Plz remove champions points

mrskinskull · June 2015

Drakoleon wrote: »

Too late...the game has become already PAY to WIN (XP busters,potion and food buffers way over the crafted ones in crown store) What do you expect after that?
How could someone compete anyone with 5 times or more his CP points? Waste of time and waste of money paying for this game since release....
PVP is dead for me All this time i went through bugs,hacks, lag and now this.....I had enough of this
I ll stay playing pve till my plus is over... then...game over!

Calm down. Zos knows its kinda awful PvP is angering new comers. There is an official thread about their plans to shake the no lifers loose fro. Their buff servers by changing scoring methods for the servers among other changes.
Champ points prob suck until you get em. I don't have any yet but it does seem like a way to extend end game.

The real prob is the computer transfers. They brought over maxed out characters and are pissed there's no wasd. They might also be pissed about paying 15 bucks for over 12 months to beta test a buggy game into the awesome product console players got.

They will eventually finish their tantrum and go back to their dark side room or basement.
They have champion points but no DPS or fps calculating add one to crutch for them.
The PC add one make PvP easy and when the console players catch up, they won't need the crutches like the PC people do.
That is the exact moment the PC transfer vr14 vampire smoke god will toss his controller and deem the game broken and go back to safe, safe, maternal, w a s d.

Molsondry · June 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

The guy is obviously frustrated and he comes here to find some type of answers, like most of the player base, and all he gets are people bashing him. His grievances are well founded and this game is in major decline, we need something to fix it and expand it, and we need it now. Ive pretty much stopped playing other than to feed my horses and was pretty angry when I was hoping for at least some form of a decent patch this week and I log in to the forums to see " NO PC UPDATE FOR THE WEEK OF JUNE 22ND" yea.... so you go forum trolls. Keep pushing away all of the new players that are frustrated with the game... in the long run its not in any of our best interests to be pricks about the things zenimax has refused to fix thus far.

(Just an fyi, the game was liked more before patch 1.6 and it was a better more balanced game overall. Have fun with your exploiting.)

Im bringing all the fact up and the numbers to proof how this system lead into infinite ressource, imbalance , and makes single player GODS.

Yet no one did gave me a good argu to keep the CP still waiting for it.

I love the troll defending the CP's with not a single argue.

nimander99 · June 2015

I for one hope CP's are never removed!

Molsondry · June 2015

mrskinskull wrote: »

Drakoleon wrote: »

Too late...the game has become already PAY to WIN (XP busters,potion and food buffers way over the crafted ones in crown store) What do you expect after that?
How could someone compete anyone with 5 times or more his CP points? Waste of time and waste of money paying for this game since release....
PVP is dead for me All this time i went through bugs,hacks, lag and now this.....I had enough of this
I ll stay playing pve till my plus is over... then...game over!

Calm down. Zos knows its kinda awful PvP is angering new comers. There is an official thread about their plans to shake the no lifers loose fro. Their buff servers by changing scoring methods for the servers among other changes.
Champ points prob suck until you get em. I don't have any yet but it does seem like a way to extend end game.

The real prob is the computer transfers. They brought over maxed out characters and are pissed there's no wasd. They might also be pissed about paying 15 bucks for over 12 months to beta test a buggy game into the awesome product console players got.

They will eventually finish their tantrum and go back to their dark side room or basement.
They have champion points but no DPS or fps calculating add one to crutch for them.
The PC add one make PvP easy and when the console players catch up, they won't need the crutches like the PC people do.
That is the exact moment the PC transfer vr14 vampire smoke god will toss his controller and deem the game broken and go back to safe, safe, maternal, w a s d.

Sorry but there is no catch up mechanics the only one available is in the crown stor or you buy with gold and its still require enourmous amount of grinding. You will never catch up a 500 cp player as long he keeps playing and deminishing return like explained noumerous times , is not that much dimishing.

Stalwart385 · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?

I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.

Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.

They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.

Im here because eso is a great concept with pvp and if you look at all the succeed game atm right now. And champion system progression is gonna kill this game hard!

Why did I stop playing ?. Because of the pvp lag and the pvp meta where if you wanna win you stay in group of 24 stacked and spam 2 button, the fact there is no small scale instanced pvp. And last but an important one I dont wanna see , in any given pvp game, a single guy solo 20 men just because he had time to grind his 700 cp and farm (or buy) his 2 million gold for the best in game gear.

So you want champion points but don't want to work for them?

Sorry for my bad english I edited my post.

No I dont want champions point. and I dont wanna work for them either . I want to get in the game pvp and log off. right now if you wanna be competitive you have to grind 8hour/day. nonsense system

This is a MMO with character development. It takes about 1h to get a cp. You get enlightenment daily and it stacks. You can easily get those cp playing pvp. Maybe this just isn't the type of game for you. I work a full time job and don't get to play everyday. I don't expect to be on par with the lifers that grind all day. That's okay though, I can still be better than the vast majority. Learn to accept defeat and learn from it, don't rage over a progression system.

JD2013 · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?

I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.

Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.

They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.

Im here because eso is a great concept with pvp and if you look at all the succeed game atm right now. And champion system progression is gonna kill this game hard!

Why did I stop playing ?. Because of the pvp lag and the pvp meta where if you wanna win you stay in group of 24 stacked and spam 2 button, the fact there is no small scale instanced pvp. And last but an important one I dont wanna see , in any given pvp game, a single guy solo 20 men just because he had time to grind his 700 cp and farm (or buy) his 2 million gold for the best in game gear.

So you want champion points but don't want to work for them?

Sorry for my bad english I edited my post.

No I dont want champions point. and I dont wanna work for them either . I want to get in the game pvp and log off. right now if you wanna be competitive you have to grind 8hour/day. nonsense system

Ah okay I get where you're coming from now. I can see your point of view, but I have to disagree. There has to be some kind of always evolving progression in an mmo. Something for players to work for. If there isn't, if you can't make your character more and more powerful then what's the point in logging on?

Molsondry · June 2015

Stalwart385 wrote: »

This is a MMO with character development. It takes about 1h to get a cp. You get enlightenment daily and it stacks. You can easily get those cp playing pvp. Maybe this just isn't the type of game for you. I work a full time job and don't get to play everyday. I don't expect to be on par with the lifers that grind all day. That's okay though, I can still be better than the vast majority. Learn to accept defeat and learn from it, don't rage over a progression system.

Sorry but ive played the most popular mmo out there for years. And this is not a mmo progression system .Atleast not one that has pvp involved in it.

proof here thats my warlock

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/tichondrius/Molsondry/simple

Achieved arena master, Hero of the alliance and the last Heroic boss when it was current content And I was raiding progression
(I have the best pvp gear and am on par with everyone even tho I stopped playing 6 month ago)

But if there was no pvp I wouldnt even be here.

Im here for pvp and there is nothing fair in a champion system.

Like mentioned in my original post . Fine keep the Cp , then remove Cyro , any kind of pvp and leader boards for DSA and trials.

Pvp is about having everyone on the same level.

Alcast · June 2015

I am at 250CP and i am already WAY BEHIND of some ppl..

remove this *** system OR make Non-CP PvP Servers and Non-CP Leaderboard Modes

wally2000 · June 2015

Molsondry im agree with u about cp but i want ask u something that worries me
If u remove that and u dont put another system to kevel up sooner or later we will all have same sort of pg with max level max gear ,
I think best is not remove but fix it
What u think about it?

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO · June 2015

no, it stays!

Molsondry · June 2015

wally2000 wrote: »

Molsondry im agree with u about cp but i want ask u something that worries me
If u remove that and u dont put another system to kevel up sooner or later we will all have same sort of pg with max level max gear ,
I think best is not remove but fix it
What u think about it?

I think they could turn Cp into a Talent style system with a cap of 100 CP and it would be perfect actualy.

mrskinskull · June 2015

Stalwart385 wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?

I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.

Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.

They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.

Im here because eso is a great concept with pvp and if you look at all the succeed game atm right now. And champion system progression is gonna kill this game hard!

Why did I stop playing ?. Because of the pvp lag and the pvp meta where if you wanna win you stay in group of 24 stacked and spam 2 button, the fact there is no small scale instanced pvp. And last but an important one I dont wanna see , in any given pvp game, a single guy solo 20 men just because he had time to grind his 700 cp and farm (or buy) his 2 million gold for the best in game gear.

So you want champion points but don't want to work for them?

Sorry for my bad english I edited my post.

No I dont want champions point. and I dont wanna work for them either . I want to get in the game pvp and log off. right now if you wanna be competitive you have to grind 8hour/day. nonsense system

This is a MMO with character development. It takes about 1h to get a cp. You get enlightenment daily and it stacks. You can easily get those cp playing pvp. Maybe this just isn't the type of game for you. I work a full time job and don't get to play everyday. I don't expect to be on par with the lifers that grind all day. That's okay though, I can still be better than the vast majority. Learn to accept defeat and learn from it, don't rage over a progression system.

Quick question. Are you ebon pact or ald dominion when PvP?
I'm guessing ald dominion, too be so unconcerned with PvP.

Endurance · June 2015

I think ZOS needs to shut the game down for a few months and revamp alot of things then come back with a closed beta

Tonnopesce · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

So no its not like your saying its really far from it actualy.

For exemple If I have points invested in

Mage - Apprentice - Elemental Expert

100: 25% increased
200: 40% increased
400 : 65% increased.
1200: 142 % increased

WUT?
A single star is capped at 100 CP so you will never be able to reach + 142% in Elemental expert

Molsondry wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Nah CP are not the main issue, since i've tranferred to PS4 i play in pvp most of the time against people without CP and with my vr1 nightblade i still suffer against a skilled DK and i'm at 120 CP so by your logic the others vr 1 sould never be able to kill me...

What tell you he doesnt have Cp also. And if he is a tank DK he counter you btw. and 120 champions is not yet enough to carry a low skilled player.

Ty for assuming i'm a low skilled player ( i'm in the top 20 of the azura star campaign ).
But i can tell you that when the pvp post v1 boost will come no- one will cry about CP anymore, when my NB was under vet 1 i have 32k Healt 19k Magika and 19k Stamina now post v1 i have 17k Healt 22k Magika and 8k Stamina so even with 120+ CP i'm a lot easyer to kill now.

The Uninvited · June 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

But if there was no pvp I wouldnt even be here.

Im here for pvp and there is nothing fair in a champion system.

Like mentioned in my original post . Fine keep the Cp , then remove Cyro , any kind of pvp and leader boards for DSA and trials.

Pvp is about having everyone on the same level.

You are here only for PVP, but yet you request to remove leaderboards for PVE like DSA and trials?

Frenkthevile · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

its the same for magika and health someone with 3600 champion has infinite stam and inifnite magika (thking the ressource has to be scaled for somone with no champion point, atm there is no system to increase the ressource required when you cast as you get alot more ressource as you level) , a huge bunch of health and alot of regen not to mention the almost 75% increased dmg, increased mitigation, and all the passive. *** yeah All the passive bonus stack on top of the increased magika/health/stam making it even more of a broken system

So when im saying 100% stronger equal gear equal level . im not far from realityit might even be more then 100% . Is this acceptable for a mmo where there is pvp in ? no its not.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Do you realize Champions simply break skill level ?

No, it doesn't. It adds up or compensates a little, but doesn't break anything. In my opinion. Maybe you'd like to elaborate a little bit on your opinion instead of presenting it like an absolute truth.

Are you happy ? I bringed up fact.,everybody with a decent logic , would already know

What do you have to say agaisnt that?

That image demonstrates that at 500 CP you have a 20% bonus and at 3000CP only 30% more, so diminishing returns WORKS FINE.

Molsondry · June 2015

WUT?
A single star is capped at 100 CP so you will never be able to reach + 142% in Elemental expert

It was just an exemple to show the deminishing return is almost non existent.

Ty for assuming i'm a low skilled player ( i'm in the top 20 of the azura star campaign ).
But i can tell you that when the pvp post v1 boost will come no- one will cry about CP anymore, when my NB was under vet 1 i have 32k Healt 19k Magika and 19k Stamina now post v1 i have 17k Healt 22k Magika and 8k Stamina so even with 120+ CP i'm a lot easyer to kill now.

Being in the top 20 only mean you grinded more AP and spent more time in the campaing it doesnt reflect skill in any kind of way. Im sorry if you didnt know.

You are here only for PVP, but yet you request to remove leaderboards for PVE like DSA and trials?

Yes because i want fairness for all and a new guild with low cp will have absolutely no chance to be in the leader board agaisnt team with alots of cp.

That image demonstrates that at 500 CP you have a 20% bonus and at 3000CP only 30% more, so diminishing returns WORKS FINE.

You really dont understand read the whole thing and go on the website I linked . These stats are added only by putting point in the tree . this add 20% more stam, health,magika @ 500 cp But tehre are also the dmg buff , mitigation buff, regen buff that stack on this. So yeah 500 champions is only 20% increased for the main stats but then you have to stack the dmg,regen,mitigation buff on it and add the passive bonus , its more likely 40%-50% stonger @ 500 CP

FYI @ 3600 you have a bonus of 13.8 k in each of your main stats and all your passive bonus stack on it so its more likely about 16k . A guy with full gear @ lvlvr 14 has sl;ightly less then this amount of stats with 0 cp.

Mickey_Ox · June 2015

I quiet like the concept of cp's, there is always something to aim for. Theres something to work towards between content drops unlike so many other games where your still left grinding old content but getting nothing for it.

BigInGlenumbra · June 2015

Frenkthevile wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

its the same for magika and health someone with 3600 champion has infinite stam and inifnite magika (thking the ressource has to be scaled for somone with no champion point, atm there is no system to increase the ressource required when you cast as you get alot more ressource as you level) , a huge bunch of health and alot of regen not to mention the almost 75% increased dmg, increased mitigation, and all the passive. *** yeah All the passive bonus stack on top of the increased magika/health/stam making it even more of a broken system

So when im saying 100% stronger equal gear equal level . im not far from realityit might even be more then 100% . Is this acceptable for a mmo where there is pvp in ? no its not.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Do you realize Champions simply break skill level ?

No, it doesn't. It adds up or compensates a little, but doesn't break anything. In my opinion. Maybe you'd like to elaborate a little bit on your opinion instead of presenting it like an absolute truth.

Are you happy ? I bringed up fact.,everybody with a decent logic , would already know

What do you have to say agaisnt that?

That image demonstrates that at 500 CP you have a 20% bonus and at 3000CP only 30% more, so diminishing returns WORKS FINE.

To be fair it's only linear, it doesn't have that much DR

The problem is there will always be people who will reach the limit eventually, and that's problematic because it takes too long for the average player to reach such a level in order to compete with them in PvP.

With that said, the CP system should NOT be removed. It is actually a very good system in theory, but wasn't implemented with precision considering the divide it has caused.

The CP system show establish more diminishing returns on the passives of the champion system themselves, so that even though there will always be the select few that will grind their cardiovascular health away who have something high to strive for, but the further the go no matter how far they get negligible benefits over people who've only achieved a fraction of the CP points that the grinders have achieved.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Diminishing return on a stat is hardly the same as diminishing returns on a star. You have shown it takes 500 points to get the first half and 2500 points to get the second half. How is that not diminishing?

Molsondry · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Diminishing return on a stat is hardly the same as diminishing returns on a star. You have shown it takes 500 points to get the first half and 2500 points to get the second half. How is that not diminishing?

Can you read graphics . Does the graphic looks like it has a great deminishing return. No it doesnt it goes linear pretty damn quick

JD2013 · June 2015

"PVP is about having everyone on the same level" ...

picard-wut-meme-generator-excuse-me-that-s-not-proper-at-all-aef5b8.jpg

It's competitive. Not everyone will be on the same level.

BigInGlenumbra · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Diminishing return on a stat is hardly the same as diminishing returns on a star. You have shown it takes 500 points to get the first half and 2500 points to get the second half. How is that not diminishing?

It has LOW diminishing returns from 0 to 500, starts to stabilize from 500 to 100, and then is VERY linear from 1000 and up, with only a 1% decrease every 500 CP going up.

Take into account that MOST PLAYERS in PC are from 0 to 500, and 500 is already pretty high for many people.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Diminishing return on a stat is hardly the same as diminishing returns on a star. You have shown it takes 500 points to get the first half and 2500 points to get the second half. How is that not diminishing?

Can you read graphics . Does the graphic looks like it has a great deminishing return. No it doesnt it goes linear pretty damn quick

I know it looks like it but the fact remians the numbers dont lie. Sometimes you have to look beyond the photos and actually read the numbers on there.

TheLaw · June 2015

He has a "point". Champion points in their current implementation are not good for the player base. It's only function as a time sink, because Zeni refuses to produce more content. It can also make PVP unfair.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Noone ever said things would be fair across the board. If you want "fair" play spades or something. I really wish the devs would finally start locking these threads. The CP isnt going anywhere. They need to make that clear and stop all these spam posts. First all you guys complained about the vet system. Then you complain about the CP system. Whatever they replace CP with you will also complain about.

Guys need to grow up learn the world doesnt revolve around the small percentage of people who complain constantly about everything.

Tonnopesce · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

WUT?
A single star is capped at 100 CP so you will never be able to reach + 142% in Elemental expert

It was just an exemple to show the deminishing return is almost non existent.

Ty for assuming i'm a low skilled player ( i'm in the top 20 of the azura star campaign ).
But i can tell you that when the pvp post v1 boost will come no- one will cry about CP anymore, when my NB was under vet 1 i have 32k Healt 19k Magika and 19k Stamina now post v1 i have 17k Healt 22k Magika and 8k Stamina so even with 120+ CP i'm a lot easyer to kill now.

Being in the top 20 only mean you grinded more AP and spent more time in the campaing it doesnt reflect skill in any kind of way. Im sorry if you didnt know.

Well this is unexpected...

Not evryone in the lederboard is an AP farmer i joined the campaign 2 days ago and it is started 11 days ago i'm in the top 20 and i'm a ganker who cannot enter the keeps because i have a *** internet connection...

But stop talking about me, the more you talk the more this thread seems like a L2P issue.

Sorry mate but CP is the best thing that has happened in this game since april 2014.

Molsondry · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Noone ever said things would be fair across the board. If you want "fair" play spades or something. I really wish the devs would finally start locking these threads. The CP isnt going anywhere. They need to make that clear and stop all these spam posts. First all you guys complained about the vet system. Then you complain about the CP system. Whatever they replace CP with you will also complain about.

Guys need to grow up learn the world doesnt revolve around the small percentage of people who complain constantly about everything.

Veteran system doesnt brake the game like the CP system does. Yes veteran rank are pain to level but they dont affect the game much.

And we are not a small percentage thinking CP is bad for the healthy of the game its the majority. Atleast the majority thinks it need a revamp.

Why do you think the game is so unpopular ??? Maybe its because the majority like the champion system, or the left over bug for a year, or the non ending grind for vet rank , or the pvp lag, or all of them together??.

BigInGlenumbra · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Noone ever said things would be fair across the board. If you want "fair" play spades or something. I really wish the devs would finally start locking these threads. The CP isnt going anywhere. They need to make that clear and stop all these spam posts. First all you guys complained about the vet system. Then you complain about the CP system. Whatever they replace CP with you will also complain about.

Guys need to grow up learn the world doesnt revolve around the small percentage of people who complain constantly about everything.

Hahah why do you keep insisting that they're not going anywhere?
The players can influence ZOS to change them, so they definitely may go somewhere. How do you know? Who even are you? You are not working for ZOS so you do not say if a system stays or not.

Just because people complain doesn't mean there is not something wrong with the system. And the people who complain definitely aren't a small percentage. Grinders like you who benefit from the system the most are the small percentage, the percentage of which does not matter.

You are not looking at the arguments other people posted, you are labeling them as complaints instead of valid criticism. You are denying all sorts of criticism, and that's wrong and shows you have biases in favor of the CP system. You are ignoring many valid arguments.

So again I ask you since you do not work for ZOS and don't know their plans, who are you?

Molsondry · June 2015

Im still waiting for someone to bring some decent argument to why we should keep Cp as in current state.

Only argument we had so far is . Its here to stay . or.. Stop crying! or... Sorry mate but CP is the best thing that has happened in this game since april 2014. (WTF? ) Nothing valid here.

In the other hand we have a tons of argument why the cp system should be scraped or revamped

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