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So now that Detect Pots will no longer work against Cloak in 1.7
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How exactly will anyone kill a Nightblade with these changes??
With Radiant Magelight you literally have to be standing right on top of the Nightblade in order to be able to see him. Detect Pots are the only thing that enables someone to even stand a chance against a good Nightblade. And your going to make Detect Pots useless against Cloak?
1.You can't target or tab target a Nightblade when he Cloaks.
2.Can't hit him with any Single Target abilties while he is Cloaked.
3.Casting a Meteor Ulty on a Nightblade will result in him Cloaking before impact and it missing even if he didn't move.
4.Any projectile fired at him will miss just by simply Cloaking, if he moves or not.
5.1 Morph gives guaranteed Crit Strike Chance on next attack
6.1 Morph removes Dots on activation.
If this change is allowed, Cloak becomes the most powerful combat repositioning skill in the game, yes even better then Bolt Escape as it allows the NB to only enter and exit combat at will, but it also gives him 100% control of an engagement and will always have his opponent playing defense. Bolt Escape NEVER gives the Sorc a 100% offensive advantage and the ability to control the tempo of a fight...its one thing to run and reposition, its a whole other matter to appear and dissapear at will, with a Radiant Magelight skill that will only reveal them if they are 1m from you, while also getting all the bonuses of sneak attack damage multiple times during a fight.
I am all about nerfing the duration of Detect Pots, I think they do last a tad bit too long, but making Cloak immune to detect pots alltogether will just make the most powerful burst class in the game even more powerful, and Cloak will have no viable counters, RML will require you to get mega close to the NB to be feared to death, that is if it even works and its bugged most of the time.
Can someone please explain the reasoning behind this. I can't for the life of me see how this could be balanced, every other class will be at a complete disadvantage against this except other Nightblades. It will then just play a game of who can Cloak the most.
If this change is to go through, then Radiant Magelight needs a HUGE buff, its reveal radius needs to be increased tremendously if its to be a viable counter to Cloak which according to its tooltip it is because it clearly states "Reveal hidden and invisible enemies"
I just want confirmation...are you changing Cloak so Detect Pots no longer work against it?
Edited by RinaldoGandolphi on June 19, 2015 3:43PM How exactly will anyone kill a Nightblade with these changes??
With Radiant Magelight you literally have to be standing right on top of the Nightblade in order to be able to see him. Detect Pots are the only thing that enables someone to even stand a chance against a good Nightblade. And your going to make Detect Pots useless against Cloak?
1.You can't target or tab target a Nightblade when he Cloaks.
2.Can't hit him with any Single Target abilties while he is Cloaked.
3.Casting a Meteor Ulty on a Nightblade will result in him Cloaking before impact and it missing even if he didn't move.
4.Any projectile fired at him will miss just by simply Cloaking, if he moves or not.
5.1 Morph gives guaranteed Crit Strike Chance on next attack
6.1 Morph removes Dots on activation.
If this change is allowed, Cloak becomes the most powerful combat repositioning skill in the game, yes even better then Bolt Escape as it allows the NB to only enter and exit combat at will, but it also gives him 100% control of an engagement and will always have his opponent playing defense. Bolt Escape NEVER gives the Sorc a 100% offensive advantage and the ability to control the tempo of a fight...its one thing to run and reposition, its a whole other matter to appear and dissapear at will, with a Radiant Magelight skill that will only reveal them if they are 1m from you, while also getting all the bonuses of sneak attack damage multiple times during a fight.
I am all about nerfing the duration of Detect Pots, I think they do last a tad bit too long, but making Cloak immune to detect pots alltogether will just make the most powerful burst class in the game even more powerful, and Cloak will have no viable counters, RML will require you to get mega close to the NB to be feared to death, that is if it even works and its bugged most of the time.
Can someone please explain the reasoning behind this. I can't for the life of me see how this could be balanced, every other class will be at a complete disadvantage against this except other Nightblades. It will then just play a game of who can Cloak the most.
If this change is to go through, then Radiant Magelight needs a HUGE buff, its reveal radius needs to be increased tremendously if its to be a viable counter to Cloak which according to its tooltip it is because it clearly states "Reveal hidden and invisible enemies"
I just want confirmation...are you changing Cloak so Detect Pots no longer work against it?
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✭I have heard this thrown around a lot, but I haven't seen it dev confirmed. Can you (or someone) provide a source for this, just out of interest? If it is true, I really need to get levelling my NB!Lastobeth - VR16 Sorc - PvP Rank 41 (AD)
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Kobaal✭✭✭✭✭um.... This only affects cloak.... So if they are just regular stealthed and waiting to ambush you, your detect pot will still work.... This is only for cloak which is like a 2.9 sec stealth for use during combat...
So this is about fixing cloak.... not nerfing detect pots.Edited by Kobaal on June 19, 2015 3:33PMKobaal - VR16 Dragon Knight - PC [NA] Azura Star
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✭oh and Revealing Flare is worthless.. Please increase radius by 150%
if they make cloak ignore Detect pots, thats just silly as the only ones who will be able to keep track of a NB is another NB (percing mark)
I have been on top of a sneaking enemy with a build intended to detect them, the radius is so terrible on detecting enemies that you have to be in their melee range to even have a chance of knowing where they are. trying to find a stealthed player while they are stealthed is a impossible task if they have those medium armor and racials alone.
im going to 100% agree with OP here... there needs to be a major buff to Radiant Magelight. like making it add 50m to the detection radius or so.. but i dont think that will help against NB cloak since detection radius doesnt effect that hide in the first place..Edited by Hypertionb14_ESO on June 19, 2015 3:33PMI play every class in every situation. I love them all.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have leveled up a magica NB when rumor started spreading that this would be a possible change. Should this go through the only thing that comes remotely close to countering cloak is steel tornado.
I´m ready. My NB only needs a few vet levels which translates to a few hours of grind with ne new xp potions.
On the bright side. If they change cloak to work that way we´re going to see NBs and stealth mechanics absolutly nerfed into oblivion the patch after that change
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k1llorbek1lled✭✭✭um.... This only affects cloak.... So if they are just regular stealthed and waiting to ambush you, your detect pot will still work.... This is only for cloak which is like a 2.9 sec stealth for use during combat...
So this is about fixing cloak.... not nerfing detect pots.
Yeah and? My NB alt can cloak 28 times in a row, and im sure people can do even more. That's like 81 seconds I think...
If this is for real this is just another unbalanced mechanic with no thought or anything into this from Zos... once again they clearly DO NOT pvp at all, way to go...Edited by k1llorbek1lled on June 19, 2015 3:38PMstop the zerging6 -
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✭✭✭Watch a bunch of players put their sorcs away and dust off their old NB. Watch players start rolling new NB builds. It's how the world turns.
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✭✭✭✭This was mentioned in the most recent AMA/Video thing they had a few weeks ago right around when they announced they were changing Flame Lash and Concealed Weapon so it would no longer be dodgeable.I can't find it now, but im pretty sure it was mentioned because its all the talk right now among Nightblades.Edited by RinaldoGandolphi on June 19, 2015 3:47PMRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Dear god, i would probably not survive this change, detect pots are the only none wasteful way to fight a NB on even footing. And to the dude who said, "well you can get them before they get you with a detect pot". LOL what the hell, you are not going to know they are coming to even waste a detect pot. you would have to spam the hell out of them just to see if someone is near you, aka dumb.
Please increase the detect radius for RML and Flare by another 15m to actually be useful if you decide to do this dumb change, k thanks.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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✭✭✭k1llorbek1lled wrote: »um.... This only affects cloak.... So if they are just regular stealthed and waiting to ambush you, your detect pot will still work.... This is only for cloak which is like a 2.9 sec stealth for use during combat...
So this is about fixing cloak.... not nerfing detect pots.
Yeah and? My NB alt can cloak 28 times in a row, and im sure people can do even more. That's like 81 seconds I think...
If this is for real this is just another unbalanced mechanic with no thought or anything into this from Zos... once again they clearly DO NOT pvp at all, way to go...
I guess adding a cool down between popping cloak would fix what you speak of?Edited by Publius_Scipio on June 19, 2015 6:52PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »Watch a bunch of players put their sorcs away and dust off their old NB. Watch players start rolling new NB builds. It's how the world turns.
Whatever gets you the best chance for the most kills RIGHT GREAT GAME MASTERS OF ESO!!!!!??????
Almost every player i know with access to both v14 NB and sorc is already playing their NB right now...<Noricum>
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Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »This was mentioned in the most recent AMA/Video thing they had a few weeks ago right around when they announced they were changing Flame Lash and Concealed Weapon so it would no longer be dodgeable.I can't find it now, but i know it was mentioned.
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k1llorbek1lled✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »k1llorbek1lled wrote: »um.... This only affects cloak.... So if they are just regular stealthed and waiting to ambush you, your detect pot will still work.... This is only for cloak which is like a 2.9 sec stealth for use during combat...
So this is about fixing cloak.... not nerfing detect pots.
Yeah and? My NB alt can cloak 28 times in a row, and im sure people can do even more. That's like 81 seconds I think...
If this is for real this is just another unbalanced mechanic with no thought or anything into this from Zos... once again they clearly DO NOT pvp at all, way to go...
I guess adding a cool down being popping cloak would fix what you speak of?
Good idea... but then it might break NBs. Imo they should just leave the skills that go through dodge, and leave detect pots alone.stop the zerging3 -
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✭✭✭I have a VR14 nightblade & I think this proposed change is a horrible idea. This, coupled with the proposed change to flame lash/concealed weapon will make nightblades even more powerful than they already are.
I read more about sorc builds annoying everyone in Cyrodiil rather than NB being too powerful.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Rook_Master wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »This was mentioned in the most recent AMA/Video thing they had a few weeks ago right around when they announced they were changing Flame Lash and Concealed Weapon so it would no longer be dodgeable.I can't find it now, but i know it was mentioned.
I gotta go back and watch that because if that's true, then GG.
Yeah its the word going around. At first, i scoffed the idea and said "no they wouldn't do that", but now its all i hear folks talking about so thats why i made this thread and asked for clairification, i want to know for sure if this change is actually going to happen, and if it is, how will we hope to counter the skill then?
I am hoping we can get a definitive answer to this. As i see others on this thread have already started leveling Nightblades in preparation of this change which makes me think there may be more to this then just rumor.
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✭Detect pots will no longer work on cloak?!
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✭The most dangerous and common variety are stamina NB's, who will not generally be spamming cloak. With my sorc, I also find Mines and Lightning Flood to be very useful against them.
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✭The most dangerous and common variety are stamina NB's, who will not generally be spamming cloak. With my sorc, I also find Mines and Lightning Flood to be very useful against them.
Good nightblades are very dangerous. I play a mediocre one, and even I can present a bit of danger
Even a stsmina NB has enough mana to use it a few times. And if that fails he can dodge roll across the whole map anyway!
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✭✭I think NB are pretty dang strong as is. If detect pots won't work against Cloak it will be a true nightmare. Detect Pots are a 100% necessity in Cyrodiil right now (which is BS already). I went without them for a couple of weeks and any decently played NB can toy with you for however long they want.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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EdTerra✭✭✭Good new, this pot is a pain and it SHOULDN'T be able to replace a spell when our spell bar is restricted to 5 spell * 2
now use spells who were designed for counter our cloak.
no more *** pot who give you crit spell + magicka + regen magicka + detection, that's ridiculous.
or creat a pot with ONLY detection, it could be a nice deal to put the pot in cd for only detection.
Buuuuuuut, stamina nb will be gods with those patch, "INFINITE trololol I dodge everything" + this....
They will have an incredible escape, even sorc will be jealous...Edited by EdTerra on June 19, 2015 4:30PM[EU] AD - Erdril v16 N(oo)B | AR40
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✭✭✭✭Good new, this pot is a pain and it SHOULDN'T be able to replace a spell when our spell bar is restricted to 5 spell * 2
now use spells who were designed for counter our cloak.
no more *** pot who give you crit spell + magicka + regen magicka + detection, that's ridiculous.
Buuuuuuut, stamina nb will be gods with those patch, "INFINITE trololol I dodge everything" + this....
They will have an incredible escape, even sorc will be jealous...
Right because all the time i spent leveling Alchemy to 50, running around the world competing with other players to gather the needed plants to make these pots should just be tossed out the window for your precious Cloak.....my time investment should mean nothing.
Oh buy them you say? its a significant Gold Investment to buy Detect Pots(The good tri stat ones) so the person using them is giving up just as much, perhaps more, to counter 1 skill on your bar....I wish Bolt Escape cost thousands of gold pert stack to counter instead of a simple gap closer......
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EdTerra✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Good new, this pot is a pain and it SHOULDN'T be able to replace a spell when our spell bar is restricted to 5 spell * 2
now use spells who were designed for counter our cloak.
no more *** pot who give you crit spell + magicka + regen magicka + detection, that's ridiculous.
Buuuuuuut, stamina nb will be gods with those patch, "INFINITE trololol I dodge everything" + this....
They will have an incredible escape, even sorc will be jealous...
Right because all the time i spent leveling Alchemy to 50, running around the world competing with other players to gather the needed plants to make these pots should just be tossed out the window for your precious Cloak.....my time investment should mean nothing.
Oh buy them you say? its a significant Gold Investment to buy Detect Pots(The good tri stat ones) so the person using them is giving up just as much, perhaps more, to counter 1 skill on your bar....I wish Bolt Escape cost thousands of gold pert stack to counter instead of a simple gap closer......
pots aren't useless, it have to be strong but not as strong as detect pot are atm.
It's to powerfull, and better than a detect skill, this is not normal
magicka+regen magicka+ crit spell+ detection is a joke.
If a pot can be able to see us, this shouldn't be stronger than a spell who were designed for...EdTerra wrote:or creat a pot with ONLY detection, it could be a nice deal to put the pot in cd for only detection.[EU] AD - Erdril v16 N(oo)B | AR40
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✭✭AOEs still trigger and help find stealthed enemies. Cloaks and invisibility are easily countered by caltrops and other AOEs. As it stands, Nightblades can't rely on Dark Cloak or other forms of stealth because it's easily bugged/broken (half the time, my Dark Cloak only lasts for half a second as it is).
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Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭AOEs still trigger and help find stealthed enemies. Cloaks and invisibility are easily countered by caltrops and other AOEs. As it stands, Nightblades can't rely on Dark Cloak or other forms of stealth because it's easily bugged/broken (half the time, my Dark Cloak only lasts for half a second as it is).
99% of the time someone says cloak is bugged is because someone is using a detect pot.
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✭✭✭✭LINK TO SOURCE OR ITS NOT TRUE.... dont post threads if you cant even post sources..
Follow this thread, I tagged two ZOS employees/Devs. They are usually pretty good about getting back to us on information if we ask, so you will most likely get your final answer about this on this thread from one of the Devs in green writing. Be patient
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