I really think this is long term planning at its best. In defense of ZoS and purely from a business perspective...rewarding all these accounts with multiple VR's and especially those with multiple VR14s with a stack of champion points would be very counter productive to getting new subs.

Imagine starting off with a fresh account, if those with VR14s got a ton of points to spend, how very far off the curve you would be. It would be a mountain I absolutely would not want to climb.

This way seems fair and keeps the player base equal terms or near. And doesn't separate the casuals from the hardcore too significantly. Sounds like a good decision to me.

dharbert wrote: »

The ESO Live webcast isn't even over yet, and the whining already begins......

Well, people have asked and got answers from zos themselves, that they are tracking the xp so you still gets benefits from leveling up veteran ranks. The same goes for those who already are vet14. And now suddenly secretly after two hours into ESO live, with extremely poor sound, they say quietly that they were not tracking the xp after all. So its not whining. I don't know what it is, I can't find the right word, but it is definitely NOT whining.

belgarion1270ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really think this is long term planning at its best. In defense of ZoS and purely from a business perspective...rewarding all these accounts with multiple VR's and especially those with multiple VR14s with a stack of champion points would be very counter productive to getting new subs.

Imagine starting off with a fresh account, if those with VR14s got a ton of points to spend, how very far off the curve you would be. It would be a mountain I absolutely would not want to climb.

This way seems fair and keeps the player base equal terms or near. And doesn't separate the casuals from the hardcore too significantly. Sounds like a good decision to me.

The thing is they designed the system to avoid this so now they just make all the work people put into the game worth 0

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Rune_Relic wrote: »

Pretty sure that means min 30 cp "+" not that everyone gets max 30cp regardless of experience above VR1

This is exactly how I heard and took that statement. If you have at least a VR1 toon, you get 30 cp. They never said that was the 'out of the gate' cap and I'm 99% sure that some with a VR14 will have more than 30cp. However, the people that think because they have more than one VR14 they will have more are mistaken.

If that's how it's going to be, that's fine. (Incidentally, if they've changed it and that's no longer how it's going to be, that's also fine if ZOS admit they have changed their plans.) Any clarification available, @ZOS_MariaAliprando‌ ?

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I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
The longer they take to clarify the situation, the more people will get upset about it. @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom should try to give a clear answer soon before it goes out of hand :<

belgarion1270ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really think this is long term planning at its best. In defense of ZoS and purely from a business perspective...rewarding all these accounts with multiple VR's and especially those with multiple VR14s with a stack of champion points would be very counter productive to getting new subs.

Imagine starting off with a fresh account, if those with VR14s got a ton of points to spend, how very far off the curve you would be. It would be a mountain I absolutely would not want to climb.

This way seems fair and keeps the player base equal terms or near. And doesn't separate the casuals from the hardcore too significantly. Sounds like a good decision to me.

What?

OK, so let's see: example - you hit vr1 on day one of 1.6, get 30 points. Me, with my 5 v14s (you can see in my sig) also gets 30 points, oh, I also have another v5.

Now, did they say it's 1M points per vet level? and 1 champ point per 100K? that' means 10 points per vet level. Which is 140 champ points by the time you hit vet 14? (Is this info right?) If the numbers are wrong, it's just an example, roll with me here.

Also, did I mention that I didn't grind, I have completed silver and gold and a good bit of craglorn on all my characters that are v14? I might have a few side quests I can go back and do, but that's it - so my options to earn future champion points are daily pledges (not going to add up to a lot tbh), grinding mobs, or pvp (don't really love pvp). While you can keep earning points, earning about 10 a zone as you go through gold and silver, I cannot unless I decide that I'm paying a sub to grind all day for points (which I don't want to).

Did I expect to get 140 points for each v14 character I have? Not even close. But I definitely did not expect to get shafted to the point where I now regret playing through half the zone on my v5 guy this morning and losing even more questing opportunity to earn points once the system is out. Right now, I feel like I have my two lowbies I can play (both in the twenties) and that's it because I'm afraid of wasting any more quests on vet characters.

I said this previously, but unless they give those of us with vet characters now, a new character slot for each vet we have at 1.6 launch, then this is a crap concept. Even if they did that, they are still shafting us, but at least we'll have the same chance as others or new players. As it stands now, the loyal die hard players are scrwed.

Gyudan wrote: »

Maybe they want to get rid of the existing playerbase currently doing endgame stuff and start fresh. If so, the choice of 30 CP for everyone makes perfect sense.

Maybe.
I probably wont' re-up if this is how it rolls out. idk, trying not to make decisions while irritated.

belgarion1270ub17_ESO wrote: »

Here is hoping when they do clarify they state the intention was to avoid the current playbase gaming the coming champion system from the jump. No way an account with multiple VR14s getting a large stack of champion points would be good for future players.

Guess we all will await clarification. It pretty well known people have been planning to game this thing since it was announced. They needed to prevent that 100%. Sorry to the hardcore grinders/levelers but makes no sense to separate the player base on how fast you get your 8 slots to VR14.

That's exactly the problem though; players who are VR14 will now not be able to get the champion points that a new VR1 toon would, as they have already done the one-time-use content that gives all the XP. Regardless of how fast they did it, players who have already done the content will be at a disadvantage compared to players who still have the content to do. Everyone who completes the content should be in the same position as each other once it is completed, whether they have done it before or after CS.

Future CP is awarded via XP

Let's hope it's at least 30 points account wide points per V1+ toon you have. After leveling 3 toons to V14 and doing all the quests from each faction, it's the least they can do.