champion points

Darkonflare15

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

ZOS has said from day one, that they were tacking or post vr14 progression, they also said the points we will be getting would not cover all of our progression, I am surprised we are getting 30 that seems like a lot to me in a system that is suppose to be very very slow to progress in. I am fine with the 30, I was thinking we would only get 10 or 15, they gota start somewhere, I am curious as to how long it will take with game play to get more points.

I like the fact I will get 30 on all my toons to start out with. My only thing is I wish ZOS would have told us they changed their minds on the post tracking progression, or did they do the tracking and found this to be a good average.

When you think about. People always complain about vet levels. Now that they are getting rid of them, the after affects are making them mad. Since vet 1 and Vet 14 is pretty much are going to be the same thing in the future. I find it quite ironic.

manny254

Rodario wrote: »

This is another prime example of ZOS letting players theorize, guess and rage over an unclear issue, instead of just stepping up and clarifying what they meant in the live stream.

It should take @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ @ZOS_KaiSchober‌ or @ZOS_GaryA around one or two sentences to confirm or clarify this "30 points and no more, for everyone" statement.

Instead, here we are, guessing and raging. And probably will be until we see the PTS notes.

As I said before it really is infuriating that they responded to the the thread about ults, and the one about a meme. Just trying to show what they really care about.....

who2999_ESO

It kinda seems like this thread has turned to argument over what the devs mean long before I got here, but figured I would weigh in with my concerns and the way I interpreted what they said.

First off I want to say that the champion system sounds awesome and no matter what I'm looking forward to having this additional level of character customization and progression added to the game.

That said it did pretty much sound to me like anyone v1 plus starts with 30 points and xp beyond v1 is not being applied toward additional points.

As a player who's focused all of their attentions on one character that I love playing instead of on multiple alts this is a frustrating position to be in. The main problem isn't that I expect to be retroactively rewarded for all the time spent on my character (even if ZOS did tell me they would months ago I never expected them to deliver on this because it would be stupid of them *see later in post) the problem is that any xp gaining opportunities on my character have been effectively wasted thus the new system will essentially force me to grind the same content repetitively for champ points where as a player who didn't do every quest in the game will be able to earn them in a far more engaging fashion and with numerous opportunities to earn xp faster than the guy who's got nothing left but dailies and mob grinding.

Now as stated previously I don't expect to receive bonus champion points at the start because of what that would do to overall game balance at the point of implementing the system (making those of us who've played hundreds of hours on one toon have a significant advantage over people who played multiple toons more sparingly). However I do feel that this opportunity for point gain that's lost for completing content significantly hinders players who've already completed non-repeatable content which isn't a good system either as it effectively punishes some of your most loyal player base.

So rather than simply rant about this I figured I would offer a couple of potential solutions for consideration.

1. Grant champion points equivalent to post v1 non-repeatable content completed but ignore kills and repeatable content - this solution still leaves focused players a bit ahead of the curve but avoids robbing them of cp gaining opportunities so they're effectively unpenalized.

2. Offer players enlightenment based on their post v1 xp gains- This would make it so that all players still start at the same flat 30 eliminating the god mode problem but would ensure that players now robbed of cp gaining opportunities have a significant reduction in their grind time that would be based on the effort they've put in post v1.

And like I said starting out, I love this game, even if I feel incredibly cheated I'm going to keep playing, however I'd like to see some solution put in place that rewarded current players for time spent and something to make people feel like the dead time between now and CS implementation isn't a complete waste of time. Plus as someone who loves this game I don't want to see all the players I know threatening to walk over this actually leave.

TequilaFire

I agree, however if the Champion system had been in place since day one would not there be a disparity between player levels who had played less than those that had played longer?
So that is why many of us don't get the argument that everyone should be set to the same starting point.

phreatophile

From "we're tracking your xp and you'll be rewarded for it" to single VR char gets 30pts, 5 VR14's gets 30pts, not 30pts each mind you, just 30pts.

This deserves torches and pitchforks.

This is the biggest kick in the stones yet from ZOS. Many of are being cheated, lied too, and screwed over.

How God's name did this make it through however many levels of approval with out somebody pointing out just how much of a shaft it is to loyal customers?

jeevin

TequilaFire wrote: »

I agree, however if the Champion system had been in place since day one would not there be a disparity between player levels who had played less than those that had played longer?
So that is why many of us don't get the argument that everyone should be set to the same starting point.

Was about to post this almost word for word. The disparity would already exist. It already does exist in the form of Vet Ranks. So why the sudden need to nerf higher level players?

Pallmor

For while now I've suspected this whole Champion System thing was indicative of the typical brilliant formula that so many wannabe-WoW-killer MMO's have followed in the past (Star Wars Galaxies, I'm looking in your direction):

1) Screw over your existing player base in a misguided effort to attract new players

2) Existing player base leaves in anger and new players never materialize

3) Shutter servers, employees all laid off

I'm sorry that ESO wasn't the HUGE hit that you wanted it to be, ZOS. But POing your biggest fans who've stuck with you from the beginning isn't going to help you. Quite the contrary, as so many MMO's who've tried this in the past could warn you (if they were still a

jeevin wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

I agree, however if the Champion system had been in place since day one would not there be a disparity between player levels who had played less than those that had played longer?
So that is why many of us don't get the argument that everyone should be set to the same starting point.

Was about to post this almost word for word. The disparity would already exist. It already does exist in the form of Vet Ranks. So why the sudden need to nerf higher level players?

I can answer that with one word: consoles

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

There's no way ZOS could be *this* dim...

The "keep playing, we're tracking XP for champion points" information drop from ZOS was highly publicized and widely circulated. Now, if that is truly no longer the case, then it would appear as though that info drop was merely a ruse to fool PC subscribers into funding the delayed console development through the autumn and winter. Had ZOS not teased us with that little tidbit, how many thousands of players would have lost interest and stopped playing in October/November?

Constantly teasing new content is one thing, but teasing rewards for hours (and hours and hours) spent playing is something else, entirely.

I'm going through Cadwell's Gold for the third time on a Templar. At the moment, I have zero motivation to log in and complete Rivenspire, if it is indeed true that my account is only going to be credited a paltry 30 Champion Points from the outset, regardless. In fact, I have no reason to play until Update 6 goes live. The key phrase in that last sentence that should be stopping hearts at ZOS: "I have no reason to play" -- please tell me otherwise.

I'd need at least two more hands (or take off my shoes) to count the number of people I used to play with who have ostensibly quit ESO, since release. Like many, I have zero intention of moving to console, and I'm running out of reasons to keep playing. The promise of tracked XP was, quite frankly, all that has kept me playing the game. I would not have started that Templar, and I certainly would have unsubscribed, already, had ZOS not told us that would be the case.

ZOS needs to clarify this very quickly. Was playing for the last few months a massive waste of time, or was XP being tracked for a reason?

Elsonso

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

ZOS needs to clarify this very quickly. Was playing for the last few months a massive waste of time, or was XP being tracked for a reason?

Quickly?

They consider the next several WEEKS to be the time to clarify these things.

They said on ESO Live that they would clarify a few things next week. They said in the forum that they have articles that they are going to publish in January about the various systems that will answer a lot of questions. They stated that Update 6 will be on the PTS in January. All of these things presented as the place to find answers to all questions about what was discussed on ESO Live.

People are in a panic because they simply believe what is being written in the forum without bothering to check the ultimate source, ESO Live. If you want clarification, go listen to what they say in ESO Live. When you are done, tick off what you did not hear them say. You did not hear them say that existing XP was being tossed out *. Right now, that is a fabrication. You did not hear that 30 cookies was the cookie cap*, but you did hear that every Veteran gets a 30 cookie reward immediately when they log in after Update 6 goes live.

You also heard that they don't want a huge gap generated between what you can do today and what you will be able to do when the system goes live. We do not yet know what that means, but we will find out in the next few weeks. I am sure that this is the source of the Great Cookie Panic of 2014.

(Man, thanks to the guy who invented Champion Point=Cookie, makes these threads much more fun to write in)

Personally, I am looking forward to the additional information that will be coming out in the next 2-3 weeks, or so. I would prefer that it all be in one place, and not scattered all over the forum, so I am really looking forward to the articles. It is clear that this will be the best source of information.

(* If anyone can give me a timestamp where any of these things were actually said in a quotable form, let me know. I have listened to the show three times now. It is starting to lose excitement for me, but if you can provide a direct timestamp where they actually say the XP is being tossed, or that there will absolutely not be more than 30 cookies for existing players, I will listen again and post the quotes myself.)

manny254

lordrichter wrote: »

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

ZOS needs to clarify this very quickly. Was playing for the last few months a massive waste of time, or was XP being tracked for a reason?

Quickly?

They consider the next several WEEKS to be the time to clarify these things.

They said on ESO Live that they would clarify a few things next week. They said in the forum that they have articles that they are going to publish in January about the various systems that will answer a lot of questions. They stated that Update 6 will be on the PTS in January. All of these things presented as the place to find answers to all questions about what was discussed on ESO Live.

People are in a panic because they simply believe what is being written in the forum without bothering to check the ultimate source, ESO Live. If you want clarification, go listen to what they say in ESO Live. When you are done, tick off what you did not hear them say. You did not hear them say that existing XP was being tossed out *. Right now, that is a fabrication. You did not hear that 30 cookies was the cookie cap*, but you did hear that every Veteran gets a 30 cookie reward immediately when they log in after Update 6 goes live.

You also heard that they don't want a huge gap generated between what you can do today and what you will be able to do when the system goes live. We do not yet know what that means, but we will find out in the next few weeks. I am sure that this is the source of the Great Cookie Panic of 2014.

(Man, thanks to the guy who invented Champion Point=Cookie, makes these threads much more fun to write in)

Personally, I am looking forward to the additional information that will be coming out in the next 2-3 weeks, or so. I would prefer that it all be in one place, and not scattered all over the forum, so I am really looking forward to the articles. It is clear that this will be the best source of information.

(* If anyone can give me a timestamp where any of these things were actually said in a quotable form, let me know. I have listened to the show three times now. It is starting to lose excitement for me, but if you can provide a direct timestamp where they actually say the XP is being tossed, or that there will absolutely not be more than 30 cookies for existing players, I will listen again and post the quotes myself.)

They have responded to other post, but not this one. If it was just a simple sorry you misunderstood they would have responded already. If it is still just a misunderstanding then zos is crazy for not putting out this fire already.

olemanwinter

With Zos, nobody really knows what will happen until you play it live. But I fear 1.6 may be the last version this paying customer experiences. Unsubbing is looking more and more likely for me.

TequilaFire

Hmm sinking post...

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

lordrichter wrote: »

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

ZOS needs to clarify this very quickly. Was playing for the last few months a massive waste of time, or was XP being tracked for a reason?

Quickly?

They consider the next several WEEKS to be the time to clarify these things.

They said on ESO Live that they would clarify a few things next week. They said in the forum that they have articles that they are going to publish in January about the various systems that will answer a lot of questions. They stated that Update 6 will be on the PTS in January. All of these things presented as the place to find answers to all questions about what was discussed on ESO Live.

People are in a panic because they simply believe what is being written in the forum without bothering to check the ultimate source, ESO Live. If you want clarification, go listen to what they say in ESO Live. When you are done, tick off what you did not hear them say. You did not hear them say that existing XP was being tossed out *. Right now, that is a fabrication. You did not hear that 30 cookies was the cookie cap*, but you did hear that every Veteran gets a 30 cookie reward immediately when they log in after Update 6 goes live.

You also heard that they don't want a huge gap generated between what you can do today and what you will be able to do when the system goes live. We do not yet know what that means, but we will find out in the next few weeks. I am sure that this is the source of the Great Cookie Panic of 2014.

(Man, thanks to the guy who invented Champion Point=Cookie, makes these threads much more fun to write in)

Personally, I am looking forward to the additional information that will be coming out in the next 2-3 weeks, or so. I would prefer that it all be in one place, and not scattered all over the forum, so I am really looking forward to the articles. It is clear that this will be the best source of information.

(* If anyone can give me a timestamp where any of these things were actually said in a quotable form, let me know. I have listened to the show three times now. It is starting to lose excitement for me, but if you can provide a direct timestamp where they actually say the XP is being tossed, or that there will absolutely not be more than 30 cookies for existing players, I will listen again and post the quotes myself.)

I was very careful to state my opinion is *conditional* on the worst-case interpretation (the "flat 30" interpretation) being true, just like this: "If it is true that ZOS has reneged upon their assertion that post-VR14 XP was being tracked for the *expressed* purpose of being counted towards champion points to be awarded when Update 6 goes live, then I will be very upset."

The frustration you've accurately observed is the justifiable concern that conditional is going to play out.

@manny254 raised the important point that ZOS would have "put out this fire" already, if our concerns were unfounded. So despite being able to fill the Grand Canyon with all the things that *weren't* explicitly said during the ESO Live broadcast, I'll remain justifiably concerned until I hear otherwise about this "flat 30" nonsense.

All we know is that we don't know *anything* definitively until ZOS responds. With that uncertainty comes all the bad feelings that typically follow. Those bad feelings won't go away until ZOS gives us a definitive answer to this question.

FooWasHere

belgarion1270ub17_ESO wrote: »

The below comments were copy/pasted from Tamriel Foundry forums, I thought the two differing viewpoints were worth sharing here...


madangrypally said on December 19, 2014 :

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Atropos responded with the comment below

This feels like an overreaction to me, but we’ll see how many others feel the same way. As someone who has played as much ESO as just about anyone, I don’t really care that I only start with 30 points. Just means I have stuff to do to continue growing my character. For me the fun is in the progression though, I would almost be bummed if I had already unlocked most of the new Champion System stuff without really doing anything for it (intentionally).

My Take

Gotta hand it to that Atropos guy, he has a rather keen head on his shoulders.

Well said, Sir! Indeed, @Atropos‌ nailed it there for me. For me, it basically boils down to one question: do I want progression ahead of me or behind me? Well, ahead of me of course. I've had a blast getting my VR's to their level, and now I'll have more fun.

But ZoS could have mitigated so much of this fecalia storm by just giving a little bit, like 1--3 points, to VR14's and 15's. I would have appreciated it, but in the end I will just get them anyway, especially as they are account wide.

Foo

Darkonflare15

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

remember way back when we were in the bethesda forums and 1st heard that zenimax was going to close off all areas of the game and not allow free roaming to other alliances and we were shocked that it was even possible that they could even THINK to remove the freedom we all knew and loved in the elderscrolls series. was shocking indeed and we all lied to ourselves thinking it would be a good thing.

remember when we were in bethesda forums and heard rumer that eso would completely be removing all the abilities and basics we had in es series and give us forced classes, with not only classes they also had horrible passives and that we would also be forced to have members in our alliance that we knew for a fact we hated, for example the nords mingling with the dark elves ...

remember after months and months and months of promises that we would Never see a cash shop they introduced the pay walls and pay gates with the colectors edition and the horse. remember how angry we were about it and all the videos made from people expresing thier anger.

remember when they removed things repeatedly from game play and skills that had no effect in pvp nor pve that hurt anyone but yet they ignore the things that DO cause imbalance in both pvp and pve, like for example the speed nightblades had from the armor set.

time again and again and again thier doing this over and over, yet no one takes true note to the trend.
take a look and see if you remember the thread started by a zenimax employee high on the pay scale asking for everyone to just accept that zenimax's only intention was to "make a great game" and we were asked to simply accept the decisons made with out complaint and have an open mind, yet the result was loss in a big scale of most of the elderscrolls main fans and along with them leaving also went thier subscriptions ...

there are alot more to add to the list that i for Sure have not mentioned but i can promise you it will continue and will not change untill the leadership and decison making in eso changes.

Pepperidge Farms remembers

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So let me see if I'm following this... most of you V14s ( I am V14 too) are butt hurt that V1s are getting 30 points just like we are.... This game is rated M for Mature players still right? Cause what I read is a bunch of player crying that low levels are being treated the same. Here's a list on why you shouldn't care that low levels are getting same ammount of point as us.

1. ZoS needed a starting point. Starting us all at 0 wouldn't be fair to low levels since higher level could clearly earn more.
2. we are getting 30 point but we can only spend 10 of them in each consolation 10 for warrior 10 for thief and 10 for mage.
3. In case you all forgot the Imperial city is dropping with update 6 too and I'm sure low levelplayers wanna see it and with Cyrodiil already full of v14s the lower levels really don't need V5 enemys and powered up V14s ganking them while they try to explore the city.
4. ZoS said there basicly redoing the combat system which mean bosses are gonna be harded than when we were lower levels so there gonna need the buffs.
5. Not all the passive skills are goddess buffs as the loved to say in the stream the towers powers are useful with out being related to combat such as mount master ( Your mount doesn't use stamina when outside of combat ). I'm sure some low levels would love to have mount master or treasure hunter (allows you to find rarer loot in treasure chest).

So that is a short list of why 30 is good for us all V1 or V14 doesn't matter if we put more time into or not. As A very wise man is gonna say in about a 1000 year.. " They all were welps once".

what a crock of crap... as a VR 6 toon, anyone that is VR7 and above should not get the same CPs as my VR6. forget a "level" playing field, thats nonsense. in order to be fair we should be unfair?

those that have been grinding based on ZoS saying that they should keep playing and they were tracking the exp have every right to be upset. i have been taking my time getting through the game, so i have most of silver still to go through, but i am probably on the same base as them if they only get 30 CPs- i have been playing my VR toon mainly because of the exp tracking. i didn't play any alts, or go back and do old treasure maps, because i was thinking that every point i got, got me one more point into the champion system.

when AA (alternate ability) was launched in everquest, no one got any points and no one cared they also had more levels to grind. SoE also never said they were tracking experience for the new AA system. (NOTE: the Alternate Abilities system was quite similar to the Champion system in every way- a supposed "deeper customization for you character")

something else to keep in mind, is they are a not just the maker of one game called ESO, they deal with several titles. if they *** off enough people here, that anger will travel and fewer will buy any of their products.

but someone earlier in the post had an interesting point, that they said everyone with a VR1 would get 30 points, not necessarily everyone VR1 and above. there may be hope yet.

DeLindsay

The fallacy that a player who has 1-5 VR14's thinking that they MUST have more /played time than someone who has a single VR1 + 4-5 in the 40's + a couple in the 20's and somehow DESERVES more starting Champion Points cracks me up. You have NO IDEA how much /played time another player's account has. Especially considering many players (not all) that have multiple VR14's did so by abusing the system early on when you could spam a VR in <30 min. I'm not against grinding but all of those who used the exploit in Vet WS 1st boss to supersize their VR leveling don't "deserve" any more than any player who didn't do it. Lets look at it from a game time perspective.

Player A: (4-5) VR14's + (3-4) LvL 3-40's has 54 Days /played time account wide (purely for example)

Player B: (1) VR2 + (4-5) LvL 40's + (2-3) LvL 20's has 56 Days /played time account wide (purely for example)

Player A is crying on the forums after the Live show because it's unfair he/she is getting the same starting Champion Points as Player B, who has MORE played time on their account, but only 1 Veteran character. Player A somehow deems multiple VR14's worthy of more points than Player B's more game time. This is a false sense of entitlement and NOBODY can say their game time is worth more than another's game time just because they have more characters of a higher level. No matter what the starting points cap was going to be, someone will be pi$$ed off and complaining on these forums.

Vlakna

Five VR14 and no grind. Interesting....

Gyudan

DeLindsay wrote: »

The fallacy that a player who has 1-5 VR14's thinking that they MUST have more /played time than someone who has a single VR1 + 4-5 in the 40's + a couple in the 20's and somehow DESERVES more starting Champion Points cracks me up. You have NO IDEA how much /played time another player's account has. Especially considering many players (not all) that have multiple VR14's did so by abusing the system early on when you could spam a VR in <30 min. I'm not against grinding but all of those who used the exploit in Vet WS 1st boss to supersize their VR leveling don't "deserve" any more than any player who didn't do it. Lets look at it from a game time perspective.

Player A: (4-5) VR14's + (3-4) LvL 3-40's has 54 Days /played time account wide (purely for example)

Player B: (1) VR2 + (4-5) LvL 40's + (2-3) LvL 20's has 56 Days /played time account wide (purely for example)

Player A is crying on the forums after the Live show because it's unfair he/she is getting the same starting Champion Points as Player B, who has MORE played time on their account, but only 1 Veteran character. Player A somehow deems multiple VR14's worthy of more points than Player B's more game time. This is a false sense of entitlement and NOBODY can say their game time is worth more than another's game time just because they have more characters of a higher level. No matter what the starting points cap was going to be, someone will be pi$$ed off and complaining on these forums.

XP received before level 50 is not counted towards the Champion System. The 30 points cap has absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm not saying that this is a good idea but @ZOS designed the champion system this way.

For players with VR14 characters who did all the quests, getting Champion Points will actually be easier if they delete said characters and start new ones. Does this seem normal to you?

DeLindsay

Gyudan wrote: »

XP received before level 50 is not counted towards the Champion System. The 30 points cap has absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm not saying that this is a good idea but @ZOS designed the champion system this way.

For players with VR14 characters who did all the quests, getting Champion Points will actually be easier if they delete said characters and start new ones. Does this seem normal to you?

I understand full well how the Champion Points will be earned, but it doesn't change the fact that in my example Player B had more total game time than Player A, therefore Player A crying that it's unfair that they get the same starting cap is moot. I also understand that my example isn't the norm, but to the same point you saying that players who have multiple VR14's that did it normally by finishing all the quests is misleading. There are some who love questing, there are some who hate questing. There are MANY who used the Vet WS first boss exploit early on to get 1-3 VR10's in an absurdly short time. Why does that person think he/she is entitled to more starting points than a player who didn't use an exploit? I'm also not saying everyone used that exploit, or the broken Craglorn mechanic where you could pull the boss scorpion over and over again until ZoS fixed it, but MANY did.

The point is, ZoS had to place an initial cap on the Champion System, and regardless of what that cap was going to be, some were going to be outraged. The only way around that is to find the single player with the most earned Veteran XP and make them the cap, but that could've been 1000+ points of the 3600, which would give them a massive lead over the rest of the population, which you cannot do in an MMO. All of those players with multiple VR14's will pull ahead of the rest of the population quickly after 1.6 launches anyway so they can have their epeen back.

Gyudan

I wouldn't mind if there was a cap and if each player's amount of Champion Points was scaling from a minimal value (30) to a maximal value (the cap).

I agree with you, grinding has always been an issue and will probably matter even more with the addition of Champion Points. I do, however, feel that players who didn't grind shouldn't take the fall for everyone.

@ZOS has many ways to count the effort put in the game, be it XP, played time, quests completed or distance traveled. I simply hope that the hundreds of hours I've put in the game get some kind of recognition and that I won't have to start worse off than a player who still has hundreds of quests to do with his favorite characters.


Following your example, if the Champion System was launched today and I started leveling all my characters to level 50, I would get 0 points for it. This is a flaw of the system in my opinion.

DeLindsay

Don't misunderstand I'm not discounting grinding as a valid way to level. It's no more or less valid than questing, PvP, dungeoning, exploring, etc. However, the Vet WS exploit (which was known to be an exploit) and pulling that Scorpion boss up to the rock top over and over until ZoS fixed it are NOT valid ways to gain XP. Many players abused the game to gain Vet cap artificially fast and I have zero sympathy for them. Those who didn't use any exploits, even if they have 4-5 VR14's, I do feel for them to an extent. The problem is it was known as early as October that there would be an initial cap on CP. Those players who pushed hard to gain more VR14's or grind endlessly to gain more XP took the chance that their XP would exceed the cap and they would be disappointed.

Gyudan

I still don't like the fact that you consider the 30 points to be the same thing as "the cap" that was mentioned a few months ago.

Upon reading about the Champion System, I knew that there would be a limit after which champion points would not be awarded. As I understood it, I could do stuff, which would be counted towards Champion Points, and if I did too much stuff, it wouldn't be counted anymore to avoid a too great difference when update 6 was released.

The solution of having all players get the exact same amount is very different. Right now, if I do a single veteran quest, it will not count towards champion points and I will not be able to redo it later. Doing 0 stuff, doing some stuff or doing a lot of stuff gives exactly the same result: 30 champion points.

How is that encouraging players to keep playing the game? Fun content aside, some kind of advancement system is still needed.

Enodoc

ZOS said there would be a cap, and that's fine. They also said it was unlikely many people would reach it. By reducing the amount of CPs required for one star, they may have been required to reduce the cap accordingly.
But this 30 is not a cap, and I wish people would stop thinking it is. A cap is something you get incrementally closer to until you hit it, based on an increment they themselves said would be from tracked XP. This 30 is a flat rate, not a cap.

DeLindsay

Part of the problem comes from ZoS being the most beige/opaque gaming company I've ever seen. Even in the Live show when they were giving "answers" to our questions they really just danced around each topic and only gave a few real answers. They do the same on the forums, to their own detriment. If ZoS was more transparent with everything to do with the game, stats, mechanics, changes, etc, they would have less fallout from players who feel cheated. ZoS shot themselves in the foot by telling players to keep playing their VR characters as they were tracking the XP. They should've known the tenacity of Humans to do a thing (after 9 min Trial runs) that there would be players with bu77 tons of XP and others with little.

The 30 points they're starting the Champion System at for those with VR characters is a cap no matter what anyone says. Call it whatever you like, but since nobody will have more than 30 points, it is the limit or cap. This is where the lack of transparency on ZoS's part comes in. Had they said back in October "Keep playing your VR characters, we are tracking the XP for the Champion System, but keep in mind the starting cap will be low" then fewer players would be complaining. However, everyone that pushed took the chance of being disappointed when 1.6 hit. I myself have (1) VR14 but just that character has 41 Days played time. I have almost 60 days total played time on my account. Even then I'm still not upset that a fresh VR1 will have 30 points while my VR14 will have 30 points.

Averya_Teira

spryler wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

So, the statements ZoS made about tracking XP past v14 was a lie if this is the case. If you aren't going to be rewarded for the xp you've already earned, then why are the tracking it?

This is like an amplified version of the undaunted passives again - players that have already played the content are left to suffer, those that have not and still have plenty of quests to complete will have more opportunity to gain points and gain them faster.

Don't get me wrong, I expected to be at the champ point cap having several vr14 guys, but I didn't expect that cap to mean I would be tied with some random person that just hit VR1 the day the system launches.

What are you talking about?

ZOS is tracking xp, you will get championship points based on xp gained after v1, there will be a cap on the number of championship points you have on day 1.

I don't understand where you got the idea that they somehow lied, this has been the position from the beginning and to the best of my knowledge remains the case.

Did you watche ESO Live from Dec 19 ? They said everyone with a VR1 will have 30 champion points, that's it. They never say you get more points if you played more before 1.6..... but they also never say you won't. This week's ESO Live was full of unexplained, unclear bull**** tbh.

belgarion1270ub17_ESO wrote: »

Here is hoping when they do clarify they state the intention was to avoid the current playbase gaming the coming champion system from the jump. No way an account with multiple VR14s getting a large stack of champion points would be good for future players.

Guess we all will await clarification. It pretty well known people have been planning to game this thing since it was announced. They needed to prevent that 100%. Sorry to the hardcore grinders/levelers but makes no sense to separate the player base on how fast you get your 8 slots to VR14.

The problem with what you say is that ZOS said WEEKS ago that XP was being tracked to award the correct CP when the system launched.

People asked if they would get ****ed if they played before 1.6 and Gina Bruno said no, no we are tracking XP for the Champion System, go ahead and play, you won't loose anything.

Now, this... ? It isn't about speed leveling or grinders or whatever you wrote, it's about ZOS straight up lying to our faces weeks ago about how CPs would be awarded.

I mean... I only have a VR3 and a VR1, and I feel cheated because I ''lost'' two zones of CPs on my VR3... Can't imagine how people with VR14s and hundreds of hours into the game must feel.

Another to think about, ZOS said themselves in the stream of Dec 19, that the champion system is meant to be easier to catch up to people than to continue growing your character because the % increase gets lower every point you put in.

Even if a player played one thousand hours, that equals to 250 CPs, which means about 83 points into each tree (Warrior,Mage,Thief) that's not enough to make him stand out that much compared to someone with 0 CPs. We saw it on the stream, they had 45 points spent into Warlord and it gave a 9,8 % decrease to stamina cost... and that would be for 180 HOURS of continuous XP gaining...

He might be ... 15% stronger or so overall ? for A THOUSAND HOURS played lol. Give him his CPs when 1.6 rolls out ffs...

Edit: Again, they never specifically said people won't get MORE than 30 CPs, but they didn't say people would either...



Sorry for the super long chaotic post.

Skullemainia

what if I haven't a VR char. when the system is launched?? do I still get 30 CP if I become vet. ?

Guppet

For the people thinking ZOS deliberately lied to you about tracking XP. Think about this.

If ZOS had come out months back and said we are not tracking, most of you would have unsubbed, there and then, so that would have lost them money. Even if you unsub now (the vast majority wont, its mostly just caterwauling, even most of those that do will probably come back) they still made money out of you for those months that they would not have, had they said it wasn't tracked.

Essentially it was a sound business decision. Possibly a bit disingenuous and underhand, but the most profitable decision either way.

Now if it does turn out to be true that 30 is the cap, they will never ever admit the above. It will be a change of development direction and you'll never ever be able to prove otherwise.

Most of the people who quit, did so well before they reached the cap, so to them this is much better than allowing a higher cap and much more likely to bring them back.

AshySamurai

Skullemainia wrote: »

what if I haven't a VR char. when the system is launched?? do I still get 30 CP if I become vet. ?

This is a really good question! And how about all new players, who will hit 50lvl after phase 4? Will they also get 30 CP?

Averya_Teira

Guppet wrote: »

For the people thinking ZOS deliberately lied to you about tracking XP. Think about this.

If ZOS had come out months back and said we are not tracking, most of you would have unsubbed, there and then, so that would have lost them money. Even if you unsub now (the vast majority wont, its mostly just caterwauling, even most of those that do will probably come back) they still made money out of you for those months that they would not have, had they said it wasn't tracked.

Essentially it was a sound business decision. Possibly a bit disingenuous and underhand, but the most profitable decision either way.

It's not a sound business decision lol, it's false advertising, and in non-gaming spheres of the world, that's a major lawsuit lol -_- But companies know that gamers are all talk and no one ever does anything.