Shadow Cloak

bowmanz607 · August 2015

man wish i was home...i want to duel. stupid studying for law school.

Dracane · August 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

How many times have you been killed by a perma cloaking nightblade?

And now where're coming to the main problem. Actually, I should give up attempting to talk to people

they don't listen anyway. But I suppose you didn't read the entire thread and just entered it today for the first time, so I'm going to do it anyway.

Cloak as an escape is what bothers me, not the offensive aspect. Cloak is a mighty escape, even though all other escapes in the game (besides mistform) got nerfed so hard, that they are barely useable for this purpose.Cloak as an escape should be adressed, not when used for offense. Not sure if it's helpfull to tell you that, as you permacloak only to hide out of range and to stalk me or so

Cloak should be used for offense, but not as an escape. Because this is unfair considering that roll dodge and bolt escape got nerfed.

contact.opiumb16_ESO · August 2015

Hoooo boy, those blablabla are annoying !

YES nb will be the strongest class for some months. YES the hammer of nerfing will hit you in some more months because YES in this meta, cloak is imbalanced. So what ? can't you just be happy to shine for some long months ? You will propably not play this game anymore when you'll be nerf btw.

Dracane · August 2015

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

*** boy, those blablabla are annoying !

YES nb will be the strongest class for some months. YES the hammer of nerfing will hit you in some more months because YES in this meta, cloak is imbalanced. So what ? can't you just be happy to shine for some long months ? You will propably not play this game anymore when you'll be nerf btw.

Their tactic is to deny how imbalanced cloak is to blind the developers so the nerf hammer is not going to hit him.
I want to cast revealing flare to.... unveil this dark cloak, ah dark plan I mean

bowmanz607 · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

*** boy, those blablabla are annoying !

YES nb will be the strongest class for some months. YES the hammer of nerfing will hit you in some more months because YES in this meta, cloak is imbalanced. So what ? can't you just be happy to shine for some long months ? You will propably not play this game anymore when you'll be nerf btw.

Their tactic is to deny how imbalanced cloak is to blind the developers so the nerf hammer is not going to hit him.
I want to cast revealing flare to.... unveil this dark cloak, ah dark plan I mean

i wonder, how do you nerf an ability that is not guaranteed to work? that is my dilemma. as I stated before, nerf it if it is guranteed, but it is still broken. it can be very usefull when it works leading one to think "it is op" and perhaps this is true to some extent. my issue lies in the times when it does not work. it is still a broken skill. Sure i can use it to escape and be safe, but I am just as likely to have it not work and my reliance on it working gets me killed.sure there are some work arounds, but those requiring using a combo of skills just to make sure it works which inherently is a penalty for using it.

Master_Kas · August 2015

Nysticc wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Nysticc wrote: »

I've played the Nightblade class since beta and I rely on cloak for both offense and defense. I can safely say that if they apply the increased cost nerf to cloak I would still be ably to perma cloak. Perma cloaking relies on cost REDUCTION and not regen and with siphoning attacks I can get resources back easily. The problem is not cloak nor is it a learn to play issue, simply put, most players are unwilling to place a counter for cloak on their bar making it easy for cloakers to escape.@Dracane, I've fought you many times and not once have you ever used a counter apart from the odd detect potion so I cannot understand why you're complaining about. Its not as if a perma cloaker can kill you if you don't want them to. This is an unnecessary thread and should be closed.

I don't even know you.

Mira Akatosh, I'm sure you know that name.

Mira welcome to the forums

The dark side of the universe

Davkin · August 2015

Its rather sad to see, that as soon as some people run out of arguments they start attacking people personaly. If you think it needs to be nerfed, thats just because you are to stupid to counter. Yeah right havent heard that one before.

Anyone of the Noob-screamer has any argument on cloak escape in relation to the the tel var stone system and the 100% loss?
Lets assume you are right and counter work perfectly fine and there is no balancing issue in fights.
Even in this case you have a 12m radius, or 20m on the first try with potion cooldown, which leave you, with 1-2 seconds tops to react to prevent someone from escaping. After the at least theoretical nerf to blink and the overall dmg reduction and health buff, that leaves NB with an immense advantage to escape quickly safely given an "uninterupted" 1-2 seconds, be it with a mistake on the attaker, CC, "skill" or faulty counters.
That leaves you with the only viable save escape in the game and the only chance to safe your tel var stones if overpowered by the attaker. Its also the quickest way to end a fight, as this timeframe on the pts is normaly not enough to kill someone or be killed. If done right, you can use this basicly as an equivilant to an safe teleport with a 2second cast time which screws with the balance of the game.

Cathexis · August 2015

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

Lol

Dracane · August 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

Lol

A 13 seconds potion, the bane of Nightblades.
That's why the mothpriests become blind after reading an Elder Scroll. The scrolls are telling the story of this mighty potion and how it used to destroy 90% of Tamriels population (Nightblades)

Kloud · August 2015

Just like the bolt ecape treatment if cloak got that stam nbs would be boned beyond belief on top of dodge roll nerf pls

KenaPKK · August 2015

ZOS_Racheal wrote: »

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We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track. Thank you!

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contact.opiumb16_ESO · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

Lol

A 13 seconds potion, the bane of Nightblades.
That's why the mothpriests become blind after reading an Elder Scroll. The scrolls are telling the story of this mighty potion and how it used to destroy 90% of Tamriels population (Nightblades)

Haha @Dracane you killed me

Dracane · August 2015

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

Lol

A 13 seconds potion, the bane of Nightblades.
That's why the mothpriests become blind after reading an Elder Scroll. The scrolls are telling the story of this mighty potion and how it used to destroy 90% of Tamriels population (Nightblades)

Haha @Dracane you killed me

Oh no

now I've got a bounty. You're too squishy ^^

Love Wizard · August 2015

Cloak is perfect in it's current state on the live server, though the changes that makes it not break from gapclosers is nice. I just hope for gods sake this change includues that npc's burning light won't break it, everything I care about.

ku5h · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

*** boy, those blablabla are annoying !

YES nb will be the strongest class for some months. YES the hammer of nerfing will hit you in some more months because YES in this meta, cloak is imbalanced. So what ? can't you just be happy to shine for some long months ? You will propably not play this game anymore when you'll be nerf btw.

Their tactic is to deny how imbalanced cloak is to blind the developers so the nerf hammer is not going to hit him.
I want to cast revealing flare to.... unveil this dark cloak, ah dark plan I mean

I read your every reply, and what i drew from all of them was: "Omg my sorc wont be OP anymore, with some nerfs it got hit with, we cant have that, nerf everithing else, so sorc can still stay OP".
Have you ever writen about shield stacking to oblivion and bolt escaping without problem after proxy detonating 10ppl in the face, just wandering!

Dracane · August 2015

ku5h wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

*** boy, those blablabla are annoying !

YES nb will be the strongest class for some months. YES the hammer of nerfing will hit you in some more months because YES in this meta, cloak is imbalanced. So what ? can't you just be happy to shine for some long months ? You will propably not play this game anymore when you'll be nerf btw.

Their tactic is to deny how imbalanced cloak is to blind the developers so the nerf hammer is not going to hit him.
I want to cast revealing flare to.... unveil this dark cloak, ah dark plan I mean

I read your every reply, and what i drew from all of them was: "Omg my sorc wont be OP anymore, with some nerfs it got hit with, we cant have that, nerf everithing else, so sorc can still stay OP".
Have you ever writen about shield stacking to oblivion and bolt escaping without problem after proxy detonating 10ppl in the face, just wandering!

This has nothing to do with Sorcerer. All classes besides NIghtblades won't stand a chance against Cloak Escape, Dragonknights and Templars even less. They aren't as mobile as Nightblades and Sorcerers, they'll have the biggest problems.

But sure, go ahead. Make wild assumptions about my intends. This has nothing to do with Sorcerers.

Lava_Croft · August 2015

This entire thread reads like an attempt to steer attention away from the fact that Sorcerers are still OP as ***.

Dracane · August 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This entire thread reads like an attempt to steer attention away from the fact that Sorcerers are still OP as ***.

You're paranoid.
Cloak will get nerfed anyway, because many people will come to recognize, how imbalanced it is as soon as it goes live and more people can see it. And then most of you will quit the game anyway, because your cloak gets treated like any other escape in the game: With penalties to balance them.

It better happens now, so that you don't even get used to it.

ItsMeToo · August 2015

I've been playing my NB main since pre-launch and I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to escape after being revealed from cloak. I guess I need to L2P.

What I'm I talking about? I will never L2P, that's too much work.

Soulac · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This entire thread reads like an attempt to steer attention away from the fact that Sorcerers are still OP as ***.

You're paranoid.
Cloak will get nerfed anyway, because many people will come to recognize, how imbalanced it is as soon as it goes live and more people can see it. And then most of you will quit the game anyway, because your cloak gets treated like any other escape in the game: With penalties to balance them.

It better happens now, so that you don't even get used to it.

So in your opinion cloak is our escape mechanic, then please tell me what we gonna do in the four seconds of our penalty while you happily spam your Shield.
Let cloak work every time without any failure and give NBs a defense, then we can start talking about penalties.

You wouldn't like it either if you activate bolt escape and your character is like "hm nah not now".

Dracane · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This entire thread reads like an attempt to steer attention away from the fact that Sorcerers are still OP as ***.

You're paranoid.
Cloak will get nerfed anyway, because many people will come to recognize, how imbalanced it is as soon as it goes live and more people can see it. And then most of you will quit the game anyway, because your cloak gets treated like any other escape in the game: With penalties to balance them.

It better happens now, so that you don't even get used to it.

So in your opinion cloak is our escape mechanic, then please tell me what we gonna do in the four seconds of our penalty while you happily spam your Shield.
Let cloak work every time without any failure and give NBs a defense, then we can start talking about penalties.

You wouldn't like it either if you activate bolt escape and your character is like "hm nah not now".

If you would play a Sorcerer, then you'd know, that Bolt escape does not work every time. Sometimes it just doesn't teleport you. And still it has a penalty.

I said it sooo many times, fix revealing flare and it should help preventing Nightblades from escaping without really bothering offensive cloakers.

Dracane · August 2015

ItsMeToo wrote: »

I've been playing my NB main since pre-launch and I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to escape after being revealed from cloak. I guess I need to L2P.

What I'm I talking about? I will never L2P, that's too much work.

Let me help enlighten you my friend

Cast shadow image, create distance between you and the image, your oponent follows you if he means it and wants to kill you.

Teleport to image>Cloak>Apply speed buff> Run in a random direction> Promised escape.
It's no learn to play issue, rather learn how to figure out combos.

Soulac · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This entire thread reads like an attempt to steer attention away from the fact that Sorcerers are still OP as ***.

You're paranoid.
Cloak will get nerfed anyway, because many people will come to recognize, how imbalanced it is as soon as it goes live and more people can see it. And then most of you will quit the game anyway, because your cloak gets treated like any other escape in the game: With penalties to balance them.

It better happens now, so that you don't even get used to it.

So in your opinion cloak is our escape mechanic, then please tell me what we gonna do in the four seconds of our penalty while you happily spam your Shield.
Let cloak work every time without any failure and give NBs a defense, then we can start talking about penalties.

You wouldn't like it either if you activate bolt escape and your character is like "hm nah not now".

If you would play a Sorcerer, then you'd know, that Bolt escape does not work every time. Sometimes it just doesn't teleport you. And still it has a penalty.

I said it sooo many times, fix revealing flare and it should help preventing Nightblades from escaping without really bothering offensive cloakers.

I got a V14 sorc and I played it for quite a while.
To be honest I didn't really PvP as sorc in 1.6 but I do dailies from time to time and port around quite often.
Overall it barely fails and in case it does I'll just use it again.
Cloak doesn't work at all in ground target AoEs and they're everywhere on the ground.
Bolt Escape doesn't stop working when someone hits you with an AoE or uses a potion.

Armitas · August 2015

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.

Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.

As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.

I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.

I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.

I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.

You don't need piercing mark. Like he said use radiant mags light. Stop being unwilling to lower your offensive godliness

Radiant Magelight is useless. The radius is too small
You can catch Noob Nightblades, but not good Nightblade who want to escape.
Fix Revealing flare, make it reliable and the problem might be solved.

Yeah mate, use those 4 free slots you have for double radiant, flare and aoe you naab!

Sorry, I don't have a single free slot, thanks to pets draining all my slots. I can't sacrifise valueable slots for unreliable things such as Magelight.

is this a joke? if so...lol. if not, have pets become usable in pvp? i have not tested them.

Very usable. Search for bolteritys pet build.

ItsMeToo · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

I've been playing my NB main since pre-launch and I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to escape after being revealed from cloak. I guess I need to L2P.

What I'm I talking about? I will never L2P, that's too much work.

Let me help enlighten you my friend

Cast shadow image, create distance between you and the image, your oponent follows you if he means it and wants to kill you.

Teleport to image>Cloak>Apply speed buff> Run in a random direction> Promised escape.
It's no learn to play issue, rather learn how to figure out combos.

So you want NBs to use 3 skills to escape while sorcs use only 1. Then you want to use one skill to take them out of stealth and attack them before they have time to react.

Not every NB PvPs.

Not every NB will be a magica NB.

Not every NB will use the FOTM build.

Not every NB will have the same setup that Deltia showed in his video, (armor, weapons, enchants, skills, CPs, etc).

Not every NB will have a fast internet connection.

Not every NB will have the same reaction time to pull off that build.

I don't think a nerf is needed at this time. Let it play out for a few months and see what happens. Then come back and address the issue again.

FYI - I already knew about the example you gave, but that would take up too many slots just to get away. Plus if someone was in the area that shadow image was located, I would still be dead. Plus shadow image has a height, distance, and time limit that must be observed or it will not work.

Armitas · August 2015

The counter to Cloak is Magelight and detect pots
The counter to Magelight and detect pots is footspeed, stealth speed, stealth detect reduction, and properly timed CC.

Magelight and detect pots counter those who have not invested in stealth, but not those who have. We need to stop acting like it's some panacea, it's not, it is very counterable. They need to put a cap on stealth detection reduction, it should reduce up to a point and no further. That will reach the people at the far end of the stealth spectrum without effecting the casual stealthers.

Like Dracane said they need to fix flare. Fix that and there is a really amazing counter available.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

Davkin wrote: »

Its rather sad to see, that as soon as some people run out of arguments they start attacking people personaly. If you think it needs to be nerfed, thats just because you are to stupid to counter. Yeah right havent heard that one before.

Anyone of the Noob-screamer has any argument on cloak escape in relation to the the tel var stone system and the 100% loss?
Lets assume you are right and counter work perfectly fine and there is no balancing issue in fights.
Even in this case you have a 12m radius, or 20m on the first try with potion cooldown, which leave you, with 1-2 seconds tops to react to prevent someone from escaping. After the at least theoretical nerf to blink and the overall dmg reduction and health buff, that leaves NB with an immense advantage to escape quickly safely given an "uninterupted" 1-2 seconds, be it with a mistake on the attaker, CC, "skill" or faulty counters.
That leaves you with the only viable save escape in the game and the only chance to safe your tel var stones if overpowered by the attaker. Its also the quickest way to end a fight, as this timeframe on the pts is normaly not enough to kill someone or be killed. If done right, you can use this basicly as an equivilant to an safe teleport with a 2second cast time which screws with the balance of the game.

Armitas wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Cloak didn't get fixed, it's still OP. The bugs got fixed mostly, but there is still no penalty for cloak spam. should happen soon though.

detect pot is the penalty for being the class nb.

You mean a potion with a base duration of 10 seconds ?

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Piercing Mark (Mark Target morph) is also a "penalty" to cloak.
Along with any and all aoe skills. Also magicka detonation and velocious curse.

Also why should nightblades have a "penalty" for having/using cloak? It has plenty of counters and from your multiple threads on how "op" it is, I'd say you regardless refuse to use any of the aforementioned counters to it. So basically I think this comes down to a l2p issue. Just stop crying and git gud.

As for the patch, if it really isn't fixed still, I'm beyond annoyed and disappointed.

I wish I had access to piercing mark. All my worries would be gone.
It's funny how you always try to convince me, that AoE help against Cloak. If you let this happen, then you're the one with L2P issues, huge ones even. A Nightblade that wants to escape with cloak, WILL escape and no counter in the game will help. Besides Piercing mark, it's extremely good but only available for Nightblades. Have you tried using the teleport shadow image combo ? Then you would know, that a Nightblade cannot be caught if he wants.

I tried revealing flare during the last few days. Not sure if it's bugged, but Nightblades can just keep on vanishing (live server)
As long as flare isn't an instant cast without this silly animation, it's no valid counter. Nightblades are too fast.
As soon as they cloak, apply speedbuff and run in a random direction, there is no chance you can catch them.
No other escape mechanic is as mighty as cloak and all these counters people like you are trying to taunt me with, are trash as soon as a Nightblade is on the fly.

I have to repeat myself again: I'm talking about Cloak as an Escape, not as an offensive mechanic. I encourage the offensive aspect of Cloak. But due to the recent changes, it's NECESSARY that cloak gets adjusted.

You don't need piercing mark. Like he said use radiant mags light. Stop being unwilling to lower your offensive godliness

Radiant Magelight is useless. The radius is too small
You can catch Noob Nightblades, but not good Nightblade who want to escape.
Fix Revealing flare, make it reliable and the problem might be solved.

Yeah mate, use those 4 free slots you have for double radiant, flare and aoe you naab!

Sorry, I don't have a single free slot, thanks to pets draining all my slots. I can't sacrifise valueable slots for unreliable things such as Magelight.

is this a joke? if so...lol. if not, have pets become usable in pvp? i have not tested them.

Very usable. Search for bolteritys pet build.

good to know. will be interesting seeing this in play for IC. cant waitto mark the pets for a quick kill and insta heal

Dracane · August 2015

ItsMeToo wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

I've been playing my NB main since pre-launch and I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to escape after being revealed from cloak. I guess I need to L2P.

What I'm I talking about? I will never L2P, that's too much work.

Let me help enlighten you my friend

Cast shadow image, create distance between you and the image, your oponent follows you if he means it and wants to kill you.

Teleport to image>Cloak>Apply speed buff> Run in a random direction> Promised escape.
It's no learn to play issue, rather learn how to figure out combos.

So you want NBs to use 3 skills to escape while sorcs use only 1. Then you want to use one skill to take them out of stealth and attack them before they have time to react.

Not every NB PvPs.

Not every NB will be a magica NB.

Not every NB will use the FOTM build.

Not every NB will have the same setup that Deltia showed in his video, (armor, weapons, enchants, skills, CPs, etc).

Not every NB will have a fast internet connection.

Not every NB will have the same reaction time to pull off that build.

I don't think a nerf is needed at this time. Let it play out for a few months and see what happens. Then come back and address the issue again.

FYI - I already knew about the example you gave, but that would take up too many slots just to get away. Plus if someone was in the area that shadow image was located, I would still be dead. Plus shadow image has a height, distance, and time limit that must be observed or it will not work.

Sorcerers need at least 2 to have a chance to escape. Where are you living ? Bolt Escape is dead, you can't escape with bolt escape only. You need at least this and boundless storm to have a chance and it's not promised.

contact.opiumb16_ESO · August 2015

[/quote] Sorcerers need at least 2 to have a chance to escape. Where are you living ? Bolt Escape is dead, you can't escape with bolt escape only. You need at least this and boundless storm to have a chance and it's not promised.[/quote]

Bolt escape dead !? LOOOL ! It is just not an op escape like it used to be, but it is still very effective with mines to slow attackers. Only NB don't really care about BE because the tp strike don't bother with mines, climbs, walls etc

bowmanz607 · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

I've been playing my NB main since pre-launch and I can count on one hand the number of times I was able to escape after being revealed from cloak. I guess I need to L2P.

What I'm I talking about? I will never L2P, that's too much work.

Let me help enlighten you my friend

Cast shadow image, create distance between you and the image, your oponent follows you if he means it and wants to kill you.

Teleport to image>Cloak>Apply speed buff> Run in a random direction> Promised escape.
It's no learn to play issue, rather learn how to figure out combos.

So you want NBs to use 3 skills to escape while sorcs use only 1. Then you want to use one skill to take them out of stealth and attack them before they have time to react.

Not every NB PvPs.

Not every NB will be a magica NB.

Not every NB will use the FOTM build.

Not every NB will have the same setup that Deltia showed in his video, (armor, weapons, enchants, skills, CPs, etc).

Not every NB will have a fast internet connection.

Not every NB will have the same reaction time to pull off that build.

I don't think a nerf is needed at this time. Let it play out for a few months and see what happens. Then come back and address the issue again.

FYI - I already knew about the example you gave, but that would take up too many slots just to get away. Plus if someone was in the area that shadow image was located, I would still be dead. Plus shadow image has a height, distance, and time limit that must be observed or it will not work.

Sorcerers need at least 2 to have a chance to escape. Where are you living ? Bolt Escape is dead, you can't escape with bolt escape only. You need at least this and boundless storm to have a chance and it's not promised.

i disagree. as a stam sorc i can bolt 3 times. a magicka can easily double that. besides that, you should not have to bolt escape more than two or three times to escape. the most crucial is the first 2. not to mention weaving in thundering pressence or whatever after the first two, wait 4 sec, and bolt escape twice again. bottom line is a stam sorc can use it at a min. of 3 times and a magicka can hit at least 6. perhaps now you MIGHT have to weave in a dodge roll or something too. bolt escape is far from dead. you just cant streak half of cyrodil while still having a plethra of magicka to fight.