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Is there a dominant class in PvP?
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPA DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
Yes they tank in PvP, and just like PvE they do this so that you can be safe behind them while they soak up all the enemy damage and keep them away from you with snares and roots. Remove the DK as a front line tank and all those lethal arrows and snipes are all yours to enjoy. PvP will be one big pew pew stand off. We each have a role to play out there, remove any role and PvP changes.Edited by Armitas on November 19, 2014 2:39PMRetired.
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morvegil✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPDK's hands down.Lo'ke
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPOh man ... 113 votes for DK versus 6/6/4 for Temp/NB/Sorc. I wonder if ZOS has read this thread? I know forum polls are not scientific but that breakdown of votes is just too lopsided to not be definitive.
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SRIBES✭✭✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.Lawl at no one putting NB. A group of 5 dks cannot take on 30+, neither can a group of sorcs or templars, but a group of 5 nbs can easily tank 30+
But in all seriousness, Dks and NBs are about equal, templars not far behind, but sorcs are lacking, negates are incredibly strong and will win fights, but asides from that what else does a sorc have.
I really hope zos arent looking at this poll
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPA DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
...and 2/3+ of all that focus fire is usually reflected right back.
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Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPBest Tank, Tied for Best DPS in PVE, solo grinding monsters, best in PVP by a mile:
And my Templar can't get a viable caster DPS build because it would be overpowered. It's demented logic.
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✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPOh man ... 113 votes for DK versus 6/6/4 for Temp/NB/Sorc. I wonder if ZOS has read this thread? I know forum polls are not scientific but that breakdown of votes is just too lopsided to not be definitive.
The one and only thing that this poll shows is that people who complain about DKs on the forums still complain about DKs on the forums.
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eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
With reflective scales they don't need a class "ranged damager". Hell if they wanted to they could just cast reflective scale and snipe with a bow. Or pick up a destruction staff. They can pull an enemy to them or leap into a group of people. Their lack of range isn't that much of a hindrance.A DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
Yes they tank in PvP, and just like PvE they do this so that you can be safe behind them while they soak up all the enemy damage and keep them away from you with snares and roots. Remove the DK as a front line tank and all those lethal arrows and snipes are all yours to enjoy. PvP will be one big pew pew stand off. We each have a role to play out there, remove any role and PvP changes.
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPI think it is funny how quickly the tides turned for the Sorc. Just a month or two ago people were still arguing whether DK or Sorc were the most OP. It is true that there were two non-Sorc specific nerfs (fixes) that hurt Sorc the most; Annulment change and Sharpened weapon trait fix. The reality is, not much has changed for them and people are just finally getting over the anger of seeing someone escape their clutches. There is a reason the most effective Sorcs are the ones who run when presented with multiple targets.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Hypertionb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPA DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
Yes they tank in PvP, and just like PvE they do this so that you can be safe behind them while they soak up all the enemy damage and keep them away from you with snares and roots. Remove the DK as a front line tank and all those lethal arrows and snipes are all yours to enjoy. PvP will be one big pew pew stand off. We each have a role to play out there, remove any role and PvP changes.
so i guess the DK Archers who 100% dominiate ranged combat dont exist in your eyes..
lack of ranged in class does not = lack of ranged.... DK has best of all worlds with no weaknesses.
its pretty clear by the results of the poll so far, that DKs are around 10x more universally powerful in PVP than other classes.Edited by Hypertionb14_ESO on November 19, 2014 5:13PMI play every class in every situation. I love them all.7 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPeventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
With reflective scales they don't need a class "ranged damager". Hell if they wanted to they could just cast reflective scale and snipe with a bow. Or pick up a destruction staff. They can pull an enemy to them or leap into a group of people. Their lack of range isn't that much of a hindrance.A DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
Yes they tank in PvP, and just like PvE they do this so that you can be safe behind them while they soak up all the enemy damage and keep them away from you with snares and roots. Remove the DK as a front line tank and all those lethal arrows and snipes are all yours to enjoy. PvP will be one big pew pew stand off. We each have a role to play out there, remove any role and PvP changes.
I think reflective scales is there due to the fact that we have no range damagers. I think it was placed there as a purposeful balancer due to the lack of ranged damagers and forward gap closers. Unlike forward gap closers backward gap closers can be immune, blocked, reflected and in the case of ours unreliable by the last exploit fix. A backward gap closer can fail to be a gap closer whereas a forward gap closer cannot with the exception of CC; though CC can be removed.
Just as classes with range can become melee through the weapon system, those that are melee can become ranged with the weapon system. However in the later case they cannot carry over their class skills with them. That is an entire skill line removed from the table of options. Those who move from ranged to melee can still use their class damagers with their melee skills. A DK that moves from melee to range cannot.Edited by Armitas on November 19, 2014 5:17PMRetired.
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Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭Templar is the dominant class in PvP#templarOP
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvPDk's are powerful within 10 meters and mostly untouchable outside of 10 meters so it is difficult to engage them, being that you have to fight them where they are strongest.
You look at the design of the class and can see that it was meant to have a weakness to range, and to offset that they likely put reflective scales in place as a counter to DK's being agitated by range death.
This is why most Dk's are sword and board...they can close the gap. The shield blocking spam was a bonus that has been exploited. At 2300 stamina and 120 stamina recovery with stamina reduction on 2 jewelry pieces.... i run out of stamina hitting a blocking DK before he does. So i use heavy attacks to compensate but one block bash and you lose the attack and stamina. This exploitive block+lava whip has been going on for quite a long time and since the devs cant figure what to do, they ignore it.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
No ranged damager is needed because the weapon skill lines (which can be used by any class) already provides the ranged damagers.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
With reflective scales they don't need a class "ranged damager". Hell if they wanted to they could just cast reflective scale and snipe with a bow. Or pick up a destruction staff. They can pull an enemy to them or leap into a group of people. Their lack of range isn't that much of a hindrance.A DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
Yes they tank in PvP, and just like PvE they do this so that you can be safe behind them while they soak up all the enemy damage and keep them away from you with snares and roots. Remove the DK as a front line tank and all those lethal arrows and snipes are all yours to enjoy. PvP will be one big pew pew stand off. We each have a role to play out there, remove any role and PvP changes.
I think reflective scales is there due to the fact that we have no range damagers. I think it was placed there as a purposeful balancer due to the lack of ranged damagers and forward gap closers. Unlike forward gap closers backward gap closers can be immune, blocked, reflected and in the case of ours unreliable by the last exploit fix. A backward gap closer can fail to be a gap closer whereas a forward gap closer cannot with the exception of CC; though CC can be removed.
Just as classes with range can become melee through the weapon system, those that are melee can become ranged with the weapon system. However in the later case they cannot carry over their class skills with them. That is an entire skill line removed from the table of options. Those who move from ranged to melee can still use their class damagers with their melee skills. A DK that moves from melee to range cannot.
Moreover, unlike sorc or NB, DKs can actually heal while carrying a destro staff or bow.4 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPThose who move from ranged to melee can still use their class damagers with their melee skills. A DK that moves from melee to range cannot.
I'll trade you my class damagers (Crystal Frag, Vel Curse, Endless Fury) for Reflective Scale and Green Dragon Blood. Deal?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPHypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
lack of ranged in class does not = lack of ranged.... DK has best of all worlds with no weaknesses.
its pretty clear by the results of the poll so far, that DKs are around 10x more universally powerful in PVP than other classes.
That is why I have said they have no ranged "Class" abilities. No weakness? How about melee? A DK using a bow will not also be able to sustain a melee barrage while also blocking. If the only thing in your build is range pew pew then yes he has no weakness, but not innately, only because his opponents build is insufficient.
Edited by Armitas on November 19, 2014 5:22PMRetired.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvP
Sure I'll reflect crystal shards with defensive posture, and heal with my resto staff. Or maybe you could use defensive posture instead and reflect crystal frags right back at me which will go through my reflect while also popping curse and fury. Nah it's easier to nerf DK than change a build, and lets not forget that sorcs have their own ability to absorb spell projectiles for 6.5s.Edited by Armitas on November 19, 2014 5:57PMRetired.
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Pyatra✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
I want this deal too. You can even have Twilight Matriarch.3 -
eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
Yeah that's all dandy except they are incredibly difficult to take down in melee range. Compare the DK to a nightblade. It's no contest, they simply have so much more defense and way more effective heals. Even their AoE's are better.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
With reflective scales they don't need a class "ranged damager". Hell if they wanted to they could just cast reflective scale and snipe with a bow. Or pick up a destruction staff. They can pull an enemy to them or leap into a group of people. Their lack of range isn't that much of a hindrance.A DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
Yes they tank in PvP, and just like PvE they do this so that you can be safe behind them while they soak up all the enemy damage and keep them away from you with snares and roots. Remove the DK as a front line tank and all those lethal arrows and snipes are all yours to enjoy. PvP will be one big pew pew stand off. We each have a role to play out there, remove any role and PvP changes.
I think reflective scales is there due to the fact that we have no range damagers. I think it was placed there as a purposeful balancer due to the lack of ranged damagers and forward gap closers. Unlike forward gap closers backward gap closers can be immune, blocked, reflected and in the case of ours unreliable by the last exploit fix. A backward gap closer can fail to be a gap closer whereas a forward gap closer cannot with the exception of CC; though CC can be removed.
Just as classes with range can become melee through the weapon system, those that are melee can become ranged with the weapon system. However in the later case they cannot carry over their class skills with them. That is an entire skill line removed from the table of options. Those who move from ranged to melee can still use their class damagers with their melee skills. A DK that moves from melee to range cannot.
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvPHypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
lack of ranged in class does not = lack of ranged.... DK has best of all worlds with no weaknesses.
its pretty clear by the results of the poll so far, that DKs are around 10x more universally powerful in PVP than other classes.
That is why I have said they have no ranged "Class" abilities. No weakness? How about melee? A DK using a bow will not also be able to sustain a melee barrage while also blocking. If the only thing in your build is range pew pew then yes he has no weakness, but not innately, only because his opponents build is insufficient.
actually thats untrue. I can sustain heavy and all melee barrage from 10-12 players with my bow on, using Magma armor, fragmented shield, and dragonblood.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPThechemicals wrote: »Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
lack of ranged in class does not = lack of ranged.... DK has best of all worlds with no weaknesses.
its pretty clear by the results of the poll so far, that DKs are around 10x more universally powerful in PVP than other classes.
That is why I have said they have no ranged "Class" abilities. No weakness? How about melee? A DK using a bow will not also be able to sustain a melee barrage while also blocking. If the only thing in your build is range pew pew then yes he has no weakness, but not innately, only because his opponents build is insufficient.
actually thats untrue. I can sustain heavy and all melee barrage from 10-12 players with my bow on, using Magma armor, fragmented shield, and dragonblood.
yeah by using an ultimate that cuts the damage out almost entirely. If you are casting frag shield and dragon blood you are not attacking, you are buffing and healing. You can sustain it for a while but you are not a threat unless you attack. Eventually you will run out of magicka in a stamina build and be overtaken.I want this deal too. You can even have Twilight Matriarch.
No way that sucker takes 2 skill slots to use. I wouldn't even give you inferno for that, and I have no points in inferno.
And yet NBs kill DKs solo all the time. One NB even killed a sitting EMP DK Vampire several times in a 1v1. He goes 50/50 with that same DK when on his DK.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Yeah that's all dandy except they are incredibly difficult to take down in melee range. Compare the DK to a nightblade. It's no contest, they simply have so much more defense and way more effective heals. Even their AoE's are better.Edited by Armitas on November 19, 2014 5:41PMRetired.
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✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPDK is the best for every role but healing. This includes pve and pvp.
This short, first post on the thread said it all. Thread may as well end at its first reply.
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvPThechemicals wrote: »Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
lack of ranged in class does not = lack of ranged.... DK has best of all worlds with no weaknesses.
its pretty clear by the results of the poll so far, that DKs are around 10x more universally powerful in PVP than other classes.
That is why I have said they have no ranged "Class" abilities. No weakness? How about melee? A DK using a bow will not also be able to sustain a melee barrage while also blocking. If the only thing in your build is range pew pew then yes he has no weakness, but not innately, only because his opponents build is insufficient.
actually thats untrue. I can sustain heavy and all melee barrage from 10-12 players with my bow on, using Magma armor, fragmented shield, and dragonblood.
yeah by using an ultimate that cuts the damage out almost entirely. If you are casting frag shield and dragon blood you are not attacking, you are buffing and healing. You can sustain it for a while but you are not a threat unless you attack. Eventually you will run out of magicka in a stamina build and be overtaken.I want this deal too. You can even have Twilight Matriarch.
No way that sucker takes 2 skill slots to use. I wouldn't even give you inferno for that, and I have no points in inferno.
And yet NBs kill DKs solo all the time. One NB even killed a sitting EMP DK Vampire several times in a 1v1. He goes 50/50 with that same DK when on his DK.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Yeah that's all dandy except they are incredibly difficult to take down in melee range. Compare the DK to a nightblade. It's no contest, they simply have so much more defense and way more effective heals. Even their AoE's are better.
What? Frag shield is an attack. And magma cost less than 150 ultimate. Dragonblood is clippable. Mebe you dont know as much as you think you know.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Loneshard✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPAndropedia wrote: »So we are reducing the which class is op discussion to the which class has the lowest skill level of entry. We already had that in every other MMORPG in existance. While I would agree that DK is the strongest of the classes because it is really versatile and is the natural pick in pvp, other classes can be dominant too.
*Well templar I have seen strong performance, but lets asume they have the highest level of skill entry to perform well.
Imho the problem we are facing is, that its way to easy to dominate in the "mid tier" (whatever this is supposed to be) of pvp with a dragon knight and the fact that you could teach a monkey do perform mediocre with a dragon knight.
lol but you vote for sorcerer?
Whoever votes for sorcerer in this is on the skooma....
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grimsfield✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPLooking at the poll, it's pretty clear what the answer is. There's really no point in trying to argue against it because the answer is staring us all in the face. That said, a good player can beat any class, it's just a lot easier to do that as a DK.3
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvPDk is the best because he can sustain the most damage and Cyrodiil has a lot of damage. I think 1v1(which isnt official) is best for sorc+ they are really good in cyrodiil so ovverall id say sorc.Edited by Thechemicals on November 19, 2014 7:25PMVr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPThechemicals wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »
lack of ranged in class does not = lack of ranged.... DK has best of all worlds with no weaknesses.
its pretty clear by the results of the poll so far, that DKs are around 10x more universally powerful in PVP than other classes.
That is why I have said they have no ranged "Class" abilities. No weakness? How about melee? A DK using a bow will not also be able to sustain a melee barrage while also blocking. If the only thing in your build is range pew pew then yes he has no weakness, but not innately, only because his opponents build is insufficient.
actually thats untrue. I can sustain heavy and all melee barrage from 10-12 players with my bow on, using Magma armor, fragmented shield, and dragonblood.
yeah by using an ultimate that cuts the damage out almost entirely. If you are casting frag shield and dragon blood you are not attacking, you are buffing and healing. You can sustain it for a while but you are not a threat unless you attack. Eventually you will run out of magicka in a stamina build and be overtaken.I want this deal too. You can even have Twilight Matriarch.
No way that sucker takes 2 skill slots to use. I wouldn't even give you inferno for that, and I have no points in inferno.
And yet NBs kill DKs solo all the time. One NB even killed a sitting EMP DK Vampire several times in a 1v1. He goes 50/50 with that same DK when on his DK.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Yeah that's all dandy except they are incredibly difficult to take down in melee range. Compare the DK to a nightblade. It's no contest, they simply have so much more defense and way more effective heals. Even their AoE's are better.
What? Frag shield is an attack. And magma cost less than 150 ultimate. Dragonblood is clippable. Mebe you dont know as much as you think you know.
Frag shield comes with less of a shield and does next to no damage for the high cost. Frag shield is not a threat in a magicka build let alone a stamina build. Magma shield is still an ultimate and it's 200. Animations are clippable, you don't cast any faster.Edited by Armitas on November 19, 2014 7:56PMRetired.
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naturn✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPSorc is op? ROFL What drugs are being dispensed in your neighborhood? lol
Sorcs are vanishing into the masses of dks. Look at the number of DKs in the game now. Sorcs are range fighters. With bow so powerful and stam builds coming in with nerfs to magic, you may have to label sorcs endangered species and have special zones of protection for them before they become extinct.
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morvegil✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPA DK has no class ranged damagers. All of it's class damage is at melee range. That puts them in the thick of the fight with all the focus fire on them if they want to kill something using any of their class skills.
Yes they tank in PvP, and just like PvE they do this so that you can be safe behind them while they soak up all the enemy damage and keep them away from you with snares and roots. Remove the DK as a front line tank and all those lethal arrows and snipes are all yours to enjoy. PvP will be one big pew pew stand off. We each have a role to play out there, remove any role and PvP changes.
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