joshisanonymous wrote: »

Honestly, how many people are relying on detect pots to kill NBs right now anyway? I can't even recall watching any videos where someone has dropped a detect pot because they're usually running through tri-pots or something along those lines.

People don't usually put hide and seek matches against a NB on their videos. Just from what people say, if you solo or small group PVP at all, you absolutely must have detect pots at the ready.

Hahaha,

So

A detection potion, that helps you detect invisible enemies....

Wont be detecting invisible enemies anymore?

Where is the logic?

Sharee wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

With Radiant Magelight you literally have to be standing right on top of the Nightblade in order to be able to see him.

So radiant magelight negating cloak when you are right on top of a NB is not good enough.
But if radiant magelight negated bolt escape if you were right on top of a sorc, all hell would break loose about how OP that is.

- thought of the day

WHAT A GREAT IDEA!......Radiant Magelight should negate sorc Bolt escape as well.......ZOS....... take note of this.@Sharee. I like the way you think man:p

Someone else said it earlier, but if this change goes into effect it will be the worst thing for nb. The QQ around cloak will be epic and it will be nerfed.

Garion wrote: »

I have heard this thrown around a lot, but I haven't seen it dev confirmed. Can you (or someone) provide a source for this, just out of interest? If it is true, I really need to get levelling my NB!

Me either, yet. I may have missed it, but I'll speak as if it is true. Assuming it is, you can still use pbaoe's or gtaoe just as you do now to pop them (cloak also removes four damage over time effects per cast, not all of them, to clear up the confusion some people have saying it clears all dot's), and Radiant Magelight has a solid 15 meter or so radius (aka 30 meter wide circle) that it automatically reveals enemies in sneak or invisibility like cloak inside of. It additionally provides both you and nearby allies with a 56% damage reduction against attacks made from sneak, which is worth the price of admission on its own even since you still also get the spellcrit full-time and gain 2% max magicka towards your damage (though you lose 3% max off of your available resource pool from the debuff when using it).

I see no problem with this change and think it is long overdue that detect pots (many people including myself run them full-time even alongside radiant magelight or inner light in pvp caster builds for the magicka regen and spelldmg buff in the first place, and they don't suffer from the ability-cooldown bug that makes you unable to cast for a second after using them like the plain old spellcrit/dmg/magregen version does currently) don't nearly nullify the usefulness of one of the (what normally should be) key survival/repositioning skills on the Nightblade class.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

LINK TO SOURCE OR ITS NOT TRUE.... dont post threads if you cant even post sources..

Follow this thread, I tagged two ZOS employees/Devs. They are usually pretty good about getting back to us on information if we ask, so you will most likely get your final answer about this on this thread from one of the Devs in green writing. Be patient

...........................................? What? So, wait... you don't actually know but are posting saying it is the case without having any evidence, and are hoping it turns out to be when a dev replies to the tempest you stirred up under false pretenses?

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

LINK TO SOURCE OR ITS NOT TRUE.... dont post threads if you cant even post sources..

Follow this thread, I tagged two ZOS employees/Devs. They are usually pretty good about getting back to us on information if we ask, so you will most likely get your final answer about this on this thread from one of the Devs in green writing. Be patient

...........................................? What? So, wait... you don't actually know but are posting saying it is the case without having any evidence, and are hoping it turns out to be when a dev replies to the tempest you stirred up under false pretenses?

OP likes to make these threads.

Hmmmm.... yeah, seems so. That one had a link, but it didn't substantiate his claims. This one doesn't even have that .

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I have heard this thrown around a lot, but I haven't seen it dev confirmed. Can you (or someone) provide a source for this, just out of interest? If it is true, I really need to get levelling my NB!

Me either, yet. I may have missed it, but I'll speak as if it is true. Assuming it is, you can still use pbaoe's or gtaoe just as you do now to pop them (cloak also removes four damage over time effects per cast, not all of them, to clear up the confusion some people have saying it clears all dot's), and Radiant Magelight has a solid 15 meter or so radius (aka 30 meter wide circle) that it automatically reveals enemies in sneak or invisibility like cloak inside of. It additionally provides both you and nearby allies with a 56% damage reduction against attacks made from sneak, which is worth the price of admission on its own even since you still also get the spellcrit full-time and gain 2% max magicka towards your damage (though you lose 3% max off of your available resource pool from the debuff when using it).

I see no problem with this change and think it is long overdue that detect pots (many people including myself run them full-time even alongside radiant magelight or inner light in pvp caster builds for the magicka regen and spelldmg buff in the first place, and they don't suffer from the ability-cooldown bug that makes you unable to cast for a second after using them like the plain old spellcrit/dmg/magregen version does currently) don't nearly nullify the usefulness of one of the (what normally should be) key survival/repositioning skills on the Nightblade class.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

LINK TO SOURCE OR ITS NOT TRUE.... dont post threads if you cant even post sources..

Follow this thread, I tagged two ZOS employees/Devs. They are usually pretty good about getting back to us on information if we ask, so you will most likely get your final answer about this on this thread from one of the Devs in green writing. Be patient

...........................................? What? So, wait... you don't actually know but are posting saying it is the case without having any evidence, and are hoping it turns out to be when a dev replies to the tempest you stirred up under false pretenses?

Also speaking as if everything posted about detect potions not countering cloak were true.

Cloak would then be the only ability that can only be countered directly (i don´t consider any aoe but steel tornado a direct counter bc either the range is pitiful and nightblades are one of the classes with a ranged root ability and most ranged aoes have a animation-hit-delay) by slotting an ability on both of your hotbars AND meleeing your opponent (even for ranged builds).
That sounds stupidly op of you think it through imho.

honestly pretty insane they are buffing one of the most op skills in the game. because why ? how is magicka supposed to counter nb's besides turstling or running if we can't intiate anything. very boring gameplay.

OHHH EMMM GEEE Pots no longer work against Cloak!!!! Oh my god like what are you thinking Zene!!!!

It should sooooo be like if a NB uses Cloak they lose 90% of resources to make it more fair.

Wing wrote: »

I didn't realize all those times I was killed while playing my magicka NB it was only because of a potion, I thought for sure people were doing other things but the more you know.

seriously though I want it spelled out by all of you complaining. plain English so us baddies can see exactly what your saying.

just type this:

I cannot kill a nightblade without a detect pot.

go for it, that's what your saying and I will totally +1, thumbs up, agree, etc. with your post then. because as it stands I find it very hard to believe that this singular potion is holding back the nightblade hordes.

still not as bad as F'ing streak, how a single build/class gets the best offense, defense, and mobility at the same time is beyond me. least cloak you can aoe them to death while they try to slink away. not so for those flipin sorcs, but of course #balance.

Nightblades are higher damage, in any case, while sporting some great class-based leech heals and high-availability access to damage boosts such as major + minor berserks (33% damage increase) along with a 20% stackable one from their 50 cost utlimate (which also adds crit for being slotted, and +10 ultimate gained per kill to boot, while being a high damage heal-debuff attack). Sorc streaking is easy to deal with: chase by popping retreating manuevers and sprinting with weapon sheathed... root them... cc them... or LOS them. They then either must abandon the fight (then they're out of your hair, anyway) or circle back to actually do anything to you (then they're in range to attack again!). Chasing a fleeing enemy for 1-2 minutes straight is just silly... if you're doing that, it's on you, not their movement skill .

Also I'd say it's pretty easy to argue that nightblades, once this change goes into effect, will have better PVP offense and mobility than sorcs, though arguably they will be a little worse off on defense as the only high strength long-duration (20s+) shield that absorbs physical damage is on the sorc class (short ones are available of equal or better strength through the Undaunted skill line with damage reflection such as Spiked Bone Shield, and the Restoration Staff skill line with Ward Ally, but their shorter length (6 seconds) makes them immediately proactive or even plain reactive moves generally). However, when on my nightblade, having a built-in 4-dot cleanse and major armor buff alongside projectile interruption on a skill you also use for mobility and positioning is a powerful argument towards us being fine on that front, anyway .

A stronger shield for magical damage types is available to everyone, however, in the form of Harness Magicka (which actually gains magicka for you when built into a magicka build, per cast, when it is hit three times) or its other morph (better if resource regeneration and sustain isn't an issue in your build) that adds a large amount of extra shield strength, known as Dampen Magic (gains 6% strength per light armor piece worn, capping at 42% with 7 pieces, though more commonly you would wear either 2 or 5 (5 piece light armor passives, or 5 pieces of medium/heavy with two light ones equipped, or 5/1/1 to maximize the undaunted skill passive for wearing multiple armor types), for a typical strength gain of 12 or 30%).

I find it fascinating how many people speak as though they are only a particular class. Do you not play more than one character, or have you never done so? That's both a rhetorical, and honest, question.

Poxheart wrote: »

I'll say it again, as someone that plays a magicka nightblade (and who has played stamina nightblade, too), I am against this proposed change.

The counters put forth by those in favor of this proposed change are non-viable options. The detection distance from magelight is minuscule (as tested with a friend on the PTS) and would have to be doubled or tripled to be effective. It is laughably easy to get away from one or two people using pbaoe and gtaoe as it is now and will be even easier if detect pots no longer work against cloak. Most stamina and magicka nightblades have some form of speed buff so can get out of range of any AOE ability that are used. This may not help much against a large group spamming AOEs, but that's to be expected. When the cloak skill is used the "hidden" indicator appears below my crosshairs, which strongly suggests that there is no game mechanic difference between the stealth provided by cloak and that provided by crouching (regardless of what the tooltip says).

How, exactly, is this a problem? You speak of it making strong connotation towards thinking it's wrong for an escape or repositioning tool to be usable for those purposes, but don't specify why you feel that way. GTAOE, blocking, pre-bubbling, GTAE dot's (hm, anyone heard of Caltrops, Liquid Lightning, or Eruption around here? ), and Radiant Magelight all are strong tools to counter the impact in small-scale scenarios, and there are dozens more in medium-group or larger play.

If you are so certain, by the way, that you feel Radiant Magelight's area is "miniscule" (it is actually around 25-30 meters wide total, which is a very large area... think of how far away Steel Tornado can hit you (12.5 meter radius, aka 25 meter wide circle), for example, and it's around that idea)... why did you neglect to test, while already logged in to do so on the right characters and everything, and realize that sneak and invisiblity do indeed function differently in the game mechanics? Perhaps you didn't actually log in and are speculating, while presenting your thoughts as factual... or perhaps you didn't think to do so in the first place? Either way, it's a disservice to constructive discussion to do say things that you either know are disingenuous, or didn't ever check . (Signed, a V10 nightblade and dragonknight player during closed beta and carrying into live and the additions of v12 and v14, who now has multiple decked-out dragonknights and nightblades, a magicka sorc, and is working on leveling both stam and magicka templars now .)

Increase the duration of the invisibility to 5+ seconds and make it channeled like mist form.

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Increase the duration of the invisibility to 5+ seconds and make it channeled like mist form.

That's what mist form is for. Nightblade cloak is an in-combat positioning and avoidance skill .

Poxheart wrote: »

I have a VR14 nightblade & I think this proposed change is a horrible idea. This, coupled with the proposed change to flame lash/concealed weapon will make nightblades even more powerful than they already are.

I have two NBs and I second this.. One V14 Argo(thanks for nerfing us for no reason ZOS..) and the other is a V12 Wood Elf. If these changes go through NB will undoubtedly be OP and practically unstoppable.

I really hope this is a troll thread.. If not @ZOS_BrianWheeler needs to wake up and actually play the game.

Streak is a decent "getouttacloakmofo" ability, but you need some luck to hit the right area.

Araxleon wrote: »

saintmurray wrote: »

If this is true then PVP is done, NB are basically a superclass atm, unless you are aware every second you are in pvp you are already dead.....

Sorc is also a super class in its own sense, Crazy DPS and shields, now NB can be up there. They just need to buff templar and DK to reach our god tiers :P

their dps is infact laughable low their burst is quite nice (but still lowere than what a NB is capable of).


regarding a source if i remember correct they spoke about it in ESO live from 15th of may.