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What happened to " we will track your exp earned " ????( Gina Bruno answered this 12/28/2014)
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ThatHappyCat✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Because quests are the only content in the game... what are you doing now then? Just chatting in zone or something?
What about pledges, dungeons, DSA, trials, PvP, all that sort of stuff? You do those right? And those give EXP, right? And ZoS is rebalancing EXP rewards of everything in preparation of the Champion system, riiiiight?
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Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
As I understand it 1.6 will also not remove the VR system so there will still be players from VR1 to VR14 and presumably, continuing to progress from VR1-VR14.
So... whenever you actually do remove the VR system in 1.7 or 1.8 and everyone becomes a level 50 with however many CPs they have managed to earn at that point, to be clear, are you saying there will be no adjustment or compensation at that point when VR14s are all nerfed down to VR1?
That is what she is saying, yes. They screwed many people with that change of mind...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.
PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.
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As I understand any low level alt will also earn CP as long as you have one VR1 or higher. however as xp gain is low at lower levels this will probably not contribute much,ThatHappyCat wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »all the quests i completed cannot be repeated. therefore i cannot gain any new champion points on my v14 character. because i completed ALL of the silver and gold quests in all 3 alliances.
Points are account wide. Doing them on an alt gives you points on your main. Rinse and repeat.
Incorrect, points are earned from your highest char and spread thru your account
Incorrect. Any EXP gained by any VR character contributes to the account CP pool.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
ThatHappyCat✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.
PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.
Which part of "ZoS is rebalancing EXP gain for everything" do you not understand?
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Quintal✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
I feel your pain, bro.
I have, too, completed every single quest and once 1.6 hits, I'll be spending my days in Rkundzelft, grinding what was taken from me....
Champion system is yet another grind...just with a different name
''Subscription fee means that we will offer players the game we set out to make, and the one that fans want to play. Going with any other model meant that we would have to make sacrifices and changes we weren't willing to make.''-Matt FirorNick Konkle no longer part of ZOSMaria Aliprando no longer part of ZOSPaul Sage no longer part of ZOS3 -
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✭I loose out on this massivly, I have 3 VR characters, I have done Cadwells gold twice. I think it is unfair, but and here's the thing, I can accept it if ZOS sees it as for the future health of the game. For anyone that quits due to it, they do see thier own progress as more important than the health of the game. Those people are self important, no two ways about it.
If having too many CP compared to other players is unhealthy to the game, then they are going about it the wrong way.
Some people who play all day every day will find a way to grind CP quickly and get ahead of everyone else.
I haven't heard a valid reason so far why it would be unhealthy for the game if I got CP according to the time and effort I put into the game.
As it stands, the champion system is a reset back to lvl 50, making every bit of XP earned afterwards useless or even a disadvantage.
It's all in the rebalance of the content. If all start with 30cp, then they can balance it for 30cp. If some have hundreds, if it's balanced for that, it's too hard for those with less. Once it's in place people can earn more, but then when content is too easy for them, they know it's because they are too powerful.Edited by Guppet on December 28, 2014 6:55PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If I get this right, they've said, that Cyrodiil village quests will give more EXP now. I already do them every day for fun. I really really hope, this will make the villages more attractive, so that many people come to the cities.
This is going to be great fun. I have no mood at the moment, but I can't wait to farm the villages again. This is the best part of Cyrodiil in my opinion.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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ThatHappyCat✭✭✭✭✭If I get this right, they've said, that Cyrodiil village quests will give more EXP now. I already do them every day for fun. I really really hope, this will make the villages more attractive, so that many people come to the cities.
This is going to be great fun. I have no mood at the moment, but I can't wait to farm the villages again. This is the best part of Cyrodiil in my opinion.
I sincerely hope they also touch on EXP gain from the actual PvP part of Cyrodiil. That's kind of the whole point.
The only thing fun (for me) about the Cyrodiil PvE quests was ganking quest-runners at the hubs.
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Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭I loose out on this massivly, I have 3 VR characters, I have done Cadwells gold twice. I think it is unfair, but and here's the thing, I can accept it if ZOS sees it as for the future health of the game. For anyone that quits due to it, they do see thier own progress as more important than the health of the game. Those people are self important, no two ways about it.
If having too many CP compared to other players is unhealthy to the game, then they are going about it the wrong way.
Some people who play all day every day will find a way to grind CP quickly and get ahead of everyone else.
I haven't heard a valid reason so far why it would be unhealthy for the game if I got CP according to the time and effort I put into the game.
As it stands, the champion system is a reset back to lvl 50, making every bit of XP earned afterwards useless or even a disadvantage.
It's all in the rebalance of the content. If all start with 30cp, then they can balance it for 30cp. If some have hundreds, if it's balanced for that, it's too hard for those with less. Once it's in place people can earn more, but then when content is too easy for them, they know it's because they are too powerful.
The whole point of the system is that the more points you have the less increase in power you get... If balancing between 30 and 150 CP is such a pain, their system isn't working as intended... which is probably what's happening here, another fail from ZOS...Edited by Averya_Teira on December 28, 2014 6:58PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If I get this right, they've said, that Cyrodiil village quests will give more EXP now. I already do them every day for fun. I really really hope, this will make the villages more attractive, so that many people come to the cities.
This is going to be great fun. I have no mood at the moment, but I can't wait to farm the villages again. This is the best part of Cyrodiil in my opinion.
that is how i got from level 10 to level v6, i am burned out on that garbage "for life" i have memorized it with perfection, i now hate those quests.
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✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.
PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.
And what if they change PVP to award he same xp per hour as Cadwells (which they have already said they intend to do)?3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.
PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.
And what if they change PVP to award he same xp per hour as Cadwells (which they have already said they intend to do)?
again more false information that is based on "what zenimax said" they have been lying to us since 2011 on topic after topic.
i play solo in pvp and have done so since i was level 10, my v14 is a nightblade stamina build, you realize how weak and slow the amount of xp i would gain? it would be quite stupid for me to play my character anymore.
i have just put over $200.00 dollars into fallen earth mmo to give myself a fresh start in there and have something to play.
the list of problems in eso and list of bad things they have done in eso is staggering.
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Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.
PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.
And what if they change PVP to award he same xp per hour as Cadwells (which they have already said they intend to do)?
They can't really promess that as PvP XP really only depends on the actual activity. If you don't find players to kill for 15 min... They should still award you XP for those 15 minutes lol ?
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✭lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see how this rolls out. It will either turn into a non-event, we simply don't have the big picture, or it will be heralded for years to come as a blunder to avoid by MMOs in the future.
It could also be heralded as the patch that got rid of all the elitist self important players, thereby vastly improving the community and saving the game.
Yeah, I'm really "elitist". I have all self-crafted gear. I have never done DSA and done 12 man trials once (couldn't even kill the last boss - so elite!). I have an AP rank of like 5 (look out for me! I'm elite!).
Quit generalizing about other players. Every play style that is not exploiting is a VALID gameplay style so enough with the belittling comments that imply people who consumed the content of the game are somehow invalid and not entitled to the reward they get from it LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. If you do the content later and get rewarded for it WTF shouldn't I get the same reward if I completed it before you and I can't complete it again?
Firstly I did not in anyway say who was elitist, no idea why you assumed I meant you.
Also anyone who quits over this puts their own personal progress before the future health of the game, so they are very much self important people.
You did mean me because you generalize that anyone who isn't in favor of ZOS is somehow an "elitist". Again, you generalize that "anyone" who quits over this puts their own personal progress before the health of the game. That is utter BS. This is about fairness. I have 2 V14 characters. I'm against this change even though there are plenty of people with more veteran characters than me so that will put me at a disadvantage personally but I don't care because they earned those levels and deserve some compensation.
There is nothing they have stated that explains the need to flatten vet levels with no compensation. NOTHING. It doesn't make the system more fair. There will still be 40-something characters that get no points and V1 characters that get 30 while 4 V14 characters get the same 30 CP. That isn't proportional or fair. How is it unfair to apply the initial CP on a slightly larger range up to 100 CP or something based on the EXISTING progression system? People will still grind or figure out ways to earn CP fast and slow players will still earn CP slowly so the player gap will remain. The only thing this does is punish players who consumed more content.
I loose out on this massivly, I have 3 VR characters, I have done Cadwells gold twice. I think it is unfair, but and here's the thing, I can accept it if ZOS sees it as for the future health of the game. For anyone that quits due to it, they do see thier own progress as more important than the health of the game. Those people are self important, no two ways about it.
That is your OPINION. It is not fact. You are entitled to your own opinion and nobody is saying you are wrong for thinking it's fine but why do you feel the need to invalidate others who have a different opinion? If everything is fine for you and the game is just peachy why do you feel the need to make 500 comments on the matter instead of playing the game? Seriously, let people who don't think it's a good idea express their feelings/thoughts on the matter without your incessant and belittling commentary.Edited by EQBallzz on December 28, 2014 7:06PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭just currious, how many of the people posting in this forum are employees of zenimax and here to damage control?
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Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand why people keep saying the 30 CP is for ''balance'' purpose and things like that....
The system is supposed to be designed so there's no balance issues... If they have issues with balancing between a 30 CP player and a 250 CP player... THEIR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING...11 -
ThatHappyCat✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.
PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.
And what if they change PVP to award he same xp per hour as Cadwells (which they have already said they intend to do)?
They can't really promess that as PvP XP really only depends on the actual activity. If you don't find players to kill for 15 min... They should still award you XP for those 15 minutes lol ?
That's what the Enlightment system is for. When you're not gaining EXP you're gaining a multiplier to your EXP gain.
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✭Averya_Teira wrote: »I don't understand why people keep saying the 30 CP is for ''balance'' purpose and things like that....
The system is supposed to be designed so there's no balance issues... If they have issues with balancing between a 30 CP player and a 250 CP player... THEIR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING...
Agreed. That claim is completely and utterly bogus. If that was the case what then will they do one month after it goes live and there are thousands of players below v1 with no CP and thousands of players above v1 with hundreds of CP? If that balance was so critical what they are saying is it's important for there to be CP "balance" for two weeks of time and we are perfectly OK with sacrificing all veteran level players to achieve this incredibly short and temporary state of "balance".
Sorry but this is utter bunk. The real reason is apparently to just knock down the vet players and make them start over so they stretch out the content over a longer period of time (and more sub costs) which is pretty pathetic.Edited by EQBallzz on December 28, 2014 7:12PM10 -
SIN-X✭✭✭ANSWER IN A NUTSHELL WITH NO CANDY COATING:
1. We realized that there are only about 20% of the playerbase that is able to complete the Trails (hardmode and/or sanctum) and we need those players to roll alts to come help out the newer players.
2. The veteran zones are empty and we need to fill them to keep interest for new to veteran content players. SO REROLL!!!
3. we realize that it is todays norm to EXPECT handouts and so we feel that you top percentage players need to spread the wealth with those less dedicated. I mean really just because you did 8 years of collage do you think its fair that you get more out of life than one who stopped after high school.
4.We have made several mistakes and/or misleading statements and need to do all we can to bring in new meat that isn't aware of our shortcomings.
5.Endgame players are more likely to leave as content becomes less available so as we hate to lose anyone there is more money in new players.
We welcome all new dollars...err players to our family and should you become disheartened plz remember as we make so many errors we don't allow flaming or calling out and should you decide to leave do not place that information in forums either as we strive to show that we are growing and cant allow the true number of unsubs to be visable.Edited by SIN-X on December 28, 2014 7:15PMX-SINISTER-X v14 NB
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✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »ThatHappyCat wrote: »Why is everyone assuming that VR14s who've done Cadwell's Gold will have nothing to gain EXP from? ZoS even stated that they envision everyone regardless of level to gain EXP/CP at about the same rate. Remember there's a lot being changed here, including EXP rewards...
because, and please listen closely --
"THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTS LEFT FOR MY CHARACTER!"
I completed all the quests in all 3 alliances, i completed pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME!!!!
Then what are you doing with your current in game time? If you have absolutely nothing to do, then you must be about to quit anyway.
PvP and thats the only thing i wanted from the begining, that will NOT allow for progress like others have in the pve because the pvp is WAY lower in xp then pve.
and i HATE the pve in this game because it is extreme reversal to morrowind!
i hate basicly everything outside of cryodiil.
And what if they change PVP to award he same xp per hour as Cadwells (which they have already said they intend to do)?
again more false information that is based on "what zenimax said" they have been lying to us since 2011 on topic after topic.
i play solo in pvp and have done so since i was level 10, my v14 is a nightblade stamina build, you realize how weak and slow the amount of xp i would gain? it would be quite stupid for me to play my character anymore.
i have just put over $200.00 dollars into fallen earth mmo to give myself a fresh start in there and have something to play.
the list of problems in eso and list of bad things they have done in eso is staggering.
Then I'm afraid your are too cynical for me to be able to help. I know it's hard, but have a little faith, the the game is too good to let this put you off. But it's your call.5 -
ThatHappyCat✭✭✭✭✭I believe the "balance" in making everyone 30 CP to begin with is so they can assess how easy/difficult content is without the data being skewed by people with lots of CP.
I should clarify that I don't really agree with giving everyone the same amount of CP, not because I'm against it specifically but because of the backlash as seen here and in multiple other threads. IMO any gain ZoS could hope to get from limiting CPs to 30 is overwhelmingly negated by making you guys unhappy.4 -
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »I don't understand why people keep saying the 30 CP is for ''balance'' purpose and things like that....
The system is supposed to be designed so there's no balance issues... If they have issues with balancing between a 30 CP player and a 250 CP player... THEIR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING...
Agreed. That claim is completely and utterly bogus. If that was the case what then will they do one month after it goes live and there are thousands of players below v1 with no CP and thousands of players above v1 with hundreds of CP? If that balance was so critical what they are saying is it's important for there to be CP "balance" for two weeks of time and we are perfectly OK with sacrificing all veteran level players to achieve this incredibly short and temporary state of "balance".
Sorry but this is utter bunk. The real reason is apparently to just knock down the vet players and make them start over so they stretch out the content over a longer period of time (and more sub costs) which is pretty pathetic.
best comment on this thread and all truth.
very sad, and to think they beat and broke thier own rule. "Naming and Shaming" i now have a very different view of what the name "zenimax" means to me.
they allready had me as a perminant and loyal member but this? hmm ...
Edited by Gilvoth on December 28, 2014 7:17PM5 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭And again, if they think not giving a few dozen CPs to the players that ''earned'' them is supposed to give longevity to the game... when there are 3600 points to be had, which is 4 hours X 3600 = 14 400 hours ...
I really don't understand ZOS at all on this decision. Giving the CPs to the higher VR players has NO downside...
The only explanation I can think of is that they NEVER even started tracking XP, so now they have no way to award the CPs to players and they hide behind this ''balance purpose'' 30 CP explanation lol.
I was always surprised they actually had the technology to track everyone's XP like they said, it looked like something well above the qualification of their coding people.6 -
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✭lordrichter wrote: »It will be interesting to see how this rolls out. It will either turn into a non-event, we simply don't have the big picture, or it will be heralded for years to come as a blunder to avoid by MMOs in the future.
It could also be heralded as the patch that got rid of all the elitist self important players, thereby vastly improving the community and saving the game.
Yeah, I'm really "elitist". I have all self-crafted gear. I have never done DSA and done 12 man trials once (couldn't even kill the last boss - so elite!). I have an AP rank of like 5 (look out for me! I'm elite!).
Quit generalizing about other players. Every play style that is not exploiting is a VALID gameplay style so enough with the belittling comments that imply people who consumed the content of the game are somehow invalid and not entitled to the reward they get from it LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. If you do the content later and get rewarded for it WTF shouldn't I get the same reward if I completed it before you and I can't complete it again?
Firstly I did not in anyway say who was elitist, no idea why you assumed I meant you.
Also anyone who quits over this puts their own personal progress before the future health of the game, so they are very much self important people.
You did mean me because you generalize that anyone who isn't in favor of ZOS is somehow an "elitist". Again, you generalize that "anyone" who quits over this puts their own personal progress before the health of the game. That is utter BS. This is about fairness. I have 2 V14 characters. I'm against this change even though there are plenty of people with more veteran characters than me so that will put me at a disadvantage personally but I don't care because they earned those levels and deserve some compensation.
There is nothing they have stated that explains the need to flatten vet levels with no compensation. NOTHING. It doesn't make the system more fair. There will still be 40-something characters that get no points and V1 characters that get 30 while 4 V14 characters get the same 30 CP. That isn't proportional or fair. How is it unfair to apply the initial CP on a slightly larger range up to 100 CP or something based on the EXISTING progression system? People will still grind or figure out ways to earn CP fast and slow players will still earn CP slowly so the player gap will remain. The only thing this does is punish players who consumed more content.
I loose out on this massivly, I have 3 VR characters, I have done Cadwells gold twice. I think it is unfair, but and here's the thing, I can accept it if ZOS sees it as for the future health of the game. For anyone that quits due to it, they do see thier own progress as more important than the health of the game. Those people are self important, no two ways about it.
That is your OPINION. It is not fact. You are entitled to your own opinion and nobody is saying you are wrong for thinking it's fine but why do you feel the need to invalidate others who have a different opinion? If everything is fine for you and the game is just peachy why do you feel the need to make 500 comments on the matter instead of playing the game? Seriously, let people who don't think it's a good idea express their feelings/thoughts on the matter without your incessant and belittling commentary.
You kind of answered your own question. If no one that is happy with things posts, ZOS may think all the rage represents all players, people like me helps them see it does not.4 -
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✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
As I understand it 1.6 will also not remove the VR system so there will still be players from VR1 to VR14 and presumably, continuing to progress from VR1-VR14.
So... whenever you actually do remove the VR system in 1.7 or 1.8 and everyone becomes a level 50 with however many CPs they have managed to earn at that point, to be clear, are you saying there will be no adjustment or compensation at that point when VR14s are all nerfed down to VR1?
That is what she is saying, yes. They screwed many people with that change of mind...
Well, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will do something when VR levels go away permanently. Even if it's just character bound (instead of account wide) extra CPs for those higher than VR1.
I've never heard of an MMO transitioning from one end-game advancement system to another one that doesn't consider and adjust the more advanced players in some fashion.
Surely someone in a position to make these kinds of decisions realizes that this would *** off the most active players for no good reason.
The whole purpose of RPGs in general is character development and advancement. You don't just take a big chunk of it away from players, make them feel like they've wasted weeks or months and not expect a *** storm.2 -
Kaliki✭✭✭✭Sorry but this is utter bunk. The real reason is apparently to just knock down the vet players and make them start over so they stretch out the content over a longer period of time (and more sub costs) which is pretty pathetic.
I fully agree. It looks like their main strategy is creating as many time sinks as possible, and thus making us repeat dungeons dozens of times for achievements and then introducing the undaunted to make us grind dailys for it all over again.
Same with veteran content. Many people are about to complete the old progression system and then they add a new system and ZOS wants us to "progress" from scratch, instead of valueing our time invested in the veteran system.
I actually finished the game out of fun/because im a completionist and not because im a XP grinder who wants the largest advantage over others. If I reach all my goals I will play less, but will still keep on playing because of my guild and friends.
But by taking away/devalueing most of my progression they just make me feel sad and fooled and so I won't play at all anymore and look for another hobby.Edited by Kaliki on December 28, 2014 7:23PM- Templars: Slower by Design® -8 -
Sindala✭✭✭✭✭To be quite honest, unless you have gotten a char to R278 in Istaria (Horizons) you have no idea what us 'older players' had to grind just to level up.
Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.2
