding assumptions being mean, perhaps you should stop doing it. Almost every "nerf OP ability/class" post of yours is laden with it. Not to mention you telling me I am a nightblade/NB sympathizer and not a Sorc. No, I am just not stubborn and quick to call nerf when I don't understand how things work. There is a difference.

You are a NIghtblade Sympathizer, why do you even fight it ?
I'm fine with it, I like it when people fight for something. But you should be honest at least.

Okay let me place shadow twin and let me port to it from max range. I will cloak, run in a random direction. You can come with your mage light and streak as often as you want. Well.... you cannot actually. You will be out of Magicka after a few casts. While I'll be gone and you can come with whatever counter you like. Be it a 6 meter radius AoE, a 12 meter radius light or a potion. Nothing will help you finding me

All it takes is a simple tactic and cloak is a promised escape without a penalty and without a counter.

Xael

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Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

It shows nothing. It shows that you try to bring invalid arguments. Seriously, if a 6 meter AoE knocks you out of cloak, then you're really really slow. If you can't manage to run 12 meters with speed buff and then cloak, then you're also very slow.

There is no good counter to cloak if you use it to escape.

Hang on a second... a 12m constant vision against sneak and ALL sorcs have Boundless Storm? You are joking right? I am a Sorc guy... where are my "NB are OP" or "Cloak is OP" threads? Unlike you I actually PvP all the time, particularly on PTS. Where is my threads talking about OP cloak? Oh wait, they don't exist, I play with a counter for cloak. Oops.

You are a Nightblade and no real Sorcerer. Might telling me the range of Boundless storm ? Seems like you think it's 12 meters.

It's mean to make assumptions about you without even knowing it, right ? So how dare you doing this ? I'm pvping every day pretty much all the time when I'm at home. You know nothing about me but still make wild assumptions. There is no point in talking to you. You never come up with valid points or suggestions. You're no help at all, just one of thousand Nightblade defenders who tries to taunt people with invalid counters to cloak.

I make assumptions?
You just told me im not a real Sorc. Rofl...
I have 3... 2 of which are Stam and I PvP regularly on PTS with both Magicka and Stam.
What does the range of Boundless Storm have to do with anything. 12m is Radiant Magelight which is like having a detect pot on at all times and stops stun from sneak attack and reduces the dmg by 50% while also giving Crit % buff. Boundless Storm gives you a speed boost for 7.5 seconds and allows you to chase down any NB trying to get out of range. If that fails, you still have Streak... No wild assumptions here. I know all this because I actually play the game and PvP enough to know it works.

Again, show me where I am wrong. You are completely out of touch with reality.
Regarding assumptions being mean, perhaps you should stop doing it. Almost every "nerf OP ability/class" post of yours is laden with it. Not to mention you telling me I am a nightblade/NB sympathizer and not a Sorc. No, I am just not stubborn and quick to call nerf when I don't understand how things work. There is a difference.

You are a NIghtblade Sympathizer, why do you even fight it ?
I'm fine with it, I like it when people fight for something. But you should be honest at least.

Okay let me place shadow twin and let me port to it from max range. I will cloak, run in a random direction. You can come with your mage light and streak as often as you want. Well.... you cannot actually. You will be out of Magicka after a few casts. While I'll be gone and you can come with whatever counter you like. Be it a 6 meter radius AoE, a 12 meter radius light or a potion. Nothing will help you finding me

All it takes is a simple tactic and cloak is a promised escape without a penalty and without a counter.

As I said before my main is a Sorc and I have 3 of them including the new one I just made on another faction. I have 100s of posts dating back to launch that verify this with screenshots and video. If you want to continue to prattle about like a fool, go for it. But it would be probably best you take your own advice about assumptions for the sake of being hypocritical. Regarding what I fight for, I think it's pretty damn clear I have been posting for Sorcs. That said, if NB had an overpowered ability I could not counter, even a person of average intelligence would think I would ask for balance or post about it. Yet I don't.

Regarding your tactic, if you knew much about NB pvp, you wouldn't make that claim. One, I can camp your clone. He is stationary meaning I know where you are going to pop. 2, I have streak and I can Streak several times (over 7) before I can't any longer. 3. RML has a 12m radius meaning I am going to catch you. If It didn't work, I would not have it slotted on my Stamina Sorc who is hard pressed for bar space. THINK

I find it strange a person who doesn't even play a vetted out NB has become an expert on something that he clearly doesn't understand. Though it is par for the course with these forums that people often whine about things they don't understand. At least I have integrity, I am not asking for a nerf to something I have no problem with. As a Sorcerer though, you should be ashamed of yourself, seeing how Bolt Escape has been treated. Now you attempt to sabotage a class out of either profound ignorance or spite. That's just not right.

Dracane

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Can't believe people are really protecting cloak and denying how OP it is when used properly.
It's about time my Nightblade reaches vr14 and I manage to record gameplay already. Then I'm going to send Zenimax some interesting stuff.

I can't believe you are beating a dead horse and ignoring all the facts presented that show you how wrong you are.

It shows nothing. It shows that you try to bring invalid arguments. Seriously, if a 6 meter AoE knocks you out of cloak, then you're really really slow. If you can't manage to run 12 meters with speed buff and then cloak, then you're also very slow.

There is no good counter to cloak if you use it to escape.

Hang on a second... a 12m constant vision against sneak and ALL sorcs have Boundless Storm? You are joking right? I am a Sorc guy... where are my "NB are OP" or "Cloak is OP" threads? Unlike you I actually PvP all the time, particularly on PTS. Where is my threads talking about OP cloak? Oh wait, they don't exist, I play with a counter for cloak. Oops.

You are a Nightblade and no real Sorcerer. Might telling me the range of Boundless storm ? Seems like you think it's 12 meters.

It's mean to make assumptions about you without even knowing it, right ? So how dare you doing this ? I'm pvping every day pretty much all the time when I'm at home. You know nothing about me but still make wild assumptions. There is no point in talking to you. You never come up with valid points or suggestions. You're no help at all, just one of thousand Nightblade defenders who tries to taunt people with invalid counters to cloak.

I make assumptions?
You just told me im not a real Sorc. Rofl...
I have 3... 2 of which are Stam and I PvP regularly on PTS with both Magicka and Stam.
What does the range of Boundless Storm have to do with anything. 12m is Radiant Magelight which is like having a detect pot on at all times and stops stun from sneak attack and reduces the dmg by 50% while also giving Crit % buff. Boundless Storm gives you a speed boost for 7.5 seconds and allows you to chase down any NB trying to get out of range. If that fails, you still have Streak... No wild assumptions here. I know all this because I actually play the game and PvP enough to know it works.

Again, show me where I am wrong. You are completely out of touch with reality.
Regarding assumptions being mean, perhaps you should stop doing it. Almost every "nerf OP ability/class" post of yours is laden with it. Not to mention you telling me I am a nightblade/NB sympathizer and not a Sorc. No, I am just not stubborn and quick to call nerf when I don't understand how things work. There is a difference.

You are a NIghtblade Sympathizer, why do you even fight it ?
I'm fine with it, I like it when people fight for something. But you should be honest at least.

Okay let me place shadow twin and let me port to it from max range. I will cloak, run in a random direction. You can come with your mage light and streak as often as you want. Well.... you cannot actually. You will be out of Magicka after a few casts. While I'll be gone and you can come with whatever counter you like. Be it a 6 meter radius AoE, a 12 meter radius light or a potion. Nothing will help you finding me

All it takes is a simple tactic and cloak is a promised escape without a penalty and without a counter.

As I said before my main is a Sorc and I have 3 of them including the new one I just made on another faction. I have 100s of posts dating back to launch that verify this with screenshots and video. If you want to continue to prattle about like a fool, go for it. But it would be probably best you take your own advice about assumptions for the sake of being hypocritical. Regarding what I fight for, I think it's pretty damn clear I have been posting for Sorcs. That said, if NB had an overpowered ability I could not counter, even a person of average intelligence would think I would ask for balance or post about it. Yet I don't.

Regarding your tactic, if you knew much about NB pvp, you wouldn't make that claim. One, I can camp your clone. He is stationary meaning I know where you are going to pop. 2, I have streak and I can Streak several times (over 7) before I can't any longer. 3. RML has a 12m radius meaning I am going to catch you. If It didn't work, I would not have it slotted on my Stamina Sorc who is hard pressed for bar space. THINK

I find it strange a person who doesn't even play a vetted out NB has become an expert on something that he clearly doesn't understand. Though it is par for the course with these forums that people often whine about things they don't understand. At least I have integrity, I am not asking for a nerf to something I have no problem with. As a Sorcerer though, you should be ashamed of yourself, seeing how Bolt Escape has been treated. Now you attempt to sabotage a class out of either profound ignorance or spite. That's just not right.

You're unbelieveable. Even though I brought you an uncounterable tactic if played right, and you still insult me as a fool and so on. Even @Master_Kas agrees, that the shadow image-cloak combo is OP and he doesn't understand, why so few NIghtblades are using it and he IS an experienced Nightblade and I can take him serious, unlike you.

If you say cloak is easy to counter, then you're playing this class wrong.

However I agree, that the Bolt Escape treatment is a crime. You claim to know so much about me then you would be aware, that I wrote a suggestion today where I said, that I also don't think, that the Bolt Escape treatment is fair for Cloak. Still we Sorcerers have to endure it.
I said, I would like to see some adjustments to Revealing flare, so that it becomes a more reliable counter and maybe even allows us to counter Cloak as an escape. Come on Xael, show me you are reasonable and have some insight already -.- I can't believe you really keep on doing this. Go out if you're so experienced and try what we told you and you will come to recognize, that Cloak is OP and that we need a real counter.

If you want, I send you my suggestion as a message. Just let me know

Xael

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You're unbelieveable. Even though I brought you an uncounterable tactic if played right, and you still insult me as a fool and so on. Even @Master_Kas agrees, that the shadow image-cloak combo is OP and he doesn't understand, why so few NIghtblades are using it and he IS an experienced Nightblade and I can take him serious, unlike you.

If you say cloak is easy to counter, then you're playing this class wrong.

However I agree, that the Bolt Escape treatment is a crime. You claim to know so much about me then you would be aware, that I wrote a suggestion today where I said, that I also don't think, that the Bolt Escape treatment is fair for Cloak. Still we Sorcerers have to endure it.
I said, I would like to see some adjustments to Revealing flare, so that it becomes a more reliable counter and maybe even allows us to counter Cloak as an escape. Come on Xael, show me you are reasonable and have some insight already -.- I can't believe you really keep on doing this. Go out if you're so experienced and try what we told you and you will come to recognize, that Cloak is OP and that we need a real counter.

If you want, I send you my suggestion as a message. Just let me know

FFS man, make up your mind. So you play a Nightblade now? Are you telling me this? You have a vr14 NB and have 100% success rate with your "uncounterable tactic"? That's what you are implying. Because if you don't play a NB v14 and have 100% success rate, you need to be quiet. You are implying you speak from experience as a NB.
I don't know KAS and I don't care what he says, I know what I know because I kill NBs every day in Cyro and Imperial City and I use Radiant Magelight and other tools to do it. Stop with the hyperbole and pontification. The only thing you have is anecdotal, you are doing nothing but making noise.

I don't need to go out and try it. I kill nightblades... In fact get on your Nightblade so I can come kill you. Show me how OP you are.