DODGE ROLL NEEDS NERF

TheBull · March 2015

Funniest request ever. Please by all means all you wannabe flavor of the monthers continue to nerf yourself by stacking regen and dodge rolling. PLEASE!

edit -Every time I saw one this week trying what they read on the forums I giggled a little inside.
edit-Go ahead dodge roll me to death

Roechacca · March 2015

TheBull wrote: »

Funniest request ever. Please by all means all you wannabe flavor of the monthers continue to nerf yourself by stacking regen and dodge rolling. PLEASE!

edit -Every time I saw one this week trying what they read on the forums I giggled a little inside.
edit-Go ahead dodge roll me to death

It always ends up like this ...

http://youtu.be/AS4bPgwizqc

Grasshopper · March 2015

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm so sick of chasing these little [snip] grasshoppers all over Cyrodiil.

Is there anything wrong with grasshoppers? we have feelings also you know

More on topic by dodge rolling they are depleting their resources drop some crowd control on them. If you do that you can punish them for having no resources to break free or counter important combos.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · March 2015

I like when they roll. I just cast double take over and over and follow them. I never run out of magicka and they never run out of stamina. Then we stop, realize the war is pointless and just dance. True story.

badmojo · March 2015

There were very few complaints about this before stamina builds became viable.

OtarTheMad · March 2015

I... If you... just... why? Why start this thread? Let them dodge roll... I usually stand there and let the rest of the players chase the enemy around... when the enemy is obviously out of stamina I attack. Same goes for those who run around the towers... I can't stop laughing watching everyone chase this one dude.

TequilaFire · March 2015

Keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin'
What?
Keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin'
Come on
Keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin'
Yea
Keep rollin' rollin' rollin' rollin'

You wanna mess with Limp Bizkit?

Don't stand in the stupid!

Forestd16b14_ESO · March 2015

Shors bones this thread is still open ? WOOT KEEP ROLLIN :-D

OrphanHelgen · March 2015

The meta is don't chase. And pls don't nerf roll dodge just because you have to chase another player who invested in 7 medium and champion points into roll dodge. I need to roll dodge in DSA! Then nerf all the aoe in pve as well.

Cody · March 2015

With all the damage shield spam, I honestly feel stamina builds deserve something like this to even the score.

however, maybe a SMALL reduction is in order.

SMALL.

Until CC spam and damage shield spam/stacking lets down, let us stamina builders have our own ace in the hole; as i'll call it.

Cody · March 2015

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm so sick of chasing these little [snip] grasshoppers all over Cyrodiil. No one should be able to dodge roll infinitely. ZOS needs to increase the cost for consecutive rolls. It's meant to be a quick escape you use at the correct time to avoid a big hit, but instead its part of everyone's normal rotation. Ability, dodge roll, ability dodge roll etc. It's lame and makes the combat very frustrating, cheesy and unskillful.

Adapt, a moving target is harder to hit.

So dodge rollers like myself, should just stand still and let you kill us?, really?

And its not that difficult to kill dodge rollers, try getting some skill instead of whining about it.

Lol not that hard to kill dodge rollers? You can dodge roll INFINITELY without any time in between rolls. You clearly don't understand the concept or you would know that it is an UNSKILLFUL mechanic. It's more skillful to have to time your rolls than to just spam them.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

and LA players can stack damage shields "infinitely"

may as well look at both sides of the spectrum.

magicka players have a crap ton of damage shields, stamina players have a crap ton of rolls.

Deal with it.

Cody · March 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Soloeus wrote: »

Dodge Roll needs a x3 cost for 12 seconds after the most recent Dodge Roll you used. Similar to the Bolt Escape nerf a long time ago.

Why stop there?

GDB should cost 3x more for 12 seconds after the most recent GDB.
Hardened ward shoud cost 3x more for 12 seconds after the most recent ward
Blazing shield shoud cost 3x more for 12 seconds after the most recent blazing shield
Breath of life...
flame whip...
...
...
blazing spear...
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impulse...
...

Why? Because i do not like it when my opponent uses those multiple times in a row! (as good a reason as any)

you forgot Fear

Cody · March 2015

My build is pure DPS. I NEED dodge rolling just to survive. If i can only dodge roll 1 time like you want me to, im screwed. I have 18K HP, I do not have a damage shield to spam or self heals to use(I am a stamina DW/bow NB I literally have no damage shields or good self heals) so dodge rolling is my "sustaining ability" If I am hit by even ONE hard hitting attack, my chances of victory literally go to almost 0%. If i do not dodge roll, I WILL DIE.(similar to how LA players will die if they don't stack/spam damage shields. I guess those should be nerfed too since you want this nerfed)

and i cannot do it for 5 minutes straight. I can do it 10 times from 100% stamina. 10 is no where near infinite. I suppose one could do it for 5 minutes straight; but they would have to be very specifically built for it, and that person would do absolutely squat for damage(like how BE spammers were after the nerf for example)

How about instead of nerfing all the survivalbility abilities, and turning PvP into nothing but who has the highest burst damage, we look at what is forcing us to spam all these dodge rolls. All these sudden spikes in damage(14K lethal arrows, 15K WBs, all that good stuff) , insane regain rates(1.5K stamina regain every 2 seconds for a 24K stamina pooler is crazy. If they get cost reductions and use a heavy attack every now and then, they will not run out of stamina; same for magicka) and the problems with the champion system. Look at the CAUSE of all the chaos, and not at how people cope with it.

I too dislike things like endless roll dodging and everything associated with it, but its necessary right now due to these insane damage numbers. Once the 20K WBs and the 30K meteors get toned down, maybe then we can talk about toning down survivablitly.

so until i stop getting hit for 14K from lethal arrow in all epic/legendary medium armor, I will stop spamming roll dodge.

Sav72 · March 2015

Complains? About dodge roll?

Lets talk about Reflect! lol

jelliedsoup · March 2015

yeah i know shields and perma healing is perfectly acceptable but this dodge rolling is unacceptable as it provides other means to dodge damage. I thought it was accepted that only some skills made some people impossible to kill or as the catchcry appears to be "l2p". dodge tank would be the term.

Sorry sweetheart it's an all or nothing thing.

Gidorick · March 2015

This request reminds me of people who play fighting games and say things like:

"Wait, wait... just... wait... just... just let me hit you... hold on. stand still. just... hey... just... just let me hit you!"

Roechacca · March 2015

Cody wrote: »

With all the damage shield spam, I honestly feel stamina builds deserve something like this to even the score.

however, maybe a SMALL reduction is in order.

SMALL.

Until CC spam and damage shield spam/stacking lets down, let us stamina builders have our own ace in the hole; as i'll call it.

What we suppose to use if not Our acrobatics ? OP Bruce Campell witty one liners to dodge arrows , ballista and Jesus beams ?

http://youtu.be/j_JCnpbnLM0

Knootewoot · March 2015

Roechacca wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

With all the damage shield spam, I honestly feel stamina builds deserve something like this to even the score.

however, maybe a SMALL reduction is in order.

SMALL.

Until CC spam and damage shield spam/stacking lets down, let us stamina builders have our own ace in the hole; as i'll call it.

What we suppose to use if not Our acrobatics ? OP Bruce Campell witty one liners to dodge arrows , ballista and Jesus beams ?

http://youtu.be/j_JCnpbnLM0

I loved this show in the 90's and wish i had in on DVD.

Anyway, a new skill line could be in ordered. Smarttalk or something. You can talk your way out of an attack, and costs magicka.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · March 2015

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm so sick of chasing these little [snip] grasshoppers all over Cyrodiil. No one should be able to dodge roll infinitely. ZOS needs to increase the cost for consecutive rolls. It's meant to be a quick escape you use at the correct time to avoid a big hit, but instead its spammed for 5 minutes straight. It's lame and makes the combat very frustrating, cheesy and unskillful.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

No.

Here is an idea, don't chase them. Just like you don't chase bolt escaper. I know everyone here is obsessed with hyperbole, even if they don't know what the word means, so 5 min dodge roll is obviously you being silly; regardless, people built to dodge excessively have to sacrifice a lot and do less damage.
You do realize that a roll Nerf will actually make all builds weaker not just the rolly pollies? Right?

coryevans_3b14_ESO · March 2015

Dekkameron wrote: »

WOW! I must admit to being surprised that no-one has posted this before me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pQaZfpJYrk

The line in the song is "They hatin", not "They be hatin". That's racist.

jelliedsoup · March 2015

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

.....I know everyone here is obsessed with hyperbole, even if they don't know what it means.....

What was this? A veiled confession, an attempt at irony, or just standard hyprocrisy?

dafox187 · March 2015

rileynotzb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm so sick of chasing these little [snip] grasshoppers all over Cyrodiil. No one should be able to dodge roll infinitely. ZOS needs to increase the cost for consecutive rolls. It's meant to be a quick escape you use at the correct time to avoid a big hit, but instead its spammed for 5 minutes straight. It's lame and makes the combat very frustrating, cheesy and unskillful.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

and its your fault for choosing a melle class shoulda been a sorcerer

glak · March 2015

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

It's unstoppable!

Varicite · March 2015

TheLaw wrote: »

It's pretty easy to build a character with the ability to dodge roll near infinitely and then deal a massive amount of burst. Stamina builds are quite powerful right now. I agree it needs to be looked at in some way, this is not always a "LTP" issue.

It was for the past year that Magicka builds were doing it.

Why isn't it now?

Sorcs can burst, shield, and heal very well all w/ a single resource. Stam users can dps and dodge roll, and heal okay now thanks to Rally / Vigor.

You want our rolls, give up your shields. At least you'd STILL have better heals than any Stam build while we duke it out.

Otherwise, find another tree to bark up.

rome_killsit · July 2015

Just a thought guys.. this dodge roll taking a nerf is gonna hurt the (non stamina) builds.. heres how:

Vr eldens hollow pledge where a roll might be crucial at the end boss. Or other bosses in pve where a dodge roll is a must.. after the nerf. Your sorcs and non stam builds wont have the cost to roll.. which if your a sorc, im sorry but this nerf is gonna hurt us too.. not just in cyrodil .... Thanks E.S.O. for yet another ball drop on PVE

Reeko · July 2015

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Sounds like dodge roll should get the bolt escape treatment and go up in cost the more you use it...

I thought they were giving dodge roll the bolt escape treatment?

VoidBlue · July 2015

Reeko wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Sounds like dodge roll should get the bolt escape treatment and go up in cost the more you use it...

I thought they were giving dodge roll the bolt escape treatment?

I do believe they are. I recall each dodge roll will increase in cost each time used with in a certain time frame from each other.

Varicite · July 2015

Reeko wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Sounds like dodge roll should get the bolt escape treatment and go up in cost the more you use it...

I thought they were giving dodge roll the bolt escape treatment?

They are. They weren't when that post was made.

You just necro'd a thread from March. You should probably be less surprised if the information in it is outdated. ; )

Sausage · July 2015

Nerf definitely wasnt needed but its coming. Now people cant dodge away from dmg, so dmg nerfs follow soon. Just you guys know Dodge roll was nerfed with Sorc's Escape.

nativepride08 · July 2015

I time my rolls.... So stop complaining about how we roll and just become better at playing whatever role you're playing.