WHY no CP CAP yet? The gap creates great imbalance in the game PvP+PvE, more and more quit the game

Alcast · August 2015

WHY no CP CAP yet?Imbalance is growing, more people leaving the game due to this CP system.

Makes Leaderboards meaningless
Makes newbies not even want to join PvP anymore.

I mean, cant be that hard to introduce a cap...really...its annoying as f....

Ayantir · August 2015

If zos didn't lied, there are are ~50 players with > 600 cp

so :

25 eu / 25 na

8 EU EP
8 EU AD
8 EU DC

8 NA EP
8 NA AD
8 NA DC

So you can mathematically get as ennemy ~16 over powered players due to their CP. That's not a "so big issue".

And they said there will be a cap at orsinium.
Guess it will be 400cp / dlc. So orsinium cap should be at 800. That's fair enought.

PS: 3600 CP = base game + 8 dlc.

Alcast · August 2015

Well being in Hardcore raid guild EP with an average of 400 CP I do care that AD/DC hardcore raid guilds most have 700+ CP

And please dont tell me I just should go grind...

Ayantir · August 2015

Biggest CP farmer that I personally know is at 670 and he's farming CP almost 8h/day since it's launch.
Don't think there are guilds with full rosters of 700cp guys. Maybe 1/2 guys at max in a single raid.

Leandor · August 2015

@Ayantir do you have a source for those numbers?

Alcast · August 2015

Ayantir wrote: »

Biggest CP farmer that I personally know is at 670 and he's farming CP almost 8h/day since it's launch.
Don't think there are guilds with full rosters of 700cp guys. Maybe 1/2 guys at max in a single raid.

If he farms every day 8h/day and only has 670 CP then he does a VERY bad job, just saying. I mean in the end, at some point around 900 CP it wont matter that much anymore...but for now, this *** gap that is getting bigger every day is annoying.

And for newbs in PvP it will be the mainreason to quit the game.

Ayantir · August 2015

@Leandor : Last Twitch or ask us anything, I don't know the name of thoses web broadcast. they only said ~50 players > 600cp

Divinius · August 2015

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

Taonnor · August 2015

I know 1 people in my guild with 600+, another with 500+. All other between 250-400.

Leandor · August 2015

Ayantir wrote: »

@Leandor : Last Twitch or ask us anything, I don't know the name of thoses web broadcast. they only said ~50 players > 600cp

Thanks, mate. I should really start watching them, but they are so tedious...

Alcast · August 2015

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

Prizax · August 2015

If I remember right in the last ESO Live they said that only 35 players got 600+ CP and the highest player is at 1,650+ CP...

Kilandros · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

The number of people with that many CPs is such a small percentage of the overall playerbase that their impact on gameplay (in both PvE and PvP) is negligible. If people want to grind for hundreds of hours to top the leaderboards or wreck pugs, that's fine with me. Thanks to Enlightenment CP numbers likely resemble a pretty standard bell curve. There's nothing wrong with having small percentages of outliers--in both directions--in an MMO.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · August 2015

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

Not true. When the Champion system was being tested on the PTS last January/February and everyone had all 3.6k CPs available, you could solo vDSA with crappy template gear. CP does affect PvE balance quite a lot.

Lava_Croft · August 2015

Champion Points are certainly an issue in PvE, since it makes balancing PvE content nigh impossible.

Swarog · August 2015

I have just 270 CP. I can't grind as insane, wife will point me to the door if I will do. I can rely only on my skills.

BEZDNA · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Well being in Hardcore raid guild EP with an average of 400 CP I do care that AD/DC hardcore raid guilds most have 700+ CP

And please dont tell me I just should go grind...

You spend to much time on forums insted of getting CP in game, go grind!

In general if you are good player you will keep wrecking the newbies eaven with 100 cp. Newbies will always suffer from experience players, that makes you statment about champion points irrelivant

Alcast · August 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

The number of people with that many CPs is such a small percentage of the overall playerbase that their impact on gameplay (in both PvE and PvP) is negligible. If people want to grind for hundreds of hours to top the leaderboards or wreck pugs, that's fine with me. Thanks to Enlightenment CP numbers likely resemble a pretty standard bell curve. There's nothing wrong with having small percentages of outliers--in both directions--in an MMO.

so you are totally find rewarding grinders for ENDLESS hours killing goblins? .....ok

BEZDNA · August 2015

Also ZoS sad that there are 35 ppl with more then 600 cp total. I don't know about NA, but i know more then 35 on EU who has more then 600 cp, so that shud be *snipe* information.

Alcast · August 2015

BEZDNA wrote: »

Also ZoS sad that there are 35 ppl with more then 600 cp total. I don't know about NA, but i know more then 35 on EU who has more then 600 cp, so that shud be *snipe* information.

I am sure those infos ZOS gave us were rigged. Also I do not trust them because their math/calculation skills are awful

Anazasi · August 2015

There is a cap 3600 that's all you can get. But I don't have a clue what you thing would be an appropriate way to cap it below that amount.

asneakybanana · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

BEZDNA wrote: »

Also ZoS sad that there are 35 ppl with more then 600 cp total. I don't know about NA, but i know more then 35 on EU who has more then 600 cp, so that shud be *snipe* information.

I am sure those infos ZOS gave us were rigged. Also I do not trust them because their math/calculation skills are awful

Totally agree with this. Am one of the higher players in my guild and I'm at 400 pretty much exactly. There are a couple that run dsa competitively that are closer to 500 and one player who just enjoys grinding for some god awful reason that's over 1k now xD. But I personally know at least 5 or 6 players that are over 600 and I don't really inqurie how many cp people have.

Kilandros · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Global CP caps are totally stupid.

Just make CP capped in PvP only. That's the only place where it's an issue.

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

The number of people with that many CPs is such a small percentage of the overall playerbase that their impact on gameplay (in both PvE and PvP) is negligible. If people want to grind for hundreds of hours to top the leaderboards or wreck pugs, that's fine with me. Thanks to Enlightenment CP numbers likely resemble a pretty standard bell curve. There's nothing wrong with having small percentages of outliers--in both directions--in an MMO.

so you are totally find rewarding grinders for ENDLESS hours killing goblins? .....ok

I'm not rewarding them anything. They chose to spend their time grinding CPs, so I'm fine with them having more CPs. You or I could have spent our time doing the same thing--we chose not to, so we have less.

Divinius · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

In PvE its also an issue, lol. Its a dps increase of 8k+ from 0 to around 500 CP.

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Not true. When the Champion system was being tested on the PTS last January/February and everyone had all 3.6k CPs available, you could solo vDSA with crappy template gear. CP does affect PvE balance quite a lot.

I'm not suggesting that CP doesn't have an effect on PvE, I'm saying that the effect it has doesn't matter.
Who cares if people do more damage in PvE? The only "competition" between players in PvE are things like leaderboards for times and such, and really? Capping CP globally (instead of just in PvP) solely because of PvE rankings is extra stupid.

Freeman · August 2015

@Alcast

Sounds like you have a Learn to Play issue. Instead of spending time trying to figure out how to imporve yourself/build/gear, you come to the forums and blame your lack of skill on 'all the players that have 1k CP'.

You also failed to mention how many points you have. Don't think you have very many? Well then go grind/get more points like everyone else that's put the time in. There are plenty of efficient spots to do so. Say you don't have time for that? Then find time if it's that important to you. Otherwise deal with it and be content with the points you do earn during the time you can play and maximize your gear/build/skill. You're still going to die at times no matter how many points you have. And you're not going to be handed everything because you whine and complain and don't want to put in the work for it.

OGLezard · August 2015

Freeman wrote: »

@Alcast

Sounds like you have a Learn to Play issue. Instead of spending time trying to figure out how to imporve yourself/build/gear, you come to the forums and blame your lack of skill on 'all the players that have 1k CP'.

You also failed to mention how many points you have. Don't think you have very many? Well then go grind/get more points like everyone else that's put the time in. There are plenty of efficient spots to do so. Say you don't have time for that? Then find time if it's that important to you. Otherwise deal with it and be content with the points you do earn during the time you can play and maximize your gear/build/skill. You're still going to die at times no matter how many points you have. And you're not going to be handed everything because you whine and complain and don't want to put in the work for it.

you must be new to how ESO works lol those who cry the loudest end up getting what they want......... It is the Forum META. Those with actual insightful information regarding ANYTHING with balance are ignore because their post are buried through the whining. It is exactly how we got into this horrid "balance" ZoS is trying to create

Dymence · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Well being in Hardcore raid guild EP with an average of 400 CP I do care that AD/DC hardcore raid guilds most have 700+ CP

And please dont tell me I just should go grind...

There are only a few individuals with such high CP, by no means do the hardcore raiding guilds all have this amount of CP.

Hexyl · August 2015

There will be a non-cp campaign no ?

Docmandu · August 2015

Alcast wrote: »

And please dont tell me I just should go grind...

Doesn't sound very hardcore to me then

<<- n00b with 175 CP

Alcast · August 2015

Dymence wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well being in Hardcore raid guild EP with an average of 400 CP I do care that AD/DC hardcore raid guilds most have 700+ CP

And please dont tell me I just should go grind...

There are only a few individuals with such high CP, by no means do the hardcore raiding guilds all have this amount of CP.

Some dude just told me 2h ago that he has 780 CP and he has to catch up to his guildies...he said there arent that much with such cp but in his guild there are 8-9 dudes. not gonna tell names tho. believe it or not i dont care.

Freeman wrote: »

@Alcast

Sounds like you have a Learn to Play issue. Instead of spending time trying to figure out how to imporve yourself/build/gear, you come to the forums and blame your lack of skill on 'all the players that have 1k CP'.

You also failed to mention how many points you have. Don't think you have very many? Well then go grind/get more points like everyone else that's put the time in. There are plenty of efficient spots to do so. Say you don't have time for that? Then find time if it's that important to you. Otherwise deal with it and be content with the points you do earn during the time you can play and maximize your gear/build/skill. You're still going to die at times no matter how many points you have. And you're not going to be handed everything because you whine and complain and don't want to put in the work for it.

I am sitting at 407 CP.

and NO GRINDING GOBLINS is not a l2p issue LOOOOL /holymotherofretardedness

prolly getting banned for that but w/e

Paulhewhewria · August 2015

Personally,I don't think caps are the answer,but something needs to be done about the CPs before it gets worse.