WHY no CP CAP yet? The gap creates great imbalance in the game PvP+PvE, more and more quit the game

technohic · August 2015

Just give whiners for no CP points their own campaigns and leaderboards and give whiners who want all their CP their own campaigns and leaderboards. From there, caps and catch up methods wouldn't matter at all to me unless maybe I want to go play with my CP points I have earned some day.

Divinius · August 2015

EgoRush wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Did you... even read the rest of my post that you quoted? Obviously not.

I'm amazed by the number of people that think capping CP is a solution.

CP is only a problem in PvP. I will laugh in the face of anyone who claims "leaderboards" as a reason it matters in PvE.

Whatever cap they implement, there will be people already at it, and new VR people with no CP. There will always be a differential between players.

If you want to make PvP "fair" (at least as CP goes) you equalize CP in PvP areas.

And if you equalize CP in PvP, you DON'T NEED A STUPID CAP!

Why is this so hard a concept to grasp?

EDIT: I bolded the important bits for people that don't like to read more than a few words.

Did you even read the comments of other people in this thread and justifications for why this isn't just an issue in PvP?

I've read all of them. I just personally think the justifications made are dumb. I'm well aware that high CP numbers make getting to the top of PvE Leaderboards much easier. My point is that placing caps on CP solely because of PvE leaderboards is stupid. I'd be fine if they removed the leaderboard system from the game entirely, but for those that care, if you want to be on it, go get some CP. Can't play all day every day? Then you aren't going to be on it. Just like you probably aren't going to be an Emperor in Cyrodiil without spending all of you life PvPing. People need to understand that "top ranked" people in MMOs are always going to be the people that have the most time to play. That's how MMOs work.

EgoRush wrote: »

If you equalize CP in PvP then what's the point of having CP at all? People would still QQ about others having additional passives thanks to grinding CP. All you've done is argue against a suggestion without giving a viable alternative.

I made a great suggestion to a very viable alternative, equalizing CP in Cyrodiil. You just didn't like my suggestion. They "battle level" people from level 10 to VR12 (or whatever it is currently) as soon as they enter Cyrodiil. By your logic, you could say "so what's the point in leveling?"

Some people are just going to get roflstomped in PvP, regardless of CP, or passives, or whatever. And as ZOS removes imbalances, those people are just going to go on the forums and scream about the next imbalance. That will happen until everyone who enters PvP is automatically converted to a VR16 DK, with 3600 CP, all points and passives, all skills unlocked and leveled, and handed a temp set of the best PvP gear in the game upon entering Cyrodiil. Literally everyone in the zone would be an exact clone of each other.

And then some people will STILL get roflstomped in PvP due to simply being unskilled players. And they will STILL come on the forums and complain about "something" they will make up, because of "imbalance" or whatever they decide to blame their simply lack of skill on that month.

Implementing a CP cap is pointless. It's not going to fix any imbalances, the people complaining are still going to complain, and all it's going to do is artificially limit the people that actually want to be able to progress in the game.

At least equalizing CP in PvP will address the current "excuse of the day" far better than a cap will, without putting any limits on what players can do outside of Cyrodiil.

(Funny note, I kept accidentally spelling it Cryodiil. I almost left it that way, since it's probably a more accurate name for the place.)

Rune_Relic · August 2015

Xael wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Once you are VR1 you begin gaining CP. The only thing stopping people from gaining CP is themselves. The same goes for leveling, PvP rank grinding, etc. All of you need to stop whining. Not once have I died because someone had too much CP or I too little...

This is the same mentality of those inept sluggards who refuse to level past vr1 and want the rest of the 13 levels handed to them while bitching about how unfair things are. Regarding PvP, CPs, etc, everyone acts so limpwristed, soggy, and entitled. It blows my mind.

Not a single one of you is prohibited from grinding CP. The person that goes out there and grinds CP does only that. He doesn't PvP, he doesn't raid, he grinds. Meanwhile whiny people cry about how unfair it is that someone puts out effort to reach a goal. These same whining people also like to skip over the fact that ZOS themselves said they are putting in a mechanism to help people catch up in the near future. Instead, these whining crybabies keep circling and mentioning bs hypothesis about potential unfairness and mythical people that have 1600+ CP that are commonplace. Sorry, but this doesn't work for me. This participation medal mentality needs to go, it's pathetic.

So because you are so L33t you can overcome anyone regardless of CP..... the champion system is fine for everyone else too ?
Awesome logic

We need to jack in our jobs and grind 24/7 or pay people to use our accounts for us instead.
Yeah... we get that too.

Where did I say I was "L33t and can overcome anyone regardless of CP"? Awesome logic? You reek of desperation.

Does your game not work? When you log on, are you not gaining CP or experience toward CP? Strange, you might want to open a ticket. As I mentioned in the post you quoted from, anyone VR1 and up gains CP.

You need to "jack in our jobs and grind 24/7 or pay people"? I assume by "jack" you mean "quit?" I don't sit in front of the computer all day playing video games and I certainly don't have a hard time gaining CP. What's your excuse? No, you would rather log on the forum and whine about alleged unfairness and hold your hand out for that which you feel entitled. Should people not be able to play the game while you are at work or doing whatever it is while you are not in game? What about leveling? What about PvP? Should we all wait on you so we don't get ahead? Pathetic...

Errm practically every post where you say CP makes no difference.
You beat people regardless.
Do I have to quote every one of them ?

If you faced a clone of yourself with 10% let alone 25% more stats.
You would lose every single time.
Pretending you would win any of them makes me wonder what your motives are for attacking anyone concerned about CP balance.

And the only cap on CP level and power is not having a life or paying someone to farm it for you.
Which rules 99% of the players out of the game.

But he game isn't here to cater for the majority is it.
Its here purely for your own satisfaction.

So like I said.
Awesome logic.

Xael · August 2015

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Once you are VR1 you begin gaining CP. The only thing stopping people from gaining CP is themselves. The same goes for leveling, PvP rank grinding, etc. All of you need to stop whining. Not once have I died because someone had too much CP or I too little...

This is the same mentality of those inept sluggards who refuse to level past vr1 and want the rest of the 13 levels handed to them while bitching about how unfair things are. Regarding PvP, CPs, etc, everyone acts so limpwristed, soggy, and entitled. It blows my mind.

Not a single one of you is prohibited from grinding CP. The person that goes out there and grinds CP does only that. He doesn't PvP, he doesn't raid, he grinds. Meanwhile whiny people cry about how unfair it is that someone puts out effort to reach a goal. These same whining people also like to skip over the fact that ZOS themselves said they are putting in a mechanism to help people catch up in the near future. Instead, these whining crybabies keep circling and mentioning bs hypothesis about potential unfairness and mythical people that have 1600+ CP that are commonplace. Sorry, but this doesn't work for me. This participation medal mentality needs to go, it's pathetic.

So because you are so L33t you can overcome anyone regardless of CP..... the champion system is fine for everyone else too ?
Awesome logic

We need to jack in our jobs and grind 24/7 or pay people to use our accounts for us instead.
Yeah... we get that too.

Where did I say I was "L33t and can overcome anyone regardless of CP"? Awesome logic? You reek of desperation.

Does your game not work? When you log on, are you not gaining CP or experience toward CP? Strange, you might want to open a ticket. As I mentioned in the post you quoted from, anyone VR1 and up gains CP.

You need to "jack in our jobs and grind 24/7 or pay people"? I assume by "jack" you mean "quit?" I don't sit in front of the computer all day playing video games and I certainly don't have a hard time gaining CP. What's your excuse? No, you would rather log on the forum and whine about alleged unfairness and hold your hand out for that which you feel entitled. Should people not be able to play the game while you are at work or doing whatever it is while you are not in game? What about leveling? What about PvP? Should we all wait on you so we don't get ahead? Pathetic...

Errm practically every post where you say CP makes no difference.
You beat people regardless.
Do I have to quote every one of them ?

If you faced a clone of yourself with 10% let alone 25% more stats.
You would lose every single time.
Pretending you would win any of them makes me wonder what your motives are for attacking anyone concerned about CP balance.

And the only cap on CP level and power is not having a life or paying someone to farm it for you.
Which rules 99% of the players out of the game.

But he game isn't here to cater for the majority is it.
Its here purely for your own satisfaction.

So like I said.
Awesome logic.

First off, saying I don't have a problem killing people with my CP disabled is not the same as saying I don't die and I win 100% of the time. It's clear you speak English so stop being dishonest and twisting my words.

Enough with the clone stuff. The hypothesis is irrelevant and not indicative of anything related to your libel, or the whining in this thread. I never even gave an answer to that construct in the first place. There is no reason to paradigm shift into something completely irrelevant even if you are doing it out of desperation.

As for the rest of your statements, they make no sense and are not in touch with reality, let alone the stuff I have said. I never said any of that stuff, nor did I imply it.

Seeing you say "awesome logic" is egregious as you can't even fathom what's been said in this thread. This of course raises question when I see you speak of "logic", it's like a blind person trying to tell me about the color on my shirt. I am done trying to communicate with you, you can continue to prattle but I refuse to discourse with someone who is acting obtuse.

Rook_Master · August 2015

I know there are many others like me for whom the thought of grinding mindlessly for hours is a complete and utter turn-off.

We begrudgingly accepted the original concept of CP because progression in 1.5 was severely stunted past V14 and people were getting sick of the game because their characters were not progressing. But now we have a horrible situation where everyone has completed all the content, but infinite XP-based progression is still in place.

I simply will never grind CP. I just can't. I can't force myself to grind goblins for hours or whatever. I will simply quit this game before that day comes. And it comes up ever more quickly when I consider just how out of reach the gap in CP is becoming between myself and grinders that already have 500+ CP.

The gap between the CP haves and have-nots is what is going to kill this game.

technohic · August 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

I know there are many others like me for whom the thought of grinding mindlessly for hours is a complete and utter turn-off.

We begrudgingly accepted the original concept of CP because progression in 1.5 was severely stunted past V14 and people were getting sick of the game because their characters were not progressing. But now we have a horrible situation where everyone has completed all the content, but infinite XP-based progression is still in place.

I simply will never grind CP. I just can't. I can't force myself to grind goblins for hours or whatever. I will simply quit this game before that day comes. And it comes up ever more quickly when I consider just how out of reach the gap in CP is becoming between myself and grinders that already have 500+ CP.

The gap between the CP haves and have-nots is what is going to kill this game.

I agree and it gets worse once you quit then think about coming back. Which is kind of a thing in MMOs with large gaps in content. I personally keep thinking about it and then come to the forums and see not only this, but other things as well that just kills my enthusiasm to come back and try a build I suddenly got an idea for, or level a new class where the gap continues to widen while I am sub-vet level. Lag in Cyrodiil and bugs that have existed for way too long and just small details just turn me off.

Maybe Orsinium will do it even though I mainly like PvP but at least it gives me solo things to do

k2blader · August 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

I know there are many others like me for whom the thought of grinding mindlessly for hours is a complete and utter turn-off.

We begrudgingly accepted the original concept of CP because progression in 1.5 was severely stunted past V14 and people were getting sick of the game because their characters were not progressing. But now we have a horrible situation where everyone has completed all the content, but infinite XP-based progression is still in place.

I simply will never grind CP. I just can't. I can't force myself to grind goblins for hours or whatever. I will simply quit this game before that day comes. And it comes up ever more quickly when I consider just how out of reach the gap in CP is becoming between myself and grinders that already have 500+ CP.

The gap between the CP haves and have-nots is what is going to kill this game.

Agree except I didn't really accept the CP system, lol. But I voted with my wallet which was all I could do. :-P

Xjcon · August 2015

They could leave the CP systems leveling as is if the reduced the percentages significantly. 25% elemental damage increase is huge, then couple that with 25% heavy attack damage increase for even more. If the percentage was say 5% at 100 points it wouldn't seem near as high as it currently is. And if someone has 400 cp more the me it's only 5% in a few places rather then 25%.

FriedEggSandwich · August 2015

As a sorc with only 215cp, and who has never even tested the multiple-mundus or overload exploits, let alone used them, I still feel perfectly capable of causing havoc on the battlefield. I really don't see the issue with cp, maths or not. An easy way to stop worrying about cp is to just blame every death on yourself; I got too greedy, I wasn't paying attention, I should have had my shields up, I was mounted with the wrong bar selected, I let myself get outnumbered, I missed the opportunity to pop a tripot and now I'm CC'd with no stam etc etc. These are the real reasons you die, not cos someone has 400 more cp than you. In a straight up duel maybe, but not in open-world pvp.

Gunphu · August 2015

I play on console. People transfered over at max level, a couple hundred CP headstart, and lots of experience but I dont really see the huge issue. Sure they hit a few percentage points harder but so what! CP provide people with unlimited progression...progression with diminishing returns. Progression that keeps people playing and paying. The difference between 300-400 is so minuscule compared to the amount of time and dedication to grinding (omg shoot me) it seems laughable. I cant wrap my little brain around the argument against them. Shouldnt someone who is more dedicated and motivated reap the rewards.

IDK maybe its just me but I see people with 100 CP walk all over 300+ CP people regularly. Plus if they have some ridiculous amount of CP a re they not usually only a threat to some zombies or goblins?

Rune_Relic · August 2015

Xael wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Once you are VR1 you begin gaining CP. The only thing stopping people from gaining CP is themselves. The same goes for leveling, PvP rank grinding, etc. All of you need to stop whining. Not once have I died because someone had too much CP or I too little...

This is the same mentality of those inept sluggards who refuse to level past vr1 and want the rest of the 13 levels handed to them while bitching about how unfair things are. Regarding PvP, CPs, etc, everyone acts so limpwristed, soggy, and entitled. It blows my mind.

Not a single one of you is prohibited from grinding CP. The person that goes out there and grinds CP does only that. He doesn't PvP, he doesn't raid, he grinds. Meanwhile whiny people cry about how unfair it is that someone puts out effort to reach a goal. These same whining people also like to skip over the fact that ZOS themselves said they are putting in a mechanism to help people catch up in the near future. Instead, these whining crybabies keep circling and mentioning bs hypothesis about potential unfairness and mythical people that have 1600+ CP that are commonplace. Sorry, but this doesn't work for me. This participation medal mentality needs to go, it's pathetic.

So because you are so L33t you can overcome anyone regardless of CP..... the champion system is fine for everyone else too ?
Awesome logic

We need to jack in our jobs and grind 24/7 or pay people to use our accounts for us instead.
Yeah... we get that too.

Where did I say I was "L33t and can overcome anyone regardless of CP"? Awesome logic? You reek of desperation.

Does your game not work? When you log on, are you not gaining CP or experience toward CP? Strange, you might want to open a ticket. As I mentioned in the post you quoted from, anyone VR1 and up gains CP.

You need to "jack in our jobs and grind 24/7 or pay people"? I assume by "jack" you mean "quit?" I don't sit in front of the computer all day playing video games and I certainly don't have a hard time gaining CP. What's your excuse? No, you would rather log on the forum and whine about alleged unfairness and hold your hand out for that which you feel entitled. Should people not be able to play the game while you are at work or doing whatever it is while you are not in game? What about leveling? What about PvP? Should we all wait on you so we don't get ahead? Pathetic...

Errm practically every post where you say CP makes no difference.
You beat people regardless.
Do I have to quote every one of them ?

If you faced a clone of yourself with 10% let alone 25% more stats.
You would lose every single time.
Pretending you would win any of them makes me wonder what your motives are for attacking anyone concerned about CP balance.

And the only cap on CP level and power is not having a life or paying someone to farm it for you.
Which rules 99% of the players out of the game.

But he game isn't here to cater for the majority is it.
Its here purely for your own satisfaction.

So like I said.
Awesome logic.

First off, saying I don't have a problem killing people with my CP disabled is not the same as saying I don't die and I win 100% of the time. It's clear you speak English so stop being dishonest and twisting my words.

Enough with the clone stuff.
/snip

lmao. Really. No point reasoning with someone who has no reasoning.
/ignored.

Xjcon · August 2015

Gunphu wrote: »

I play on console. People transfered over at max level, a couple hundred CP headstart, and lots of experience but I dont really see the huge issue. Sure they hit a few percentage points harder but so what! CP provide people with unlimited progression...progression with diminishing returns. Progression that keeps people playing and paying. The difference between 300-400 is so minuscule compared to the amount of time and dedication to grinding (omg shoot me) it seems laughable. I cant wrap my little brain around the argument against them. Shouldnt someone who is more dedicated and motivated reap the rewards.

IDK maybe its just me but I see people with 100 CP walk all over 300+ CP people regularly. Plus if they have some ridiculous amount of CP a re they not usually only a threat to some zombies or goblins?

While I could see people with more cp getting owned by people with less being true. How do you see it regularly? I didn't know you could see other players cp, let alone other factions players cp.

glavius · August 2015

There are practically no diminishing returns on CP after the first 20 points. It's completely linear....

capcody · August 2015

as stated on eso live only 50 or so people have over 600 cp. the odds of u comming upon that player on the field is slim.but seriously 50 outa 10k players or so isnt that big of a deal. i can agree on a cp min cap if u havent reached it when the season ends u will gain 3x enlightment speed to catch up. to be honest cp has nothing to do with it. its skill.

RammAss · August 2015

Capping cp is a bad idea. People with low amount of cp should just get more xp to be able to catch up.

RammAss · August 2015

Freeman wrote: »

@Alcast

Sounds like you have a Learn to Play issue. Instead of spending time trying to figure out how to imporve yourself/build/gear, you come to the forums and blame your lack of skill on 'all the players that have 1k CP'.

totaly agree with your comment

Crown · August 2015

We did a series of duel tests this weekend, whereby a few of us in the area of 360 CP fought each other. It cost each of us about 30k gold for respec / reallocation, but was worth it to get answers to the question of how does CP affect dueling.

Note that the decisions on how each of us spent our CP wasn't recorded, just that we each used the given numbers

I freely admit I'm not the greatest duelist, so keep that in mind for my results as I usually have a 40% win rate.

MY CP allocated vs Opponent CP allocated
360 CP allocated vs 360 CP allocated - Won 2/5 matches
0 CP allocated vs 360 CP allocated - Won 1/6 matches
90 CP allocated vs 270 CP allocated - Won 2/7 matches
180 CP allocated vs 180 CP allocated - Won 2/5 matches
270 CP allocated vs 90 CP allocated - Won 3/5 matches
360 CP allocated vs 0 CP allocated - Won 4/6 matches

The sample size of matches isn't very large, though I could feel a difference when the differential of CPs were in my favour. It wasn't a huge difference, but it's there.

Lykurgis · August 2015

Jeckll wrote: »

But if the system stays the way it is, there WILL be a point in the future where the regular Joe wo gets a CP a day also has 1k CP, where the average CP a player has is 500, 750, 1k, 2k...and at that point, no one will ever want to start this game fresh.

This is why I think the Crown Store will be the catch-up mechanism. New Player buys game and wants to play with "regular Joe" player who has had the game for a while. New Player can then drop a few bucks and level their mount, craft the new Glass Armor (or whatever style), and get the current average of CP...and in one convenient place in-game while hanging out with his buddies...the Crown Store.

Erock25 · August 2015

I have basically stopped playing this game because I feel like I'm falling too far behind in CP.

Suru · August 2015

Its not hard to farm CP, it really isnt.
Does CP make a difference, yes of course.
Is anything preventing you from spending some time away from farming CP? No.

Anyone can do it, and if you feel behind because you hear of people over the average of the general public than that is unfortunate. In PvP I only know maybe 3 of the 35~50 people ZoS mentioned on NA. I know a greater amount of people between 400~500 and they are mostly pvp'rs (funny dont you think).

As being in the top DC guilds and playing with the top EP and AD guilds every once in a while, there will be maybe only ONE person with over the average. But we are still getting amazing scores on trials (couple #1 on NA but not world) with 90% of the raid with less than 500 CP and more under 300.

Although I have a slight displeasure with Yuki and some of the things he said, I did agree with some things aswell. If you feel like your DPS is low (for PvE) and you feel that is due to CP, then that is your responsibility as a player to work hard to get better at the game and farm chump points (#fluffyOP). For PvP'rs if you want more regen, dps or mitigation same story. Nothing is stopping anyone from farming CP with the overall average of the population.

As far as my argument and such, the only thing is that there is a majority (the average I say) of the population with over 360 CP; New players have 0 CP. PvP campaigns should be catered to new players and allow campaigns for people with only 0~225 CP. A campaign with a more even playing field and does not restrict people with greater amount of CP. Getting new people is the real issue for ZoS to address, not the current average of the populous (in terms of the big CP debate).

As for PvE leaderboards and the way things are now, new players will probably not people get top scores and that is unfortunate but they can sill enjoy the content but it is only fair. People at the top have been playing ESO since the beginning and everyone knew when ESO was coming out (not like it was a surprise or anything) and have worked hard since then to get where they are now which Is why I believe consoles are the best place for new players rather than PC since on PC we have all banded together since the beginning and are our own community (which we are welcome to all new and old) to get to where we've gotten now.

You get what you work for. Statistical anomalies exist and they will always exist in all aspects of life. Do not get discouraged over that. Lastly It is only a game, have fun and spend time doing what you think is fun.

/EndPoorlyGrammaticizedRant

twistedmonk · August 2015

There should be no cap to Champion Points.

If a player wants to spend time grinding CP or is dedicated and played since launch. Let them. You're only talking what? less than 1% of the total population?

This is a non-issue.

Dru1076 · August 2015

Woah...why is it everytime I see one of these threads now I want to quote Rodney King?

Seriously guys...there is no need to insult each other over this game. It is not constructive nor does it make any difference other than adding stress to what is all supposed to a source of entertainment.

It saddens me that no matter what, any thread discussing changes to the status quo in PVP results in such horrible behaviour. I hope Zos deliver cp free campaigns soon, because I think both camps have already put forward the same arguments so often there seems nothing to do now but childishly yell at each other. We have been told Zos are looking into cp free campaigns, but I wish that light at the end of tunnel would speed up a little before someone prays to the Nightmother.

FearlessOne_2014 · August 2015

I don't think capping Champ points is the solution. I think adding two PvP campaign's that nullify the effects of all champ points, then no one can legitly complain about the champ point system. Champ point grinders can have their 2k plus CPs and fight each other and others who wish to fight with and against them. People who can't find much time or the will to massively grind Champ points don't have to be bother by it. It's really a win win for both sides right?

DaveMoeDee · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

Is there a tangible benefit from topping the leaderboards? Do you get some kind of gear?

TheBonesXXX · August 2015

Divinius wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

CP is only a problem in PvP. I will laugh in the face of anyone who claims "leaderboards" as a reason it matters in PvE.

Whatever cap they implement, there will be people already at it, and new VR people with no CP. There will always be a differential between players.

If you want to make PvP "fair" (at least as CP goes) you equalize CP in PvP areas.

And if you equalize CP in PvP, you DON'T NEED A STUPID CAP!

Why is this so hard a concept to grasp?

EDIT: I bolded the important bits for people that don't like to read more than a few words.

Rook_Master wrote: »

I know there are many others like me for whom the thought of grinding mindlessly for hours is a complete and utter turn-off.

We begrudgingly accepted the original concept of CP because progression in 1.5 was severely stunted past V14 and people were getting sick of the game because their characters were not progressing. But now we have a horrible situation where everyone has completed all the content, but infinite XP-based progression is still in place.

I simply will never grind CP. I just can't. I can't force myself to grind goblins for hours or whatever. I will simply quit this game before that day comes. And it comes up ever more quickly when I consider just how out of reach the gap in CP is becoming between myself and grinders that already have 500+ CP.

The gap between the CP haves and have-nots is what is going to kill this game.

You're expected to grind Cracked Wood Cave 2.0, IC.

I am apt to agree, to many flaws covered up by too many flaws that were not addressed in beta.

FearlessOne_2014 · August 2015

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

Is there a tangible benefit from topping the leaderboards? Do you get some kind of gear?

Yes top groups on the leaderboards get yellow gear.

FearlessOne_2014 · August 2015

Dru1076 wrote: »

Woah...why is it everytime I see one of these threads now I want to quote Rodney King?

Seriously guys...there is no need to insult each other over this game. It is not constructive nor does it make any difference other than adding stress to what is all supposed to a source of entertainment.

It saddens me that no matter what, any thread discussing changes to the status quo in PVP results in such horrible behaviour. I hope Zos deliver cp free campaigns soon, because I think both camps have already put forward the same arguments so often there seems nothing to do now but childishly yell at each other. We have been told Zos are looking into cp free campaigns, but I wish that light at the end of tunnel would speed up a little before someone prays to the Nightmother.

Lol I'm almost ready to pray to the Nightmother and make the sacrament offering.

Jeckll · August 2015

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

Is there a tangible benefit from topping the leaderboards? Do you get some kind of gear?

Yes top groups on the leaderboards get yellow gear.

They were talking about top positions in Trial Leaderboards. We dont get yellow gear for being good at it.
But for @DaveMoeDee - it's our form of competition and saying it doesnt have to be fair because you dont get anything for it is stupid. With that logic, for any board game you ever played as a kid, cheating is okay because you didnt get anything for winning. If people realise CP are broken for PvP competition, it's clearly also that way for PvE competition.

Rayste · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

WHY no CP CAP yet?Imbalance is growing, more people leaving the game due to this CP system.

Makes Leaderboards meaningless
Makes newbies not even want to join PvP anymore.

I mean, cant be that hard to introduce a cap...really...its annoying as f....

The CP system is just another grind that ZOS forced upon us. It means absolutely nothing .... It is just like having to go to v14 currently and craft the best gear .... it is a ruse to hide lack of end game content (discussing what end game content actually is can be left for another topic).

Remove it, don't remove it... whatever ... we will all get there eventually. I currently sit at around the 300-400 range. I do feel that it could be shortened ALOT.

More importantly, decisions of where to put points need to mean something. Eventually everyone has every tree filled. Why not limit the points to say .... 1200 or so? Or even 2400 ..... Choices ...

AssaultLemming · August 2015

A cap just isn't practical, I would expect a catch up mechanism at some point, but the cap is 3600 and there is no practical way to make any other cap work.