AryaWythers wrote: »So funny that 75% of PvP pop runs with bows...then want to qq about reflective scale
A templar dont need to use projectiles vs DK
Also in case you dont know Eclipse reflects soul assault not only DK's reflect ultimates right? but in this case you guys have a prob with the DK's cause u dont have anything better to do .I would preffer being able to reflect soul assault that is twice lethal as 4 x shooting stars... L2P
Also in case you dont know No2 blazing shield bugs(exploit?) and reflects all projectiles the first 2-3 sec of cast that does not annoy you cause u didnt even notice it right?
AryaWythers wrote: »So funny that 75% of PvP pop runs with bows...then want to qq about reflective scale
Lava_Croft wrote: »
The point of this thread is that a bowuser should be able to kill everyone just spamming snipe.
RS does NOT give immunity to ranged skills. It only gives immunity to projectiles. There are still several ways to range a DK. If you rely on those projectiles to kill the DK and don't use anything else, you would still be doomed if they would not use RS. EVERY projectile can be blocked reducing the damage by 85% (I think). So in a 1v1 you still would not be able to kill him. This applies for every other class aswell if they use a bit tanky build.
Please remind me, when did people start complaining about scales? After 1.5 right? Oh, isn't that by any chance the patch that made snipe ridiculous? oh yeaaaaah snipe.
People are complaining because dks have a better (much better) survival chance against the idiocy that has become snipe. And i can't blame them. I have to spam my scales every 4 seconds otherwise i get 100 heal debuffed and wrecked in 2 seconds.
The solution to this is to nerf the [snip] snipe !
Before snipe was op, i only casted my scales when i saw a sorc casting crystal shards at me for example. Definitely not every 4 seconds. I actually had some setups where i didn't use scales at all. Now, scales is a must have in any dk's build, just to counter the overwhelming amount of snipers in cyrodil.
Just to be clear though, i don't mind archers killing me in 1 sec when they are Ganking me in open field. And it was possible before 1.5 too, so nerfing snipe is totally possible.
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Please remind me, when did people start complaining about scales? After 1.5 right? Oh, isn't that by any chance the patch that made snipe ridiculous? oh yeaaaaah snipe.
People are complaining because dks have a better (much better) survival chance against the idiocy that has become snipe. And i can't blame them. I have to spam my scales every 4 seconds otherwise i get 100 heal debuffed and wrecked in 2 seconds.
The solution to this is to nerf the [snip] snipe !
Before snipe was op, i only casted my scales when i saw a sorc casting crystal shards at me for example. Definitely not every 4 seconds. I actually had some setups where i didn't use scales at all. Now, scales is a must have in any dk's build, just to counter the overwhelming amount of snipers in cyrodil.
Just to be clear though, i don't mind archers killing me in 1 sec when they are Ganking me in open field. And it was possible before 1.5 too, so nerfing snipe is totally possible.
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People have been complaining about Scales since early access.... It's probably been the #1 most complained about ability since the game has launched.
It has absolutely nothing to do w/ Snipe.
Please remind me, when did people start complaining about scales? After 1.5 right? Oh, isn't that by any chance the patch that made snipe ridiculous? oh yeaaaaah snipe.
People are complaining because dks have a better (much better) survival chance against the idiocy that has become snipe. And i can't blame them. I have to spam my scales every 4 seconds otherwise i get 100 heal debuffed and wrecked in 2 seconds.
The solution to this is to nerf the [snip] snipe !
Before snipe was op, i only casted my scales when i saw a sorc casting crystal shards at me for example. Definitely not every 4 seconds. I actually had some setups where i didn't use scales at all. Now, scales is a must have in any dk's build, just to counter the overwhelming amount of snipers in cyrodil.
Just to be clear though, i don't mind archers killing me in 1 sec when they are Ganking me in open field. And it was possible before 1.5 too, so nerfing snipe is totally possible.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
People have been complaining about Scales since early access.... It's probably been the #1 most complained about ability since the game has launched.
It has absolutely nothing to do w/ Snipe.
I think vamp wins most complained
Please remind me, when did people start complaining about scales? After 1.5 right? Oh, isn't that by any chance the patch that made snipe ridiculous? oh yeaaaaah snipe.
People are complaining because dks have a better (much better) survival chance against the idiocy that has become snipe. And i can't blame them. I have to spam my scales every 4 seconds otherwise i get 100 heal debuffed and wrecked in 2 seconds.
The solution to this is to nerf the [snip] snipe !
Before snipe was op, i only casted my scales when i saw a sorc casting crystal shards at me for example. Definitely not every 4 seconds. I actually had some setups where i didn't use scales at all. Now, scales is a must have in any dk's build, just to counter the overwhelming amount of snipers in cyrodil.
Just to be clear though, i don't mind archers killing me in 1 sec when they are Ganking me in open field. And it was possible before 1.5 too, so nerfing snipe is totally possible.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
People have been complaining about Scales since early access.... It's probably been the #1 most complained about ability since the game has launched.
It has absolutely nothing to do w/ Snipe.
I think vamp wins most complained
No its definitely DK. I don't think just Reflective Scales though. The class overall.
RS does NOT give immunity to ranged skills. It only gives immunity to projectiles. There are still several ways to range a DK. If you rely on those projectiles to kill the DK and don't use anything else, you would still be doomed if they would not use RS. EVERY projectile can be blocked reducing the damage by 85% (I think). So in a 1v1 you still would not be able to kill him. This applies for every other class aswell if they use a bit tanky build.
Please remind me, when did people start complaining about scales? After 1.5 right? Oh, isn't that by any chance the patch that made snipe ridiculous? oh yeaaaaah snipe.
People are complaining because dks have a better (much better) survival chance against the idiocy that has become snipe. And i can't blame them. I have to spam my scales every 4 seconds otherwise i get 100 heal debuffed and wrecked in 2 seconds.
The solution to this is to nerf the [snip] snipe !
Before snipe was op, i only casted my scales when i saw a sorc casting crystal shards at me for example. Definitely not every 4 seconds. I actually had some setups where i didn't use scales at all. Now, scales is a must have in any dk's build, just to counter the overwhelming amount of snipers in cyrodil.
Just to be clear though, i don't mind archers killing me in 1 sec when they are Ganking me in open field. And it was possible before 1.5 too, so nerfing snipe is totally possible.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
People have been complaining about Scales since early access.... It's probably been the #1 most complained about ability since the game has launched.
It has absolutely nothing to do w/ Snipe.
I think vamp wins most complained
No its definitely DK. I don't think just Reflective Scales though. The class overall.
Was refering to abilities... would have to agree with your statement about the class though. Even though its fairly balanced in my opinion now. DK's have been hit more than a few times with the nerf bat
Please remind me, when did people start complaining about scales? After 1.5 right? Oh, isn't that by any chance the patch that made snipe ridiculous? oh yeaaaaah snipe.
People are complaining because dks have a better (much better) survival chance against the idiocy that has become snipe. And i can't blame them. I have to spam my scales every 4 seconds otherwise i get 100 heal debuffed and wrecked in 2 seconds.
The solution to this is to nerf the [snip] snipe !
Before snipe was op, i only casted my scales when i saw a sorc casting crystal shards at me for example. Definitely not every 4 seconds. I actually had some setups where i didn't use scales at all. Now, scales is a must have in any dk's build, just to counter the overwhelming amount of snipers in cyrodil.
Just to be clear though, i don't mind archers killing me in 1 sec when they are Ganking me in open field. And it was possible before 1.5 too, so nerfing snipe is totally possible.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
People have been complaining about Scales since early access.... It's probably been the #1 most complained about ability since the game has launched.
It has absolutely nothing to do w/ Snipe.
I think vamp wins most complained
No its definitely DK. I don't think just Reflective Scales though. The class overall.
Was refering to abilities... would have to agree with your statement about the class though. Even though its fairly balanced in my opinion now. DK's have been hit more than a few times with the nerf bat
Well I agree that they're the most complained about. I disagree that they've been nerfed significantly or enough. Though really I'd rather see other classes brought up to par.
Specifically Templar and Sorcerer both need significant buffs. I think NBs are in a good spot.
Lava_Croft wrote: »
Both the game and me seem to disagree. (And you ARE shooting them with a ranged attack, that's why you can use it at 36m distance.)Lava_Croft wrote: »
swallow soul/funnel health is not a projectile. You are pulling an enemie's life force from their bodies to you. not shooting them with a ranged attack.
Lava_Croft wrote: »Both the game and me seem to disagree. (And you ARE shooting them with a ranged attack, that's why you can use it at 36m distance.)Lava_Croft wrote: »
swallow soul/funnel health is not a projectile. You are pulling an enemie's life force from their bodies to you. not shooting them with a ranged attack.
How exactly are my 'stupid' arguments any less than yours? I see Funnel/Swallow as a projectile and so does the game. You don't.Your argument of the game and you agree with it, is just stupid. How many broken skills before fixes could you defend with that logic.
Lava_Croft wrote: »How exactly are my 'stupid' arguments any less than yours? I see Funnel/Swallow as a projectile and so does the game. You don't.Your argument of the game and you agree with it, is just stupid. How many broken skills before fixes could you defend with that logic.
I guess I should call your argument stupid now, just to keep the discussion going?
Suntzu1414 wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »How exactly are my 'stupid' arguments any less than yours? I see Funnel/Swallow as a projectile and so does the game. You don't.Your argument of the game and you agree with it, is just stupid. How many broken skills before fixes could you defend with that logic.
I guess I should call your argument stupid now, just to keep the discussion going?
Siphoning shouldn't be considered a projectile.
and, Yes...this discussion.. is beaten to death.
But, yeah. we have 24 pages of discussion on nerfing RS.
Kill Well.
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Unstable core, ( my knowledge with templars is slim to none so please fill in / correct anything I mess up on). Targets one person, so can not be used to protect a given target, just remove one out of the fight (to a degree). The skill itself can be blocked or stopped by immovable, or can be broken out of. Reflects all magical harmful affects (so aoe's are reflected I believe).
Lets face it Reflective Scales is OP. Those that defend it use it and that is normal. However at least give Reflective Scales a percentage chance value on what will be reflected. If that is not the case then as an example take away all the percentage chance values for many of the Nightblade Skills and make them all 100% like Reflective Scales currently is. Lets be fair about this.